Just leave it alone

posted at 10:30 am on March 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The New York Post has a story about a certain videotape that they haven’t fully seen, featuring a person whose identity they haven’t confirmed, allegedly using illegal drugs.  The purveyor of this tape wanted $2 million for it because it reportedly involves the daughter of a high-ranking American politician, but has cut the price to $400,000 instead.  The Post says they won’t pay for the tape, but they have run the allegation in its newspaper.

What should be done with this story?  It should be dropped.  I’m not linking it because I find it objectionable on two levels.  First, it shouldn’t have been reported at all until identities were confirmed.  It may be sad to say that a videotape of an ordinary woman snorting cocaine isn’t newsworthy, but it just isn’t, especially when the woman’s identity hasn’t been confirmed anyway.

If the woman’s identity was confirmed and she was a public official, then that would be news.  The person alleged to be in this tape is not a public official, but the adult daughter of a public official.  Does this inform us of public policy, competence or integrity in office, or corruption or abuse of power?  Not at all.  So what’s the point, except to take a cheap shot at a public official we may not like?

The Post should have left this alone, and so should the blogosphere.


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Look at that photo of Joe in the story below and tell me he hasn’t done a line with her.

Disturb the Universe on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Heh, no doubt.

changer1701 on March 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM

President Obama: – we’ve gotta reduce demand for drugs. We’ve got to do our part in reducing the flow of cash and guns south.

William Amos on March 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Everyone has to take immediate notice that while this administration is using our undeniable demand for drugs as cover.

They link it to necessary domestic policy agendas, implying that policy needs to focus on “demand”, while their true and laser focus is on the second amendment.

They want the American public to actually believe that an “assault” weapons ban will score a great victory against these evil drug gangs in Mexico.

This needs to be exposed for the ruse that it is.

Saltysam on March 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM

We are sending millions of dollars south to Columbia, Mexico and other places and American soldiers and other personnel are in harms way everyday in those countries fighting the war on drugs.

Correcting my own post, I meant Colombia of course. Although it might not be a bad idea for there to be a meaningful war on drugs in (the District of) Columbia as well.

Drug use isn’t consequence free. Not for the user and not for the rest of us. The idea that we should just shut up about it because it’s some politician’s kid is strange. As for it being confirmed? Well, the NY Post didn’t have a problem reporting the attempted sale of the video. Would it have done that if it wasn’t fairly confident that Ashley Biden was the one shown?

Bennett on March 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM

America’s dumbest generation strikes again. They just keep letting themselves be taped doing stupid and often illegal things. They often post these videos and compromising photos on the web themselves.

It’s like the old story about the ancient Romans going soft in the head due to lead cooking pots. This generation has gone soft maybe due to fluoride in the water or aluminum pots or something. Whatever the cause, they are clearly America’s dumbest generation.

TheBigOldDog on March 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Saltysam on March 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM

+1000!

Disturb the Universe on March 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

RepubChica on March 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I have a gripe with them too — no doubt whatsoever. They really are a bunch of lap dancers for the left. I have no problem with that belief whatsoever. I agree with it wholeheartedly!

Timing is everything, though.

In a time where people are losing their jobs, getting their pay cut, losing their investments, 401 K’s, other retirement stuff, I think something like this is utterly useless to us right now.

Plus, like others have pointed out, the Lamstream Media’s ratings are dropping even MORE recently. They are sinking further! No one cares! People aren’t tuning in, they are tuning out. I just feel like it is a mistake right now to go on about double standards. There are too many other pertinent issues that we have.

We have plenty of ammunition on the economy, for example. We should be unleashing the barrages right now, not fall back onto “Lil’ Biden does crack!”

yea, the Andrew Sullivans of the world piss me off like no tomorrow, but we have to look at the broad picture. People are seeing themselves being directly affected by every decision DC makes — its time for us to capitalize on the issues that do affect them, and point out how the left is dangerously out of touch — not how Lil Biden loves the crack.

We can point it out, I suppose, but lets not make pointing out media double standards part of our 2010 victory strategy.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM

You just don’t get it.

People don’t care. pay attention

30% will always vote republican. 30% will always vote democrat. 40% don’t pay attention unless it is 2 weeks before an election or salacious.

If we want to win, we need to hammer these people on actual issues that MATTER to people

I’ve got news for ya, pal. No one who needs to be persuaded is here this morning. They could care less about what you or I think. They listen to NPR and think that makes them more cerebral without stopping to even contemplate that it is a government owned and leftist controlled. The overwhelming majority of that 40% who doesn’t pay attention live conservative lives. They live by conservative ethics and principles. But they have a childlike belief in the media, if the msm says it, it must be true. And what the media is saying is that conservatives are mean and authoritarian and anti liberty. They are telling them that conservatives are corrupt and hypocritical and have messed up children. And they are buying it because they go to the polls and vote for a party whose intentions are the antithesis of how they live and how they want this country to be. ed shouldn’t have been doing his usual moral relativist bit (that seems to appear mostly with liberals), he should have been writing a post demanding that the msm live by it’s own rules.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Look at that photo of Joe in the story below and tell me he hasn’t done a line with her.

Reviewing the Hot Air stories further, you would have to add that Obama and Clinton were also partaking. Perhaps it is an indication that the best way to get through the next 4 years IS through the use of hallucinagenics and other reality-altering pharmaceuticals.

Mutnodjmet on March 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Hrmmmmm… I seem to recall a certain big-eared olympic swimmer who was reportedly smoking pot on a video. But I don’t seem to recall any impassioned “does this inform us of public policy, competence or integrity in office, or corruption or abuse of power” when the many blogs of this same goofy-looking natator cluttered up the Hotair headlines.

Once again, your worm-like spinelessness has led you down the path of hypocrisy, Ed.

TMK on March 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Run with it. Queensbury rules died a long time ago. Taking the high road gets you nowhere fast. Play to win every time. Go for the jugular. Rumors alone can destroy. Use them. Propagate them. Destroy your opponent if you have even half a chance. Since wielding a sword seems out of the question, then your only way to make a difference is with the pen. If you are not even willing to use that, the battle for the nation is already lost.

That is how the real world works in politics and business. Either you play by the rules of the real world, or you go home. Political blogging is not an Olympic sport with rules. It’s not journalism. It’s simply warfare that needs to serve a very specific endgame.

If political blogging were the Simpsons, Hot Air is blogged by Ned Flanders, the church going nice guy Ed, and Bart Simpson, the irascible curmudgeon but principled Allahpundit. But political blogging is not the Simpsons. The left is trying to destroy America as we know it and using every tool at their disposal with success. It’s rather exasperating to see that conservatism’s most prominent blog is managed by two cartoon characters who want no part of the endgame.

keep the change on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Perhaps it is an indication that the best way to get through the next 4 years IS through the use of hallucinagenics and other reality-altering pharmaceuticals.

Mutnodjmet on March 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM

The Obama administration is so bad even the VP’s daughter has to be numb to endure it.
:)

Disturb the Universe on March 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Liberals want us to play in the mud, my friend.

They want us to do anything but expose their ignorance on the economy, foreign affairs, or social issues.

Don’t give them what they want.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

f you wanna hang out you’ve got to take Ashley out; cocaine.
If you wanna get Ashley down, down on the ground; cocaine.
Ashley don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie; cocaine.

If you got bad news, you wanna kick them blues; cocaine.
When your day is done and you wanna run; cocaine.
Ashley don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie; cocaine.

If your thing is gone and you wanna ride on Ashley; cocaine.
Don’t forget this fact, you can’t get Ashley back; cocaine.
Ashley don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie; cocaine.

Ashley don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie; cocaine.

TheBigOldDog on March 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM

They really are a bunch of lap dancers for the left.

LoL…only bb would come up with a metaphor like this, that hot-blooded beta Red male. ;-) Gotcha, comrade…

RepubChica on March 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM

So what if she has done (what ever). “Faux pas Joe” is the VP. He provides enough fodder for ridicule for ten men.

TheSitRep on March 29, 2009 at 11:59 AM

RepubChica on March 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM

my blood is not blue, or red

but beta

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Campaign slogan for 2012:

Vote for Joe
His daughter does blow

Disturb the Universe on March 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Vote for Joe
His daughter does blow

Disturb the Universe on March 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM

LOL that made me laugh rilly hard

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

They want us to do anything but expose their ignorance on the economy, foreign affairs, or social issues.

Don’t give them what they want.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I disagree. I think we play right into their hands by ignoring stuff like this.

changer1701 on March 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Liberals want us to play in the mud, my friend.

They want us to do anything but expose their ignorance on the economy, foreign affairs, or social issues.

Don’t give them what they want.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

We can do both. NOT going after the Biden girl, a Delaware social worker and board member of spme YMCA type org, will not make the dems take it easy on GOP candidates’ kids, even minors are fair game to the donks.

If the video is real, the Biden girl should lose her job, her board membership. She works with kids, so it’s “for the children”

clnurnberg on March 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

They want us to do anything but expose their ignorance on the economy, foreign affairs, or social issues.

Where are you going to expose it? Where? Tell me and I’ll throw my full support behind it. People go to the movies, watch tv for 5 hours a day, listen to music radio, all controlled by the left. What station are you on and when should I tune in to hear you? They control the media, they destroy politicians they don’t agree with for making an inoccuous statement to an old man at his 100th birthday party. They hound a pregnant teenage girl. I’m sorry for this girl, when I was 27 I was out of control but had the best intentions. But her father is not only part of the game, but an active participant by his own choice. I’d like to hear what he’s had to say about the peccadiloes of gingrich or trent lott’s kind remark to a dying old man. They control the game, the only way we can change it or win it is by forcing them to play by the same rules.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Willie smokes pot but doesn’t inhale. clue #1. He married Hillary, clue #2. Dogged the draft, clue #3. Who’s clueless?

lasertex on March 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

We can do both. NOT going after the Biden girl, a Delaware social worker and board member of spme YMCA type org, will not make the dems take it easy on GOP candidates’ kids, even minors are fair game to the donks.

If the video is real, the Biden girl should lose her job, her board membership. She works with kids, so it’s “for the children”

clnurnberg on March 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

If we do both, I’d be okay with that. Im just afraid we’re going to become a bunch of whiners, always going on in the public square about the unfair media.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

The Post should have left this alone, and so should the blogosphere.

I love ya, Ed, but why even mention it here if you really think so?

Disturb the Universe on March 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

So what’s the point, except to take a cheap shot at a public official we may not like?

Because they have done it a 100x and a 100x more nasty to our side. And don’t anyone give me this crap that we are better than they are. When time after time you refuse to fight fire with fire, you’re an idiot.

Blake on March 29, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Ed doesn’t shake nitro glycerin to see if it’s fresh. He smells it.

lasertex on March 29, 2009 at 12:08 PM

I would say leave it alone. Except I’d like to point out everyone’s who’s being honest knows if Palin’s kids did something like this or even farted in public it is somehow front page news.

gsherin on March 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

If the dems are to stop attacking GOP kids it will only be because the price of doing so is very high.

The Biden chick has to have a license in social work to practice. I wonder what Delaware state law says about substance impaired professionals?

clnurnberg on March 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

They want us to do anything but expose their ignorance on the economy, foreign affairs, or social issues.

Don’t give them what they want.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Are you kidding me?

I want a full frontal assault on all fronts.

You make the “playing in the mud” analogy, and I believe that is a mis-characterization.

I liken their tactics more to “executing their adversaries in the back of the head”.

Saltysam on March 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

This Adult Daughter of this Public Official has a record of run-ins with the law, including an arrest (yes, conveniently dropped later by a city government friendly to the Official; and what does that say?) for interfering with a Police Officer and other drug offenses. If this was a once-in-a-lifetime deal – yeah, move on. But there is an arrogance toward “the little people” evident in this Daughter; who is the role model for same?

Immaterial? OK; you be the Judge, but is it really irrelevant to report the story so you can be?

ManUFan on March 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I love ya, Ed, but why even mention it here if you really think so?

Disturb the Universe on March 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Plausible deniability.

TheBigOldDog on March 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Saltysam on March 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

I’m afraid I’m not joking.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

If you go after the daughter, remember that Biden’s son Beau went to Iraq and his first wife and their daughter were killed in a car wreck back in 1972. They had gone out to get a Christmas tree or something and were broadsided by a truck.

What happens if the press asks him what it is like to lose a child, risk losing another and to have to deal with the fact that yet another {grown} child might be involved in something that could ruin her life?

Leave it be. You never know where something like this can lead. A lot of Americans have problems like this in their families, it might make him more sympathetic.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Thank you.

It all seems like a really good idea at first, until people are even more convinced that we’re a bunch of cold hearted c*cksuckers

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM

ManUFan:

Most people who lack respect for the law are not the daughters of the VP. The inner cities are full of people like this.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:14 PM

balantblue:

Tis true. That was awful about his family, I remember seeing him cry in public and thinking that even guys like that can be heartbroken.

Leave it alone.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Palin’s son served too. Didn’t make the dem media machine any more sympathetic and did not drum up any public sympathy either.

Biden’s first wife CAUSED the accident, she was at fault, despite his villifying of the trucker. Convenient that dems get a pass on this too.

clnurnberg on March 29, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM

you would think people would be more open to focusing on spending, liberty and tyranny, and nat. sec.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Most people who lack respect for the law are not the daughters of the VP. The inner cities are full of people like this.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:14 PM

So, let’s see: this is a problem, then, rampant in society at all levels. So let’s not look at the causes for any of it? Just shuffle along, and live with it, eh?

ManUFan on March 29, 2009 at 12:18 PM

balantblue:

No kidding. It is not as if there are not legitimate criticisms to be made.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:19 PM

A coked up child welfare worker should be terminated.

clnurnberg on March 29, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden does Coke along with his daughter. There are many elected in the House, Senate that do drugs. They don’t have to drug test. They should have to drug test and it should be done randomly. They make us drug test for jobs. Lets make it more fair.

sheebe on March 29, 2009 at 12:20 PM

It all seems like a really good idea at first, until people are even more convinced that we’re a bunch of cold hearted c*cksuckers

Great. And then when we are 3 days away from taking this country back in 2012 and the press explodes some nonsensicle or even false scandal and we lose because we have allowed the double standard to be played all along we will feel so morally superior.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Man:

I did not say that. You said that this had something to do with a lack of respect for the little people, or something like that. I am simply pointing out that plenty of little people do illicit drugs. In fact plenty of libertarians think we should just nix the entire war on drugs as a lost cause. And they do not intend to be elitists.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Leave it be. You never know where something like this can lead. A lot of Americans have problems like this in their families, it might make him more sympathetic.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Yeah, just like all the crap about Bristol’s pregnancy made them more sympathetic because lots of families deal with that? Worrying about what folks might think of conservatives at this point is counterproductive in and of itself.

changer1701 on March 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM

All the people pointing out that the left would take advantage of something like this in a heartbeat are, of course, right.

But I’ll hold with Ed as long as the identity has not been confirmed. If it’s confirmed to be her, then it’s news, unfair or not.

Of course, it’s still not big news.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 29, 2009 at 12:22 PM

They want us to do anything but expose their ignorance on the economy, foreign affairs, or social issues.

Don’t give them what they want.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Are you kidding me?

I want a full frontal assault on all fronts.

You make the “playing in the mud” analogy, and I believe that is a mis-characterization.

I liken their tactics more to “executing their adversaries in the back of the head”.

Saltysam on March 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

I just want to hear some mealy-mouthed lefty say that a politician’s family is off limits. The left is the segment that’s gone scorched-earth in regards to Palin.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I’d like to see President Giggles take a pee test.

Larry Sinclair can administer it.

ex-Democrat on March 29, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Great. And then when we are 3 days away from taking this country back in 2012 and the press explodes some nonsensicle or even false scandal and we lose because we have allowed the double standard to be played all along we will feel so morally superior.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:20 PM

So we should ignore this because the liberal press will remember that we dropped it, and won’t do what they usually do at the last minute (anybody remember Dan Rather?).

ManUFan on March 29, 2009 at 12:23 PM

peacenprosperity:

What makes you think that the kind of people who actually like Biden will even care about this? When someone leaked that information about Bush driving dui years ago, it was not the liberals or even the Independents that refused to vote for the man..it was by and large the kind of people who care about whether or not a man took a drink or did drugs at an early age.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Am I the only one who remembers pictures of the Bush girls dancing – drunk!- all over the National Enquirer?

MayBee on March 29, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I did not say that. You said that this had something to do with a lack of respect for the little people, or something like that. I am simply pointing out that plenty of little people do illicit drugs. In fact plenty of libertarians think we should just nix the entire war on drugs as a lost cause. And they do not intend to be elitists.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM

And I said, if this was a one-time thing – OK, forget it. But it’s not. She’s demonstrated a pattern, which includes an arrest for interfering with a police officer. Have we heard a public clamor for legalizing that?

ManUFan on March 29, 2009 at 12:25 PM

But I’ll hold with Ed as long as the identity has not been confirmed. If it’s confirmed to be her, then it’s news, unfair or not.

This is really funny and enlightening at the same time. No wonder republican politicians seem to have no balls. If we ignore it and then they ignore it then who exactly will find out what is true?

Amazing how many cowtow to the left. Where does the inferiority complex towards our ruling leftist masters come from? barry’s illegal immigrant aunt is off the table. biden’s illegal drug taking daughter is off the table. No wonder they think they are above us, even those who prfess to be the opposition give them that position.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM

ddrintn:

Actually I don’t think it was all the left that went after Palin, plenty on the right did the same.

I just think it is the press going after people because they think it will sell.

I remember after that pilot landed the plane in the Hudson, it was no time before some reporter was running stories about his grades and his supposed lack of intelligence. They just could not leave the man alone.

It is like the octomom syndrome. They are vultures on road kill.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Amazing how many cowtow to the left. Where does the inferiority complex towards our ruling leftist masters come from? barry’s illegal immigrant aunt is off the table. biden’s illegal drug taking daughter is off the table. No wonder they think they are above us, even those who prfess to be the opposition give them that position.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM

+1000!!!

changer1701 on March 29, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Well, I have to go.

I’m confident I’ll be saying “I told you so” eventually.

Whining about the media double standards does not win elections. It does not change people’s minds. Once you realize the media is not the singular arbiter of electoral outcomes, I think you’ll come around.

Yea — so Obama won this year. It was the economy taking a crap on America that did it. McCain’s campaign also did a piss poor job. If the economy never tanked, and the McCain camp bothered to run a strong campaign, nothing the media could have done would change that. It isn’t just “the media.” Lots of things came together to give us a loss, and if even just a couple of those variables were different, we could have won, judging by how close it was in the end, even with all the odds stacked against us.

We don’t need to defeat the media to win. It’s a waste of time trying to conquer an establishment that less, and less, and now LESS Americans pay attention to. Exposing their hypocrisy on the economy, on the war, and on society is key to victory. The discussion of liberty and tyranny is key, not going on about Larry King and Norah O’Donnell. People are being directly affected by the economy right now, and in the next few years they’ll be affected by terrorism again. We need to show them our ideas and leadership. People aren’t attracted to whiners and “woe is me”ers.

I’m off to play at some hole in the wall club — cya. Glad we kept it civil.

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM

who actually like Biden will even care about this?

Come into a conversation in the middle, try to get caught up. This is what I said earlier, go back and read the rest if clarity is important to you.

30% will always vote republican. 30% will always vote democrat. 40% don’t pay attention unless it is 2 weeks before an election or salacious.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Leave that young woman alone! Let’s not judge a grown woman for illegal actions with dangerous substances that are killing poor black communities.

Shouldn’t we all be focusing on important issues, like Trig Palin’s diaper pail?

Laura in Maryland on March 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM

peacenprosperity:

What makes you think this will hurt Biden and help Republicans? This young woman is not a child. It seems to me that some folks here of late have developed this idea that grown children are extensions of their parents rather than being autonomous individuals who rise and fall on their own.

I just think that until we at least know what is really going on it might be a good idea to leave it alone. And even if it is true, we do not know how people will react. There are all sorts of people from all sorts of families who have relatives struggling with addictions of all kinds.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Exposing their hypocrisy on the economy, on the war, and on society is key to victory.

Just real quick — I meant exposing “their” as in the Democrats — not the media.

K bye

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM

plenty on the right did the same.

No, members of the self annointed ruling elite who play the “conservative” role attacked Palin.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I wonder what Delaware state law says about substance impaired professionals?

clnurnberg on March 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

They elect them Senators and later vice Presidents.

portlandon on March 29, 2009 at 12:32 PM

ddrintn:

Actually I don’t think it was all the left that went after Palin, plenty on the right did the same.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Sure they did, after Kos Kiddies and their ilk made it OK. The “righties” (mostly pseudo-righties) were just engaging in some piling-on.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 12:33 PM

It is like the octomom syndrome. They are vultures on road kill.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Octomom brought the circus on herself. Sulley is a hero; and petty, jealous idiots tried to bring him down.

Laura in Maryland on March 29, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Good move Ed. Hot Air is a cut above, let’s keep it that way.

Zorro on March 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM

And you know something? I think a lot of people were actually more sympathetic to Palin because they could see that the press was not condescending to her.

I have no problem with fighting the left or standing up the media or whatever, but I am just not sure exploiting something like this will do either.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I meant to say people were more sympathetic to Palin because they could see the press was condescending to her. I really should use preview.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:35 PM

What makes you think this will hurt Biden and help Republicans? This young woman is not a child.

there ya go again, not having any idea what this conversation is about just injecting your post moral relativism into the conversation. It is not about her. It’s sad that someone who can be descibed as innocent, and that is used loosely and subject to debate, gets hurt. But it’s not about her, it’s about the tactics used by the media to effect our political system. Do you not get that the media just determined who our two candidates for president would be and then ensured that their chosen candidate won? This is all the same thing. We cannot let them choose the way the game is played and then not hold them to the same standards. There will be no moral superiority when they are choosing what is moral.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM

laura:

If it was not for the fact that press jumps all over crap like that it is highly unlikely the octomom would ever had done what she did. The media loves heart ache. They love disasters. They love building people up and tearing them down.

What was that old Don Henley song? Dirty Laundry or something like that.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Can anyone tell me who exactly will give the Right points for leaving this alone? The media? Hahaha…yeah, I can see Katie Couric taking a few minutes to thank us before she signs off for the evening. Democrat politicians? Um, no. The Lefty blogosphere? No…they’re still making hay out of Eric Cantor attending a political event at a Spears concert. The American people in general? No, because they won’t know about it probably. If they do know about it and we sit on our hands, then the only narrative they’ll hear is the Lefty one.

changer1701 on March 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM

True it should be dropped as it is only allegation and hearsay at the moment. But let’s say the video emerges and it is Ashley Biden. What then? Ashley Biden is not a public figure, merely a public servant – a social worker employed by the Delaware Department of Children, Youth and Families..

saint on March 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I think a lot of people were actually more sympathetic to Palin because they could see that the press was not condescending to her.

Wow. You and I are definitely not on the same planet.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM

peacenpropserity”

What are you talking about? Has this allegation been proved? Have charges been made? Is there some proof of a cover up?

I am saying that running with something like this without all the facts and trying to use it for politic purposes might back fire. That has nothing to do with moral relativism for heavens sake.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Yes, and wasn’t there some talk about keeping Joe’s seat warm for Beau when he gets out of the service? Now, should this be true, would it help or hurt Beau’s chances if it’s exploited? Or be neutral?

jeanie on March 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Wow. You and I are definitely not on the same planet.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM

She corrected herself

blatantblue on March 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM

peacenprosperity:

That was a typo and you know it.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM

jeanie:

I do not know.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Sorry, Ed.
The rules for this ‘game’ have already been established. (re: Bush twin’s drinking, Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy, Cheney’s daughter’s sexuality, etc…)
If we choose not to play, it’s our loss.
Biden’s daughter, Obama’s aunt, and anything else that comes down the road is fair game.
Only until the left see’s that we, too, will play dirty, is there any chance of this nonsense finally going away for both sides.
Until then, nail em!

JRDFLA on March 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM

How about we give her as much deference as she’d get if her last name was “Palin.”

It's Vintage, Duh on March 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I’m with ya. They were both to blame. She was looking for a payday and they were looking for a golden goose, but that venture laid an egg (so to speak).

Laura in Maryland on March 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Yes, I did correct myself. I think the media went after Palin because they saw her as a hick, someone who was not from the big cities, too rural. Not LA or NY enough and I don’t think that just included the liberal media either. I think a lot of people who like to pretend there is no life outside of the Beltway or NYC or Los Angeles were turned off by Palin and saw her only in terms of stereotype.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Laura:

Yes. There are a lot of people out there like that. And it seems worse since cable news came along.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:43 PM

If it was not for the fact that press jumps all over crap like that it is highly unlikely the octomom would ever had done what she did.

Oh Terrye. You know I admire your thinking, but it is NOT the press’s fault that Octomom did what she did.

MayBee on March 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM

There are all sorts of people from all sorts of families who have relatives struggling with addictions of all kinds.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Right. And assuming the story is true, nearly 100% of them are not members of the immediate family of the Office of the VP, second in line to the leader of the free-world post, which equates to: controversial, newsworthy story…at least this is what they used on Palin…remember the “what if McCain dies and that leggy moose-hunter with the five kidz and snowmobiling hubby becomes our president?” meme. LoL!

RepubChica on March 29, 2009 at 12:47 PM

MayBee:

I am sure there are some really complicated psychological factors involved in what that sad silly woman did. However, I think the desire for fame was part of what drove her. And the media was more than happy to feed off the whole thing.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Plus, with all the constant chatter on this blog about Megan McCain in the past few weeks, the whole “child of politician isn’t newsworthy” thing seems to ring a little hollow.

MayBee on March 29, 2009 at 12:50 PM

What is it about their father being a Democratic VP that makes these kids turn to drugs? First there was Gore’s kid, now Biden’s… Wait, maybe it’s not the party, it’s the parenting…

cbconnolly on March 29, 2009 at 12:51 PM

RepubChica:

Yes, assuming it is true. I am not arguing about that. By the same token, lots of people have pregnant teenage daughters too but most of them are not running for the Vice Presidency.

That did not make treating the girl like a slut okay.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:51 PM

She corrected herself

I don’t know what you guys are talking about, I know exactly what she was trying to say and that’s the perception that I think is off. I know women who are exactly like Sarah Palin and hate her. They hate her because the msm tells them to hate her. That’s the whole point. Know one here is saying it is the right thing that this girl should be destroyed or that her father should be destroyed because of her actions. They are saying that the media will never stop destroying conservatives and using their families to destroy them as long as they are allowed to practice a double standard. By ignoring this on the pretense that it makes us morally superior just strengthens and encourages the media. We treat talking heads, people who are chosen for their looks and the sound of their voices like holy men who can’t be challenged. Anyone here who thinks this should be ignored and the hypocrisy should not be called out is surrendering one more battle. There are not to many battles left, folks. The left sees the light at the end of the tunnel and they are going all out with an arrogance and tenacity we have never seen in this country. Keep ceding these small battles ad the war will be over soon.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:52 PM

I think a lot of people were actually more sympathetic to Palin because they could see that the press was not condescending to her.

Wow. You and I are definitely not on the same planet.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I’d have to agree with peacenpriosperity there. The fact that the slime job was so effective can be seen in the continued traction of Tina Fey’s “I can see Russia from my house!”

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 12:52 PM

But Terrye- it’s like saying “If water wasn’t wet….”
The press (or whatever there was at the time) has been printing stories about people’s crazy lives and making them famous for as long as there’s been the written word.

MayBee on March 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Maybee:

I think the whole child of a politician thing is getting lame. There are more serious problems to tackle right now.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM

If the alligation would have been Bristol Palin or Levi Johnston, the Kos and HuffPo would run wild the the story and so would the MSM. You have to admit the rank hypocrisy that exists here.

Analogs situation…NYT and John McCain’s alleged relationship with a lobbyist?

nazo311 on March 29, 2009 at 12:53 PM

If you go after the daughter, remember that Biden’s son Beau went to Iraq and his first wife and their daughter were killed in a car wreck back in 1972. They had gone out to get a Christmas tree or something and were broadsided by a truck.

What happens if the press asks him what it is like to lose a child, risk losing another and to have to deal with the fact that yet another {grown} child might be involved in something that could ruin her life?

Leave it be. You never know where something like this can lead. A lot of Americans have problems like this in their families, it might make him more sympathetic.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Hmmm…considering Biden has already been got “changing” the story on the truck accident(he said the driver was drunk and he wasn’t) this is not something he wants to bring up again. As I said earlier, this is a story that people can decide for themselves. We don’t need to push it, but we shouldn’t ignore it entirely. Public officials’ families do have an influence and if they have these kinds of issues it could lead to all kinds of problems…from blackmail to the way an official votes.

Now I’m going to go outside and enjoy one of our first truly Spring days.

Deanna on March 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM

MayBee:

To a certain extent that is true, but back when Kennedy was president you did not see a lot of stories about his womanizing. People did not run a lot of stories about FDR’s mistress. Even when Reagan was in office there was some discretion evident in reporting on his first wife or his children.

I think the 24 hour news thing has kind of opened up everything to news. It is like the constant Fox News alerts.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM

There are more serious problems to tackle right now.

Ok, Terrye. Give katie couric and brian williams and whoever the other talking head is a call this morning and tell them you want to talk about the real issues. I’m sure the tv trucks will be right over to your house because you are a sensible, calm, new kind of public figure just like obama.

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Deanna:

I am not talking about Biden bringing anything up. The deaths of his family members were a fact, not some story he invented to make himself look good.

I am just saying wait and see what is and is not true and ease up on pushing anything right now.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM

peacenprosperity:

I did not vote for Obama. I can not even watch a press conference with Obama.

Fine, run with this, make a big deal out of it and if turns out to be not quite true or if it blows up in your face, be happy.

Terrye on March 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM

and ease up on pushing anything right now.

Ok, you’re getting closer. Who will investigate this and find out the truth? cnn, nbc, abc, cbs, npr, msnbc,….?

peacenprosperity on March 29, 2009 at 1:00 PM

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