Jenfidel on April 1, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I don’t think you should expect anything but condescension from Rusty Bill.

If you would like to see a good debate between an Athiest and a Christian check out this Barker vs. Wilson debate.

“Don’t bother me” does not equate with “eradicate”. It is unfortunate that you do not – or will not – understand that.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Yes, it does.
Your people have been satisfied with nothing less than eradication of almost all of the Judeo-Christian symbols and institutions the majority of the population, who are Jews and Christians, hold dear.
These things weren’t bothering you in the least, but to make a big case of it and to get rid of them, you atheists lied and said that they were, bringing numerous lawsuits to have them eradicated.
Madeleine Murray O’Hare and Michael Newdow have a special room in Hell for doing just this.

Quoting your so-called “holy book” at me does not advance your argument, since I do not accept it’s alleged authority. Try using verifiable facts; it’s much more effective.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Nice non-response. I gave you examples of use of reason which you simply ignore but return with insults. Typical atheism pretending to be above rhetoric when rhetoric is all its got.

I gave you verifiable facts. Quotes from my authority saying that it uses reason to disprove your claim that religion is purely irrational.

So far I’ve heard not reason from you but pure rhetoric.

Conclusion: Projection. You have succesfully demonstrated the blind faith of your beliefs without using reason.

Yes. Wake up, indeed.

“But mine has laserbeams for eyes”….”well mine can condemn you to an eternity of pain and suffering for even talking about laserbeams”

Pffft. One day the human race will wake up to the fact we are far better off without any religions and the shit that gets carried out under religious guises.

Chook.

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Deuteronomy 18:22
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John 5:35-37
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Acts 17:2-4
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shick on March 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Quoting your so-called “holy book” at me does not advance your argument, since I do not accept it’s alleged authority. Try using verifiable facts; it’s much more effective.

“Jenfidel” has apparently been able to avoid knowledge of, or deny the existence of, “blue laws”, the entire gay/straight debate, prayer in schools, the insertion (in the 1950s) of a religious reference into the Pledge of Allegiance, and innumerable other instances of attempts (some successful) by religionists to impose their beliefs on others.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Virtually all of which have been overturned or changed

Which will come as a surprise to those who are still enforcing them. And to those who are still trying to codify their irrational beliefs into law (did you even bother to check out my original link?).

to have the non-beliefs of the atheist minority forced upon the population which is Christian and Jewish by majority.

I see. Not wanting to be subjected to your endless prosletyzing is forcing non-belief on you. What part of “leave me alone” do you not understand?

In addition, there have been numerous attempts, many of them successful, to remove the benign influence of the Judeo-Christian faith and to impose a stark, unforgiving godless character to American life by forbidding the celebration or mention of Christmas, the presence of the 10 Commandments, the appearance of “In God we Trust” on the money–which is the national motto, and the saying of prayer before public events, to name just a few.

You can believe and pray all you want to. Just don’t do it on my time and my dime. Prayers at public events, particularly government-sponsored events (like legislative sessions), are on my time and my dime. Religious displays on public property are supported by my dime.

This nation was founded by Christians on Judeo-Christian principles, but in the last 30-50 years, the atheists, marching in lockstep, have tried to eradicate as much of our seminal Christian faith in this country as much as possible, so don’t lecture me about blue laws!

Jenfidel on March 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM

“Don’t bother me” does not equate with “eradicate”. It is unfortunate that you do not – or will not – understand that.

Your children will be atheists.

Ah, the historical-numerical narrative. So important to atheists–until you challenge them on how accurate it’s been every generation since Voltaire.

Neither you nor I know what my children are going to be. I don’t think my son will be, because I’m doing a pretty good job of enlightening him to disingenuous behind a lot of atheist rhetoric.

That said, here’s something funny: COE has gay priests and marries gays. COE is quite positively disposed to socialism, globalism, liberalism. The Anglican church over here is packed with liberals. And they feel the need to break with the Church officially, and the reporter puts it as to “challenge” privileged position of a church that has made every possible concession it can make to the modern world.

So if you can put atheist dogmatism aside, this is the church that is least “medieval” and most “modern”. But purists cannot countenance a break from the pure unadulterated full-explanation that they think they have when they no longer have to explain God.

The church is not resisted because it “holds back humanity” but because it represents something that has a different status from other things.

I don’t believe in Christianity anymore, or the Christian faith. I don’t believe in the Judeo-Christian God either… so obviously I need to do something to reverse an action done years earlier that I now consider useless.

Much like when a Wiccan (another religion I don’t believe in) cursed me, I … well actually I did nothing. A ritual performed in a religion I believe to be false has no meaning to me.

Except a Christian one is really really real and must be reversed to be countered. Because God is real… wait, no… not real but the ritual is meaningful. Um…

Wow, I’m going to need much much better drugs before I understand the point here. I mean the kind of drug use that makes Scientology sound plausible.

:sigh: debunked
http://bostonreview.net/BR21.6/orr.html
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/02/darwin/quammen-text

bentman78 on March 31, 2009 at 6:59 AM

Sigh: Ignorant person who can’t understand what is written.

The cell wall had no reason to develop. NONE. The cellular motor cannot be defended except by the rantings of certain scientists whose only defense is that the person who debunked the evolution meme is a kook. The theory of evolution, as explained by these so-called “scientists” cannot explain how the cell wall or the cellular motor developed. As a matter of fact, the existence of the cell wall and the cellular motor directly contradicts the insane rantings of Darwin and his brainwashed ilk.

“Jenfidel” has apparently been able to avoid knowledge of, or deny the existence of, “blue laws”, the entire gay/straight debate, prayer in schools, the insertion (in the 1950s) of a religious reference into the Pledge of Allegiance, and innumerable other instances of attempts (some successful) by religionists to impose their beliefs on others.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Virtually all of which have been overturned or changed to have the non-beliefs of the atheist minority forced upon the population which is Christian and Jewish by majority.
In addition, there have been numerous attempts, many of them successful, to remove the benign influence of the Judeo-Christian faith and to impose a stark, unforgiving godless character to American life by forbidding the celebration or mention of Christmas, the presence of the 10 Commandments, the appearance of “In God we Trust” on the money–which is the national motto, and the saying of prayer before public events, to name just a few.
This nation was founded by Christians on Judeo-Christian principles, but in the last 30-50 years, the atheists, marching in lockstep, have tried to eradicate as much of our seminal Christian faith in this country as much as possible, so don’t lecture me about blue laws!
We are the lesser nation for it.
Britain, with these absurd “de-baptisms,” is already well on its way to perdition as a great nation/kingdom.

I don’t believe in Atheists.

Is there a name for that?

petunia on March 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

God doesn’t either. That’s why entagor (on March 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM) is very wrong.

The entire concept of religion is, by definition, irrational, since it does not require proof of it’s claims.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Here’s a definition of rational and reason. Neither say anything about proof. So your argument is wrong on that level.

It is also wrong because it is nothing but a strawman. A simple definition of religion does not mention a blindness to reason or what’s rational. In fact it relies heavily on reason to understand that which is unknown. Science and religion both use reason whether you like it or not.

Christianity does require proof. Here are just a few examples

1)when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. – Deuteronomy 18:22

The whole point of prophecy is to demonstrate that God controls and knows time. A true prophet will be demonstrated to be so by if the prophecy comes true.

2. He was a burning and shining lamp, and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light. But the testimony that I have is greater than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, – John 5:35-37

Jesus said not to look only upon what he says but that his miracles should show that he is the Christ.

3.And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women. – Acts 17:2-4

The apostle Paul encourage the Bereans to consider that everything that the scripture said about the Christ came true through Jesus.

Is there a name for that?

SO what’s next? Jewish boys are going to de-circumcise themselves?

brotherbell on March 31, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I linked to this yesterday.

Just wait until the Motu Proprio Revolution fully takes hold. It has already started. For Vatican II Novus Ordo Catholics, please have a look at Rev Fr Kloster’s short videos discussing the Latin Mass. Rev Fr Kloster is representative of the young, conservative crop of priests that are heading into the pulpits. Fr Kloster is a hardliner, and have actually replaced his name with Senator Thompson’s fun facts from Frank J. Actually, I’ll just repost.

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* Every night before going to sleep, Osama bin Laden checks under his bed for Reverand Father Donald Kloster.

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster’s gaze can kill small animals.

* The actual cause of global warming: Reverand Father Donald Kloster’s burning rage.

* Only two things can kill Superman: Kryptonite and Reverand Father Donald Kloster.

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster once stood on our south border and glared at Mexico. There was no illegal immigration for a month.

* Scientists predict that when Reverand Father Donald Kloster dies he’ll explode taking out the five nearest planets before collapsing into a black hole.

* If you purchase a weather radio, it will wake you up with an alarm to warn you when Reverand Father Donald Kloster is pissed off.

* An abortion doctor tried to kill Reverand Father Donald Kloster when he was still in the womb, but he cut off the man’s hand with scalpel while shouting, “Do you know who I am? I’m Reverand Father Donald Kloster!”

* Webster’s Dictionary defines “conservatism” as “how closely one’s views resemble those of Reverand Father Donald Kloster.”

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster’s sense of strategy is so great that he can checkmate you using only a pawn and a knight.

* The most efficient airline security is to have Reverand Father Donald Kloster stare down everyone entering a plane.

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster can open clamshell packaging without the slightest trouble.

* Why does Iran want nuclear weapons? Out of fear of Reverand Father Donald Kloster.

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* Originally posted here in lieu of Fred Thompson, but Father Kloster fits these far more than the good Sen. Thompson.

Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants.

Interesting concept. You want to disbelieve here but hey just in case your wrong you wouldn’t mind getting a pass. I like that idea, and since I’ve enjoyed sin too much to be religious I really like that idea. Last time I checked though, it was God who made those decisions and not Catholics.