GM CEO resigns — at Obama’s behest

posted at 6:18 pm on March 29, 2009 by Allahpundit

If you want taxpayer money, you’re going to have to do things The One’s way. And if you don’t want taxpayer money, TurboTax Tim might swoop in and make sure you do things The One’s way anyway.

The era of economic Hopenchange has officially begun.

Wagoner’s departure is one of the remarkable strings attached to a new aid package the administration plans to offer GM.

The White House confirmed Wagoner was leaving at the government’s behest after The Associated Press reported his immediate departure, without giving a reason…

Industry sources had said the White House planned very tough medicine, which turned out to be an understatement. And it went to the very top. The measures to be imposed by the government will have a dramatic effect on workers, unions, suppliers, retirees and the communities where plants are located, the sources said.

Oddly enough, when Rasmussen polled the public in December, only 14 percent thought a GM run by the feds would outperform a GM run by the private sector. Exit question: Ever get the feeling that Obama’s not quite the centrist pragmatist Christopher Buckley thought he’d be?

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BTW, TN Mom, GM didn’t spend “bailout” money on the Brazilian plant (a country where they have had a presence for decades). That plant was begun and finished well before the Osama Obama-inspired meltdown of the economy began.

MrScribbler on March 29, 2009 at 10:51 PM

And, because there is no UAW entitlement program in Brazil, it’s very likely to be profitable.

califcon on March 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Very true. But GM management is also to blame for agreeing to the union contracts back in flush times. But, Mr Scribbler, the fact remains that the auto makers ARE being held hostage in a way that makes them far less competitive in labor costs.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM

BTW, TN Mom, GM didn’t spend “bailout” money on the Brazilian plant (a country where they have had a presence for decades). That plant was begun and finished well before the Osama Obama-inspired meltdown of the economy began.

MrScribbler on March 29, 2009 at 10:51 PM


Wrong.
GM used bailout money in Brazil:

Your tax dollars at work–
The Latin American Herald Tribune reported:

SAO PAULO — General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the beleaguered car maker.

According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the funding will come from the package of financial aid that the manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used to “complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012.”

“It wouldn’t be logical to withdraw the investment from where we’re growing, and our goal is to protect investments in emerging markets,” he said in a statement published by the business daily Gazeta Mercantil.

(via gatewaypundit)

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Saturday, January 31, 2009
GM Is Using $1 Billion of Its Bailout Money In
Brazil (Updated)

Saving American jobs… South American jobs.

You just can’t make this stuff up…
GM is using $1 billion of its bailout money to invest in Brazil.

(gatewaypundit)

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:04 PM

GM is using $1 billion of its bailout money to invest in Brazil.

(gatewaypundit)

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:04 PM

I do remember reading that. And wasn’t trying to argue with you. It’s just bewildering that GM would rather invest in Brazil than get tough with the UAW and run their US business right.

califcon on March 29, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Erm, no. GM can’t just “file bankruptcy.”

As I read the bankruptcy laws, I see no reason that Wagoner, still CEO of GM, cannot have a public news conference, announce that he, as CEO, is directing the CFO to file, and then start the paperwork. Or is there a bailout clause that prevents this?

In any event, the public atatement should be enough; it’s time to see if Obama can play poker.

Nobody except Uncle Sam could finance their bankruptcy. The only way GM gets filed is if the feds provide bankruptcy financing. And the act of filing without tons of preparation could cause a chain reaction of failures of suppliers, etc., which could take down other auto manufacturers.

I think you’re correct, but this is more of a humanitarian reason than a legal one.

The fact is that GM is no longer a private company. It’s been nationalized. If the Messiah wants you to resign, you resign. It’s that simple. It’s the American people who should be angry at the fact that our taxpayer dollars were used to nationalize two auto manufacturers.

Again, I think you’re correct, but the “nationalization” isn’t clear; is there any official paperwork, any laws invoked, any motions / judgements made?

Arbalest on March 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Arbalest on March 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Just this vague statement from Wagoner on his way out.

“We are anticipating an announcement soon from the Administration regarding the restructuring of the U.S. auto industry. We continue to work closely with members of the Task Force and it would not be appropriate for us to speculate on the content of any announcement,” the company said.

The surprise announcement about the classically iconic American corporation is perhaps the most vivid sign yet of the tectonic change in the relationship between business and government in this era of subsidies and bailouts.

chunderroad on March 29, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Time to restructure these too big to fail losers, fire the CEO’s and Board of Directors, get our money back, regulate, then back to business as usual.

getalife on March 29, 2009 at 11:19 PM

What a coincidence GM’s new car will be called the ACORN…

right2bright on March 29, 2009 at 11:20 PM

They can’t “get tough” with the union. If they could it would have been done years ago. They were investing in Brazil to become relevent in the US. They have to reduce cost per car to compete. It is very simple.
BTW, wrote a GM family friend in Detroit about Rick W and they didn’t know.
Tomorrow will be an interesting day.

ORconservative on March 29, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Time to restructure these too big to fail losers, fire the CEO’s and Board of Directors, get our money back, regulate, then back to business as usual.

getalife on March 29, 2009 at 11:19 PM

ROFL…getalife, you’re friggin’ hilarious.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 11:23 PM

I do remember reading that. And wasn’t trying to argue with you. It’s just bewildering that GM would rather invest in Brazil than get tough with the UAW and run their US business right.

califcon on March 29, 2009 at 11:07 PM

President TelePrompter has to give GM more bailout money lest they fail on his watch. Giving bailout money isn’t very popular with people these days, and obama knows that we know GM invested 1Billion of the last bailout in Brazil.

So, President TelePrompter will give GM billions more, but buys some favor with the people by kicking out the CEO. Buys favor with Unions by NOT kicking out the UAW president.

It’s classic Axlerod!

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:23 PM

“I’m not an auto industry executive, but I play one part-time on TV.” – Barry”SUV” Obama

You gotta love the way these Chicago boys take a company apart. All in good humor, of course.

T J Green on March 29, 2009 at 11:25 PM

When is he going to fire the UAW boss and take them over? After all, the union didn’t exactly bend to his wishes, did they?
And when is he going to fire all conservative talk radio hosts, fox news personnel and conservative Congressmen?

Christian Conservative on March 29, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Will Beck continue to air GM radio spots on his show?

lorien1973 on March 29, 2009 at 11:30 PM

getalife on March 29, 2009 at 11:19 PM

GM returning to ‘business as usual’? The UAW will now be in FULL control of GM: Get ready for GM autoworkers to make $170 per hour to sit around playing cards and collecting hefty retirement bonuses.

President TelePrompter will take credit for ‘saving/creating’ jobs, which of course will be paid by the taxpayers, including you!

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:30 PM

Saving American jobs… South American jobs.

You just can’t make this stuff up…
GM is using $1 billion of its bailout money to invest in Brazil.

(gatewaypundit)

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Throwing in a curve ball to ya TN Mom…..

The cars that both GM and Ford are building down in Brazil are all “flex fuel” autos and from what I’ve read, most of that countries autos only use this alternative, cost saving fuel.

Just google up Brazil and flex fuel and there are hundreds of stories. Brazil buys into flex-fuel cars
They run on gas, ethanol or any combination

It sounds like GM and Ford are making money down in Brazil and Toyata and Nissan are now jumping on the bandwagon without the stranglehold of the UAW

Why isn’t anyone talking about this “flex fuel” alternative?

Knucklehead on March 29, 2009 at 11:33 PM

getalife on March 29, 2009 at 11:19 PM

GM returning to ‘business as usual’? The UAW will now be in FULL control of GM: Get ready for GM autoworkers to make $170 per hour to sit around playing cards and collecting hefty retirement bonuses.

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:30 PM

LOL…well, that’s pretty much “business as usual”, which is why GM is in the shape it’s in. But be patient with getalife, an Obama voter. They believe the magic unicorns are going to show up any minute to fix the economy.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 11:33 PM

So everyone wants to know who Obama wants as head of GM.

Does anybody here know?

We might be able to rule out his aunt

MB4 on March 29, 2009 at 11:35 PM

MB4 on March 29, 2009 at 11:35 PM

He should choose Barney Frank or Maxine Waters.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 11:36 PM

It sounds like GM and Ford are making money down in Brazil and Toyata and Nissan are now jumping on the bandwagon without the stranglehold of the UAW

Why isn’t anyone talking about this “flex fuel” alternative?

Knucklehead on March 29, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Don’t know the answer. I saw a segment on tv about the flex fuel alternative in Brazil a few months back. Apparently it’s easy to produce and readily available.

Maybe it’s like the off-shore drilling situation last summer. Gas prices were soaring but Dems refused to drill, but other countries (China?) were flocking to drill!

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:41 PM

“What a coincidence GM’s new car will be called the ACORN…

right2bright on March 29, 2009 at 11:20 PM”

Yeah, I hear 50% of the sales have to be in urban areas with high unemployment, with no money down. What could go wrong?

Star20 on March 29, 2009 at 11:42 PM

President TelePrompter forces GM’s CEO to step down, but leaves UAW Ron Gettlefinger untouched. UAW outright refused to make conecessions even as GM was going belly-up.

Who will want to invest in a private company now? If the Unions don’t destroy them, our government will take them over.

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Labor unions may have begun as organizations designed to help exploited workers gain a level playing field against rapacious employers, but they always degenerate into de facto arms of the government. Every totalitarian movement of the last century began with the assistance of labor unions.

Unions are collectivist organizations who rely upon obedience from their membership for power – they have little to bring to the table if they can’t expect 80% or better compliance from the membership to the union leaders’ directives. It never takes long for union leadership to find itself in harmony with the agents of big government – they’re kindred souls and they can do business. Ironically, the relationship between the ruling government party and the unions is a reasonable business exchange: the unions have vast amounts of money and voting power to sell, and the ruling party buys it by increasing the advantage of the unions over employers through legislation.

American unions have long enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with the Democrat Party, enriching each other at the expense of businesses and taxpayers. It’s no surprise that organized crime is never lurking far from such a corrupt relationship. What’s more ominous is the past history of marriages between Big Labor and Big Government, which have always given birth to violent totalitarian movements. Adolf Hitler got his start in politics by infiltrating a labor movement, the German Workers’ Party, as a secret policeman, but he found their philosophy so appealing that he joined them in earnest. Marxism, of course, is designed to begin as an organized workers’ movement.

Of course it skirts the penumbra of Godwin’s Law to make these comparisons, but the point is not that America is teetering on the edge of literal Nazism or Communism. The point is that America is now, officially, a fascist state, with the government exercising direct control and ownership of major private industries, and openly making plans to take control of more. It is the peculiar madness of fascism that it requires the illusion of private ownership to remain in place – the companies controlled by the state are “run” by “private businessmen” who are utterly subservient to the state. This is a very advantageous situation for powerful labor unions, who exert so much influence in the government that union leadership essentially controls both employers and workers.

Whoever Obama installs as head of GM will serve at the pleasure of Barack Obama, who is in turn obviously eager to do the bidding of labor unions, as they are a major source of funding and votes for his party. The management of GM will, in turn, be forced to continue using an absurd business model that pays ridiculous benefit costs to union labor. Like everything else about statism, it’s a closed, insular, zero-sum system. It cannot end well, and when the needs of state-run industries require more from the taxpayers than they are willing to give – as it did in all of the totalitarian regimes of the early 20th century – the labor movement is likely to be called upon to “persuade” the taxpayers to submit.

Doctor Zero on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Why isn’t anyone talking about this “flex fuel” alternative?

Knucklehead on March 29, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Because Brazil’s ethanol is produced from sugar cane, which is inexpensive and efficient, several times more so than US corn based ethanol. Oh, and we tax Brazilian ethanol to keep it out of the US.

Maquis on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

LOL…well, that’s pretty much “business as usual”, which is why GM is in the shape it’s in. But be patient with getalife, an Obama voter. They believe the magic unicorns are going to show up any minute to fix the economy.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 11:33 PM

haha!

It will take a lot more than magic unicorns to fix the ginormous mess our children will inherit from President TelePrompter!

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

He should choose Barney Frank or Maxine Waters.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Or the outstanding leadership of Mr. Franklin Raines.

msmveritas on March 29, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Well this all just sucks.

D2Boston on March 29, 2009 at 11:46 PM

You don’t know what you’re doing, but do continue to attempt it. Those of us with organizing experience are laughing our asses off.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 9:53 PM

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Funny thing. Most of us have been busy doing things like, raising families, holding down real jobs, perhaps serving the country in the military, or doing volunteer work elsewhere.
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All much more important than rabble rousing is during normal times. These are not normal times. Once the wheels start turning, and the workers and doers ‘learn’ the basics of the things that you speak about, Yeah… Feel what a real wave of public pressure is like.
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See you April 15th… TEA anyone?
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RalphyBoy on March 29, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Whoever Obama installs as head of GM will serve at the pleasure of Barack Obama, who is in turn obviously eager to do the bidding of labor unions, as they are a major source of funding and votes for his party. The management of GM will, in turn, be forced to continue using an absurd business model that pays ridiculous benefit costs to union labor. Like everything else about statism, it’s a closed, insular, zero-sum system. It cannot end well, and when the needs of state-run industries require more from the taxpayers than they are willing to give – as it did in all of the totalitarian regimes of the early 20th century – the labor movement is likely to be called upon to “persuade” the taxpayers to submit.

Doctor Zero on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Is this legal?

Why do we need Unions? We have EEOC, a Federal Minium Wage, Child Labor laws, Work Comp, Unemployment Insurance, Lilly Ledbetter Act (signed by TOTUS)….

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Just got in from work and saw this story on the local news lede. Welcome to your future, where some fella with a GSA a pocket protector and a pad a pink slips is sitting in the corner office.

Limerick on March 29, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Why isn’t anyone talking about this “flex fuel” alternative?

Knucklehead on March 29, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Because Brazil’s ethanol is produced from sugar cane, which is inexpensive and efficient, several times more so than US corn based ethanol. Oh, and we tax Brazilian ethanol to keep it out of the US.

Maquis on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Sugar Cane, which we grow by the crapload in Hawaii..

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Protest signs, Tax Day 2009

MB4 on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Funny thing. Most of us have been busy doing things like, raising families, holding down real jobs, perhaps serving the country in the military, or doing volunteer work elsewhere.

Right because groups like Iraq Vets Against the War, weren’t serving their country before they became organizers. And people who organized for raising the minimum wage didn’t have families they were raising. And people in unions certainly don’t have jobs AND families. Wake up asshole, the people on the left in this country are PEOPLE just like you, with families and jobs, just like you and who make the decision to sacrifice their free time for causes they believe in rather than playing golf every saturday or watching a NASCAR race. Which are totally fine things to do, but don’t pretend like the reason you people have no clue how to organize a social movement is because you didn’t have “time” to before. No one has “time” to do that, it’s called belief in a cause. Try it out sometime.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Wake up asshole

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F U turd!

RalphyBoy on March 29, 2009 at 11:55 PM

No one has “time” to do that, it’s called belief in a cause. Try it out sometime.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Don’t worry, we will.

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 11:56 PM

it’s called belief in a cause. Try it out sometime.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Bwhahahahahahahahaha!

Belief in a cause? There is a trip wire. Not one of you on the left have any clue what belief in a cause means. We hold it dear, you hold it out like a git-outta-jail-card. Keep walking. Keep talking. Keep believing in your cause. When you hit the trip wire you’ll know it.

Limerick on March 29, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Wake up asshole, the people on the left in this country are PEOPLE just like you, with families and jobs, just like you and who make the decision to sacrifice their free time for causes they believe in rather than playing golf every saturday or watching a NASCAR race.

It’s just that being like Code Pink freaks isn’t us, ya know?

ddrintn on March 29, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Why isn’t anyone talking about this “flex fuel” alternative?

Knucklehead on March 29, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Because Brazil’s ethanol is produced from sugar cane, which is inexpensive and efficient, several times more so than US corn based ethanol. Oh, and we tax Brazilian ethanol to keep it out of the US.

Maquis on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Exactly. There are two sources of “flex-fuel” that would really help us reduce our dependency on foreign oil: sugar-based ethanol and coal-based methanol.

The former is strangled by the corn lobby with high import taxes (the same taxes, btw, that make cane sugar more expensive for use in processed foods than corn syrup). The latter is strangled by the green lobby, as you would expect. Lift restrictions on those two, and flex-fuel would be a viable alternative.

Check out Anne Korin’s speech to the Young America’s Foundation from this past summer. She’s really good at explaining the key issues of energy independence succinctly.

vermillionsky on March 29, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Doctor Zero on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Excellent synopsis……..

……. but am I correct in saying that such collaborations eventually fail?

Yes…… it is bloody, costly, and horrific,

……… but they all eventually fail, because those who once had the taste of “freedom”, and it is finally realized by those that they have lost it, the wake up call is loud and clear.

Also, “freedom” and “personal responsibility”, are not taught in our schools anymore………..

…….. and you have our “Free and Independent Press” totally in the pockets of the Liberal Democrats……

“Bloody, Costly, and Horrific…….”……

…… yeah, you can count on that.

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Because Brazil’s ethanol is produced from sugar cane, which is inexpensive and efficient, several times more so than US corn based ethanol. Oh, and we tax Brazilian ethanol to keep it out of the US.

Maquis on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

So we tax it to keep it out of the U.S. which brings right us back to the bigger problem…..

We don’t manufacture anything in this country anymore because we tax them all and they take their business and ingenuity to other countries.

Did you know that 95% of all vehicles in Egypt are powered by natural gas? And we have oodles of that too.

Knucklehead on March 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM

oh, and GM has already been moving their fleet to flex fuel on their own (most of their trucks come that way, I believe). Their goal is to have all of their vehicles flex fuel within a few years. It’s not that expensive to add the ability to use flex-fuel to a regular gasoline engine.

vermillionsky on March 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM

don’t pretend like the reason you people have no clue how to organize a social movement is because you didn’t have “time” to before. No one has “time” to do that, it’s called belief in a cause. Try it out sometime.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

I’ve been asleep for way too long.

I am fully awake now. The final straw was the stimulus bill that no one cared to read before passing this huge debt on we, the People. It was like someone poured ice-cold water in my face!

I am FULLY awake now!

Ready to Roar. Ready to March. Ready to TEA PARTY on April 15th!!!!!!!!!!

TN Mom on March 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Ford’s Most Advanced Assembly Plant (Rural Brazil)

Pretty fascinating stuff. No wonder manufacturers want to leave the USA!. The UAW will not allow this to happen in the USA. One look at this and each of you will instantly be able to tell what is wrong with the manufacturing plants of the US car makers and why there will probably never be another one built in the US. It will also point out why more will go off shore.

econavenger on March 30, 2009 at 12:02 AM

he people on the left in this country are PEOPLE just like you, with families and jobs, just like you and who make the decision to sacrifice their free time for causes they believe in rather than playing golf every saturday or watching a NASCAR race. Which are totally fine things to do, but don’t pretend like the reason you people have no clue how to organize a social movement is because you didn’t have “time” to before. No one has “time” to do that, it’s called belief in a cause. Try it out sometime.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Well, obviously playing golf every Saturday or watching a NASCAR race are not “totally fine things to do,” since while those inbred hillbillies are sucking down chili dogs at the track or hunting moose with their kids, your liberal friends are scurrying around and “organizing.” Evidently the family-values liberty-loving types are going to have to set aside the pursuits they have chosen for themselves, and start “organizing” too, while there’s still some free country left for them to defend. Otherwise they’re liable to pop into the office on Monday with a new NASCAR poster to hang on the wall of their cubicle, and find Obama’s picture hanging where the CEO’s photo used to be. Or perhaps they’ll run into the friendly representatives of the local 409, reminding them that thanks to Card Check, their ballots on the upcoming unionization initiative won’t be secret, so they’d better think long and hard about how they plan to vote.

I’m sure it would have warmed the Founders’ hearts to see that political activism is now a mandatory defensive measure that citizens must pursue at the expense of their chosen leisure activities, lest the “activists” from the other side seize total control of their lives.

Doctor Zero on March 30, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Sorry all, missed an italics close tag there.

Doctor Zero on March 30, 2009 at 12:07 AM

It is the peculiar madness of fascism that it requires the illusion of private ownership to remain in place – the companies controlled by the state are “run” by “private businessmen” who are utterly subservient to the state.

Doctor Zero on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Thank you. Great Post.

GunRunner on March 30, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Excellent synopsis……..

……. but am I correct in saying that such collaborations eventually fail?

Yes…… it is bloody, costly, and horrific,

……… but they all eventually fail, because those who once had the taste of “freedom”, and it is finally realized by those that they have lost it, the wake up call is loud and clear.

Also, “freedom” and “personal responsibility”, are not taught in our schools anymore………..

…….. and you have our “Free and Independent Press” totally in the pockets of the Liberal Democrats……

“Bloody, Costly, and Horrific…….”……

…… yeah, you can count on that.

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2009 at 12:01 AM

History has proven you tragically correct… they always fail, because they *can’t* work. If central planning of an advanced economy was effective, at least one of the many centrally planned economies of the world would have turned out to be something other than a violent psycho state, or an economic basket case. Collectivism in all its forms is doomed because it is a closed system, providing no incentive for growth, innovation, or risk taking. It is entirely concerned with dividing up the economic pie, including generous super-sized slices for the Party and its officials – and not at all concerned with growing that pie.

A simple thought has nagged at me since the AIG bonus debacle. Suppose a group of brilliant investors had appeared with a terrific business plan that was all but guaranteed to generate huge profits and push AIG into the black. In compensation, the investors ask for huge legally-guaranteed bonuses, the largest payoff ever for an investment group. The bonuses are a percentage of profits, so they will only be paid if the terrific business plan goes as anticipated. Here, in a nutshell, is the reason collectivism always fails: there is no free-market businessman in the world who would refuse this offer… and no politician in the world who would accept it.

Doctor Zero on March 30, 2009 at 12:14 AM

First the take-over of GM, a private owned company.

Next up, President TelePrompter will take over McDonalds and Walmart. He will appoint the new CEO’s and they will answer only to him. He will employ his ‘bottom-up’ economics just as he promised during the campaign.

Look at the thugs on the street as you drive to work tommorrow, and the faces of ACORN. They are the new CEO’s of GM, McDonalds, and Walmart.

We.Are.Screwed.

TN Mom on March 30, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Right because groups like Iraq Vets Against the War, weren’t serving their country before they became organizers. And people who organized for raising the minimum wage didn’t have families they were raising. And people in unions certainly don’t have jobs AND families. Wake up asshole, the people on the left in this country are PEOPLE just like you, with families and jobs, just like you and who make the decision to sacrifice their free time for causes they believe in rather than playing golf every saturday or watching a NASCAR race. Which are totally fine things to do, but don’t pretend like the reason you people have no clue how to organize a social movement is because you didn’t have “time” to before. No one has “time” to do that, it’s called belief in a cause. Try it out sometime.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

What a tool. Most conservatives don’t organize as a rent a mob primarily because they don’t see government as a solution, therefore the see no need to organize to complain about creating yet another entitlement program, they don’t want entitlement programs or legislation passed to regulate yet another sector of the economy or yet another after school program, etc.

I know there is an original thought in the mind of yours somewhere, it has yet to be displayed.

True_King on March 30, 2009 at 12:20 AM

First the take-over of GM, a private owned company.

Next up, President TelePrompter will take over McDonalds and Walmart. He will appoint the new CEO’s and they will answer only to him. He will employ his ‘bottom-up’ economics just as he promised during the campaign.

Look at the thugs on the street as you drive to work tommorrow, and the faces of ACORN. They are the new CEO’s of GM, McDonalds, and Walmart.

We.Are.Screwed.

TN Mom on March 30, 2009 at 12:15 AM

He already has his personal czars so that he controls cabinet positions without Congress having to vet them. That’s a nice Mussolini like runaround the Constitution.

Dude is consolidating power bigtime, then it’s on to the New World Order baby! I can’t wait.

True_King on March 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM

I’m sure it would have warmed the Founders’ hearts to see that political activism is now a mandatory defensive measure that citizens must pursue at the expense of their chosen leisure activities, lest the “activists” from the other side seize total control of their lives.

Doctor Zero on March 30, 2009 at 12:07 AM

*wipes tears*

*picks up pitchfork*………

TN Mom on March 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM

What everybody else has said about this rank amateur and full fledged Maoist. He’s going to drive this country into bankruptcy and sell it to China.

SeniorD on March 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM

He’s going to drive this country into bankruptcy and sell it to China.

SeniorD on March 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM

I’m afraid their not buying either.

Knucklehead on March 30, 2009 at 12:25 AM

We.Are.Screwed.

TN Mom on March 30, 2009 at 12:15 AM

That is what DeathToMedia wants us to think.

Being zombies the lefties can’t understand that the one thing they are accomplishing is pushing you average Joe and Jane off the fence. Joe and Jane aren’t going to take that kindly.

Limerick on March 30, 2009 at 12:26 AM

don’t pretend like the reason you people have no clue how to organize a social movement is because you didn’t have “time” to before. No one has “time” to do that, it’s called belief in a cause. Try it out sometime.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 29, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Bullshit in your face. Lefties “organize” in lieu of having potlucks. There is absolutely no difference between using “Civil Disobedience” (or “Doing CD”, as the lefties term it) for your social life and joining a bowling league, except bowlers don’t wear stupid costumes.

Don’t give me that “belief in a cause” horseshit, either. I’ve known lefties since Pete Seeger was in the Army, and it’s ALWAYS about peer pressure.

warbaby on March 30, 2009 at 12:33 AM

I’m sure it would have warmed the Founders’ hearts to see that political activism is now a mandatory defensive measure that citizens must pursue at the expense of their chosen leisure activities, lest the “activists” from the other side seize total control of their lives.

Doctor Zero on March 30, 2009 at 12:07

AM

Reminder to all that our voices are registering, (albeit not reported on MSM):

The outcry of people has stopped TOTUS from mandating that Veterans pay their own medical bills.

Cap & Trade is running afoul with some Democrats.

Rush ratings soared when TOTUS attacked.

Mark Levin had throngs of people at his book signing this weekend and the book is #1 on amazon.

Don’t ask, Don’t tell is being stalled.

CNN falls to last place, while Fox grows 35%.

RNC outraises DNC.

Although President TelePrompter campaigned nearly 2 weeks (Leno, Press Conf, TownHalls) support for his budget drops by four points!

TOTUS and Dems have to know these facts…and they are, after all, politians. Politians who like their jobs….

TEA PARTY!

TN Mom on March 30, 2009 at 12:34 AM

It is the peculiar madness of fascism that it requires the illusion of private ownership to remain in place – the companies controlled by the state are “run” by “private businessmen” who are utterly subservient to the state.

Doctor Zero on March 29, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Thank you. Great Post.

GunRunner on March 30, 2009 at 12:07 AM

+1

warbaby on March 30, 2009 at 12:35 AM

What would happen if Wagoner said no?

liquidflorian on March 30, 2009 at 12:35 AM

politians = Politicians

TN Mom on March 30, 2009 at 12:36 AM

The big one drops on GM and Chrysler:

Feds declare GM, Chrysler not viable, refuse more aid

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Monday will reject requests for almost $22 billion in new taxpayer bailout money for General Motors Corp. and Chrysler, saying the car makers have failed to take steps to ensure their viability.

The government sought the departure of GM chief Rick Wagoner and said the company needed to be widely restructured if it had any hope of survival. It said it would provide the company with 60 days operating capital to give it time to undertake reforms.

The government will grant Chrysler 30 days operating funds, but said it must merge with another carmaker in order to remain viable. Talks with Italian carmaker Fiat are underway.

starfleet_dude on March 30, 2009 at 12:40 AM

All the Asian Markets down between 2 – 3 %

TOKYO, March 30 (Reuters) – Japan’s Nikkei average extended its losses to fall 2.7 percent on Monday, after the Obama administration autos task force rejected the turnaround plans of General Motors Corp (GM.N) and Chrysler LLC.

The benchmark Nikkei .N225 slid 234.22 points to 8,392.75, while the broader Topix dropped 2.8 percent to 801.14.

The dollar slipped 0.7 percent to 97.32 yen , while the euro extended its losses to 128.48 yen , down 1.3 percent on the day (Reporting by Rika Otsuka)

msmveritas on March 30, 2009 at 12:42 AM

I predict that everyone commenting in this thread will end up in a FEMA camp.

Mark1971 on March 29, 2009 at 6:39 PM

That’s why I’m not going to say a word.

Oops.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 30, 2009 at 12:45 AM

Obama will be another lincoln in that he will spark a War within. just a matter of time at this rate.

jp on March 30, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Mark1971 on March 29, 2009 at 6:39 PM

That is the one thing that is nice about being an old gas passing global warming fart…we don’t care. Kids are grown, gone, and paying their own damn bills. I’ll be dead (or staring at a ceiling) in ten years anyway. Ten years ain’t squat. I get to choose to spend that ten years in a camp, or ten years outside the wire. I’ll take five days outside the wire over ten years inside it any day.

Limerick on March 30, 2009 at 12:55 AM

I get to choose to spend that ten years in a camp, or ten years outside the wire. I’ll take five days outside the wire over ten years inside it any day.

Limerick on March 30, 2009 at 12:55 AM

Me too, brother.

warbaby on March 30, 2009 at 12:58 AM

starfleet_dude on March 30, 2009 at 12:40 AM

From the article you linked:

Another senior administration official, also demanding anonymity, denied that the administration required Wagoner’s ouster. But officials acknlowledged they wanted a fresh start at GM and Wagoner agreed to step aside. Other executives are also expected to depart.

Classic Obama double talk here denying they demanded Wagoner’s ouster but admitting they wanted a fresh start and Wagoner agreed. What bull.
Nice cartoon though calling bull on Obama speak.

msmveritas on March 30, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Dr. Zero

Never
Stop
Posting

Your clarity is remarkable. I love how these shitbag lefties can never make answer to your posts.

swash_plate on March 30, 2009 at 1:13 AM

What would happen if Wagoner said no?

liquidflorian on March 30, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Hill would probably ask Rahm to schedule a tour of Fort Marcy Park.

viking01 on March 30, 2009 at 1:16 AM

Us bible clinging bitter country folk won’t ask what Wagoner would do.

We ask:

“What would Captain Walker do?”

We already know the answer…….

Limerick on March 30, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Resignation?? Resignation is far too lenient for Barry, Barney, Chrissie D., San Fran Nan & Filthy Harry.

10 consecutive life terms in a Turkish prison is too merciful a sentence for their arrogant, insane, unbelievable, powergrabbing; their MULTI-generational theivery and soon-to-come DESTRUCTION of free market America, our great nation whose death we are witnessing before our very eyes.

Please, someone come up with a place we can meet en masse to protest. We must also have some constitutional scholars on this site who will use their brainpower to apply the law to OUR advantage so that we can IMPEACH THEM ALL!!!

tigerlily on March 30, 2009 at 1:19 AM

Hill would probably ask Rahm to schedule a tour of Fort Marcy Park.

viking01 on March 30, 2009 at 1:16 AM

I’ve been expecting Geithner to show up there myself.

Maquis on March 30, 2009 at 1:19 AM

I like to see a man proud of the place in which he lives. I like to see a man live so that his place will be proud of him. ~Abraham Lincoln

Beat MLK by 105 years.

Limerick on March 30, 2009 at 1:23 AM

For those who wish to know a bit about Flex Fuel…

It simply will not work in America. We do not have the Fresh water resources needed for large amounts of cane sugar…

Switch grass may someday be an alternative, but the tech aint there yet….

Compressed Natrual Gas, of which we have an abundance, is the way to go…. cleaner, tech is there, and the gas is available…

But like Nuclear power for Electricity, for some reason the Government just won’t go there…

Romeo13 on March 30, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Maquis on March 30, 2009 at 1:19 AM

I’m sure Secretary Turbo has already been warned.

Should Dodd and Frank and others in on the sub-prime scam start to crack I won’t be surprised if Zero and Hillary call in William “Boom Boom” Ayers to give a noisy demonstration or arrange a Ron Brown sayonara redux.

viking01 on March 30, 2009 at 1:33 AM

viking01 on March 30, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Interesting times indeed.

Maquis on March 30, 2009 at 1:44 AM

Here, in a nutshell, is the reason collectivism always fails: there is no free-market businessman in the world who would refuse this offer… and no politician in the world who would accept it.

Doctor Zero on March 30, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Yet isn’t that Geithner’s plan to the tee……..

…….. “We want a Public Private Partnership to buy up the Toxic Assets.”

Who’s first…………

…… the betting window is open, and the government will be happy to take your cash, along with your address, identity, and your bank account number.

Just ask that former CEO of GM……….

………… what’s his name?

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2009 at 1:47 AM

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

Speakup on March 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM

1000 by morning Allah…………

…….. especially by those who have read the entire thread.

Good night……

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2009 at 2:09 AM

Fritz Henderson new GM CEO.

canditaylor68 on March 30, 2009 at 2:15 AM

I see by the wording in the announcement that the GM bond holders are going to feel some real pain finally. I think it was the bond holders holding out for max value that forced the GM’s hand. For some crazy reason they thought the rules of capitalism didn’t apply to them, that they were always made whole even when the equity holders went to zero. If the rest of the market bond holders of other companies are smart they need to consider offering better deals to keep these companies alive. As I type this my cable company “Charter Comm.” has declared BK and I’m worried I might loose my internet connection. I’m just collateral damage I guess.

SocratesShadow on March 30, 2009 at 2:19 AM

O/T

I hope to see this Andrew Breitbart piece front-and-center on Hot Air this Monday:

Rules for Conservative Radicals

A digital war has broken out, and the conservative movement is losing. Read the comment sections of right-leaning blogs, news sites and social forums, and the evidence is there in ugly abundance. Internet hooligans are spewing their talking points to thwart the dissent of the newly-out-of-power.

We must not let that go unanswered.

Uninvited Democratic activists are on a mission to demoralize the enemy – us. They want to ensure that President Obama is not subject to the same coordinated, facts-be-damned, multimedia takedown they employed over eight long years to destroy the presidency – and the humanity – of George W. Bush.

Political leftists play for keeps. They are willing to lie, perform deceptive acts in a coordinated fashion and do so in a wicked way – all in the pursuit of victory. Moral relativism is alive and well in the land of Hope and Change and its Web-savvy youth brigade expresses its “idealism” in a most cynical fashion.

The ends justify the means for them – now more than ever.

Much of Mr. Obama’s vaunted online strategy involved utilizing “Internet trolls” to invade enemy lines under false names and trying to derail discussion. In the real world, that’s called “vandalism.” But in a political movement that embraces “graffiti” as avant-garde art, that’s business as usual. It relishes the ability to destroy other people’s property in pursuit of electoral victory…

Christien on March 30, 2009 at 2:32 AM

Version 2:

Maybe Obama should just design a new car himself. Seems to me that another head of state did that decades ago, so Obama, the greatest leader ever, should be able to also.

It will have 2 steering wheels, one to go one way and another to quickly go another way. It will have a GPS system that will tell the driver exactly where he is no matter which of the 57 states he is in. It will get about 1 mpg but the drivers manual will say that it will start getting 100mpg if you drive it for at least 4 years. It will have a hood ornament that looks like Michelle’s lower jaw. In the glove compartment will be a mini-me Rahm Emanuel who will jump out and fix a traffic ticket if the driver should get one. If it is used as a company car the no extra cost Geithner on board computer program option will compute the mileage for tax purposes.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the HopeNChange mobile. Get your advance orders in and beat the crowd. Discounts for volume purchases. No down payment necessary just as long as your kids or grandkids have a credit card or are expected to get one someday. If you or your kids or your grandkids can not pay, you will all be sold to the Chinese as coolies.

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 2:42 AM

And AIG?

Oh wait- bonuses!

drjohn on March 30, 2009 at 2:43 AM

Fritz Henderson new GM CEO.

canditaylor68 on March 30, 2009 at 2:15 AM

Great… so he is a BANKER…. part of the Geithner set…

and then ran GM overseas, but not in America…

Interesting seeing as how Geithner (a banker), and Obama (who says he is a citizen of the world), run the Government who fired his predecesor.

Romeo13 on March 30, 2009 at 2:45 AM

In the Obammunist system, all are equal, except some are more equal than others.

drjohn on March 30, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Asian Markets down Big Time

MB4 on March 30, 2009 at 2:56 AM

Look, I am an auto wonk. This is a very complex issue being discussed and pointing to just one thing as the reason for it is not constructive. That said, if I were to point out one thing:

Japanese and German auto manufactures do much better here on US soil than do the not so big three American firms. That is so because they do not have unions and union pensions, union legacy costs, etc.
.
Oh, and lets not forget that both the Japanese and German governments have supported and work with their companies for years, while our enviro-natzi controlled government has done nothing but hindered the American auto industry with their arrogant, uneducated, and thus unrealistic regulations.

JeffVader on March 30, 2009 at 3:15 AM

JeffVader on March 30, 2009 at 3:15 AM

Thanks for the perspective. I am totally unclear why Obama thinks Wagoner was supposed to be able to negotiate with the UAW. I said this earlier tonight but isn’t Obama looking to make more unions? The US auto industry has been hamstrung all over the place by unions and government. How is government intervention going to suddenly produce a streamlined industry is beyond me.

msmveritas on March 30, 2009 at 3:23 AM

Doctor Zero,

Thank you for your posts. They’re frightfully enlightening — frightfully because it puts in crystal-clear perspective what the Fascist (and his puppeteers) in the White House is doing to the country and to democracy.

Please keep posting, thank you.

mz.josephine on March 30, 2009 at 3:25 AM

I’m going to post something very personal, in the hopes that some one or more of you might begin to understand just how vital this great nation is, and how important it is that we take it back from those whose perspectives are in distant lands of failed social policies that have ruined their own great nations for generations to come. And which is why they are now trying to reverse the wrongs that their predecessors have committed.

There was a time, to begin the storytelling as only a storyteller can, when common folk in a budding nation pulled together to survive the harshness that, it seemed, plagued them and their children, and caused hardship to be inflicted.

There are some who would say that hardship comprised racism in that slavery was an accepted norm. There are others who would say that hardship comprised greed in land claims, driving off Native Americans from their rightfully owned lands.

And yet, there are some who would say that hardship involved pursuing new adventures and exploring new lands, because human nature requires and mandates a childlike exploration of the known universe!

And along the way we, our ancestors, hurt others. Survival is hard. Survival is the key to the survival of all, oh God, isn’t it??

We survived. And in subsequent generations, we thrived, through our hard work, and our ingenuity. And we overcame the nastiness of the inhumanity of some who would, through greed and a covetousness of power, would rob others of a modest everyday living in order to control……what? Has anyone ever figured that out? I did, finally: To Control: For the sake of controlling! A power grab, for no greater motivation other than to obtain the power and the rewards that drenches the very activity of achieving unwarranted power grabs.

And these same people, and yes, I’ll name them: Liberals, Progressives, Democrats…… have worked hard, very very hard in the past four or five decades, to convince the majority of everyday American residents and citizens that they are defective.

What? Defective? How can I possibly claim such a demeaning thing? Ummmm……it’s fairly obvious. Obama, and the Democrats, are convinced that we’re at fault, supremely, for every wrong, every severe and unwarranted attack on Americans. Simply because at one time our forebearers actually believed that slavery was natural. And because our ancestors believed that taking land from so-called “Natives” was the natural course in the progression of the human spirit.

So what? Again: SO WHAT???

So what was so bad about what they, two hundred and more years ago, did?

Well, it was wrong. Yes indeedy, it was terribly wrong. The keeping of ‘slaves’, the taking of land from ‘natives’, was wrong.

But it was the norm then. Yes, it was. And the people who lived in those times honestly, and truly, believed with all their hearts, as they attempted to survive in vastly more primitive conditions that we can ever imagine in today’s world, that it was the ‘normal’ way of life.

Still, the Libs of today would have us all carry a cartload of guilt involving injustices that occurred well over a hundred years ago. It doesn’t matter to them that we were the first nation to completely go to war, and a monstrously savage Civil War at that, to fight against and abolish slavery!

And never mind that the so-called “Natives” were taking slave themselves, and honoring all who proved their bravery by producing ‘scalps’ as proof of their ability to protect and defend….. Long before we landed here, and were robbing and pillaging other “Native” villages to claim an easier life than they had known, they were, truth be told, doing it themselves. Dontcha know it was just “human nature” back then to try to survive, even if it meant killing others to free up resources for our loved ones so that they might survive. Back then, hundreds of years ago, they didn’t have electricity. They didn’t have city water and sewer. They didn’t have natural gas heating, or coal heating, or oil heating. They didn’t have cars to get around for shopping and entertainment. So they did what they had to do in order to survive!

Now for the personal stuff, if you’ve been kind enough to hang around this long…..

I have an incurable disease. It’s a rare form of Rheumatoid Arthritis that attacks more than the usual joints in the hands and feet and such. It also attacks vital organs, and the lungs are shot due to a pleural effusion in the left one, and nodules afflicting the right one, plus an asthmatic condition brought on by the RA. And it’s attacking my vocal chords, and esophagus, spine, jaw, and we won’t even begin to talk about my liver and other things that can make one’s life seem unbearable.

But the thing that keeps me hanging on is you. Yep, you heard that right, it’s you! You keep me hanging on here, knowing that our incredible nation, our much coveted land of freedoms and liberties, can and will survive if we but have the faith and belief that we have lived uncounted hardships in order to evolve to a better place. A place of awareness and understanding that human rights are not birth given, but earned.

We have, yes we have, learned, from our experiences. Regardless of what others would try to dump on you, we have learned that humans are precious, regardless of race or creed or sexual orientation or age. We have indeed learned this, all of this, elsewise how is it that we could have possibly elected a Black president?

I have been to 43 of our incredible 50 states, and have been awed by the basic generousness and humanity of the USA’s wonderful people. I’ve been bowed by the basic loving nature of those who revere this land, and struggle to reconcile what is going on now.

Don’t let them take this away from you. Regardless of the heritage that the Libs would try to burden us with regardless evolved awarenesses that we once may have possessed, we have indeed learned from our history and our experiences. More than any other nation on planet earth, truth be told. Don’t every give up who you are, because you are special, and you are precious, and you are strong warriors in the face of adversity. That, as Americans, is something they can never take away from us.

Now the Trolls will come out in force to attack every one of my arguments.

But, dear ones, never ever forget, that humanity is a shared experience. One that the Libs have persistently tried to alienate us from. Because that is how they gain power and control. Lest we lose our own humanity, we must, must pull together to defeat the monstrosity that has become our fellow American Libs, and for their own sake, and especially ours and our children’s, we must stop them.

KendraWilder on March 30, 2009 at 3:28 AM

Wow. Just. Wow. Didn’t Chavez do this, too? I remember reading that somewhere. Power corrupts. Unlimited power currupts …

So much for GM.

And he did this before Congress gave Geithner this power to take over companies? What will happen when both Obama and Geithner can double down on the take-overs?

BrideOfRove on March 30, 2009 at 7:33 AM

So, obama fires the head of GM because they could not come up with a viable plan to save the economy.

Does that mean we, the American people, can fire obama because he has not come up with a viable plan to save the country?

rbb on March 30, 2009 at 7:52 AM

TN Mom on March 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM

So we’re bailing out the sugar-powered golfcart division.

sethstorm on March 30, 2009 at 7:54 AM

on March 30, 2009 at 7:33 AM

No.

But don’t let Wall Street pull the wool over your eyes.

sethstorm on March 30, 2009 at 7:57 AM

msmveritas on March 30, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Irrelevant.

sethstorm on March 30, 2009 at 8:00 AM

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