Hey, why not let the UN run the energy sector?

posted at 11:41 am on March 27, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

What could possibly be worse than having Washington DC impose a de facto nationalization of energy production through Barack Obama’s cap-and-trade policies?  Having Turtle Bay do it instead.  Fox News reports on a draft document that will get distributed to nations participating in the Copenhagen Accord, the follow-up to Kyoto, for which the Obama administration has already signaled support, emphases mine:

A United Nations document on “climate change” that will be distributed to a major environmental conclave next week envisions a huge reordering of the world economy, likely involving trillions of dollars in wealth transfer, millions of job losses and gains, new taxes, industrial relocations, new tariffs and subsidies, and complicated payments for greenhouse gas abatement schemes and carbon taxes — all under the supervision of the world body. …

Among the tools that are considered are the cap-and-trade system for controlling carbon emissions that has been espoused by the Obama administration; “carbon taxes” on imported fuels and energy-intensive goods and industries, including airline transportation; and lower subsidies for those same goods, as well as new or higher subsidies for goods that are considered “environmentally sound.”

Other tools are referred to only vaguely, including “energy policy reform,” which the report indicates could affect “large-scale transportation infrastructure such as roads, rail and airports.” When it comes to the results of such reform, the note says only that it could have “positive consequences for alternative transportation providers and producers of alternative fuels.”

In the same bland manner, the note informs negotiators without going into details that cap-and-trade schemes “may induce some industrial relocation” to “less regulated host countries.” Cap-and-trade functions by creating decreasing numbers of pollution-emission permits to be traded by industrial users, and thus pay more for each unit of carbon-based pollution, a market-driven system that aims to drive manufacturers toward less polluting technologies.

The note adds only that industrial relocation “would involve negative consequences for the implementing country, which loses employment and investment.” But at the same time it “would involve indeterminate consequences for the countries that would host the relocated industries.”

There are also entirely new kinds of tariffs and trade protectionist barriers such as those termed in the note as “border carbon adjustment”— which, the note says, can impose “a levy on imported goods equal to that which would have been imposed had they been produced domestically” under more strict environmental regimes.

Where to begin?  Let’s start first with “industrial relocation”.  Barack Obama ran for President in part by demanding an end to the exportation of jobs from America.  In fact, he mentioned this again in his “virtual town hall” when asked specifically about it via a YouTube question prepared specifically for the event.  Now Obama has given a green light to a process that appears will demand “industrial relocation” as a policy from Western producers, apparently as bait to get developing countries like China and India to agree to the new Copenhagen Accord.

Next, it appears that the UN has taken Steven Chu’s high-tech Smoot-Hawley ideas seriously.  In the middle of a severe global recession, the UN proposes to set up punitive trade barriers not for those who cheat on free trade, but for those who don’t sign onto Copenhagen (or at least meet its strictures).  That’s the stick that Copenhagen will pair up with the “industrial relocation” carrot.  If we want a new global depression, the quickest and stupidest way to get there is to start a global protectionist war, especially over the issue of CO2 rather than human rights, unchecked cheating, theft of intellectual property, or other real trade issues.

But by far the dumbest idea is to put the UN in charge of this regime.  Not only does it mean an end to sovereignty on trade, manufacturing, energy production, and business in general, but the UN has a horrible record on global trade controls.  Does anyone remember the UN Oil-for-Food Program, otherwise known as the largest corruption scandal in human history?  Tens of billions of dollars got stolen by bureaucrats and governments around the world, and it wound up enriching the man targeted for isolation — Saddam Hussein — beyond the dreams of Croesus.

If one tried to get as many foolish ideas into one 16-page document as the UN does here, they’d be hard pressed to do so.  If Obama cooperates with this, we will have willingly traded American sovereignty for rule by thieves and knaves.  Republicans need to win some seats back in the Senate to ensure this treaty never gets ratified.

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Why does everyone in power feel it’s their job to control everyone else and everything?

lorien1973 on March 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The Copenhagen Accord reminds me of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Sure, what could go wrong?

sonofdy on March 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM

If Obama agreed to this, I think that would be the final straw. There would be a revolt. Giving our sovereignty over to the UN. Go ahead Barry. Give it a try.

MDWNJ on March 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM

If Obama cooperates with this, we will have willingly traded American sovereignty for rule by thieves and knaves. Republicans need to win some seats back in the Senate to ensure this treaty never gets ratified.

It would help if Obama believed in American sovereignty. He daily demonstrates his belief that we’re just one of the gears in the machine, instead of being the machine itself.

AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM

That is the scariest thing I have ever read

Zetterson on March 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Why does everyone in power feel it’s their job to control everyone else and everything?

lorien1973 on March 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Because collectively, we let them.

Oldnuke on March 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Its a Twightlight Zone,or does the Bermuda
triangle extend all the way up to the
sidewalk in front of the UN!!(Snark).

canopfor on March 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM

all aboard the global governance train!

between this, the dastardly copyright protection plans, and special drawing rights at the IMF…the US is being integrated into the global system. not as a hegemon, but as just another player. whether this was avoidable…im not really sure. but get ready everyone!

ernesto on March 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Didn’t any one read the post just before this one. If the UN was a business the federal government would have to bail them out. Oh wait, never mind.

Tommy_G on March 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM

OT:
Freedom Tower no longer Freedom Tower.
Name change.
No Freedom.

carbon_footprint on March 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Does anyone remember the UN Oil-for-Food Program, otherwise known as the largest corruption scandal in human history?

Norm Coleman does. I wonder whatever happened to that guy?

myrenovations on March 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM

“Not only does it mean an end to sovereignty on trade, manufacturing, energy production, and business in general…”

Just think about this for a second. The current President of the United States is in favor of this!

Zetterson on March 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM

all aboard the global governance train!

ernesto on March 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Sorry, this is where we get off.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Brilliant. Are these people insane? In the midst of a deep global recession, they want to actually push everyone into a depression? And all in the name of reducing CO2 emissions which last time I checked happen everytime I exhale.

Doughboy on March 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM

That is the scariest thing I have ever read since yesterday.

Zetterson on March 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM

FIFY

WashJeff on March 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM

At this rate, I’m beginning to think Obama’s goal is to be the “Gun Salesman Of The Year” for 4 years running.

I need more guns, and more ammunition.

JamesLee on March 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Other tools are referred to only vaguely…

This is lot more than mere globalization – as asinine as that is by itself.

Barak Obama ushers in the end of the concept of governmental policy. All new programs are taking the form of completely open-ended transfers of power to central authority. All the details will become known only after the fact.

logis on March 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM

At this rate, I’m beginning to think Obama’s goal is to be the “Gun Salesman Of The Year” for 4 years running

Correction: His only real accomplishment will be….

JamesLee on March 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Yawn… This isn’t very likely. Our incumbent legislators have the brains enough to know a scheme to give up power when they see one. They are in the business of ACCUMULATING power, not giving it up.

However if there somehow were a “crisis” perhaps a bill could be rushed through with no time to debate or even read.

Nah that would never happen here.

bigskinny on March 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

WTF would we have a secondary Kyoto treaty when no one else in the world besides the U.S. follows it?

B.O. is thinking WAY outside his domain…. all hail the TOTUS!

upinak on March 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I need more guns, and more ammunition.

JamesLee on March 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Good luck on the ammo. None to be found, except for 12 gauge and 22 shorts.

AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Sorry, this is where we get off.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM

like you’ll have a choice.

ernesto on March 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM

The day the UN runs anything here in the US is when I will go to the UN and riot. This is absurd. The UN needs to get out of our Country. They are useless, and a bunch of robbing thugs.

sheebe on March 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM

B.O. is thinking WAY outside his domain…. all hail the TOTUS!

TOTUS must be above his paygrade.

JamesLee on March 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Why does everyone in power feel it’s their job to control everyone else and everything?

lorien1973 on March 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Lorien, I love you.

Mommypundit on March 27, 2009 at 11:56 AM

I blame Huck.

a capella on March 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Good luck on the ammo. None to be found, except for 12 gauge and 22 shorts.

AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Nor Powder, Now casings, no anything… everything is wiped out.

God Help us!

upinak on March 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Sorry, this is where we get off.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM

You are going have to wait to Virgin Galatic is operational to get off from this one.

WashJeff on March 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

BTW see the part about industry relocating???

BYE BYE whats left of the manufacturing sector.

sonofdy on March 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Somebody needs to get on the PA at the UN and announce that the building will be blown up in one hour. Then an hour later, blow it up.

Patrick S on March 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I love when people say “this will be the last straw!”

As if there haven’t been a dozen such moments every single day this egotistical nutcase has been in office.

BardMan on March 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Good luck on the ammo. None to be found, except for 12 gauge and 22 shorts.

AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Glad my neighbors and I stocked up weeks ago.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Why does everyone in power feel it’s their job to control everyone else and everything?

lorien1973 on March 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Because collectively, we let them.
Oldnuke on March 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Exactly

FuriousAmerican on March 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I love when people say “this will be the last straw!

Yep, and look what’s back according to MM: Dream Act

carbon_footprint on March 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM

You are going have to wait to Virgin Galatic is operational to get off from this one.

WashJeff on March 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

I think something like this will bring thousands to DC; the least potent of items carried will be pitchforks.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 12:01 PM

upinak on March 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Wouldn’t it be funny if we found out that some stimulus money was being used by the government to buy up all the commercial ammo and the makins’? :) Removes tin foil hat.

a capella on March 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Finally the New World Order nutters can come out of the closet and stand proudly in the sunlight.

What else is it they were saying…..?

katy on March 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Sure, what could go wrong?

sonofdy on March 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM

+1

Fuquay Steve on March 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Sure why not It’s as simple As owning a chimpanzee. What could possibly go wrong?

MaiDee on March 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Somebody needs to get on the PA at the UN and announce that the building will be blown up in one hour. Then an hour later, blow it up.

Patrick S on March 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM

That would be wrong.

We just paid for a massive re-model.

myrenovations on March 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Al Gore has been promoting this for years and his company
Generation Investment Management LLP has lobbied the UN to do this for years. Why is anyone surprised by it?

JeffinSac on March 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Don’t diss the 12 gauge.

Techie on March 27, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Yep, good luck finding any ammo. I’ve had luck trying different times at Walmart, but they’re rationing it to customers. Elsewhere, if they have it, prices just keep going up.

hogfat on March 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Strangely, the market is down today.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 12:09 PM

But if you’re a follower of Star Trek, once we get through all the birth pains, death, destruction, government oppression, pograms, genocide, etc. everything will be rosey and peachy-keen and the Federation will take care of us.

Right?

AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Stop them. Please.

cs89 on March 27, 2009 at 12:10 PM

hogfat on March 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Called Academy Sports. They seem to have more than Walmart.

AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM

This will go over almost as well as vets paying for their own medical treatment.

Maxx on March 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM

all aboard the global governance train!

between this, the dastardly copyright protection plans, and special drawing rights at the IMF…the US is being integrated into the global system. not as a hegemon, but as just another player. whether this was avoidable…im not really sure. but get ready everyone!

ernesto on March 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM

This was planned a while ago. Central banking has always wanted a world centralized to one governing body with them as the financial backers.

Welcome aboard the kook train Ed. :)

How much more can conservatives take before they realize that both parties, with few exception, want this? Politicians are being led down this road and they follow willingly. Man, people need to watch The Obama Deception to get a good idea of how we are being manipulated.

This is simply a plan being executed. I ask again, why is it that no matter which party is in power we still move towards big government?

True_King on March 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Wouldn’t it be funny if we found out that some stimulus money was being used by the government to buy up all the commercial ammo and the makins’? :) Removes tin foil hat.

a capella on March 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Actually… I have wondered with that weird “serial number” ammo law, if that isn’t what is happeneing. No Conspiracy there A Cap…. right now I can’t get Ammo and I can’t have it shipped either. I am going to get my FFL friend to see if he will have it delivered to his house. :(

All the ammo I ordered over a month ago…. they refunded the money because they won’t ship it to my address. How screwed up is that!

upinak on March 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM

I used to think Glenn Beck was paranoid.

Today? Not so much.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM

This is why the administration said last weekend that they were backing off of C&T and pursuing H/C instead, they were turning it over to the UN. I said then that nothing is truly dead until there’s 6 ft. of dirt on top of it. They want it all and they want in now.

thomasaur on March 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Strangely, the market is down today.

Vashta.Nerada on March 27, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Obama spoke, market broke.

carbon_footprint on March 27, 2009 at 12:14 PM

If Obama cooperates with this, we will have willingly traded American sovereignty for rule by thieves and knaves.

Didn’t we do that when we voted for Obama in the first place?

gryphon202 on March 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM

I used to think Glenn Beck was paranoid.

Today? Not so much.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Just because one is paranoid doesn’t mean that they aren’t out to get you.

thomasaur on March 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM

I wonder how many F-150s we could make will all the steel from the Turtle Bay building.

Limerick on March 27, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Hey, why not let the UN run the energy sector?

Because they are a bunch of misanthropes that want to reduce world population by 5/6.

zmdavid on March 27, 2009 at 12:17 PM

It takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty in the Senate. Hope they have fun getting that if Obama chooses to sign up for this one.

Strick on March 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

You have to remember that this is Obambi we are talking about. Whether he gets reelected or not, he still will have to have something to campaign for next. What better than Sec. General of the UN. Although if all this man-made global warming BS continues to gain support at the UN he may have to fight the Goracle for the job.

tempestleo on March 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I remember people laughing at me when I warned about the ineptness and radicalism of Obama. I wonder if they’re laughing now?

mr.blacksheep on March 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I have always laughed a bit at the Alex Jones and Troofer crowds, and their wild stories of NWO, FEMA camps, killing off 80% of the population in gas chambers, etc etc. Makes for a great opening for a post-apocolypse action novel series, but too many holes.

This, however, seems much scarier to me. All the name of controlling the carbon dioxide pollution. CARBON DIOXIDE “POLLUTION” for crying out loud! Freaking imbiciles.

JamesLee on March 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I love when people say “this will be the last straw!”

BardMan on March 27, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I guess you were talking about my comment. The simple fact, like it or not, is there are a lot of people in this country who want Obamas policies. But i find it hard to believe, that even most Obama supporters would want the UN controlling a good portion of this countries industries. So i believe that wood be the last straw.

MDWNJ on March 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Obama – revitalising the conservative cause one policy at a time.

gwelf on March 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I guess you were talking about my comment. The simple fact, like it or not, is there are a lot of people in this country who want Obamas policies. But i find it hard to believe, that even most Obama supporters would want the UN controlling a good portion of this countries industries. So i believe that wood be the last straw.

MDWNJ on March 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM

umm , that should be “would”

MDWNJ on March 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM

It takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty in the Senate. Hope they have fun getting that if Obama chooses to sign up for this one.

Strick on March 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

They sold our children into ‘voluntary’ servitude yesterday. Abraham would have a tough time in D.C. trying to find 10.

thomasaur on March 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

That is the scariest thing I have ever read

Zetterson on March 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I’ve said that at least twenty times in the last two months.

Beagle on March 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM

There’s a sucker born every minute. This CO2 stuff reminds me of one of my favorite pranks, about “dihydrogen monoxide”

http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp

cs89 on March 27, 2009 at 12:32 PM

If Obama cooperates with this, we will have willingly traded American sovereignty for rule by thieves and knaves.

Didn’t we do that when we voted for Obama in the first place?

gryphon202 on March 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM

+ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
(otherwise known as Obama’s prospective budget)

Mommypundit on March 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I’ve said that at least twenty times in the last two months.

Beagle on March 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Oddly, it’s worse than anything we ever imagined. In action.

Mommypundit on March 27, 2009 at 12:34 PM

At what point will people rise up against this coup?

petefrt on March 27, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Sounds like the bull shit proposals they float around in Sacramento. The last one got blasted to pieces for all it’s rosy assumptions.

GarandFan on March 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I hate to be the alarmist here, but does not a ratified treaty supercede the constitution? Please tell me I am wrong.

H

Hochmeister on March 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Why does everyone in power feel it’s their job to control everyone else and everything?

lorien1973 on March 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM

How else are they going to stay in power … for life?

Friendly21 on March 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I hate to be the alarmist here, but does not a ratified treaty supercede the constitution? Please tell me I am wrong.

H

Hochmeister on March 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM

The Founders didn’t anticipate public officials ratifying treaties which directly overturned the US Constitution. So it’s a bit of an open question. The simple answer is there is no law, even treaties, higher than the US Constitution. But that’s the old pre-none-dare-call-it-what-it-is-era view.

Beagle on March 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I guess Obama’s tirades against ‘outsourcing’ have met their expiration dates.

eaglewingz08 on March 27, 2009 at 12:54 PM

thomasaur on March 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Exactly! When will the blinders come off the eyes of Republican Senators to stand up and quit allying with socialism!? It’s disgusting!

Christian Conservative on March 27, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Good luck on the ammo. None to be found, except for 12 gauge and 22 shorts.

AubieJon on March 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Reload.

ladyingray on March 27, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Reload.

ladyingray on March 27, 2009 at 1:05 PM

No powder to reload with. No brass… there isn’t much of anything right now.

upinak on March 27, 2009 at 1:06 PM

At this point if I saw a UFO, I’d start waving my arms and yelling “don’t leave me here!”

Dark-Star on March 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM

The Socialist movement has ALWAYS been an international movement.

The COMINTERN was the precursor to the Socialist movement within the U.N. The U.N. will be used to control countries and to dictate the implementation of world Socialism.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Is it me, or has anyone else heard those coercive IBM (?) ads about “smart grids” in SWEDEN?

Cake and circus, folks.

CAKE AND CIRCUSES.

seejanemom on March 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM

He promised Hope and Change

Now it is Rope & Chains.

keep the change on March 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Anybody know where the US ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty stands today?
That ought to add a nice division to the UN new world order.

tomg51 on March 27, 2009 at 1:25 PM

An idea so dumb only someone as smart as Obama would approve of it.

Socratease on March 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I hate to steal a phrase from Alex Jones, but…

Prison Planet

The chains are on, baby.

pseudonominus on March 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM

If you want the perverse logic behind it, this is simply the most efficient way to channel and spread the remaining value of the American labor force. After scamming, then raping America and stealing our future, Obama’s fellow global citizen kleptocrats are now going to make us work hard for their religion. Essentially we’ll all be coerced into tithing our remaining productivity and non-retirement to support the high priests of the planet to survive.

econavenger on March 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I am beginning to worry 1000 rounds of 5.56 isn’t going to be enough…

Badbrucskie on March 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM

–Nationalize energy
–Give massive power to unions
–Raise taxes
–Attack the rich & corporate America
–Create new entitlement programs

It’s like FDR all over again

lesssee, there were a few more….

–Create dependent classes (i.e. voting blocs)
–Prevent economic recovery
–Cripple American business
–Lessen America’s standing in the world
–Subvert Constitution
–Weaken individual freedom
–Give speeches blaming other people for the mess

29Victor on March 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM

I think we’re awfully close to the end of the world. /tinfoil hat

That said, the ‘Cuda needs to be ALL OVER stuff like this. She is one of very, very few on our side who can articulate a meaningful argument against cap and trade.

Cue Poptech in 5, 4, 3, 2, …

NoLeftTurn on March 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM

U.N.-mandated inbred trade.

whitetop on March 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM

How could someone as smart as Obama be so dead wrong on so many things?

saiga on March 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Every Republican who, through spendthrift policies over the past eight years, enabled these democrats to take over should be put in stocks and mounted in front of a 300-hp buttkicking machine.

whitetop on March 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Just when I think I’m sure people like Alex Jones need a cask of lithium tablets, stuff like this comes along.

Ryan Gandy on March 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Nor Powder, Now casings, no anything… everything is wiped out.

God Help us!

upinak on March 27, 2009 at 11:57 AM

You can find shells at salvage yards. Also, watch for estate sales and auctions. You can find reloading equipment at those.

ladyingray on March 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

He promised Hope and Change

Now it is Rope & Chains.

keep the change on March 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Brilliant!

saiga on March 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Every Republican who, through spendthrift policies over the past eight years, enabled these democrats to take over should be put in stocks and mounted in front of a 300-hp buttkicking machine.

whitetop on March 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Yes but….we needed another Jimmy Carter to get another Ronald Reagan.

We should get Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Lincoln and Washington for this yoyo. It could work out very good long term.

saiga on March 27, 2009 at 1:41 PM

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