100,000 Brits download certificates of “de-baptism”

posted at 8:22 pm on March 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

The revolution cometh. We haven’t had a good religious food fight in the comments lately, so consider this your opportunity. Just to spice things up, a quote from Archbishop Chaput

I wrote my book,” Render Unto Caesar” to answer the question we’re talking about today: What are the political obligations of Catholics? My answer is very simple: The political duty of Catholics is to be Catholic first — to know their faith and to think and act like faithful Catholics all the time. That includes their life in the public square, which means it also includes an obligation to promote policies and candidates that reflect the natural law, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the social and moral teachings of his church.

…followed by the results of a Gallup poll taken over the last three years showing that Catholics are no more inclined to oppose abortion or embryonic stem-cell research than non-Catholics. In fairness, Catholics who attend church regularly differ widely from Catholics who don’t (i.e. “cultural Catholics,” which I was for a long time), but even among the regulars the Pope’s counsel on certain hot-button topics is ignored: 53 percent think premarital sex and embryonic stem-cell research are morally acceptable, and 52 percent think the death penalty is. Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants. A toast to those who don’t take their religion seriously!


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Why all the little steps? Can’t they just Muslimize themselves in one step? Can’t we just cut the bureaucracy. Oh, and any entrepreneurs here? Here is my business advice for (M)UK: Manufacture burkhas and sandals. And knives, of course.

mile66 on March 31, 2009 at 7:08 AM

At best, the universe is not as packed with intelligent life as once thought. And, every year our listening is met with silence, the gap in the universality of intelligent life becomes even larger and more difficult to explain.

What if “radio” is so low-tech that other life forms forsook it billions of years ago in favor of more advanced communication methods?

Better yet, think how stupid we would feel if we learned that sign language is the accepted form of universal communication through a widely populated galaxy?

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

These issues are addressed in Fermi’s Paradox. We’ll never no the answer in our lifetime. Until some way of FTL travel is discovered we’re stuck here for a while. Unfortunately FTL travel goes against the laws of physics as I understand it (and my understanding is rudimentary at best).

Radio signals to not travel at the speed of light, and considering how long it took for us to get here and to a point where we think about this kind of stuff, it would be a long long time before any radio signal reached us, even if it had the strength. For a signal to reach us we’d have to be listening to the right patch of teh vast universe at the right time

bentman78 on March 31, 2009 at 7:24 AM

Might the headline also have said…”One hundred million don’t download debaptism certificates?” Could have, but then that wouldn’t have been very much fun.

sdd on March 31, 2009 at 7:27 AM

Wait just a minute. AP posting this one about atheists?

Isn’t that a conflict of interest?

AP, get Ed to post it next time. After you are done orgasming.

Sapwolf on March 31, 2009 at 7:31 AM

It’s not the de-baptism that we need.

What we need is for the mushy-feely (masterbation is a good thing) Christians to get the hell out of church and leave the heavy lifting to the adults.

Sapwolf on March 31, 2009 at 7:32 AM

Hey AP, you can’t just put out all those Sarah threads and get her all worked up and then pull the rug out from under her with this sure to be 500+’er.

Organize an online dinner date with us Palin fans to make up for it. Send flowers first for the ladies and a hambone for us wardogs.

Sapwolf on March 31, 2009 at 7:37 AM

In fairness, Catholics who attend church regularly differ widely from Catholics who don’t (i.e. “cultural Catholics,” which I was for a long time), but even among the regulars the Pope’s counsel on certain hot-button topics is ignored: 53 percent think premarital sex and embryonic stem-cell research are morally acceptable, and 52 percent think the death penalty is. Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants. A toast to those who don’t take their religion seriously!

OK, I followed the link there. It’s a NYT reporting of a Pew Forum poll — don’t see anything there about the 53% etc. self IDing as regular churchgoing Catholics, only “Catholics.” That is, that includes the cultural Catholics who don’t attend church regularly or possibly at all.

Catholics who go to church regularly are IMO much more likely to follow and believe the other tenets of the Christian faith. ESCR is not moral, neither is the death penalty (in most cases, not all), premarital sex is a sacrilege (taking something God meant to be holy, life-giving and a seal of a sacrament and profaning it) and while it’s possible for atheists to be saved (invincible ignorance + a following of one’s best lights), it’s not, by definition, “a belief that leads to eternal life” (to quote the very poorly chosen phrase of the poll).

inviolet on March 31, 2009 at 7:58 AM

OK, I spoke too soon. My bad. Was looking at this link instead of this link – the latter is the Gallup poll.

Don’t have any good explanation for why so many regular churchgoing Catholics don’t have a good handle on their Christian faith. Perhaps Cardinal Chaput is right and lazy catechesis some years ago is bearing bad fruit now. Time to pray harder and teach better.

inviolet on March 31, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Don’t have any good explanation for why so many regular churchgoing Catholics don’t have a good handle on their Christian faith. Perhaps Cardinal Chaput is right and lazy catechesis some years ago is bearing bad fruit now. Time to pray harder and teach better.

inviolet on March 31, 2009 at 8:04 AM

I think there is a lot of truth to what Chaput said. At the parishes I’ve been too, it seems that the adult education is really weak. And the education of children is weak too especially for boys. The portrayal of Christ as mostly a beta-male type without emphasizing his manly qualities tends to focus the Church on serving the needs somewhat more of women and children. There is always more women than men in church it seems, at least where I go to church.

Sapwolf on March 31, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants.

Translation: I don’t like it when Protestants tell me that I deserve hell as much as the next guy. I prefer the perspective that gives me a way to slip into heaven in case I’m wrong. That option is much more acceptable to me than to bow my knee to Jesus Christ the creator who I dispise.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 8:23 AM

There are more Christians in Red China than Communist Party members.

Christendom is like the tide. It comes in by waves that each recede, but over time it is inexorable.

Akzed on March 31, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Perhaps Cardinal Chaput is right and lazy catechesis some years ago is bearing bad fruit now. Time to pray harder and teach better.

inviolet on March 31, 2009 at 8:04 AM

Having gone through the lazy catechesis of the 1970s, this is spot-on. I went to Catholic schools most of my life and most of the religious instruction was content-free. I’ve had to learn a lot as an adult.

Mr. D on March 31, 2009 at 8:50 AM

100,000 Brits download certificates of “de-baptism”

I miss the good old days when they’d sign their names in blood in the Devil’s book.

Damn technology.

:)

Disturb the Universe on March 31, 2009 at 9:02 AM

“…and 52 percent think the death penalty is [morally acceptable]“

Um, the death penalty is morally acceptable according to Catholic doctrine. It’s spelled out in the catechism. The previous Pope has only said that it’s not a good idea in our particular society.

Gaunilon on March 31, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Catholic theologian Henri De Lu Bac wrote once that even if there were one act of genuine charity of the heart in the history of the world, it would justify the gospel.

If you want to understand what Christianity is, it’s absolutely irrelevant to look at sociological phenomena.

Christianity has to do with subjectivity, which, contrary to trendy skepticism, is quite real, and quite definitive.

jeff_from_mpls on March 31, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Bishop on March 30, 2009 at 10:34 PM

What if “radio” is so low-tech that other life forms forsook it billions of years ago in favor of more advanced communication methods?

We should have received their radio waves from the time before they switched from using them. But only if technological extra-terrestrial life existed a few billion years ago and a few billion light years + a few away.

The universe is very, very old and very, very large. So, since we haven’t received any such signals, it appears that E.T. did not exist at that time and place. This is part of the gap to which I have previously referred.

Better yet, think how stupid we would feel if we learned that sign language is the accepted form of universal communication through a widely populated galaxy?

Now, your are grasping at straws. It is okay to believe things for which there is no physical evidence. But at least recognize that this is a belief.

Loxodonta on March 31, 2009 at 10:06 AM

bentman78 on March 31, 2009 at 7:24 AM

These issues are addressed in Fermi’s Paradox. We’ll never no the answer in our lifetime. Until some way of FTL travel is discovered we’re stuck here for a while. Unfortunately FTL travel goes against the laws of physics as I understand it (and my understanding is rudimentary at best).

The Fermi Paradox is only a paradox if you believe that the earth is a typical planet and intelligent life will naturally evolve on all earth-like planets.

So far, we have no evidence that the earth is typical or intelligent life will evolve anywhere else in the universe. So, why do so many believe this?

Radio signals to not travel at the speed of light,

Radio waves, like all forms of electromagnetic waves, travel at the speed of light.

and considering how long it took for us to get here and to a point where we think about this kind of stuff, it would be a long long time before any radio signal reached us, even if it had the strength. For a signal to reach us we’d have to be listening to the right patch of teh vast universe at the right time

The SETI project is very sophisticated at receiving and screening extra-terrestrial radio waves. Yet, it has not yet found any evidence of intelligent extra-terrestrial life. So, perhaps it exists, is extremely rare, and we simply have not found it yet. Or, perhaps we are unique and entirely alone in the universe for some reason that is very difficult to explain scientifically.

Loxodonta on March 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM

There are more Christians in Red China than Communist Party members.

Christendom is like the tide. It comes in by waves that each recede, but over time it is inexorable.

Akzed on March 31, 2009 at 8:45 AM

What’s really interesting is that Christianity grows with persecution. But that growth is from God and not from the Christians themselves.

Allahpundit likes to point out that Christianity is declining here in the U.S.? It’s not that there isn’t a need for it. Man is still a sinner and needs a savior no matter how many rights and freedoms he may have. When man is content with his freedoms, rights and stuff he deludes himself to believe that he does not need a savior.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM

50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants.

If Ed ever parted blogging company from AP (Ass-clown Pundit), I would not ever bother to read his juvenile writing.

Right_of_Attila on March 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Allahpundit likes to point out that Christianity is declining here in the U.S.?

I meant that sentence to be a statment and not a question. Ignore the questionmark.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM

If Ed ever parted blogging company from AP (Ass-clown Pundit), I would not ever bother to read his juvenile writing.

Right_of_Attila on March 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM

AP has his lesser moments but I wouldn’t discard everything because of them. From my perception, AP seems to agree in the concept of freedom of religion while he himself thinks that religion is unnecessary and cumbersome.
What he fails to see is that if he were consistent in his unbelief, he would have no grounds to complain against any evil. For people, as animals, are just bags of protoplasm chaotically programmed by their DNA and environment to behave the way they do regardless of how we like the outcome of such behavior.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM

I do believe that they are horribly misguided, however – particularly when they attempt to use legislation and regulation to force their beliefs on everybody else.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 1:56 AM

The only people I see attempting to use legislation & regulation to force their beliefs on everyone else are Muslims and people who are either atheists or who hate Christians and Jews for other reasons.
I see no evidence of either Christians or Jews attempting to use legislation and regulation to force their beliefs on everyone else in the entire history of this country.

Looks like Rusty Bill really is rusty.

Jenfidel on March 31, 2009 at 4:51 AM

The willful ignorance of some people – not limited to religionists, by the way – is nothing short of astounding. “Jenfidel” has apparently been able to avoid knowledge of, or deny the existence of, “blue laws”, the entire gay/straight debate, prayer in schools, the insertion (in the 1950s) of a religious reference into the Pledge of Allegiance, and innumerable other instances of attempts (some successful) by religionists to impose their beliefs on others.

Oh, and Jenfidel? The “rusty” reference in my nym is from being rejected as a donor due to excessively high iron levels in my blood; it is, in fact, the result of trying to do a Good Thing.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Only the stupid ones.

Perhaps….the memetics of xianity are so inferior that both atheism and Islam are more competitive, and xianity cannot survive without brainwashing indoctrination of your reps in the critical 12 to 17 age range.
;)

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 1:11 AM

I have no problem with atheism as a lack of belief. My problem is with atheism as a belief system. Far and few in between are the people that can pull atheism off without turning it into their own golden calf, and atheism makes a very poor religion.

I suspect Christianity is suffering from it’s own popularity. It’s a case of not missing something until it’s gone. Christianity has done so much for Western society for so long that people have come to assume it has had no effect at all, and won’t realize this until it’s very unpopular. Islam is an oppressive political system dressed up as a religion, and if the political system can’t be stripped from it, then the whole thing needs to be demonized like an alien worshiping, suicidal, death cult.

DFCtomm on March 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I do believe that they are horribly misguided, however – particularly when they attempt to use legislation and regulation to force their beliefs on everybody else.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 1:56 AM

All laws and regulations exist because they came from the beliefs of people with varying perspectives. This includes religous perspectives.

It’s a shame that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, local and federal laws are forced on us by narrow minded religionists./sarc

Arguments for changes in legislature shouldn’t use the blanket statement that religionists shouldn’t impose their beliefs on others. If you refuse to abandon that line of reasoning then I should be free to say that you shouldn’t impose your religious beliefs upon my government. (It doesn’t matter if you don’t think your views are free from religious opinion either.) But I won’t because I’d rather argue for the validity of a law based on its own merit rather than if it’s source is religous or secular.

Ultimately, those who are put into office with various powers are done so by God to reduce evil.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Perhaps….the memetics of xianity are so inferior that both atheism and Islam are more competitive, and xianity cannot survive without brainwashing indoctrination of your reps in the critical 12 to 17 age range.
;)

strangelet on March 31, 2009 at 1:11 AM

As a Christian I agree with you that Christianity is less desirable than atheism and Islam to mankind but this is only because the Gospel is an offense to those who are perishing.

Since the fall of man he has rebelled against his creator and has not desired to give him honor and glory. The gospel requires man to repent of his sin and trust in God alone for salvation. Sadly, man, like Adam, desires the forbidden fruit because Satan promises him that he will be like God.

“I am my own authority.” it the underlying belief of the atheist.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Joshua said to the people, “You are not able to serve the LORD. He is a holy God; he is a jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins…” Joshua 24:19

kirkill on March 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM

AllahP thinks of himself as a “Freethinker”, which is just double speak for “atheist with a desire to destroy religion.”

Interestingly, Ben Franklin as a “Freethinker” but then that just meant he would study and read every side of an issue, he read a lot of books against religion, and as a result realized their arguments were inferior, and so became a deist.

kirkill on March 31, 2009 at 12:39 PM

As I had posted when this was last blogged on.
I have to laugh at the atheists who work so hard to deny something they don’t believe in.
Imagine, downloading a paper document off the internet for something that you don’t believe even exists, to overturn something that you don’t believe in or even acknowledge that it exists.
They are giving affirmation to something that doesn’t exist…but by them doing this it proves that it does exist.
Hint: Faith exists because you acknowledge it…why are you acknowledging it if you don’t believe it exists? Why reject something that isn’t real? And can you reject something that isn’t real, doesn’t exist, you don’t believe in?
The answer is NO, do deny, you have to accept.

right2bright on March 31, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Here’s a book that could suggest that Allah is either a liberal or gay…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

kirkill on March 31, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I hear Hell is warm this time of year…

serenity on March 31, 2009 at 12:59 PM

SO what’s next? Jewish boys are going to de-circumcise themselves?

brotherbell on March 31, 2009 at 1:00 PM

…followed by the results of a Gallup poll taken over the last three years showing that Catholics are no more inclined to oppose abortion or embryonic stem-cell research than non-Catholics.

If people would simply live out what they believed, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Aronne on March 31, 2009 at 1:04 PM

We should have received their radio waves from the time before they switched from using them. But only if technological extra-terrestrial life existed a few billion years ago and a few billion light years + a few away.

Loxodonta on March 31, 2009 at 10:06 AM

I’m curious if there any radio engineers or radio astronomers here who can estimate what size antenna would be required to detect, for example, a million-watt omni-directional narrow-band signal from a distance of 100 thousand light years (the other side of our galaxy) given modern filtering/amplification technology? I’m guessing the antenna’s going to need to be continental in size.

DarkCurrent on March 31, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants.

You are safe. At Judgement day, if there is a God and you were wrong, you will, I am certain, admit you were wrong and your unbelief will be understood

It is the ones who believe in God and then deny Him that are in big trouble in the next world. You cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit if you do not believe It is real. Believers have the burden because they knew it was true

I will put in a good word too, for whatever that is worth

entagor on March 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Joshua said to the people, “You are not able to serve the LORD. He is a holy God; he is a jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins…” Joshua 24:19

kirkill on March 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM

And just whom is supposed to be intimidated by such drivel? Why do people insist on continuously citing their god’s character defects as an argument when they cannot contribute anything rational.

Annar on March 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Someone hurry up and create a certificate of Dhiminitude. They’ll sign that too.

TrickyDick on March 31, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Joshua said to the people, “You are not able to serve the LORD. He is a holy God; he is a jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins…” Joshua 24:19

kirkill on March 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM

And just whom is supposed to be intimidated by such drivel? Why do people insist on continuously citing their god’s character defects as an argument when they cannot contribute anything rational.

Annar on March 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM

The entire concept of religion is, by definition, irrational, since it does not require proof of it’s claims.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Toss in the fact that 50 percent of white Catholics say atheists will go to heaven and you’ll see why I prefer them to Protestants.

Interesting concept. You want to disbelieve here but hey just in case your wrong you wouldn’t mind getting a pass. I like that idea, and since I’ve enjoyed sin too much to be religious I really like that idea. Last time I checked though, it was God who made those decisions and not Catholics.

DFCtomm on March 31, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Allah,

Just wait until the Motu Proprio Revolution fully takes hold. It has already started. For Vatican II Novus Ordo Catholics, please have a look at Rev Fr Kloster’s short videos discussing the Latin Mass. Rev Fr Kloster is representative of the young, conservative crop of priests that are heading into the pulpits. Fr Kloster is a hardliner, and have actually replaced his name with Senator Thompson’s fun facts from Frank J. Actually, I’ll just repost.

————————–

* Every night before going to sleep, Osama bin Laden checks under his bed for Reverand Father Donald Kloster.

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster’s gaze can kill small animals.

* The actual cause of global warming: Reverand Father Donald Kloster’s burning rage.

* Only two things can kill Superman: Kryptonite and Reverand Father Donald Kloster.

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster once stood on our south border and glared at Mexico. There was no illegal immigration for a month.

* Scientists predict that when Reverand Father Donald Kloster dies he’ll explode taking out the five nearest planets before collapsing into a black hole.

* If you purchase a weather radio, it will wake you up with an alarm to warn you when Reverand Father Donald Kloster is pissed off.

* An abortion doctor tried to kill Reverand Father Donald Kloster when he was still in the womb, but he cut off the man’s hand with scalpel while shouting, “Do you know who I am? I’m Reverand Father Donald Kloster!”

* Webster’s Dictionary defines “conservatism” as “how closely one’s views resemble those of Reverand Father Donald Kloster.”

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster’s sense of strategy is so great that he can checkmate you using only a pawn and a knight.

* The most efficient airline security is to have Reverand Father Donald Kloster stare down everyone entering a plane.

* Reverand Father Donald Kloster can open clamshell packaging without the slightest trouble.

* Why does Iran want nuclear weapons? Out of fear of Reverand Father Donald Kloster.

——

* Originally posted here in lieu of Fred Thompson, but Father Kloster fits these far more than the good Sen. Thompson.

Schweggie on March 31, 2009 at 2:03 PM

SO what’s next? Jewish boys are going to de-circumcise themselves?

brotherbell on March 31, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I linked to this yesterday.

Shy Guy on March 31, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I don’t believe in Atheists.

Is there a name for that?

petunia on March 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

The entire concept of religion is, by definition, irrational, since it does not require proof of it’s claims.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Here’s a definition of rational and reason. Neither say anything about proof. So your argument is wrong on that level.

It is also wrong because it is nothing but a strawman. A simple definition of religion does not mention a blindness to reason or what’s rational. In fact it relies heavily on reason to understand that which is unknown. Science and religion both use reason whether you like it or not.

Christianity does require proof. Here are just a few examples

1)when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. – Deuteronomy 18:22

The whole point of prophecy is to demonstrate that God controls and knows time. A true prophet will be demonstrated to be so by if the prophecy comes true.

2. He was a burning and shining lamp, and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light. But the testimony that I have is greater than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, – John 5:35-37

Jesus said not to look only upon what he says but that his miracles should show that he is the Christ.

3.And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women. – Acts 17:2-4

The apostle Paul encourage the Bereans to consider that everything that the scripture said about the Christ came true through Jesus.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I don’t believe in Atheists.

Is there a name for that?

petunia on March 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

God doesn’t either. That’s why entagor (on March 31, 2009 at 1:14 PM) is very wrong.

shick on March 31, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Don’t care.

bluelightbrigade on March 31, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Finally: Institutionalized Atheism

unwashed minion on March 31, 2009 at 4:56 PM

“Jenfidel” has apparently been able to avoid knowledge of, or deny the existence of, “blue laws”, the entire gay/straight debate, prayer in schools, the insertion (in the 1950s) of a religious reference into the Pledge of Allegiance, and innumerable other instances of attempts (some successful) by religionists to impose their beliefs on others.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Virtually all of which have been overturned or changed to have the non-beliefs of the atheist minority forced upon the population which is Christian and Jewish by majority.
In addition, there have been numerous attempts, many of them successful, to remove the benign influence of the Judeo-Christian faith and to impose a stark, unforgiving godless character to American life by forbidding the celebration or mention of Christmas, the presence of the 10 Commandments, the appearance of “In God we Trust” on the money–which is the national motto, and the saying of prayer before public events, to name just a few.
This nation was founded by Christians on Judeo-Christian principles, but in the last 30-50 years, the atheists, marching in lockstep, have tried to eradicate as much of our seminal Christian faith in this country as much as possible, so don’t lecture me about blue laws!
We are the lesser nation for it.
Britain, with these absurd “de-baptisms,” is already well on its way to perdition as a great nation/kingdom.

Jenfidel on March 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM

:sigh: debunked
http://bostonreview.net/BR21.6/orr.html
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/02/darwin/quammen-text

bentman78 on March 31, 2009 at 6:59 AM

Sigh: Ignorant person who can’t understand what is written.

The cell wall had no reason to develop. NONE. The cellular motor cannot be defended except by the rantings of certain scientists whose only defense is that the person who debunked the evolution meme is a kook. The theory of evolution, as explained by these so-called “scientists” cannot explain how the cell wall or the cellular motor developed. As a matter of fact, the existence of the cell wall and the cellular motor directly contradicts the insane rantings of Darwin and his brainwashed ilk.

csdeven on March 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM

When you say 100,000 debaptize. please tell us the percentage of the millions that didn’t and how many of the 100,000 were never baptized to begin with. Your attempt at attacking religion is as baseless as the brainwashed liberals and their talking points. Feeble-minded hogwash for everybody.

volsense on March 31, 2009 at 6:21 PM

If you take the population of Great Britain, not counting the Unitrd Kingdom, the percentage of those debaptizing would be less than 2,000th of a percent. You waste time with this garbage? You sound like just another brainwashed liberal yelling “the sky is falling”.

volsense on March 31, 2009 at 6:31 PM

What a great idea.

I don’t believe in Christianity anymore, or the Christian faith. I don’t believe in the Judeo-Christian God either… so obviously I need to do something to reverse an action done years earlier that I now consider useless.

Much like when a Wiccan (another religion I don’t believe in) cursed me, I … well actually I did nothing. A ritual performed in a religion I believe to be false has no meaning to me.

Except a Christian one is really really real and must be reversed to be countered. Because God is real… wait, no… not real but the ritual is meaningful. Um…

Wow, I’m going to need much much better drugs before I understand the point here. I mean the kind of drug use that makes Scientology sound plausible.

gekkobear on March 31, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Your children will be atheists.

Ah, the historical-numerical narrative. So important to atheists–until you challenge them on how accurate it’s been every generation since Voltaire.

Neither you nor I know what my children are going to be. I don’t think my son will be, because I’m doing a pretty good job of enlightening him to disingenuous behind a lot of atheist rhetoric.

That said, here’s something funny: COE has gay priests and marries gays. COE is quite positively disposed to socialism, globalism, liberalism. The Anglican church over here is packed with liberals. And they feel the need to break with the Church officially, and the reporter puts it as to “challenge” privileged position of a church that has made every possible concession it can make to the modern world.

So if you can put atheist dogmatism aside, this is the church that is least “medieval” and most “modern”. But purists cannot countenance a break from the pure unadulterated full-explanation that they think they have when they no longer have to explain God.

The church is not resisted because it “holds back humanity” but because it represents something that has a different status from other things.

Axeman on March 31, 2009 at 9:10 PM

“Jenfidel” has apparently been able to avoid knowledge of, or deny the existence of, “blue laws”, the entire gay/straight debate, prayer in schools, the insertion (in the 1950s) of a religious reference into the Pledge of Allegiance, and innumerable other instances of attempts (some successful) by religionists to impose their beliefs on others.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Virtually all of which have been overturned or changed

Which will come as a surprise to those who are still enforcing them. And to those who are still trying to codify their irrational beliefs into law (did you even bother to check out my original link?).

to have the non-beliefs of the atheist minority forced upon the population which is Christian and Jewish by majority.

I see. Not wanting to be subjected to your endless prosletyzing is forcing non-belief on you. What part of “leave me alone” do you not understand?

In addition, there have been numerous attempts, many of them successful, to remove the benign influence of the Judeo-Christian faith and to impose a stark, unforgiving godless character to American life by forbidding the celebration or mention of Christmas, the presence of the 10 Commandments, the appearance of “In God we Trust” on the money–which is the national motto, and the saying of prayer before public events, to name just a few.

You can believe and pray all you want to. Just don’t do it on my time and my dime. Prayers at public events, particularly government-sponsored events (like legislative sessions), are on my time and my dime. Religious displays on public property are supported by my dime.

This nation was founded by Christians on Judeo-Christian principles, but in the last 30-50 years, the atheists, marching in lockstep, have tried to eradicate as much of our seminal Christian faith in this country as much as possible, so don’t lecture me about blue laws!

Jenfidel on March 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM

“Don’t bother me” does not equate with “eradicate”. It is unfortunate that you do not – or will not – understand that.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 9:33 PM


Deuteronomy 18:22

John 5:35-37

Acts 17:2-4

shick on March 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Quoting your so-called “holy book” at me does not advance your argument, since I do not accept it’s alleged authority. Try using verifiable facts; it’s much more effective.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 10:11 PM

The link for the cert was on a Muslim child porn site..

lasertex on March 31, 2009 at 11:05 PM

I love watching bloggers argue over whose god is better…it’s like watching two kids argue over whose imaginary friend is more powerful.

“But mine has laserbeams for eyes”….”well mine can condemn you to an eternity of pain and suffering for even talking about laserbeams”

Pffft. One day the human race will wake up to the fact we are far better off without any religions and the shit that gets carried out under religious guises.

Chook.

Chook on March 31, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Yes. Just look at the glorious achievements of countries with state atheist regimes:

The Soviet Union.


Communist China.


Cambodia.

Yes. Wake up, indeed.

Loxodonta on April 1, 2009 at 4:02 AM

This is crazy. We’re going backwards, away from faith and common sense. World tension is building and all this talk that there’s too many people on the planet is not good language. Its only going to take a few small conflicts between countries to start some bad stuff out there.

johnnyU on April 1, 2009 at 4:49 AM

Quoting your so-called “holy book” at me does not advance your argument, since I do not accept it’s alleged authority. Try using verifiable facts; it’s much more effective.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Nice non-response. I gave you examples of use of reason which you simply ignore but return with insults. Typical atheism pretending to be above rhetoric when rhetoric is all its got.

I gave you verifiable facts. Quotes from my authority saying that it uses reason to disprove your claim that religion is purely irrational.

So far I’ve heard not reason from you but pure rhetoric.

Conclusion: Projection. You have succesfully demonstrated the blind faith of your beliefs without using reason.

shick on April 1, 2009 at 10:24 AM

“Don’t bother me” does not equate with “eradicate”. It is unfortunate that you do not – or will not – understand that.

Rusty Bill on March 31, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Yes, it does.
Your people have been satisfied with nothing less than eradication of almost all of the Judeo-Christian symbols and institutions the majority of the population, who are Jews and Christians, hold dear.
These things weren’t bothering you in the least, but to make a big case of it and to get rid of them, you atheists lied and said that they were, bringing numerous lawsuits to have them eradicated.
Madeleine Murray O’Hare and Michael Newdow have a special room in Hell for doing just this.

Jenfidel on April 1, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Jenfidel on April 1, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I don’t think you should expect anything but condescension from Rusty Bill.

If you would like to see a good debate between an Athiest and a Christian check out this Barker vs. Wilson debate.

shick on April 1, 2009 at 11:43 AM

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