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ladyingray on March 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM

No, health care is good business and helps the economy.

Cheaper is the goal.

getalife on March 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

That was very funny. Cheaper is the goal, and we’ll get that from the government?

How does US healthcare stack up? READ. Way better than ANY socialist country, I’ll tell you that!

Seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”
More Scrutiny Needed

The health-care industry is the largest employer in the U.S. It produces almost 17 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Yet the bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn. This stimulus is dangerous to your health and the economy. (via bloomberg.com 2.9.2009)

Now some in Congress want to raise taxes and spend $634 billion for the President’s health care overhaul – - WITHOUT even seeing all the details of his plan.
They just never seem to learn

FREE health care clinics will be run by ACORN workers…

You still have not answered. Do you get paid for being a shill?

I can only guess that yes you do. Your check comes monthly.

I WOULD HAVE DIED. I WOULD HAVE DIED!!!!!!!
How many people will be thrown under the bus because it costs too much or it takes too much time? Are you willing to risk being one of those people? Not me.

oakpack on March 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Well I’m glad you’re still with us oakpak, and your case is an excellent example of why government controlled health care is a DEADLY BAD IDEA!

Liberty or Death on March 27, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Plus one million! Glad to hear you’re okay.

The two things government should never be allowed to do is speak for a “voiceless” constituency, and pass laws if the victims can’t complain when they fail. Environmentalism is the pre-eminent example of the first, socialized medicine the most awful example of the second. The least satisfied “customers” of socialist medicine won’t be able to file complaints, because they’ll be dead.

I WOULD HAVE DIED. I WOULD HAVE DIED!!!!!!!
How many people will be thrown under the bus because it costs too much or it takes too much time? Are you willing to risk being one of those people? Not me.

oakpack on March 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Well I’m glad you’re still with us oakpak, and your case is an excellent example of why government controlled health care is a DEADLY BAD IDEA!

…….. “They don’t even read the bills that they vote on!”

is a strong argument, and all the pork filled and hidden legislation that Mr. Teleprompter has signed in the dark of night should be highlighted against his campaign promises for openness and line by line scrutiny for “earmarks”.

Medical system from 1960s to today: companies began offering increasingly comprehensive medical insurance as an employment incentive.

LBJ’s Democrats rammed through Medicare in 1965, allowing no debate. Republicans were completely shut out of all discussion on this issue.

Healthcare spending started skyrocketing immediately after Medicare was rammed through Congress by Democrat scum.

It’s simple enough to understand moral hazard and the distortions you get from third-party payments, but Democrat scum in Congress are willfully ignorant.

Let’s be clear here.

Anyone who is a member of the absolutely worthless, corrupt and incompetent Democrat Party should not be trusted with sharp objects, much less legislation.

All the problems this country currently face, can find their source in the Democrat Party.

None of these problems will be solved, as long as Democrats are in the majority.

Because until then, the morally and intellectually bankrupt Bed Crapper in Chief, can pass his idiotic, anti-American agenda.

Congress is not the problem. Democrat scum are the problem.

Doctor Zero on March 27, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Excellent post and very informative, thanks Doc!

Medical system from 1960s to today: companies began offering increasingly comprehensive medical insurance as an employment incentive. Instead of covering catastrophic needs, this “insurance” came to cover virtually everything, destorying the patient incentive to use as little medical care as possible, and the doctors’ incentive to control costs. Deep pocket insurance companies pay huge amounts of money the consumers never see, and impose expensive requirements on doctors and hospitals.

Besides direct government interference, the other factor in exploding costs has been the cost of malpractice insurance and the rise of opportunistic lawsuits, resulting in malpractice insurance costs passed along to insurance companies and unnecessary “defensive medicine.” There are few systems in the world that place as much distance between the provider of a service, and the consumer. Throw in the way hospitals shift costs for covering the uninsured onto paying patients (meaning their insurance companies), and keep in mind that almost no one pays for their own health insurance directly – it’s almost always paid wholly or partially by your employer – and you have a system that looks like this:

Consumers of other products and services >> employers (who charge higher prices to cover all payroll costs, including health care) >> insurance companies >> health care providers. This runs parallel to taxpayers >> government Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs >> health care providers. Health care providers are heavily influenced by government, insurance companies, and trial lawyers, all of whom have more to say about your medical treatment than you do.

It’s a bloody mess, but it will ony get worse if taxpayers fork over huge amounts of money to the government to pay for health care, since this tax will be as “progressive” as any other. “Free” health care will do what price controls always do: reduce supply, reduce quality, increase demand. Health care is presently distributed inefficiently by a complex system of insurance companies, government agencies, and employers; under socialized medicine, it will inevitably be distrubuted by political considerations and rationing.

I’m in Charleston, SC and the medical industry here is thriving. Storybec on March 27, 2009 at 2:29 PM

SC is a wonderful place, I’ve visited there often. As you might expect different areas have different needs and are managed differently to deal with them. I’m very happy to see medicine thriving there, all the more reason to leave it alone, lol.

I’m based in upstate, NY where litigation isn’t as bad as downstate, but is still heavilly influenced by laws, rules, regulations and taxes that would make anyone’s head spin (yeah, ask me what I think of Ms. Clinton). We have a high population of uninsured/underinsured, Medicaid/Medicare patients so our hospital only losing $100k this year was considered impressive.

Sadly, hospitals here have closed making health care harder to get, and again, having Big Brother provide MORE red tape, and LESS service while ultimately consuming MORE resources to accomplish even LESS care is what I see looming in the future if this all comes to pass. At least that’s MORE or LESS how I see it.

:)