Video: Social Security surpluses gone
posted at 10:56 am on March 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
PBS reports that the Social Security surplus, once considered safe for a generation, now may disappear in two years, next year … or may already have vanished. According to Treasury’s website, we tipped over into deficit spending of SocSec in February of this year. The sudden disappearance of SocSec surplus will have dramatic impacts on budget-deficit projections, as the clip explains, since administrations use the surplus to make the deficits look smaller than they really are:
Four years ago, George Bush took the momentum from his re-election and announced an ambitious plan for Social Security reform. Despite having sounded the warning bell on SocSec stability in the Clinton years, Democrats suddenly discovered that the system was so sound that any attempt to reform it was “radical” and and attack on benefits for senior citizens. They attacked Bush for even considering reforms along the lines of optional privatization and dug their heels into Capitol Hill until they turned blue. Democrats like Robert Casey ran on the issue in the midterms. Harry Reid said the crisis didn’t exist. Nancy Pelosi concurred. Bush eventually had to drop the issue altogether.
Of course, Democrats had some help. People like Paul Krugman, who had warned about SocSec solvency, suddenly claimed that Bush was fearmongering on the issue. Ruth Marcus took Krugman to task on this point in November 2007. The NEA threw its union membership into the fray in opposition to reform.
But they were not alone. Peter Orszag, now Barack Obama’s budget director, produced a particularly rosy projection in August of last year while working at CBO, emphasis mine:
Today, Social Security’s revenues each year are greater than its outlays, but as the baby-boom generation (people born between 1946 and 1964) continues to age, growth in the number of Social Security beneficiaries will accelerate, and outlays will grow substantially faster than revenues. CBO projects that outlays will first exceed revenues in 2019 and that the Social Security trust funds will be exhausted in 2049.2 If the law remains unchanged, the Social Security Administration (SSA) will then no longer have the legal authority to pay full benefits.
Orszag has a history of rose-colored analyses that tend to benefit those for whom he works. For instance, this paper written in 2002 by Orszag and two others insisted that the risk of Fannie Mae failure was incredibly small — one in 3 million, actually (emphases mine):
This analysis shows that, based on historical data, the probability of a shock as severe as embodied in the riskbased capital standard is substantially less than one in 500,000 – and may be smaller than one in three million.20 Given the low probability of the stress test shock occurring, and assuming that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac hold sufficient capital to withstand that shock, the exposure of the government to the risk that the GSEs will become insolvent appears quite low.
Given the extremely small probability of default by the GSEs, the expected monetary costs of exposure to GSE insolvency are relatively small — even given very large levels of outstanding GSE debt and assuming that the government would bear the costs of all GSE debt in the case of insolvency. For example, if the probability of the stress test conditions occurring is less than one in 500,000, and if the GSEs hold sufficient capital to withstand the stress test, the implication is that the expected cost to the government of providing an explicit government guarantee on $1 trillion in GSE debt is just $2 million.
Two other points are worth noting. First, analysis of the risks posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac must carefully consider the alternatives. In the absence of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, mortgage risk would likely be held by large banks and other types of financial institutions, which themselves benefit from the perception that they are “too big to fail.” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are among the largest financial institutions in the country. Even in the absence of a GSE charter it is likely that they would continue to benefit from their size, since the government has intervened on behalf of other large institutions in the past.21 …
To be sure, it is difficult to analyze extremely low-probability events, such as the one embodied in the stress test. Even if the analysis is off by an order of magnitude, however, the expected cost to the government is still very modest.
Who funded that incisive look into the risk of collapse at Fannie Mae? Er … Fannie Mae. How did that prediction work out? About as well as his Social Security projections from just seven months ago.
This is the quality of financial projections Democrats have provided over the last few years, and now we have Orszag in charge of the budget. Yesterday we pointed out the fact that even Orszag’s sunny predictions of the deficit over the next 12 years exceeds anything seen during the Bush administration — and now he’s lost the Social Security surplus for those years to mask even bigger deficits.










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All the job losses from the bush economc disaster effected this fund.
Another reason to support the stimulus and the President’s main agenda of creating jobs.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I’ll read the teleprompter transcript sometime….rather than listen to the inarticulate stumblebum.
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Both the House and Senate plans would reduce the projected deficit of $1.7 trillion for the current fiscal year by at least half by 2013……New York Times
At the risk of being redundent, if the Krugman and the minions at the NYT’s says it’s so, who are we to question the facts? Why should we worry if “our leadership” says they have everything under control? Getalife reminds me of the couple in bed when one farts and the other says “oooh, that smells just like rose pedals”.
Rovin on March 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
I hope you have plenty of Chapstick.
capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM
And Windex for the monitor.
Modern Technology is wonderful. Now Mr. President can lie to us live on the internet.
kingsjester on March 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Oh, come on now – you didn’t really expect to collect, didya?
Suckers.
mojo on March 26, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I hear soylent is quite tasty with some gubmint cheeze.
hillbillyjim on March 26, 2009 at 11:46 AM
LMAO!!! that is so funny! I sure needed a good laugh! You rock Bishop……
sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:46 AM
TOTUS is being given a starring role, today. Wow.
progressoverpeace on March 26, 2009 at 11:47 AM
o lordy…tears of laughter
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:47 AM
uh yeah that worked so well during the great depression, didn’t it??
even the europeans know better!
ever spent your way to prosperity???
doesn’t happen..duhhhh
right4life on March 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
In the harshest of situations, the ones that eat ‘longpig’ first are the survivors.
Just sayin’
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
“curriculums”
This guy’s a friggin’ genius with words.
progressoverpeace on March 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Per Daschle, that’s a little more accurate.
loudmouth883 on March 26, 2009 at 11:49 AM
The public needs to drag a guillotine up to the top of the Capitol steps and start lining up these traitors who stole the country’s future.
chromium on March 26, 2009 at 11:49 AM
There is nothing wrong with a fiat money system, nor is there anything wrong with the gold standard. They are simply two different currency systems with the inherent pros and cons present in any man made system. The fiat system offers the ability to create great wealth, but it requires a responsible government, while the gold standard offers protections against an irresponsible government, but restricts wealth creation.
Our government has been responsible enough to administer a fiat money system for decades now, and our economy has prospered. You can make an argument that we are at the end of that responsible period, and are now going to pay the piper, but that is a function of our decline, and doesn’t make the fiat money system the boogey-man.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I predicted the negative flow of ss to begin in 2010 several years ago, so I’m not far off. Look for means-testing of benefits to be passed while the dems still control congress. That means that if you have a pension plan or 401(K), you will not be entitled to get ss benefits. If it gets any worse, there is a white paper already circulating which proposes to take your 401(K) money, and replace it with ss ‘credits’.
Once all the money is gone, the real game of chicken starts, between those who want fiscal sanity through cutting gov’t spending, and those who want gov’t control. The GOP has cut taxes, hoping that the deficit will force spending cuts by gov’t, and the dems have increased spending, hoping that the threat of spending cuts forces huge tax increases. I know who I’m rooting for.
Vashta.Nerada on March 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM
“Let’s hold them accountable for being effective.”
I love the idiot messiah’s poetry.
progressoverpeace on March 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Do you even know what social security is for? It does not pay unemployment.
Is your name really Paris Hilton?
loudmouth883 on March 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM
So the unborn and the innocent should shoulder the cost?
How liberal of you.
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I know who I’m rooting for.
Vashta.Nerada on March 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM
The Patriotic Resistance?
As much as I think the pubs could make a difference, there seem to be too many of them willing to sacrifice the rest of us to feather their nests.
Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Which reminds me, i have to take a crap…
be back.
sonofdy on March 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM
No…we didn’t. I’ll continue to pay into a system that will likely be bankrupt by the time I retire. Instead of allowing me to invest my own money, I’m forced to pay for the current beneficiaries and fund my own retirement.
401k pain is temporary. The pain from a poorly run, government ponzi scheme is eternal. Assuming Obama and his crew don’t do permanent damage to the US economy, my 401k will go back up….it always has in the past.
Social Security isn’t a savings plan for foolish people…it’s welfare at this point. Most of the recipients are living longer and are drawing far more money out than they ever paid into the system during their working lives.
Asher on March 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM
loudmouth883 on March 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM
The revenue from the millions that paid ss out of their checks and lost theiir jobs is gone silly.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Yeah, and when that happens — and it will — I will liquidate everything, pay all the taxes and penalties, and be on my merry way to Costa Rica. People like getalife can hang around arranging deck chairs and wallowing in denial over 80 years of wholesale ineptitude by the Democrats but I’ll be skipping the ultimate collapse of this once great nation.
BTW is anyone listening to this assclown’s “town meeting”? He doesn’t have a fecking clue what he’s talking about.
NoLeftTurn on March 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM
On the contrary….I love hearing people who pretend they are conservative run to socialist rationalizing when their failure to act conservatively bites them in the ass.
I guess they should have been more proactive in protecting their retirement then. Failure on your part doesn’t mean you get to foist your punishment onto the innocent. Unless of course you really are a socialist.
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM
True. I am thinking of switching alliances, and rooting for national bankruptcy……
Vashta.Nerada on March 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Don’t flush before you’ve asked it how to fix the economy….it’ll make more sense than the suited turd in the White House.
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Awesome, nice to know I’ll have nothing when I retire 30 years from now.
flyawaybird on March 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Odd, you seem to be the one that thinks the innocent should be punished just the same as the guilty, which is indeed a leftist tenet.
18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Taking rush’s rhetoric to a whole new level.
Wow.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Maybe some charitable person will slip into a FixoDent factory with a bottle of arsenic….?
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Flush twice…it’s a long way to the White House.
sdd on March 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM
See, getalife? America depends on people who get off their asses and work! The more people working, the better! The more people who want to live off of others and vote their own self-interest in this regard, the more difficult life in America for everyone will be!
Maybe you can grasp this concept after all.
capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM
People like you are incapable of existence without parasitically leeching sustenance from people like us.
You’d better pray we don’t leave you to wallow in your own retarded filth.
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Why leave, because once it all collapses there will be many converts who now see the folly of the last 70 years. It will be messy, but, if the U.S. collapses, you won’t be able to run from the financial implications anyway.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM
The difference is that I didn’t rely on them. I worked to secure my retirement as I worked to elect or defeat those who bankrupted the system. The fact is that it’s time to make those pay who are responsible for the fiasco and those stupid asses who were too irresponsible to protect themselves.
You cannot CLAIM to be a conservative and then act like a socialist. The writing has been on the wall since the 80′s. WE KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME. And now that it is here, self proclaimed “conservatives” expect the fed to save their bacon.
Bwahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Tis natures way to slash and burn in order to build anew. While i dont espouse the view, i cant knock people who truly feel somethings fundamentally wrong going on; wanting to see it just come crashing down. I knew plenty of people who said very similar things during Bush’s time. “You know what, once all these idiots get whats coming to them (in the form of x natural disaster, economic collapse, world war) we’ll all be better off”
ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Of course, The President’s main agenda is jobs but he just said the layoffs are not over.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Not if you fly Affirmative Action Air
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Wow…this POTUS is a genius.
“When businesses start to sell less product and need to downsize, they will lay people off. As they expand and sell more product, they will need to hire more people. I just wanted to explain all of that to you.”
Genius.
Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Who was responsible for your retirement?
Bwahahahahahahaaaa!!!!
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 12:03 PM
But how can that be? Bush is gone!
(Yeah, that’s right – that was extreme friggin’ sarcasm.)
capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Again, adults are in charge and surrendering, cut and run to let it collapse is not an option.
Unbelievable.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
I’ve put into that system for 38 years and you’re going to blame me for the condition it’s in now? I don’t think so, buddy, that dog won’t hunt. Maybe you’re in your teens and don’t have much vested in the program, that’s the only explanation I can think of for your absurd suggestion. And by the way, who happens to be pushing off the biggest deficit in history onto future generations? Yup, you guessed it, the biggest asswipe to ever occupy the white house.
scalleywag on March 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
With a chinstrap
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:05 PM
This pitiful country deserves to go under.
The children are in charge.
Don’t forget Liberals, we conservatives have most of the guns and military training.
omnipotent on March 26, 2009 at 12:05 PM
A regular economic wizard.
I want my government-provided graham crackers, milk, and nap mat, and I want it NOW.
capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 12:05 PM
People like you are incapable of existence without parasitically leeching sustenance from people like us.
You’d better pray we don’t leave you to wallow in your own retarded filth.
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM
The problem with many parasites is that they first weaken and then eventually kill the host.
sdd on March 26, 2009 at 12:06 PM
capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
The bush collapse is saved but the bush recession continues.
Two words from our President:
Patience and persistence.
He will not surrender like the cons want to do.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness), it is the Right [and Duty] of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
OMG.
“With national health care, you just go in, tell someone you’re sick, and get treated, that’s it.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
-cough cough-
Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Hmmm….I guess that would be a stupid parasite….a smart one would take only what was sustainable and maintain the health of the host.
Stupid parasites….that’s ‘liberals’ to a T
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Bush tried to save Social Security, the Democrats killed the effort.
Bush tried to reform Fannie and Freddie well before they caused the current crisis and Democrats killed the effort.
Bush agreed to TARP in order for the money to buy the toxic assets chocking the system after the collapse of the mortgage securities market spearheaded by Fannie and Freddie then Tim Geithner and Paulson spent the money on private companies deepening the recession and kicking the can down the road.
Obama nominates the whiz kid who helped perpetuate this mess.
Obama’s whiz kid had no plan, the markets tanked.
Obama begins giant deficit spending, the Fed prints money out of whole cloth.
Democrats stoke the fires of populism by demonizing, yet again, the producers and job creators of this country.
I think you can stop blaming Bush, this has been Obama’s mess since February, and he’s making things worse, not better, with all of his spending initiatives and ridiculous budget measures. The Social Security and Medicare bubbles will make this recession look like the late 80′s – 90′s as we hit a giant generational revolution with a deficit and debt that will cause our own financial system to collapse under the weight.
If Obama’s plan was really to fix this mess, why would he risk inflation and skyrocketing deficits trying to spend our way out? Even my daughter knows you can’t spend more than you have, and spending doesn’t make a return, only investing (i.e. tax cuts) will have a chance at returning a profit to the treasury.
Enough of this blame Bush BS, I hated much of his domestic agenda too, but this is clearly a case that while Bush mismanaged Geithner/Paulson, Obama elevated and enabled them to continue steering this ship into the iceberg. If you can’t see that Obama and his chorus line in Congress are the reasons we’re heading deeper into recession then you need to go back and re-read your history.
smfoushee on March 26, 2009 at 12:08 PM
The boomers will get what they deserve and get it hard.
Techie on March 26, 2009 at 12:09 PM
You don’t sound good. You better check yourself in to a UK 3rd world hospital.
WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Take it easy big fella….window-licking stupidity may well be hilarious, but you could choke on your beverage or something.
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Just think of it, every penny and every matching penny your employer has paid into the Social Security system has been spent by the government, buying votes for themselves with your money and all that’s left is a pile of IOU’s. This is what happens when you allow your government to engage in socialistic collectivist systems. This is what happens when you trust the government with your money.
Now I understand the Democrats are wanting our IRA’s too. They want to invest that for us as well. And wow, just think about when they run our health care.
Maxx on March 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM
smfoushee on March 26, 2009 at 12:08 PM
bush failed and we are paying the price.
Get real.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Sounds like you might be getting sick. Better go see a doc while you still can.
sdd on March 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
You’re hopeless. You have your head so far up his ass he can tell what kind of shampoo you use.
capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
You do realize you’re directly addressing a complete imbecile don’t you??
BigWyo on March 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I hate to defend the President, but he is trying to explain a basic economic principle to products of the public education system, it’s one of the few times he has my sympathy.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Ugh…horrific memories….
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Ogabe just said he WILL have a national health care bill to sign this year.
Prepare yourself the best you can, if there is any money left, that plan will eat it.
Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM
There is really no such thing as a Social Security Trust Fund.
It is a single sheet of paper in a file somewhere in D.C. with a big goose egg printed on it.
-Dave
Dave R. on March 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Name calling and teleprompters shows your age.
Adults are in charge.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 12:13 PM
I’ll be back after the dust settles, but I’m not going to stick around while the wealth confiscation takes place.
Oh wait . . .
/checks airfares to San Jose
NoLeftTurn on March 26, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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Social “Security” has always been a Ponzi scheme. The retirement age to collect full benefits was set at 65 years old when life expectancy was 62 years. The government workers were given their own better retirement plans–they invest in treasury type securities that give higher–and safe–returns. Their plans can be willed to their family, dog, etc.–SS keeps the benefits when you die.
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SS used to have to keep a separate fund–other government branches could borrow against it–but had to repay with interest. President Lyndon Johnson changed this to pay for the Vietnam War. SS money from our paychecks goes into the general revenue and is spent right now–all we have is an IOU.
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Any private company that set up a Ponzi scheme like this would be shut down and their executives put in jail.
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Then check out the Medicare, Medicaid, and prescription drug plans. More soon to go broke underfunded socialist programs. And the wild spending will make things much worse as our economy tanks. 900 million dollars to help HAMAS???
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Coming soon–Cuban style poverty for all in the O’Bummer (PBUH) U.S.S.A.
***
John Bibb
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rocketman on March 26, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Go get a wire brush and scrub the chunks of donkey shit from between your teeth. Then try a box of tic-tacs for the lingering stench.
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Try to go easy on him. He obviously just learned it himself, he thinks it’s a novel idea.
NoLeftTurn on March 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM
I don’t know about you guys, but I have detected a softening in Getalife’s rhetoric over the past few weeks. It’s subtle but it seems to be there, so in a couple of years he may come around.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Does OSHA require you to wear a protective helmet when on your pay-per-post troll job?
Yoop on March 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM
As I have said so many times before, even I am getting bored of myself – we have to organize a civilian taxpayer revolt. Put the checkbooks down. Refuse to pay. Bankrupt the gubmint.
We must force the cretins of ‘getalife’s ilk, along with the fascists in office, to feel the fullest consequences of their corruption.
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Mmmmmmm…Madoff?
WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Please identify the exact piece of legislation that GWB signed that caused this so-called “collapse.”
I know exactly what bill it was that triggered this entire mess, and it wasn’t signed by GWB.
And your right, the Organizer isn’t going to surrender in the GWOT so much as he is going to just quit it.
The result will be the same.
Dave R. on March 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM
SS was never intended to be the prime source of retirement income. EVERYONE is, and should be expected to provide for their own retirement funding.
We won our personal war on poverty a while ago, and it took hella hard work and sacrifice. We’re by no means rich, but we ARE quite comfortable. Because we took advantage of advice from an extraordinarily competent and far-seeing financial advisor,SS doesn’t really figure in our retiement.
I DO feel badly for those who were not made aware of the fact that retirement funding is a PERSONAL responsibility, NOT the government’s aegis. Hell of a lesson to learn.
irongrampa on March 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM
That’s because it is getting harder and harder as each day passes for even the most brainless of the Obamabots to defend President FUBAR.
-Dave
Dave R. on March 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Actually EVERYTHING is novel to him.
I’m beginning to believe he never thought he would win and he is still reacting from a condition of being shell-shocked. I also believe he will never recover.
Yoop on March 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Don’t worry, you’re only going to a labor camp . . . . (Give Act is for every age you know)
- The Cat
MirCat on March 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Really???
Gee who would have thunk it. Obamabots must be really dumb to need this explained to them.
sonofdy on March 26, 2009 at 12:29 PM
To fellow conservatives/HotAir readers,
I beg you… PLEASE do not feed the troll that goes by the name of “getalife”. You may have all tried in the past to honestly deal with this idiot.. and in good faith as well. And i am sure you would have ended up being exasperated.
He/she is a troll-plain and simple. Not some one who genuinely wants to discuss ideas, issues. See his/her response on social security
“Name calling and teleprompters shows your age.Adults are in charge.”
Look at how (s)he never ever responds to the actual substance of the arguments against this massive Ponzi scheme that Social Security is. But how can (s)he? – how could any liberal for that matter ?
Us conservatives have a different perspective on life and how it should be lived – we are personally responsible for our retirements and for taking care of our parents in their old age, just as they provided for us when we were too young. We dont count on the younger people of the next generation to take care of our parents. That is plain embarrassing for most of us.
GetALife is an example of how liberals have never been/will never be honest with their “great F**KING society”. It is built on the figment of their fevered imaginations and emotions and the hard work of the average American.
I am from India and we are a very collectivist society – but hell, even we wouldnt fall for Ponzi schemes like SS/Medicare. My parents would be HORRIFIED that some young person is contributing 12% of EVERY PAYCHECK to their retirement. First off, they count on themselves and on a secondary level on their children to provide for their retirement. And guess what, i will be there for them. And i will take the liberty to speak for a large number of Indians who will take care of their parents in their old age.
This is a sick and cruel joke perpetrated on the American people with the active backing of retards like “getalife”. Dont bother responding this scum – (s)he isnt worth your time and energy.
Getalife provides the unintentional comedy that is needed on this site once in a while. And also an illustration of how liberals have put us into this mess by conjuring up the “common good” and moralizing on what we should be mandated to do to the older people of our generation.
Sorry i know i have rambled on, but social security was the first issue which made me see the conservative perspective of life. I pretty much knew this was going to happen – heck, every one who claims to be a conservative pretty much did. It only makes my anger and disappointment at the Republican congress of 2005 bigger. They just didnt have the balls to stand up for what they believed in. And listened to their constituents and did NOTHING.
I hope Paul Ryan, Tom Coburn, Jim DeMint get their act together and push for Bush’s original idea – with a change. Cut Social security taxes in half – and be prepared to get your “benefits” halved. No role for Govt here. You manage your own retirement however best you can.
Again, please dont feed the troll “getalife”
Thanks for your understanding.
nagee76 on March 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Wow. Somebody pooped on your chapati, didn’t they?
;)
LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Hey dumb Ass! I try to be nice but the ignorance in you just makes me seethe with anger. From Washington up to Bush TOTUS’S so called stimulus will exceed all from Wash to Bush and will over exceed the money that was used from all that time. Yes, TOTUS even beat Carter and Clinton. The people that said this are from all sides of the fence. It just wasn’t said by a Republican. So when you blame Bush that shows what a blind sheep you really are. You are truly pathetic and a clueless.
sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM
HA!
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM
I’ve been putting into the system since 1964 and guess what “buddy”? I don’t need social security to survive. You have known since the 80′s that the system was in jeopardy, and you STILL trusted the feds?
Pardon we whilst I chortle…..
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM
“Wow. Somebody pooped on your chapati, didn’t they?”
LimeyGeek,
Yep.That would be the Donkeys and the scared Elephants who dont have the courage of their convictions.
nagee76 on March 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I don’t agree with cutting benefits for true retirees but the whole benefit pie has to be shrunk. I would propose a drug test to receive benefits, with the exception of true retirees, the people who worked till 62 and then retired. Drug testing would sheer away the leeches, and apply pressure to stop drug use.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Hey Where’s that Lock Box ? Al Gore never comes through, there is no anticipated Global Warming going on right now in Nebraska, Wyoming and South Dakota. Until we get warmer weather, I say we take all his Awards Back.
Dr Evil on March 26, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Don;t you mean KY Jelly?
Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Interesting idea!
sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 12:45 PM
nagee76 on March 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Exactly. I was just considering posting a theory that getalife was actually a psychologist conducting some kind of experiment. It would explain his/her/its responses better than anything else. Logic and reason go nowhere.
I think it’s a trick. But trick or troll, I don’t want to play anymore either.
connertown on March 26, 2009 at 12:46 PM
You guys waste your time responding to getalife. getalife understands economics and government with all the depth that cows understand a passing train.
Maxx on March 26, 2009 at 12:47 PM
The Democrats will now turn to “means testing” to determine who they will allow to draw benefits. If you’ve been diligently planning your retirement – you probably aren’t going to get benefits. If you’re an illegal alien who’s never paid into the system – you probably will.
But the broken trust wont end there. I predict the government will begin to confiscate government and military retirements. And first, they will just get cut – but the cuts will become deeper and deeper.
I also predict that Roth IRA’s – with distributions that are supposedly “tax free” (because tax was paid on the money when it orginally went in) … Will be taxed AGAIN when the distributions are taken. Any why not? You greedy people made a lot of money on those things – you should be patriotic and pony up some of that free cash you got to the unfortunate.
Wholesale betrayal of government trust will soon begin.
HondaV65 on March 26, 2009 at 12:48 PM
You are right. getalife is helpless and there is no hope for that creature. Can’t talk to a rock.
sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 12:48 PM
But they/we were made aware. Since the Reagan era there has been consistent discussion on the need to stop dipping into the SS funds. We also have been aware that they haven’t revamped the system or becomes fiscally responsible.
I am simply NOT going to sit by and listen to self proclaimed “conservatives” complain about the government letting them down when it comes to SS.
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Chapstick is for volunteers, KY is for non-voluntary participants.
Vashta.Nerada on March 26, 2009 at 12:48 PM
You are right Maxx and i give up. I will just ignore the creature.
sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Why do that? It isn’t like the shit bag is to be taken seriously. It’s fun to hold up a mirror and show it what it is. It is simply a useful tool who spews little balls of donkey shit out of it’s throat every time it opens it’s mouth. And that trail of shit is gobbled up by it’s moonbat ilk.
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM
No, the Clintonites are in charge.
And don’t forget, these “adults” sat on their Algores and ignored Enron cooking their books for half a decade before Chimpy took office.
And before that, they took credit for an economic recovery that began in March of 1991-18 months before they assumed power.
I won’t even get into how those “adults” in charge ignored the growing threat of Islamic terrorism. We all know how that worked out.
Begala is paying you too much, kid. Consider yourself lucky to have a job.
Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Wow, the most intelligent post from getalife I personaly have ever seen. BRAVO.
May I recommend next time you strive to advance to the mind boggling retort: HA HA!!!
sonofdy on March 26, 2009 at 12:54 PM
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