Quotes of the day

posted at 9:35 pm on March 29, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Back in the 1960s and 1970s, we’d been fighting to protect the common-sense instincts of ordinary people from elite interference. Now, in the Terri Schiavo euthanasia case, with stem cell research, on gay rights issues, it was we who had become the interfering elite, against a society that was reaching its own new equilibrium.

Of course, that’s not how conservatives saw it. We saw a country divided in two, red states and blue, NASCAR vs. NPR, real America against the phonies in the cities. A movement that had begun as an intellectual one now scornfully pooh-poohed the need for people in government to know anything much at all. But expertise does matter, and the neglect of expertise leads to mismanagement and failure — as we saw in Iraq, in Katrina and in the disregard of warning signals from the financial market. It was under a supposedly pro-market administration that the United States suffered the worst market failure of the post-war era, and that should have sobered us. Instead, we rallied to Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber…

But on environmental issues, we have to follow the evidence where it leads — and on social issues we have to take our society as it is. If the world changes, we have to change with it. The refusal of so many of my fellow conservatives in the United States to adapt their thinking to facts and realities does not demonstrate their adherence to principle. It demonstrates a frivolous indifference to the responsibilities of political leadership.”

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If anyone thinks that this financial bubble is bad, wait until the even more insane global political bubble bursts; the one that has been empowering the UN for almost 2 decades. You ain’t seen nothing until you see that blow!

Right now, in Dow terms, the UN is at 13,600, and The Precedent and the Senate are looking to buy shares in it until the price gets to 39,000 – which appears to be sometime in the next year or two, based on the new trajectory and depending on how our financial system hangs in.

It’s a race to see which system the government pushes to failure, first. Amazing.

On an optimistic note, I really liked Gates’ answer to Chris Wallace about whether there’s anything we can do about, what we ourselves call a provocative act meant to build the Norks’ missile delivery systems -

“No.”

Okey doke.

progressoverpeace on March 30, 2009 at 7:30 AM

What a jerk this guy is. He can give his “Reader’s Digest” view of the past 35 years of the Republican party and not once mention 9/11/2001. Scratching head here and attempting to understand the ignorance of this fool.

No he is not worth the effort. He was never worth the effort.

Jdripper on March 30, 2009 at 7:35 AM

“in the Terri Schiavo euthanasia case……it was we who had become the interfering elite, against a society that was reaching its own new equilibrium”.

When judges have the ability to decide who has enough brain activity to justify life and who does not all pretext of a right to life is lost. Think about it, this is what NAZIs did! I think I would rather be a member of that pesky “interfering elite” who says NO than to go along with society’s new equilibrium.

Dollayo on March 30, 2009 at 7:41 AM

David Frum is a piece of crap.

Jim Treacher on March 30, 2009 at 8:01 AM

McCain’s Jimmy Carter moment? All we would have had to add is “I was talking to my daughter Meghan today…”

This is the reason that Conservatives think McCain was never intended to be President. If we go along with the world, we are intended to be Socialists and panderers. If we go along with the Green movement, we become Chicken little “The sky is falling” neo-luddites.

What McCain is saying is that “If you can’t beat Liberals, become Liberal”; Sorry Senator, it ain’t happening. We can all see how well this plan is working for California Gov. Arnold. In WW2 France, those people were known as “sympathisers”.

darkmetal on March 30, 2009 at 8:03 AM

and on social issues we have to take our society as it is.

One of the main fronts of many fronts in the War is the battle for the language. Until we wrest control of the english language back from the left we will always be at a disadvantage. Why is it that karl marx could walk into a supervisor of elections office, register as a republican, and the rest of us would let him get away with calling himself a conservative? frum is not a conservative. Everytime he is quoted to someone as a conservative, that should be corrected clearly. Conservative talk show hosts like bennett and hugh hewitt need to be called on their refusal to call barry’s communist and/or fascist influenced policies what they are. The president of the US telling the head of a corporation to resign isn’t strongarmed fascism? better start fighting for our country people because it isn’t slipping away, it’s being gouged away in big chunks.

peacenprosperity on March 30, 2009 at 8:08 AM

This is why I think all this navel gazing about the direction of the party is kind of crazy. Obama is a disaster, people blame Congress but sooner or later they have to come around to blaming Obama too. American’s wanted change in some abstract airy fairy way, not socialist Europe. They will run toward tradition. In the mean time, let’s get a loud articulate spokesman out there to point out the absurdities already.

msmveritas on March 29, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Republicans have fallen in the old MSM trap: When Dems loose an election “the electorate just had a little temper tantrum”, when Republicans lose “they must re-build and modernize the party because the party of old white conservatiemales is out of touch with the country”
And so all we are doing is belly gazing instead improving our organization and finding better ways and better leaders to communicate our message while exposing the disaster the Dems are.

neuquenguy on March 30, 2009 at 8:14 AM

strangelet on March 29, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Get some new material. This didn’t make sense the first few times you said it, let alone now.

Jim Treacher on March 30, 2009 at 8:16 AM

Thanks for the link to the David Frum article! It was the sanest, wisest political article I’ve read in a long while.

thuja on March 30, 2009 at 8:23 AM

I keep thinking Frum can’t go any lower but he keeps digging. He is no conservative, hell he isn’t even a RINO anymore, he’s a dyed in the wool democrap. His entree to elite dinner parties with democrap libs is more important to him than principle and our country. He is a sleazebag. He’s a cutnrunner of the worst kind. You see the country going down the wrong road, just go along for the ride, after all that’s what ‘people’ want. Look how well that worked out with the Soviets, Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, NK, and many other despotic countries.

eaglewingz08 on March 30, 2009 at 8:29 AM

thuja on March 30, 2009 at 8:23 AM

You should read more.

Jim Treacher on March 30, 2009 at 8:31 AM

The Stupid party cannot defeat the evil party unless it speaks with a unified voice. McCain can’t unify his own moderate mind and the Stupid party suffers. Like it or not, McCain is our leader and the Stupid party’s “alternative” budget roll out is exhibit 1A of why we need new leadership.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-gop-goes-from-united-to-fractured-2009-03-28.html

Come on, time to be honest. We do not deserve to lead if we cannot offer a clear alternative.

Step 1: Cancel Remington Steele.

Angry Dumbo on March 30, 2009 at 8:34 AM

John McCain needs to stop going on TV, as does his daughter.

The GOP should not change,we need to keep our core values and keep government out of our business. I didnt like what he said about Palin either.

becki51758 on March 30, 2009 at 8:45 AM

For crying out loud, Frum!

You endorsed this mess.

And you’re still on the “don’t look at me, this is Joe the Plumber’s fault” routine?

Joe the Plumber saw it coming.

Why didn’t you?

Go get a real job, cause all you’re doing now is wallowing in your own self-pity.

It’s ugly, David. It really is.

Saltysam on March 30, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Is it possible for this guy to become more inconsequential? Or is it less consequential? Regardless, or is it irregardless? -
…. he’s a big dope.

JeffinOrlando on March 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM

David Frum is a piece of crap.

Jim Treacher on March 30, 2009 at 8:01 AM

I’m glad to see that someone who’s intelligence far exceeds my own came to the same conclusion as to how much discussion his self-righteous crusade deserves.

frum is an ass

jimmy the notable on March 30, 2009 at 3:45 AM

jimmy the notable on March 30, 2009 at 8:58 AM

If the world changes, we have to change with it.

What an utter and complete vacuous statement.

Anyway, the political trend for Republicans (in terms of governance) for sometime now has also been moving left. Even when Republicans held slim majorities in both chambers during Bush’s presidency. Although not as pronounced in 2004 as it was in 2006, you had many instances where Democrats were successful (in both campaigning and election outcome) of out-’conservatizing’ Republicans. Partisans and politicians were all to quick to notice the (R) vs. (D) outcome and acted accordingly. So naturally, they figured moving the message to the left was the correct way to go. They are just politicians after all. There is an expectation of ‘forest/trees’ bungling.

I noticed and even made note of it back then (as I’m sure some here did too). Ever since then? They’ve been losing their shirts. And because of our federal government taking the detour to the left, we find ourselves in this mess.

Mr. Frum, that whole list of ‘conservative‘ complaints you have are nothing remotely conservative. Whatever you believe in is yours. And if you have changed your views, fine. It’s inaccurate, however, to confuse terms with conservatives and Republicans if the latter are acting in manners diametrically opposed to the former. It’s also folly and lazy to author any drivel as such.

I can maybe think of only one other time in my life where it seems so obvious (and important) that one particular Party should completely distance itself and offer a crystal clear alternative than the other.

anuts on March 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Why is it that karl marx could walk into a supervisor of elections office, register as a republican, and the rest of us would let him get away with calling himself a conservative?

Rhetorical Question of the Century

Saltysam on March 30, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Why is it that karl marx could walk into a supervisor of elections office, register as a republican, and the rest of us would let him get away with calling himself a conservative?

peacenprosperity on March 30, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Saltysam on March 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Republicans have fallen in the old MSM trap: When Dems loose an election “the electorate just had a little temper tantrum”, when Republicans lose “they must re-build and modernize the party because the party of old white conservatiemales is out of touch with the country”
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neuquenguy on March 30, 2009 at 8:14 AM

The GOP does need to modernize and rebuild the party. But we need to do so as a Conservative party, one that respects liberty, a strong defense, fiscal responsibility, and Christian values. Bush was good on defense and strong on values, but weak on fiscal responsibility.

Outlander on March 30, 2009 at 9:10 AM

The GOP does need to modernize and rebuild the party. But we need to do so as a Conservative party, one that respects liberty, a strong defense, fiscal responsibility, and Christian values. Bush was good on defense and strong on values, but weak on fiscal responsibility.

Outlander on March 30, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Excellent analysis.

rplat on March 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Investors now favor Republicans by a 46% to 36% margin, while non-investors would vote Democratic by a 45% to 33% margin.

chunderroad on March 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM

People who work for a living like Republicans.
People who vote for a living like Democrats.

MarkTheGreat on March 30, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Allah, we need to bring you up on war crime charges. Feeding us this pap over and over again is torture.

I’m all for alternative viewpoints, but this little man is petty and disgusting. For a man who calls himself a conservative, his blatantly liberal viewpoint is on full display here. The skewed, shallow and cursory understanding of conservatism shows his low regard for the principles that gave success to the Republican party. As far as a generator of original thought, he is a lost cause. Please LEAVE F–M ALONE. Ignore him.

danheyden on March 30, 2009 at 9:41 AM

People who work for a living like Republicans.
Investment bankers and People who vote for a living like Democrats.

MarkTheGreat on March 30, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Johan Klaus on March 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM

They will run toward tradition. In the mean time, let’s get a loud articulate spokesman out there to point out the absurdities already.

Assuming that the left will ever allow an election, or in the least, an honest election is exactly what the left wants. The more complacency, the quicker they win the War.

peacenprosperity on March 30, 2009 at 10:08 AM

‘Would you like to see Palin be president?’
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Of course… That would be awesome! Much better than the current guy no doubt.
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‘Would you support Palin for president?’
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Absolutely. Didn’t you notice that I picked her to be my VP? I have the utmost respect for her.
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See how easy that is…

RalphyBoy on March 30, 2009 at 10:36 AM

The words of Frum and the image of McCain? Frum smears Palin, yet again — this is real news, right? — while on the McCain video, McCain argues AGAINST everything Frum says!! He PRAISES Palin, yet again, to boot! I guess if you’d clearly identified this claptrap as more Frum bull chips, nobody would have even read more. This bonehead talks about “pooh-pooh[ing] the need for people in government to know anything much at all”, which encapsulates the apparent approach of the Obama administration in its first 60 days precisely, yet it is Palin he wants to savage! Palin already knew more about governance than Obama, as is clearly demonstrated by his administration’s bumbling and fumbling. Even JTP, Frum’s other favorite whipping boy, knows a rotten idea when he hears one! When it comes to change, perhaps we should begin with finding journalists and commentators who “know anything much at all” and move up the food chain, eh?

littleguy on March 30, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I agree with John that vigorous debate right now is good. Palin is a phenomenal campaigner. It remains to be seen if she has truly good ideas, since as the VP candidate, her role was to support McCain’s ideas.

I agree with John that the Republican party needs to broaden its appeal.

Hope it listens.

AnninCA on March 30, 2009 at 10:53 AM

But on environmental issues, we have to follow the evidence where it leads — and on social issues we have to take our society as it is. If the world changes, we have to change with it.

Junk science and hippie morality — the battle cry of the Left! Timothy Leary stated it succinctly as, “Tune in, turn on, drop out!” If Frum were on trial, accused of practicing conservatism, could he prove it in a court of law?

littleguy on March 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM

The Republican Party needs to go on a RINO hunt.

darktood on March 30, 2009 at 11:12 AM

The Republican Party needs to go on a RINO hunt.

The republican party is a lost cause. It is so totally controlled by the principle-less political elite it can never be saved. boehner, mcconnell, cantor, ryan, blunt… These were the guys in charge when the republican party had control. Their lame excuse that the democrats were too obstructionist is BS. The American people recognize the correct ideas and the right policies when they are forced out into the light of day. Every single time that happens the demofascists buckle and jump ship like the rats they are. The problem is that the republicans in leadership positions don’t really believe in conservative principles. They believe in government and politics and just like the demofascists, they think we are stupid cattle. I’ve got news for you people, take a look in barney and nancy and barry’s eyes. they know they hold all the cards and there is no true resistance so they are going to push through anything they want. Conservatives better jettison the republican party fast because at some point conservatism will be a crime. And if you don’t believe me, find someone who’s jewish grandparents lived in vienna in 1936. They thought it would never happen either.

peacenprosperity on March 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM

We rallied to what they where saying since the so called experts were to gutless to express conservative principals. The elected were miss reading voters and not understanding that by turning their back on conservatism is what lead to their defeat. I don’t think voters became liberal as much as conservatism was not being followed so conservatives stayed home. AP would continue business as usual just to have an -R- in office. I agree it is better than what is happening now, but if we don’t have principals we lose credibility. Which also happended because the elected became “dems light” So now that we can’t change the past, it is time to re-build based on the principals that lead to three landslide elections ’80, ’84 and 94. The sooner you realize this Allah, the sooner you will understand what a conservative is.

lwssdd on March 30, 2009 at 12:11 PM

it is time to re-build based on the principals that lead to three landslide elections ‘80, ‘84 and 94

The republican party cannot be rebuilt. Even with the shellacking they took in 2006 the professional politicians held onto control and gave us mccain in 2008. They are happy to be the minority party as long as they keep their perks and get some face time on TV.

peacenprosperity on March 30, 2009 at 12:19 PM

You have this exactly backwards.

The last couple of elections the Social questions were the only ones addressed. There was no discussion about fiscal conservatism… and certainly no fiscal conservative option.

Abortion… Marriage… War… Border… education…the parties where argueing about which one would tell us what to do… not whether they should be telling us what to do or not…

Romeo13 on March 30, 2009 at 1:40 AM

I see it as exactly the opposite. Outside of judicial appointments, the Republicans have done *nothing* nor have they seriously tried to enact anything in way of their social policies.

The last two elections have been about:

The War
Tax Cuts
Health Care “Reform”
Social Security Reform
Environmental Regulations (especially GW related)
Trade policy

Outside of the war, which certainly is not a social issue, all on the economic side of things. And we’ve done poorly focusing on these issues. Arguably the 2008 presidential election was decided on who the public blamed for the current economic downturn – and the answer was conservative economics.

The sad truth is economic liberalism is *much* more popular then economic conservatism right now with the one caveat being no one wants to pay for it themselves.

I do want to stress that this is a sad truth, I am a proponent of economic conservatism as well. But I think moving forward, conservatives should treat economic conservatism like the Left treats social liberalism. Don’t talk about it during elections and try to sneak it through when you can while trying to raise the popularity of the underlying ideas.

18-1 on March 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Nonsense. That is why personal freedom must be allowed to coexist with economic freedom. If those people on the tv are selling snake oil, then we all must be free to go on the tv before and after them to tell people that its snake oil. Without absolute freedom of speech and communication, corruption will be allowed to expand.

And so what if the company does defraud someone? That’s what the legal system is for. We don’t need an entire bloated, wasteful branch of government to do something that the District Attorney could.

jimmy the notable on March 30, 2009 at 4:05 AM

It sounds like your lasseiz-faire market utopia would have even more rich lawyers than our current socialist utopia. What effect would it have on economic activity if every consumer knew the only defense against consumer fraud was suing the manufacturers? Do you suppose that might depress the economy just a tad? And what are the consumers supposed to do if the fraudulent products kill them?

If the sole remedy for unregulated, predatory sales practices is for other private citizens to ” go on the tv before and after them to tell people that its snake oil,” we’re going to need an awful lot of TV time. How are the tribunes of the people supposed to afford all that media access? Especially if the media is another completely unregulated market…

I’m all in favor of trimming back that bloated and wasteful government, but let’s not take the concept to ridiculous extremes. On top of the purely philosophical debate over whether anarchic markets are “free” markets, there are practical considerations… no more than a tiny, insignificant fraction of the population is ever going to agree that eliminating all government regulation and oversight is a good idea. Market efficiency is only enhanced by wise and reasonable rules that establish the boundaries of acceptable behavior, and provide consumers with useful, readily understood certifications of safety and quality. The playing field will never remain level, unless efforts are undertaken to level it. Granted our government is very, very far beyond serving such a humble and necessary function at the moment, but we’ve got a couple of trillion dollars of crap to cut away before we have to start debating whether we need the Food and Drug Administration to exist at all.

Doctor Zero on March 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM

It’s all well and good to stick to “core values” but continuing to marginalize people who don’t march in complete lockstep will keep Republicans out of power.

SnarkVader on March 29, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Really, do “moderates” even use their brains anymore or are they so swayed by the RINOs in Washington that they just cease to think for themselves? How many moderates have to use the, “not in lockstep” meme before someone smacks them down?

OK, lets try to get this out of the way…I’ll approach this from a statistical PoV, not a principled one (because that has already been well argued previously, and even countered with historical facts and no moderate seems to care or be moved by logic/reason).

Let’s start with a simple supposition:
If the goal of the moderates is to eventually win a majority of votes for a candidate(s), then you *must* gain a majority of the voting population.

1. The Democrats ran their most liberal federal Congressional member. He won.

2. John McCain met the criteria of the “moderate Republican”, meaning that he was a liberal/RINO to us “rigid” Republicans/Conservatives. He lost.

3. When John McCain tapped Sarah Palin to be his running mate, his donations and support rose dramatically.

Center-Right Population; 100M (52/48)

You will notice, that when running a “moderate” Republican, they cannot in fact win because they cannot overcome the Democrat votes. This will be especially true if the Democrats secure 12-20M more votes by granting amnesty to illegal aliens (assuming the new citizens vote Democrat).

If moderates want to win, THEY will need to adjust and get into lockstep with the right-wing nutjobs they so detest.

Go buy yourselves a clue Moderates, you cannot win without us nutjobs on the far right. As demonstrated by the most recent elections, moderates don’t win national elections. We will stand by our principles rather than change to win over a few on the left. Perhaps standing by our principles seems silly to you, but you are the idiots if you refuse to accept the situation, not us. We know and accept a loss (again, note 2008 presidential election) whereas your primary goal is to win by trying to grab libs from the libs (while losing cons). The downside for moderates is that if the Republican party ran a strong conservative, the moderates would have less power because their views would be too liberal.

I’m not saying you have to change your views, just that if you want to win as a conservative, you have to run strong conservatives for office. Its the trade off you have to make because the middle ground will not win elections. The people in the middle are too easily swayed on minor issues and unreliable for a solid party-line vote. The real question is whether or not moderates can live with a Pro-life, no amnesty, small government, lower taxes, candidate.

Geministorm on March 30, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Arguably the 2008 presidential election was decided on who the public blamed for the current economic downturn – and the answer was conservative economics.

True, that was the perception, because the conservative/Republican response was so weak. In the most simple terms; this crisis was caused by government involvement. The CRA strong-armed banks into making risky loans which set into motion the crisis that has come to be.

Conservatives need to be able to communicate with the citizens about these issues and stop playing the PC BS that the Democrats feed off of.

Geministorm on March 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM

This is EXACTLY why we have Der Fuhrer, Adolf O’bunghole, because the RINO GOP powers that be are gutless and constantly repeat the same behavior expecting a different outcome (see the definition of insanity). This is also why J.D. Hayworth is going to hand McCain his head in the Arizona primaries for McCain’s Senate seat. McCain and his RINO croanies are finished, they are just too stupid to know it yet.

nelsonknows on March 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Say what you will about McCain, much of it I agree with (wasn’t my primary pick), but for sake of mental exercise think about how different things would be if he were in the White House instead.

Yeah, his flashes of RINOism are disturbing though.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM

RINOism, killing us from within so they take control of us from without. When you spend your time trying defend the leadership that doesn’t that have a semblance of compatibility with your principals you have no time to put out your message. Their message is the one heard. Then the rest believe there is no difference between them and us except based on degrees. With that, the belief is that what is happening is inevitable and the right thing to do. The control will be complete before you’ve even had a chance to fight against it. Before it even turn 2010.

It took Lenin from his return in April, 1917 to October with the final showdown in March of the following year. There was a three year civil war but they had control of the press and city, state, and national infrastructure that they were able to maintain control. I’m sure many people at the beginning of the previous century thought nothing like that could happen. But it did.

Sultry Beauty on March 30, 2009 at 7:56 PM

in 1975 there were many like Frum who said we had to become democrat lite

Do you know what Reagan told this crowd?

Hit the bricks

joey24007 on March 29, 2009 at 10:39 PM

The threads a little cold, but this link is the pearl. Reagan’s words from the past ring true today. Worth a read.

2ipa on March 30, 2009 at 10:19 PM

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