100,000 Brits download certificates of “de-baptism”

posted at 8:22 pm on March 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

The revolution cometh. We haven’t had a good religious food fight in the comments lately, so consider this your opportunity. Just to spice things up, a quote from Archbishop Chaput

I wrote my book,” Render Unto Caesar” to answer the question we’re talking about today: What are the political obligations of Catholics? My answer is very simple: The political duty of Catholics is to be Catholic first — to know their faith and to think and act like faithful Catholics all the time. That includes their life in the public square, which means it also includes an obligation to promote policies and candidates that reflect the natural law, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the social and moral teachings of his church.

…followed by the results of a Gallup poll taken over the last three years showing that Catholics are no more inclined to oppose abortion or embryonic stem-cell research than non-Catholics. In fairness, Catholics who attend church regularly differ widely from Catholics who don’t (i.e. “cultural Catholics,” which I was for a long time), but even among the regulars the Pope’s counsel on certain hot-button topics is ignored: 53 percent think premarital sex and embryonic stem-cell research are morally acceptable, and 52 percent think the death penalty is. Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants. A toast to those who don’t take their religion seriously!


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So what? 1.2 million people downloaded the free demo of Frogger on Xbox Live.

ScottMcC on March 30, 2009 at 8:25 PM

And I await Nancy Pelosi’s move.

Should we download it for her and send to her via mail?

iamse7en on March 30, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants. A toast to those who don’t take their religion seriously!

Twits.

See, Allah? You’re not going anywhere; no high buildings, no sharp Japanese utensils.

And I do believe an atheist/Christian flame-war provoking post merits a drink!

Frozen Tex on March 30, 2009 at 8:27 PM

And I do believe an atheist/Christian flame-war provoking post merits a drink!

Your children will be atheists.

Allahpundit on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

You can’t be de-baptized. It’s like asking to go back and reject your birth – God gives you a free gift (whether asked for through the faith of your parents or yourself). You can say you were sorry you were born, or (God forbid) kill yourself, but you cannot undo the fact that you were born. Or born a second time. So you can reject the gift of grace later in life but you can’t be de-baptized.

And just pre-emptively before the anti-Catholics and/or anti-infant baptism people come out, here’s trivia question # 1 for you: how many “whole households” (including children, mind you) were baptized after the head of the household proclaimed faith in Jesus?

And as significantly, trivia question # 2: how many times in Scripture did Jesus grant healing or life to children based solely on the faith and request of their parents?

inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Here we go again.

maynila on March 30, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Your children will be atheists.

Allahpundit on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Keep up the Allah-type posts and I’ll be too drunk to care.

Frozen Tex on March 30, 2009 at 8:31 PM

how many “whole households” in the book of Acts,

that should be…

inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 8:31 PM

(i.e. “cultural Catholics,” which I was for a long time)

Who knew?!

Also:

We haven’t had a good religious food fight in the comments lately

Is that where lately is today? ;-)

VeniVidiVidic on March 30, 2009 at 8:32 PM

No, not gonna do it….

d1carter on March 30, 2009 at 8:33 PM

I’m hoping most of them were Muslims.

profitsbeard on March 30, 2009 at 8:33 PM

I’m hoping most of them were Muslims.

profitsbeard on March 30, 2009 at 8:33 PM

That’s a nice thought, but I don’t think they use Baptism.

Frozen Tex on March 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM

It is interesting to see Europe continue to turn away from Christianity, while at the same time continuing to submit more and more to Islam and authoritarianism (of the maternal sort).

I think the two trends are directly related of course, but I’m sure your average Euro would perhaps not be so favorable to the trend if he could step back a bit and see it from a longer perspective.

18-1 on March 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Goody gravy. If some foolish Brits want to repudiate Christ, they’re free to do so. God will honor that choice in the hereafter by separating them from His presence forever.

Pretty sad, but not at all surprising.

OhioCoastie on March 30, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Hahahaha…as you said AP, traffic is down a bit today, eh?

AUINSC on March 30, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Wait wait wait, people who feel so strongly about being un or non religious that they need to download a de-baptizer? Sounds like a fairly strong religious conviction to me.

Why not just say that you are forsaking belief in God and call it a day?

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Your children will be atheists.

Allahpundit on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Perhaps, but if they are they will be national socialists too, so I would not suggest giving in to the “forces of history”

18-1 on March 30, 2009 at 8:38 PM

There is a consequence to every action. They’ll each have to face their consequences by themselves.

kingsjester on March 30, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Besides, those who believe in God are are anti-science morons while those who believe in evolution are heretical lizard chasers.

Discuss.

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM

And just pre-emptively before the anti-Catholics and/or anti-infant baptism people come out, here’s trivia question # 1 for you: how many “whole households” (including children, mind you) were baptized after the head of the household proclaimed faith in Jesus?

Children included in “whole households” is just an assumption. It would be nice if the Bible documented a baby getting baptized, but it didn’t.

…and nice and early in the thread here…..disagreeing with someone is not being “anti”.

I mean just because I disagree with Allah about God doesn’t mean I’m “anti-Allah” so leave the victimhood at the door and have an intelligent conversation.

jjjen on March 30, 2009 at 8:40 PM

And just pre-emptively before the anti-Catholics and/or anti-infant baptism people come out, here’s trivia question # 1 for you: how many “whole households” (including children, mind you) were baptized after the head of the household proclaimed faith in Jesus?

And as significantly, trivia question # 2: how many times in Scripture did Jesus grant healing or life to children based solely on the faith and request of their parents?

inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 8:30 PM

When did the idea of infant baptism start? Not in the bible.
When is it a guarantee that a healed person is saved? Not in the bible.
When did sprinkling and pouring start? Not in the bible.
But keep reading the bible and don’t let your cathechisms give you your biases. Just read it for your edification.
Now before anybody accuses me of Catholic bashing, stop and think, was Jesus a Jew-basher for telling it as it is?

maynila on March 30, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Besides, those who believe in God are are anti-science morons while those who believe in evolution are heretical lizard chasers.

Discuss.
Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Surely a blatant attempt at pot-stirring up comments, and one with which I refuse to co-oper—-

Oops.

inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Ooh, a religious fight! I can’t wait to mix it up! I have a comment that will utterly devastate the opposition! Are you ready for it?

Here it comes…

This is gonna hurt so bad…

And the comment is…

So what?

malclave on March 30, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Keep up the Allah-type posts and I’ll be too drunk to care.

Frozen Tex on March 30, 2009 at 8:31 PM

lolololololololol

blatantblue on March 30, 2009 at 8:46 PM

The American people by majority have elected the first “American Idol” president. So, apparently, snything goes.

Travis1 on March 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Anything goes

Travis1 on March 30, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I think this is awesome – this way – when the Islamofascists take over Britain and start the beheadings – Britains can easily convert to Islam without a feeling of betrayal towards Christianity.

Obama’s … er … Osama’s plan comes together!

HondaV65 on March 30, 2009 at 8:48 PM

A toast to those who don’t take their religion seriously!

You know, you don’t have to think everybody is going to hell in order to take your religion seriously.

They think non-believers can get to heaven, but it’s just much harder for them. As evidence, look for example at the sizable gap in charitable giving between believers and non-believers; belief in God makes ethical living easier.

sandberg on March 30, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Just further proof that there’s no England anymore.

carbon_footprint on March 30, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Hey Allah, you’re wrong. Its not a revolution. This is just the continuing surrender of England to the invading muslim hordes that have infested the country.

This is the result of 50 years of liberalism. Winston Churchill is in heaven wondering “why did I bother?”

AOTH

Agent of the Cross on March 30, 2009 at 8:52 PM

This is just not fair. Jewish men can’t get a certificate of de-circumcision…can they?

Oldnuke on March 30, 2009 at 8:53 PM

When did the idea of infant baptism start? Not in the bible.
When is it a guarantee that a healed person is saved? Not in the bible.
When did sprinkling and pouring start? Not in the bible.
But keep reading the bible and don’t let your cathechisms give you your biases. Just read it for your edification.
Now before anybody accuses me of Catholic bashing, stop and think, was Jesus a Jew-basher for telling it as it is?

maynila on March 30, 2009 at 8:40 PM

1. Never said a healed person is saved. Just pointing out that scripturally, Jesus gives gifts to children sometimes based on their parents’ faith. Entirely consistent with Scripture.

2. Whole households are baptized several times in the book of Acts, based on the faith of the head of the household. (consistent with how circumcision brought infants into the family of God’s chosen people before they could as adults convert to Judaism. Jesus did say “he who believes and is baptized” will be saved (Mark 16:16–IOW both are required–those baptized as infants who later reject faith will not be saved).

3. I haven’t quoted a catechism once. Respectfully, you haven’t answered my entirely scriptural questions.

inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Small wonder that the Islamists are taking over the UK

ToddonCapeCod on March 30, 2009 at 8:54 PM

reject faith will not be saved).

should be

reject faith with vincible ignorance will not be saved.

inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 8:56 PM

The loss of Christianity and Christian principles in Europe will be it’s downfall. And it will be the downfall of America as well. Atheism is not good for a society (just ask all the communist nations). Also in America, per our founders setting up the Constitution, we have rights AS ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR. Without a Creator, there are no rights. That’s the problem with turning away from God, without Him, we only have rights, as given by the government? We can all see how that is turning out.

Trtle2001 on March 30, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Oh, Allah… why do you do this to us?

AbaddonsReign on March 30, 2009 at 8:58 PM

…which means it also includes an obligation to promote policies and candidates that reflect the natural law, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the social and moral teachings of his church.

Unless somebody starts a Catholic Party, there’s no candidate who could possibly satisfy these requirements.

RightOFLeft on March 30, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I wonder how many said in their heart while signing the form…”take that GOD, I hope your sorry now!!!1!”.

As I always say, Atheists only protest and rail against the goofy renditions of the unknowable made by mere humans. They are right about the antiquated ritual and intrusive social/political manipulation.

I know only this about the deity. He loves black humor and irony. Probably writes mystery stories in quiet moments.

BL@KBIRD on March 30, 2009 at 9:02 PM

The atheists and post-Christians aren’t having children. The children are all Christians and Muslims. You guys took yourselves out of the game, but as for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord.

boko fittleworth on March 30, 2009 at 9:03 PM

I’m about ready to call b/s on this thing. It’s not free, you have to buy it. It costs 3 pounds! The site says over 100,000 downloads but looks to me like you order it and they ship it to you. 100,000 people paid almost $5 for one…Gimmee a break.

Oldnuke on March 30, 2009 at 9:06 PM

If this is true, then why do atheist swear to god?

Kini on March 30, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Check this out O Creator of Worlds.
From my homeslice Pascal Boyer, the world’s pre-eminent cognitive anthropologist.
Is this worse than the “vulgar” evo pysch that those substrate-challenged tools at TAS recently sneered at?
I think so.
;)

Functional Origins of Religious Concepts:

Ontological and Strategic Selection in Evolved Minds †

Pascal Boyer

What is the origin of religious concepts? How come we can find concepts of supernatural agency more or less the world over, with important recurrent features? This lecture is a ‘progress report’, an account of how these previously intractable questions are now a matter of empirical, indeed experimental inquiry. What brought about this remarkable change is substantial progress in our understanding of how human minds work. This allows a naturalistic account of cultural representations that describes how evolved conceptual dispositions make humans likely to acquire certain concepts more easily than others. The aggregated result of these individual acquisition processes channels cultures along particular paths, with the result that some concepts are both relatively stable within a group and recurrent among different groups.

Cultural transmission, like other forms of human communication, does not consist in a ‘downloading’ of concepts from one mind to another. It requires inferential processes, whereby people attend to cues in other people’s behaviour, infer their communicative intentions, build concepts on this basis of what they inferred (Tomasello, Kruger, & Ratner, 1993; Sperber, 1996). As a result, cultural transmission is a process whereby people constantly create variants of other people’s representations. Concepts that are stable in one group and recurrent between groups are concepts that were selected in the transmission process, against a whole variety of variants that were forgotten, discarded and modified.

Obviously, many different factors contribute to stability and recurrence, even if we factor out local conditions. Here I describe two selection factors that result from the way human minds acquire and store information. Both reduce the space of possible cultural concepts to a narrow range of ‘culturally fit’ ones.

A first selection stems from the fact that human minds are equipped with a particular ontology, a set of intuitive expectations about the kinds of things to be found in the world. Among the indefinitely many concepts individuals can imagine and combine, some connect with this ontology in a particular way I describe below. As a result, they stand better chances than other concepts of being successfully transmitted. The outcome of this conceptual selection is a short ‘catalogue’ of supernatural notions, among which religious concepts but also culturally viable folklore, superstition, fiction and fantasy.

strangelet on March 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM

All Your Atheist Are Belong To Us

Kini on March 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Now before anybody accuses me of Catholic bashing, stop and think, was Jesus a Jew-basher for telling it as it is?

maynila

Comparing yourself to Christ? I don’t know you but it’s a safe guess you don’t measure up.

SKYFOX on March 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Well,I thank GOD,that I was baptized in St.Lukes
Church,years ago!

A baptismal re-do!

Whats next for England!!

canopfor on March 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Oldnuke 906

Yeah but it comes with a 30% off coupon for a “savory” chocolate cake from a Muslim bakery.

BL@KBIRD on March 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Hey AP,

If you are right and we Christians are wrong, what happens when we die? Nada.

However, if we are right and you are wrong, then what? :)

cryptojunkie on March 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Trtle2001 on March 30, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Will be? That’s already a work in progress.

GoV.com

DerKrieger on March 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Religion in Britain is different. For a start, we have a state religion (the Church of England), not a separation of church and state like you do. And there are unelected peers (bishops, rabbis etc etc) who sit in the House of Lords, which can’t make laws but can delay and scotch bills they don’t like. And, thanks to some Victorian asshole, we have compulsory school prayer in state, as well as religious, schools; every morning schoolchildren have a vaguely spiritual (in practice Christian) service at which they have to pray and sing hymns, whether they believe or not. We also have state-funded Muslim schools, where they are taught to not play chess, listen to music or go to gym class, some 60 percent of these schools have been found to have links to “extremist” i.e just plain old Islamic groups.
Add to this a wittering bearded tw*at in the form of the Archbishop of Canterbury, and (rarely enforced) blasphemy laws still on the statute books — another point of contention with our beloved Muslims, who want them extended — and you might be able to understand why some people feel strongly enough to want to dissociate themselves from all this. Especially if its been shoved down their throats since childhood.

Fortunata on March 30, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Once I pinkslipped god.

strangelet on March 30, 2009 at 9:12 PM

CryptoJunkie
My mother-in-law asked me a similar question when I informed her that I was leaving Christianity to return to Judaism.
Obviously I’m no atheist. My answer to her was: I’ll risk it to stay true to my convictions

annoyinglittletwerp on March 30, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Children included in “whole households” is just an assumption.

jjjen on March 30, 2009 at 8:40 PM

No it isn’t.

Darth Executor on March 30, 2009 at 9:13 PM

I wonder if they will be offering un-birth certificates too. Would be just as effective. It’s not the certificate that makes you baptised.

AP, I don’t buy that you are really an atheist. A fool has said in his heart there is no God, and you are no fool. You know God exists, you just don’t like him much, and that’s harder to admit.

swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Well, thank God then. Heaven won’t be so crowded.

HornetSting on March 30, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Where is the post for those who do not wish to be Muslims anymore………..?

A toast to those who don’t take their religion blogging seriously!

……. fixed it for ‘ya!

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2009 at 9:15 PM

If this is true,then why do atheist swear to god!

Kini on Mar 30,2009 at 9:07PM.

Kini: Were you thinking along the lines of,
O..O..O..O..yes,yes,O GAWD!!ahem!!haha:)

canopfor on March 30, 2009 at 9:18 PM

This is just not fair. Jewish men can’t get a certificate of de-circumcision…can they?

Oldnuke on March 30, 2009 at 8:53 PM

You can, but it chaffes.

myrenovations on March 30, 2009 at 9:23 PM

swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM

I don’t think that’s how it goes. I think its more Atheists haven’t found what they are looking for dood…Everyone needs to find what fits their heart to find God, that’s sorta what the new covenant is all about…

angelwing34215 on March 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM

This is just really sad.

DJ Rick on March 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Surely a blatant attempt at pot-stirring up comments, and one with which I refuse to co-oper—-
Oops.
inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Dear God, I would never do such a thi…did I say God? I mean Dear Gaia..I mean…oh shiit.

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Those responsible for this, The National Secular Society, are nothing but a bunch of trouble making commie agitators and Christian bigots. In the days of King David they would have been tossed out the gate and forbidden to return. Since that could no long be done lawfully, the English Christians should organize a massive prayer vigil in front of the National Secular Society office, if they have an office.

Maxx on March 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM

A toast to those who don’t take their religion seriously!

One could go in so many directions with this one. Such as:

“A toast to those who don’t take their faith seriously.”

or

“A toast to those who don’t take their convictions seriously.”

Yes, all different, but yet similar.

We could also have

“A toast to those who don’t take their atheism too seriously.” I think we call those individuals “leaning agnostics.”

Upstater85 on March 30, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Jewish men can’t get a certificate of de-circumcision…can they?

If they get one, then change their minds, do they have to be re-circumcised? Ooooo that’s gotta hurt.

swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:27 PM

I miss the good old Roman empire.

Fortunata on March 30, 2009 at 9:28 PM

I liked what Allah said before….

Your children will be atheists.

But only the smart ones.
lol

strangelet on March 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM

@ Upstater85 on March 30, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Except none of those make sense. How can one take their lack of belief in something seriously or unseriously? What does faith have to do with atheism? What do convictions have to do with atheism. Atheism is a lack of a belief in a God. I know you think its more, but its not.

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Everyone needs to find what fits their heart to find God, that’s sorta what the new covenant is all about…

angelwing34215 on March 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM

I think we actually agree, but I am perhaps less eloquent. If God doesn’t fit your heart, perhaps the problem is not God, perhaps it’s your heart.

swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:37 PM

O..O..O..O..yes,yes,O GAWD!!ahem!!haha:)

canopfor on March 30, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Yes, and on the opposite of that spectrum.

:)

Kini on March 30, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Stupid. In the words of Sam Harris, people don’t need to get together or do anything else special to remind themselves that they are not astrologers.

If you’re a rational person who doesn’t believe in iron age superstitions, simply demand a rational discussion of every public issue, ridiculing those willing to hide behind the “this is my faith” argument. That’s more than sufficient.

radiofreevillage on March 30, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Fine with me. They can burn in eternal damnation if they really want to. Who gives a flip?

ErinF on March 30, 2009 at 9:42 PM

@ swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Or that you are scared of the unknown and attempt to use a magical being to comfort yourself. Death is a scary thing to people, no wonder that a story of a life after death would catch on.

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Here’s where Mr.Lefty Lemming accidentally bumps headlong into Mr.Righty Lemming. The collision causes massive hemorrhaging and they both die, neither going to heaven or hell. Instead they float unaware in the abyss until their energy is either recycled or they simply fade away.

So there.

Spiritk9 on March 30, 2009 at 9:43 PM

And isn’t Britain getting overrun with muslims? Bet they’re LOVIN THIS, as it makes their cause easier to acquire.

ErinF on March 30, 2009 at 9:43 PM

@ ErinF on March 30, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Kinda sucks that astronomy has proved that there is no magical cloud kingdom up in the sky doesn’t it? I can’t wait for my eternal damnation. Satan has gotta be chill with those who deny God.

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Looks like only a few are coming out to play on this attempt at traffic on a slow day. Swing and miss.

Valiant on March 30, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Fine with me. They can burn in eternal damnation if they really want to. Who gives a flip?

ErinF on March 30, 2009 at 9:42 PM

God sure does. Not even a little prayer for them? (Yes, I do pray for those who have lost their faith, all the time…)

Two words for ya, twice:

99 sheep

and

10 coins

inviolet on March 30, 2009 at 9:48 PM

The muslims are so far out of whack that they can’t even keep track of their own religious hypocrisies and conundrums any longer.

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 9:50 PM

thphilli,
Astronomy hasn’t proven anything yet. Nothing like that could be proven or disproven until we can see it all. We can’t, at least not yet. You’ll have to wait on that one.

The best we can see is the earliest second light. Before that there was darkness, before that light, and before that darkness again. We can’t see to the ‘center’ or point of origination even with the biggest telescope in the universe because of that small inconvenience.

Spiritk9 on March 30, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Satan’s Servants are sure busy!

canopfor on March 30, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Your children will be atheists after their teachers, peers, and self-proclaimed role models brainwash them of everything you tried to teach .

Allahpundit on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Fixed it for you.

Dark-Star on March 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Nope. That’s the point. No fear. And I don’t accept your premise. Prove to me that God does not exist.

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. Albert Einstein

swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM

all I heard was “blah blah blah”…sorta like Obama’s address to the nation

jediwebdude on March 30, 2009 at 9:53 PM

@ Spiritk9 on March 30, 2009 at 9:50 PM

No science can disprove anything in the Bible, because as soon as science proves the bible retarded, you guys stop believing in that part. Evolution has proven genesis moronic, so genesis is no longer followed. Astronomy has shown that there is not some heavenly cloud village just outside of earth, so now you say we have to search every inch of space before it can be proven false. We will find life eventually on another planet, and then christians will have some reason that “God” created life there, even though its NO WHERE in the bible. Eventually the bible will be so chipped away at that only complete zealots will still believe, but there will always be believers no matter how ridiculous it becomes.

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Fine with me. They can burn in eternal damnation if they really want to. Who gives a flip?

ErinF on March 30, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Only those who are concerned about the fate of their souls and don’t wish to have them be the recipients of an eternal Darwin Award.

Dark-Star on March 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Really? I was unaware that humanity had produced a device which can scan the entire universe?

Then again we are unable to see quarks either, yet people claims they are there.

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM

2 Peter
2:1

But false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. These false teachers will infiltrate your midst with destructive heresies, even to the point of denying the Master who bought them. As a result, they will bring swift destruction on themselves. And many will follow their debauched lifestyles. Because of these false teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation pronounced long ago is not sitting idly by; their destruction is not asleep.

2:17

These men are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm, for whom the utter depths of darkness have been reserved. For by speaking high-sounding but empty words they are able to entice, with fleshly desires and with debauchery, people who have just escaped from those who reside in error. Although these false teachers promise such people freedom, they themselves are enslaved to immorality. For whatever a person succumbs to, to that he is enslaved.

For if after they have escaped the filthy things of the world through the rich knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they again get entangled in them and succumb to them, their last state has become worse for them than their first.

For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than, having known it, to turn back from the holy commandment that had been delivered to them. They are illustrations of this true proverb “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and “A sow, after washing herself, wallows in the mire.”

VinceP1974 on March 30, 2009 at 9:55 PM

100,000 Brits download certificates of “de-baptism”

Are they trying to piss God off or what?

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 9:56 PM

swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Hoooo….that might just get the comments really flowing; AP lives for this sort of debate (props up the hit numbers).

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM

@ swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Impossible to prove a negative. Give me one scientific spec of proof that he does exist. There is none. There is conjecture, miracle nonsense and not much else. Your holy book has parts in it which are known to be false, yet it is still the word of “God”. Even your most adamant followers still don’t follow the entire book. Its almost hilarious when on one hand its the word of God, and on the other hand, well screw him we will practice the parts we want to practice.

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Catholic has come to have about the same double meaning as Jewish,. It can be either an indication of religion or of ‘ethnic’ group.

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 9:58 PM

ErinF on March 30, 2009 at 9:43 PM said:

And isn’t Britain getting overrun with muslims? Bet they’re LOVIN THIS, as it makes their cause easier to acquire.

It increases the hatred the Muslims have towards Brits. Muslims begrudedly grant some bit of reconginition that Jews and Christians believe in God (even if the Muslims believe that faith is totally corrupted)… Muslims have absoltuely no respect for people who outright reject Allah altogether.

It will motivate them even more to conquer the UK for Allah.

I think we’re saying similiar things.. I just wanted to flesh it out more.

VinceP1974 on March 30, 2009 at 9:59 PM

@ Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM

As I said, its hilarious how Christians adjust when their beliefs are chipped away at. Now we have to scan the entire universe for heaven, when back in the day, earth was so special that it was the only planet mentioned in the creation story. But since genesis is known to be ridiculous nowadays, I guess everything can just be updated in the bible to fit scientific knowledge.

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM

You are aware that disproving the Bible, which is pretty easy to do, does not disprove the existance of a God or even multiple gods for that matter.

BklynNY on March 30, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Catholic has come to have about the same double meaning as Jewish,. It can be either an indication of religion or of ‘ethnic’ group.
MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Wait until the first guy self-identifies as a Catholic Jew; all hell will break loose.

For you atheists out there, substitute “non-denominational disaster of your choice” in place of hell.

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Your children will be atheists.

Allahpundit on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Well, if you don’t patch things up with Meagan you won’t have any children.

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM

This only says something about Brits…and they’re all going to be muslim soon enough…

DCJeff on March 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Hey they will all need proof for their new Muslim overlords that they aren’t the sons of pigs and dogs so they won’t get slaughtered.

Why else do they all want “proof” that they renounced it?

broker1 on March 30, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Are they trying to piss God off or what?

MB4 on Mar 30,2009 at 9:56PM.

MB4: That reminds me of a Simpson episode,when Rod and Todd
were to deliver cookies,and Bart hid a speaker,
and Bart,said “Do you want an angry God,or a Vengeful
God”! haha:)

canopfor on March 30, 2009 at 10:07 PM

As I said, its hilarious how Christians adjust when their beliefs are chipped away at. Now we have to scan the entire universe for heaven, when back in the day, earth was so special that it was the only planet mentioned in the creation story. But since genesis is known to be ridiculous nowadays, I guess everything can just be updated in the bible to fit scientific knowledge.
thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM

I agree, the Bible is often formed by its most strident adherents to fit into a convenient mold, though like many other things, a believer’s viewpoint has presumably evolved to include metaphorical interpretations rather than pure literalness.

Then again, science once told us that the earth was flat, “here be dragons” where the world was unexplored, and certain races of men were inferior to others due only to the color of their skin or shape of their skull.

Sort of hilarious how scientists adjust when their beliefs are chipped away at, huh?

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 10:09 PM

thphilli on March 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Give me one scientific spec of proof that he does exist.

Cosmological arguement, teleological arguement, unity, for starters.

Your holy book has parts in it which are known to be false

Which parts would that be, and known by whom?

Even your most adamant followers still don’t follow the entire book.

Sadly true. But no true Christian claims to be perfect, unless they are deluded.

swede7 on March 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM

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