Video: What exactly is in ACTA?
posted at 8:51 am on March 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The G-8 began negotiating the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) in 2008, during the last few months of the Bush administration. Ostensibly, this agreement intended to strengthen copyright law enforcement among Western nations. According to this English-language report from Russia Today, though, that enforcement will come through massive confiscation of laptops and personal music players — and the new American administration won’t answer questions about it due to “national security” concerns.
Conspiracy theory or reality?
In extreme secrecy from the public, the Obama administration is hammering out an international copyright treaty with several other countries and the European Union.
Under the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), governments will get sweeping new powers to search and seize material thought to be in breach of copyright.
While the Obama administration calls these secretive plans a development of “national security,” Richard Stallman, a prominent American software freedom activist, calls it a secret “war on sharing”:
“Because we wouldn’t like it if we knew, they are trying to do policy laundering,” Stillman says. “Democracy gets bypassed and they can do to us whatever they want. I can only guess that it’s going to be nasty, because if it weren’t going to be nasty, they wouldn’t need to keep a secret”.
Up until now, the breach of copyright has been a civil matter. The Obama administration seems to now want to criminalize it.
After watching the video, I tried searching for information on ACTA. I found nothing from the usual mainstream media sites like the New York Times, Washington Post, or LA Times. I did find this mention from the Telegraph last July:
IPods, mobile phones and laptops could be examined by airport customs officials for illegal downloads under strict new counterfeiting measures being considered by G8 governments this week, it is claimed.
The measures form part of an international agreement aimed at stamping out piracy, but there are fears that individuals who have illegally downloaded songs or video clips on to MP3 players and phones for personal use could also be caught out. …
So far, little has been revealed about the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement being considered by the G8 nations, apart from a mention in the organisation’s “Declaration on the World Economy” published this week.
Backing the development of the new agreement, it said: “Effective promotion and protection of Intellectual Property Rights are critical to the development of creative products, technologies and economies.”
A group called the Electronic Frontier Foundation has tried to get information on ACTA, but the Obama administration rebuffed their FOIA request on national-security grounds:
The Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) is withholding hundreds of documents about a secret intellectual property enforcement treaty currently under negotiation between the U.S. and more than a dozen other countries.
In a pending federal lawsuit, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and Public Knowledge are demanding that background documents on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) be released under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). But the USTR has claimed that more than 1300 pages should be withheld because they implicate national security or expose the USTR’s deliberative processes. The USTR has released only 159 pages for public viewing.
ACTA raises serious concerns about citizens’ civil liberties and privacy rights. The contents and text of ACTA remain secret, but a document leaked to the public last year shows that ACTA could include stronger criminal measures, increased customs border search powers, and requirements for Internet service providers to cooperate with copyright holders. Some public suggestions from content companies have included requiring ISPs to engage in filtering of their customers’ Internet communications for potentially copyright-infringing material, mandatory disclosure of personal information about alleged copyright infringers, and adoption of “Three Strikes” policies requiring ISPs to automatically terminate customers’ Internet access upon a repeat allegation of copyright infringement.
It appears something is going on with ACTA, but few places want to cover it.
As a writer, I believe in copyright law. However, I don’t think that it should become a criminal matter, and I certainly don’t think the American government should have the right to search computers for anything other than acute security concerns while traveling through airports. The government should check to make sure that computers aren’t bombs or hiding knives or other weapons when taken on board airplanes as carry-ons; I think few people object to that. However, if the Obama administration (and the Bush administration before that) proposes to have computer inspectors spinning up our hard drives to see if we have any unacceptable data on them, they’d better have a search warrant and probable cause — because the USTR and the White House can’t bargain away the Fourth Amendment, or the Fifth Amendment, for that matter.
I’m very curious as to how a trade agreement qualifies as a national-security concern, too. That seems rather odd to me. Copyrights have nothing to do with national security, but national security makes a good excuse to shield unpopular actions from public scrutiny.
Conspiracy theory? Something is happening here, but what? Maybe our national media might take an interest in it at some point so we can find out exactly what the G-8 intends to do in the name of copyright enforcement. It might be nothing but spitballing at this point, but this kind of effort belongs in the sunlight, not in the dark.
I have contacted the White House for comment on this story, and I’ll report back in an update if and when they respond.
Update: Still no response from the White House on this (at 1:30 pm ET), but the USTR office has 29 documents, mostly press releases, on ACTA. I’m told by HA reader Scott that the USTR usually refuses comment on active negotiations, but do they always claim “national security” concerns to do so?
And yes, I agree with many commenters that Stallman isn’t the most confidence-inspiring guy to believe that there’s more fire than smoke here. Still, I’d like to know what our government is contemplating with ACTA.










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There’s no way I am paying for my MP3 of “Mmm Bop” so I guess I’ll roll the dice at the border.
SlimyBill on March 27, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Eh..
They have more important things to do. You know, like slobbering over The Kindergartener.
blatantblue on March 27, 2009 at 8:58 AM
This is now the most terrifying statement in history. But this is just the way most governments want it.
Tommy_G on March 27, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Formerly apolitical Microsoft is now a big Dem donor, so BHO owes them protection, right?
jgapinoy on March 27, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Don’t get me wrong: I have severe reservations about the scope of authority granted to media companies to harass and shut down file sharers. But, let me say that if you see Richard Stallman involved, you should run screaming. The guy is a dirty hippie who has spent the past 20 years bemoaning ANY use of copyright in the software world. He’s been largely marginalized even in the open source world. Thus, if he’s the spokesman for the anti-ACTA movement, it makes me want to dial down the hysteria at least a few notches.
Outlander on March 27, 2009 at 8:59 AM
this is something to get the young people outraged. they don’t want their secret little conversations with boy X to be made public for girl Y to see.
kelley in virginia on March 27, 2009 at 9:01 AM
A war on sharing… I think I would prefer to focus on fighting terrorists.
A related point, I was into this story while I watched the video, but I was reading along with the transcript. When I got to the point of the “prominent American software freedom” activist, I liked what he had to say. But when I turned my eyes back up to the video and saw the guy, I wrote him off as a kook.
I have a difficult time taking people seriously, even when I really want to take them seriously, when they look like they do not bathe.
myrenovations on March 27, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Heh. Software hippies.
vinman on March 27, 2009 at 9:03 AM
I’m starting to feel like an inconsequential, nameless and numbered member of some collective entity like the Borg. I’m also beginning to wonder if resistance actually IS futile. And, I don’t even own any of these devices. Just another level of control in my opinion.
jeanie on March 27, 2009 at 9:04 AM
seize. seize. seize.
I am seeing that word way too much these days.
TheBigOldDog on March 27, 2009 at 9:05 AM
I think it is a bit more than that
blatantblue on March 27, 2009 at 9:05 AM
I had no prior knowledge of him, but that was the impression I got just from looking at him.
myrenovations on March 27, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Thank you Mr.Morrissey. I knew if you were onto this,we would get more info about it.
I completely agree with you here. I doubt we will be hearing more about this, from any government agencies anyways.
canditaylor68 on March 27, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Veteran soldier: Fight against that? No, we will run, and we will live.
William: Aye, fight and you may die, run and you’ll live. At least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they’ll never take our freedom?! Alba gu bra! (Scotland forever!)
(The Scots cheer “Alba gu bra” repeatedly)
TheBigOldDog on March 27, 2009 at 9:08 AM
No big deal.
http://www.truecrypt.org
Open source application that allows one to create an invisible encrypted partition on one’s hard drive. One might even create a hidden partition within a hidden partition.
Plausible denial = your friend.
Highly recommended if you travel internationally with sensitive data on your laptop.
wv619 on March 27, 2009 at 9:08 AM
I’ll give you my iPod when you take it from my cold, dead hands!
faraway on March 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM
blatantblue: i am saying that this Act would infuriate my 21 year old daughter who cannot live without her laptop–all for social reasons. and we sure want some young people on our side.
kelley in virginia on March 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Awesome!
loudmouth883 on March 27, 2009 at 9:10 AM
I suspect that the “security” aspects of this proposal has more to do with hiding what the governments of the world can do, and already are doing, in the way of surveillance of all forms of electronic communication. If the people knew just how invasive it really is, there would be an outcry.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 9:12 AM
So Obama is not a scoialists and is going to fighnt forced sharing. Right?
WashJeff on March 27, 2009 at 9:13 AM
If they were so concerned about piracy, how come they didn’t get Chinese signatures? Consider we buy all their products, we could have got their compliance. But no.
This is about surveillance of the public for political reasons, under the guise of giving 50 Cent his fifty cents.
Now obama will be able to get a court order to enter your home and search your computer based upon your IP using Limewire. And something tells me they are not looking for Amy Winehouse Mp3 files.
Obama promised transparency. This is very transparent.
keep the change on March 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Sharing he and his comrades don’t control. Remember, it is ALL about CONTROL.
TheBigOldDog on March 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Gotcha — read ya wrong
blatantblue on March 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Won’t help, I’m afraid. Truecrypt etc are fine for keeping documents safe from normal prying eyes, but the “man” will just demand your encryption key. Also, hidden partitions can be easily detected by the visible size of the drive, versus its actual.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Well, if the media outlet of the Russian government is warning me about BIG BROTHER getting in my business, then I know it is real issue….
“Some say modern America has been taken over by a culture of surveillance”,,,,
Yeah….sure Putin, sure…..
Kasper Hauser on March 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Looks like 1984 has arrived 25 years late and every room of every house and hotel will now be bugged so the Secret Police can watch us. Hooray for Big Brother…!
DL13 on March 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM
nanny state.. woo hoo!
gatorboy on March 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Obama the Fascist. This guy wants to be President of the world, right?
marklmail on March 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Not for international flights they won’t.
Akzed on March 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM
I hope this is just a conspiracy theory. Russia Today isn’t the most reliable source for news.
CP on March 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM
actually, the more i think of this, the more i like it… have obama put this in place, and if the gop shows any level of competency, this will pummel obama at the voting booth
gatorboy on March 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM
Yeah, in addition to all the security check points, removing shoes, ANYTHING metal and putting it through the detector. The TSA will power up and do disk scans on all laptops and MP3 players?
That’s a PR win if I ever heard one
DaveC on March 27, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Have you met the GOP?
myrenovations on March 27, 2009 at 9:21 AM
There is an old, rarely used document called the Bill of Rights, which has as its fourth amendment, a little phrase quoted below:
Just a bit of food for thought, for those who long for the days we respected our own Constitution.
Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 9:22 AM
I know I’m going to hate myself in the morning for saying this, but it has nothing to with Obama per se.
ACTA has been under negotiation, worldwide, for some time.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM
If this is proven to be more than a conspiracy theory it will come back to Team Chicago Jesus trying to pay back his Hollywood buddies.
HOPE AND CHANGE!!ROPE AND CHAINS!!!Dire Straits on March 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Will never work.
How do you tell an illegal MP3 from a legit one purchased off of Amazon? Or any file format for that matter? Heck, Apple is even going DRM free. With places like SpiralFrog, why are people still stealing music anyway?
How about actual CDs? How do they know i purchased it and didnt steal it from some car with its window down?
RiteWingFascist on March 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 9:22 AM
In the “living, breathing” document form, it actually says, except computers and I-Pods.
myrenovations on March 27, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Since when does copyright law fall under the umbrella of national security? Is Obambi afraid bootleg copies of his budget will start showing up on e-bay?
AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 9:25 AM
They already do this.
On a recent flight back from Hong Kong, I was talking to someone that had recently been pulled into a room by TSA agents and they went through all of the files on his computer and external drives.
Personally, I think it’s sad that staffing levels and efficiency, in my experience, is so much better in Asia than it is in the United States when it comes to getting through customs and immigration. I almost missed a connecting flight once I got into the US because the decided to go with 3 agents checking passports for 3 planeloads of people. At least the drug beagle got to sniff everyone twice…
Asher on March 27, 2009 at 9:25 AM
I am going to scratch out the iPod name on my iPods and etch in iEffect. Hopefully that should do it for the constitutionally challenged.
WashJeff on March 27, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Only within your own borders.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 9:25 AM
I’m confused…what does intellectual property or illegal downloads have to do with national security? Is this some kind of payback to the entertainment industry for supporting him so blindly during the election? What number did you use to call the WH, Ed?–I wanna get some answers, too.
RepubChica on March 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM
(Adjusts tin foil hat for better reception…)
Under this concept, copyright infringement could be claimed against political speech that links to copyrighted works that a blogger disagrees with, displacing fair use and thus be used as a weapon against political enemies, no?
In this brave new world I really do not know what to expect next.
turfmann on March 27, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Like a broken clock, even a dirty hippie can be right once in a while.
toliver on March 27, 2009 at 9:30 AM
And just like that Hotair’s servers were seized.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 27, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Since they won’t release all the information, we don’t know where they plan on doing this. Also, US customs agents are stationed in other countries, and have been held to US law there, so I think there is an open question as to whose laws supercede in international terminals.
Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 9:32 AM
I’d love to know how government officials expect to prove that a particular song on an iPod or phone was acquired illegally. Comparing the iPod/phone files to a list of popular illegally-shared files won’t be close to enough to prove or even imply culpability any more than my German heritage makes me culpable for the Holocaust.
The RIAA has been having a hell of a time for the last several years at trying to prove in court that users they supposedly caught in the act of pirating music were in fact culpable of copyright infringement. If witnessing a crime is shaking grounds for proving culpability, then I don’t know how they think they’ll prove it simply based on possession.
I kind of hope they enact this. I’m looking forward to the inevitable Constitutional/legal pushback that will result. National security sure ain’t what it used to be as a reason for government trying to steal the citizens’ liberties.
Harpazo on March 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Not really. Truecrypt creates virtual partitions that are indistinguishable from random data that can be mounted as real drives. A visual inspection of the drive will show the full size of the drive. It employs steganographic methods to hide the partitions.
Also, it’s hard for anyone to demand your key when they are unaware that an encrypted partition even exists.
Again, plausible denial.
wv619 on March 27, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Geek. :-)
RepubChica on March 27, 2009 at 9:38 AM
On the negative side, Richard Stallman is a guy with some very kooky ideas, and he has marginalized himself to some degree within the “open source” world.
On the plus side, he obviously takes freedom very seriously and he created the EFF (http://www.eff.org/) to defend freedom in an electronic realm that not many take the time to understand. Exploring the downside of DRM and talking about it is boring business, but if you consider it carefully, it is pretty important to all computer users.
I hope people consider what he has to say seriously, and then take to heart what they can agree with while they reject whatever they find ‘kooky’.
Troj on March 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM
You don’t understand how Truecrypt does the double-volume thing. It has an obviously-encrypted “outer” volume, which you need a password to get into. You put your normal stuff here, but you also create an “inner” volume. It’s accessible if you use your second, super-secret password. The inner volume uses space inside the outer volume that isn’t allocated to any files. There is no way to know for sure that space is being used to store data, and when you give the goons the first password, they can get into your laptop, so they think that’s it.
The downside is that if they write to any files with only the one password, it can mess up the hidden data.
The Monster on March 27, 2009 at 9:42 AM
+1
jgapinoy on March 27, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Thanks for the correction. I was given to understand that a printout of all available files and sizes would show a discrepancy between actual and accessible.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Oops–the “strike” doesn’t “copy & paste”.
jgapinoy on March 27, 2009 at 9:44 AM
I don’t think so. Wiki confirms my memory:
Stallman created the Free Software Foundation, which has some overlap with the EFF’s work, but are two separate entities.
The Monster on March 27, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Thanks. see my post of 9:44 AM to wv619. It would seem that my “learned” friends may not be so learned, after all. LIving an entirely boring existence, I have not used Truecrypt, myself.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 9:53 AM
There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear
There’s a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware…
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.
And that’s all I got to say about that.
coldwarrior on March 27, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Rats! :)
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Libwads! Obama is trampling on your constitutional rights! Mobilize! Hit the streets! Libwads? Hello? Anybody there?…
whitetop on March 27, 2009 at 9:58 AM
I desperately want to dislike Richard Stallman, but I can’t. He practically predicted the phenomenon of P2P file sharing decades before the concept entered mainstream consciousness via Napster.
Stallman may be a fringe hippie, but anyone who has ever surfed a website that uses open-source software (which is pracitcally everyone), or subscribes to an ISP that uses open-source software, (which is a vast majority of people now, and increasing) owes the Free Software Foundation a huge debt of gratitude.
gryphon202 on March 27, 2009 at 9:59 AM
The idea is to make everyone a criminal.
Maxx on March 27, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Understandable mistake. TrueCrypt is a pretty unique application. It’s utility is pretty limited to those who actually NEED that level of protection, for instance when traveling abroad with sensitive corporate data, etc., and so is lesser-understood than many of the other “security” applications out there.
I’ve fiddled around with it, and it’s really powerful. If you have the processor power, it will run AES-Twofish-Serpent encryption in sequence.
wv619 on March 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
+1 more. I’m definately going to steal that one.
iurockhead on March 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM
This is very frightening. No way will I allow the government to go through my iPod or laptop without a warrant. As Ed pointed out, they can’t negotiate away the 4th amendment.
The laptop I use for work contains proprietary software and sensitive client information that the government has no business with. Because of that we’re required to encrypt our entire hard drive. It’s a real pain but without that password they won’t be getting access to my drive and I have no intention of giving it to them.
I don’t alsways support the EFF (and I rarely if ever suppurt the ACLU) but in this case I’m fully behind them.
crusader1145 on March 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM
But I thought BOOOOOSH was the tyrant? What about that nasty Patriot Act…
Whoa….reality bites!
katy on March 27, 2009 at 10:11 AM
You’re a perfect candidate to use TrueCrypt. Look into it, it’s free.
wv619 on March 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Just checked with my source of (faulty) info, and we sorted it all out. We run Macs, and only the latest version (6), which he didn’t have, supports hidden volumes. He says thanks for the info. :)
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Thanks, Ed. Hope you can stick with this. I think you’ve got a tiger by the tail.
petefrt on March 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Hate to tell ya… but Booo00sh started this… its been in negotiation for years.
But now that Bambi is in charge, it will be interesting to see how far they will push the Constitution on this… what comes out of the negotiations now…
Romeo13 on March 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM
It’s the Kindness and Goodness Brigade (KGB).
jeff_from_mpls on March 27, 2009 at 10:26 AM
At the border, customs agents can go through any of your possessions, including iPods and laptops. If you have an encrypted hard drive, you have a choice:
a) present a courier letter provided by the government requesting free passage by you and your effects (which may or may not work),
b) unlock the hard drive and let them look at it right there, or
c) they will figure things out at their leisure using their guaranteed physical access to your confiscated device.
Even were this treaty to be negotiated and signed, there is still the hurdle of enabling legislation by Congress to implement in a Constitutional manner the elements of the treaty.
Hence, I would expect that warrantless examination of your personal effects (and electronic devices) will remain possible only at our borders.
Are you? Were you behind them in the “domestic warrantless wiretapping” case? That kerfaffle turned out to be nothing of the sort — it was once again a variant of the tried-and-true-in-the-courts blanket permission for the government to examine anything crossing our borders. In that matter, the EFF compromised intelligence means and methods we were using successfully against Al Qaeda! Examine this website to understand those whom you believe to be your friends in this matter.
unclesmrgol on March 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Hey, give them a break. They have other priorities.
Buy Danish on March 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Yes I’m well aware he started this. He however, didn’t abuse it.
The point of my post was for the benefit of Obamatrons who thought Bush was soooo evil and obama was the great liberal liberator. The guy who was going to free the world of the oppressive Bush regime and its tyannical policies and the destroyer of freedom…
katy on March 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Which is what a surveillance society does. London. The psychological/sociological implications are astounding…and we haven’t done enough research on this phenomena. Tech outpaces research/policy all the time…and that isn’t always good (Octomom).
Mommypundit on March 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Truecrypt (a software-only encryption technique) doesn’t work. The presence of “random” bytes on your hard drive, as well as the software necessary to make those “random” bytes nonrandom, is a big tipoff. If the government wants to look at your data, they will first build a duplicated full image of your drive, and will then, at their leisure, execute proprietary algorithms designed to ferret out what’s in those “random” bytes. They will, of course, be aided by the fact that a hard drive partition has a structure, and that structure provides enough cleartext to determine whether they’ve gotten the correct encryption key. They will undoubtedly first stringize your operating system’s swap space to see what you were doing in the unencrypted realm before attempting to generate any keys for the encrypted realm.
Encryption defeats the attacker with limited resources, but will not stand against a determined attacker with unlimited resources — particularly one which can find enough cleartext to match your encrypted data.
unclesmrgol on March 27, 2009 at 10:42 AM
I was on the fence here.
It could be another case of making allowances for the party in control because we agree with their worldview, generally. But, once that precedent is in place, there WILL be another party in charge…and do we want that group to have the same level of power? We definitely need to be consistent on this…or we lose credibility. Thus the need to REALLY KNOW the constitution while being discerning…given our modernized society. The enemy has new weapons and the state’s PROPER role is our protection. This was/is a fine line to walk.
Mommypundit on March 27, 2009 at 10:44 AM
An ACTA is a Manny who manages the Washington Nats, you can look it up!
JohnBissell on March 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM
You don’t understand how Truecrypt does the double-volume thing. It has an obviously-encrypted “outer” volume, which you need a password to get into. You put your normal stuff here, but you also create an “inner” volume. It’s accessible if you use your second, super-secret password. The inner volume uses space inside the outer volume that isn’t allocated to any files. There is no way to know for sure that space is being used to store data, and when you give the goons the first password, they can get into your laptop, so they think that’s it.
The downside is that if they write to any files with only the one password, it can mess up the hidden data.
After reading the True-Crypt docs indepth… an “outer” volume always has an “inner” space. If used as a double-volume, the inner one goes in that space. If not, that space is written with random data that is indistinguishable from an inner volume.
There is also an option to protect the inner-volume from being overwritten by writes to the outer-volume.
dominigan on March 27, 2009 at 10:50 AM
I can see the explanation from Team Obama now. Our right against illegal search and seizure is “unsustainable“.
jusgottabeme on March 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Ostensibly correct, as with any encryption scheme. Short of using a true (and perfect) one-time pad, any encryption is theoretically breakable given infinite time and resources.
TrueCrypt (and schemes like it) are desigined to put a layer of plausible denial between you and the underpaid goon in customs. Unless the government knows for a fact that you’re carrying information that is valuable enough to them to send your laptop to the NSA for an indefinite period of time, they’re unlikely to waste their time on you. This is doubly true if you use a hidden volume within a hidden volume. This way, you can enter one password in the spirit of “cooperation,” which reveals to them some data that they might find “sensitive” (which really is not) that would satisfy their curiosity, while your actual sensitive data is hidden under yet another layer of encryption.
wv619 on March 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM
That is basically what I was told by a friend, but he didn’t have a Mac version that allowed for hidden volumes at the time. wv619 is of the opinion that such volumes can remain hidden. However, I am always prepared to admit that the “Man” can do a lot more than we mere peons can.
Actually, thinking about it, I hope they can be accessed. Otherwise, kiddi-porn could pass through customs undetected, for example.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I don’t think there would be too big a problem here. But in europe, where they don’t have our legal protections, you could be in big trouble if you have stuff on your laptop.
IT guys like me could be in big trouble. How’s a poorly trained gov’t security clerk gonna know the difference between a legit ISOs and illicit? I’m trying to take less disks not more. I’ve got enough problems taking the right adpaters and work files.
Same thing with Ipods. How are you gonna tell a legit file from illicit once its on the Ipod. Itunes lets you dump your cds onto your pod afterall and helpfully handles the conversion.
yeah you could store your “questionable” stuff on the web, but then its exposed to other threats.
I hate government overreach
Iblis on March 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM
With dripping sarcasm:
“Boy, I’m sure glad we don’t have George Bush attacking our civil rights anymore”.
May I be the first to say it out loud? I miss George.
kurtzz3 on March 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM
So, the “Cloud” is not safe, either?
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM
A few comments:
1. The FSF has not played a major role in the development of the open source world. That fight was principally led by Linus Torvalds and the Linux people and the BSD folks. I will give credit where credit is due, however, and say that the FSF’s open source license was the first license of its kind and was popular for many years.
2. I know I’ll get creamed for saying this, but, what advances have come from true open-source software (i.e. products developed by volunteers and marketed for free)? It strikes me that open source’s main contribution is rather taking concepts and ideas developed in the commercial software world and creating functionally similar free versions.
Outlander on March 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Ed, a word of warning about RT. It is total Russian propaganda, most of the time not so veiled anti-American. Would not consider anything that comes out of that “party-organ” reliable. Russians are one of the biggest “pirates”, and are probably worried about what is coming, but cannot get enough inside info. This may be one of their ways to put pressure on – stir up the masses (american , since this program is in English) and make them push the government to release details.
runner on March 27, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Classic leftist totalitarianism. Now that they’re in power they have begun to do exactly what they were hysterically accusing G. Bush of having done. The only difference is that they really are doing it with the collusion of their friends/fiends in the media.
cjk on March 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM
LMAO …. too funny!
I’m just remembering what a throwback hippy Dem (Granny – not mine, someone else’s) told me during the election.
Demwit: “I’m voting for Obama because I want him to give us back the rights that Bush took away from us!”
Haahaa HAAAA!
Conservative_SAHM on March 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM
This won’t do a damn thing, other than allow further searches of your personal files on your laptop.
For example, it might catch little Johnny as he crosses from Canada with a pirated copy of “Smashing Punkins”. However, it also might be used as an excuse to search for say, members of a resistance movement, or those who attend a “Tea Party”. Remember, we have the most Constitution hating administrating evah, so the 4th Amendment is going to be weakened when ever possible.
Besides, there is no terrorism, only “man caused disasters”.
GunRunner on March 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM
They can have my Black Kids ring tone when they pry my cell phone from my cold dead hand.
You are the girllll….
hawkdriver on March 27, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Just like they can’t enact a retroactive bill of attainder, and make it disappear just as quickly, right?
rightside on March 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Well, as long as we’re not looking for terrorists, that should keep all the libs and Ron Paul supporters happy, right?
hawkdriver on March 27, 2009 at 11:35 AM
And that is where you lost your argument and any credibility. For every computer geek out there raving about how safe and secure some program will make their computer, there will always be another geek right behind who know’s how to break it.
If the FBI, the CIA or any other agency wants to see your hardrive, I’m sure they’re about 10 steps in front of you and your free program. Enjoy your false sense of security.
Knucklehead on March 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Dang…what did do with that password, I guess the dog ate that one also…
Sorry Sir, can’t help ya
husker3000 on March 27, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Please see my other posts where I addressed this before you jump into the deep end of asshattery.
Normal “geeks” with normal geek equipment and resources can’t break 256-bit encryption.
Yes, the NSA or CIA probably could, but once again, in order to justify devoting the necessary manpower and processor time to do it, they would need almost incontrovertible proof that your hard drive has data sensitive enough to warrant it.
wv619 on March 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Wait so Obama would allow Terrorist to have open trials in the US where all security risks can be aired to the public, but the admin won’t allow talk about a law to pry into our music files?
Rbastid on March 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Wow. Had you bothered to read the rest of the thread, you would have known that I addressed that, and probably wouldn’t have jumped down my throat.
wv619 on March 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
That’s when they take it away, and do it the hard way.
OldEnglish on March 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM
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