Video: Social Security surpluses gone

posted at 10:56 am on March 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

PBS reports that the Social Security surplus, once considered safe for a generation, now may disappear in two years, next year … or may already have vanished.  According to Treasury’s website, we tipped over into deficit spending of SocSec in February of this year. The sudden disappearance of SocSec surplus will have dramatic impacts on budget-deficit projections, as the clip explains, since administrations use the surplus to make the deficits look smaller than they really are:

Four years ago, George Bush took the momentum from his re-election and announced an ambitious plan for Social Security reform. Despite having sounded the warning bell on SocSec stability in the Clinton years, Democrats suddenly discovered that the system was so sound that any attempt to reform it was “radical” and and attack on benefits for senior citizens.  They attacked Bush for even considering reforms along the lines of optional privatization and dug their heels into Capitol Hill until they turned blue.  Democrats like Robert Casey ran on the issue in the midterms.  Harry Reid said the crisis didn’t existNancy Pelosi concurred.  Bush eventually had to drop the issue altogether.

Of course, Democrats had some help.  People like Paul Krugman, who had warned about SocSec solvency, suddenly claimed that Bush was fearmongering on the issue.  Ruth Marcus took Krugman to task on this point in November 2007.  The NEA threw its union membership into the fray in opposition to reform.

But they were not alone.  Peter Orszag, now Barack Obama’s budget director, produced a particularly rosy projection in August of last year while working at CBO, emphasis mine:

Today, Social Security’s revenues each year are greater than its outlays, but as the baby-boom generation (people born between 1946 and 1964) continues to age, growth in the number of Social Security beneficiaries will accelerate, and outlays will grow substantially faster than revenues. CBO projects that outlays will first exceed revenues in 2019 and that the Social Security trust funds will be exhausted in 2049.2 If the law remains unchanged, the Social Security Administration (SSA) will then no longer have the legal authority to pay full benefits.

Orszag has a history of rose-colored analyses that tend to benefit those for whom he works.  For instance, this paper written in 2002 by Orszag and two others insisted that the risk of Fannie Mae failure was incredibly small — one in 3 million, actually (emphases mine):

This analysis shows that, based on historical data, the probability of a shock as severe as embodied in the riskbased capital standard is substantially less than one in 500,000 – and may be smaller than one in three million.20  Given the low probability of the stress test shock occurring, and assuming that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac hold sufficient capital to withstand that shock, the exposure of the government to the risk that the GSEs will become insolvent appears quite low.

Given the extremely small probability of default by the GSEs, the expected monetary costs of exposure to GSE insolvency are relatively small — even given very large levels of outstanding GSE debt and assuming that the government would bear the costs of all GSE debt in the case of insolvency. For example, if the probability of the stress test conditions occurring is less than one in 500,000, and if the GSEs hold sufficient capital to withstand the stress test, the implication is that the expected cost to the government of providing an explicit government guarantee on $1 trillion in GSE debt is just $2 million.

Two other points are worth noting. First, analysis of the risks posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac must carefully consider the alternatives. In the absence of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, mortgage risk would likely be held by large banks and other types of financial institutions, which themselves benefit from the perception that they are “too big to fail.” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are among the largest financial institutions in the country. Even in the absence of a GSE charter it is likely that they would continue to benefit from their size, since the government has intervened on behalf of other large institutions in the past.21 …

To be sure, it is difficult to analyze extremely low-probability events, such as the one embodied in the stress test. Even if the analysis is off by an order of magnitude, however, the expected cost to the government is still very modest.

Who funded that incisive look into the risk of collapse at Fannie Mae?  Er … Fannie Mae. How did that prediction work out?  About as well as his Social Security projections from just seven months ago.

This is the quality of financial projections Democrats have provided over the last few years, and now we have Orszag in charge of the budget.  Yesterday we pointed out the fact that even Orszag’s sunny predictions of the deficit over the next 12 years exceeds anything seen during the Bush administration — and now he’s lost the Social Security surplus for those years to mask even bigger deficits.

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These people all suck! Hang every last one of them for treason, I say.

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Biggest Popzi scheme of them all.

Makes Madoff look like a piker.

rbj on March 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Why does this not shock me? Scares me? Yes. Shocks me? NO!

capejasmine on March 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM

These people all suck! Hang every last one of them for treason, I say.

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I agree. These crooks are sitting in D.C. taking our money and spending it like water. Hang them all. They need to go and go now.

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Did AlGore steal that little lock box?

coldwarrior on March 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM

So how many trillions are we looking at for Obama’s first deficit now then? 2? 3? More?

Democrats have been very successful at creating crises and then exploiting them, while demonizing Republicans for trying to address them. Why do I feel we are about to see this play out again?

18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Good news. Let it collapse. Let the fraud be revealed.

LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM

We should toss some of of pretend money in that fund.

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM

2 points.

1) Bush style reform would mean that the pain felt by 401k’s right now would be hitting those who are even less able to withstand it. We dodged a bullet.

2) Democrats playing politics with this issue is infinitely worse. At least Bush had a will to reform (albeit a reform that would make the current situation worse). Democrats simply ignore the issue. Its like they’re children, without a full understanding of the consequences of their actions…

ugh…i used to be able to slam republicans often. but day after day this new political climate of dems in charge is making it painfully obvious that for all their failings (and they have plenty), republicans are preferable.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM

That’s ok. We can just bail out Social Security.

Doughboy on March 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Government for the idiots, run by the idiots.

MDWNJ on March 26, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Has there ever been a greater triumvirate of looters then Obama, Reid, and Pelosi?

Also, more and more it appears we are paying a serious price for the Dems successfully blocking Bush’s attempted reforms – Social Security, Fannie Mae, etc…

18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:05 AM

With the bankruptcy of social security and the hyperinflation from Obama’s spending spree, our retirement plans are going up in flames. This is not the change we had hoped for.

petefrt on March 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Time to raise the taxes again.

MBuck on March 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM

If we don’t make very substantial gains in 2010, you can shut the barn door and watch the horse run over the horizen forever. That is our only chance and even then, the present crop of incumbent pubbies doesn’t allow much confidence. 2012 is too late.

a capella on March 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Look for Social Security cap for taxes to be lifted!! I’m sure Team Chicago Jesus and the donks will try to blame the evil Republicans.

Dire Straits on March 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Next up – FDIC and SIPC insurance funds go bust, and the inevitable gov’t bailout mandates that all 401(k), IRA, and every other type of retirement fund be converted to a gov’t insured (ha!) retirement fund running in parallel to Social Security. This gives the big O a new multi-trillion dollar slush fund to spend, in exchange for another stack of worthless gov’t IOUs just like with SS. Swell.

Mr. Pickles on March 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Well this is good news, I can’t wait to collect my monthly $.24 when I hit that magic age, especially knowing just how much money I poured into the SS coffers over the years.

Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Does this mean we can stop paying social security out of our paychecks now?

:)

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM

But.. I still don’t have to worry about putting gas in my car or paying my mortgage, right?…..Right??

Star20 on March 26, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Look, its Bush’s fault.

He was aware of the problem years ago and didn’t try hard enough to get reform passed. Yet another prime example of the Bush failure legacy.

Signed,

N. Pelosi

BobMbx on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

1) Bush style reform would mean that the pain felt by 401k’s right now would be hitting those who are even less able to withstand it. We dodged a bullet.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM

From what i remember, the Bush plan was you could only invest a portion of your social security, and it would be limited to what you could invest in. So that what you chose to invest in was a very low risk investment. Would be curious to know how low risk investments are fairing right now.

MDWNJ on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM

You and me both.

becki51758 on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I say we cut ALL social security benefits for the baby boomers. Since it was they who voted in the asswipes who have bankrupted our system, why shouldn’t they bear the consequences? Why push this off onto our future generations?

csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Time to raise the taxes again.

MBuck on March 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Actually, we are already beyond raising taxes to cover teh Obama deficits.

The choices are going to be default or hyperinflation.

I have to admit either will certainly be change…

18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM

No surprise here. Since 1973, the liberals have been aborting the future workforce to the tune of about 1.5 million per year. The population is growing older and closer to the age when they will need their social security. In 1991, those first legally aborted workers would have either been entering the workforce full time or entering college. From that point, the deficit of workers entering the workforce has increased each year by another 1.5 million – a deficit of workers paying into the social security fund.

America’s chickens…are coming home…to roost.

AubieJon on March 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Social Seccurity is the mother of all Ponzi schemes.

TexasJew on March 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM

petefrt on March 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM

I am retired and will be more dependent on SS than I ever imagined after what has happened to funds I had sequestered for retirement. OTOH, it does make me wonder about the wisdom of SS privatization, but the present Ponzi scheme is also unacceptable. At any rate, I’ll have company.

a capella on March 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM

ernesto, your first point is incorrect. It was a very small pilot program, voluntary, and for workers who are still quite young and have many more years to work and recover. Also, it would have been a small percentage of their payroll taxes, the rest would have still gone into the general ss pot.

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Good news. Let it collapse. Let the fraud be revealed.

LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Now wait a minute! I’ve got good money invested in that fraud!

Shy Guy on March 26, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I say we cut ALL social security benefits for the baby boomers. Since it was they who voted in the asswipes who have bankrupted our system, why shouldn’t they bear the consequences? Why push this off onto our future generations?

csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Because it was a small majority that chose this fate. Just like us with President Ocession.

18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Robert Casey, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi….

Does anyone else see how easy it is for Obama to be the smartest guy in that room?

ChrisM on March 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM

From what i remember, the Bush plan was you could only invest a portion of your social security, and it would be limited to what you could invest in. So that what you chose to invest in was a very low risk investment. Would be curious to know how low risk investments are fairing right now.

MDWNJ on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I also thought it was for younger Americans, who wouldn’t be drawing on it for many years (and isn’t it pretty much accepted that there won’t be SS available for young people as it is?). And recovery is coming. I know that, because Obama said it was.

/

capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM

1) Bush style reform would mean that the pain felt by 401k’s right now would be hitting those who are even less able to withstand it. We dodged a bullet.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM

That was one of the most misleading things in 2005; 401(k) does not equal all money in stock market. I can, if I choose, have all my money in a money market account. I think it is even legal to buy gold in your 401(k). Bush did a horrible job explaing this in 2005.

I am going to need a Cone of Silence over my desk reading these daily posts lest my screams scare my co-workers. THIS IS DOWN RIGHT SCARY!!!

WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM

the rest would have still gone into the general ss pot.

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM

The pot would be heated up and the money (and wealth) would evaporate.

WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM

I also thought it was for younger Americans, who wouldn’t be drawing on it for many years

I believe you are right.

And recovery is coming. I know that, because Obama said it was.

/

capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Hahahaha

MDWNJ on March 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM

That was one of the most misleading things in 2005; 401(k) does not equal all money in stock market. I can, if I choose, have all my money in a money market account. I think it is even legal to buy gold in your 401(k). Bush did a horrible job explaing this in 2005.

I am going to need a Cone of Silence over my desk reading these daily posts lest my screams scare my co-workers. THIS IS DOWN RIGHT SCARY!!!

WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM

while this is true, the insinuation was that the market reforms would provide a higher rate of return (through the wonderous efficiency of the market at distributing capital) than the government could provide. it was sold as a way to get us more bang for our buck, not as a way to provide a more secure retirement.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM

I have a simpler way of describing how the Trust Fund works:

Congress spends our FICA taxes as fast as they come in.
In return, they place an IOU in the trust fund, promising that a FUTURE congress will pay the tab.

Now the IOUs are coming due. So: where does Congress get the money to repay me? Why, from ME, of course.

Madoff couldn’t have done it better.

jeanneb on March 26, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Democrat obstructionism coming home to roost.

Well hell, while the printing press is still warm….

Where does it end?

At least when Obumble and Nancy decide to nationalize individual retirement accounts and the like, there won’t be much left to lose, as their value is being assaulted systematically as we speak.

hillbillyjim on March 26, 2009 at 11:20 AM

The pot would be heated up and the money (and wealth) would evaporate.

WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM

But the private accounts would still be there, wouldn’t they?

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Good news. Let it collapse. Let the fraud be revealed.

LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM

It looks like we’re not going to have a choice about it, anyway. They’ll only stop these unconstitutional entitlements after everything else is gone, already. This is pure suicide, and it’s going to be a nasty, painful one, too. Like Sep 2008, but 1000000 times as bad.

progressoverpeace on March 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Thank goodness w failed with his scam.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Since 1983, when Social Security taxes were increased to create the surplus intended to fund the retirement of the baby boomers, Social Security has become the largest domestic purchaser of U.S. government debt. Because of that, if the Social Security surplus disappears, the U.S. will be in a world of hurt since the politicians will not be able to support their spending plans.

In that case, look for the politicians to respond by hiking taxes dramatically. Since that would be unpopular, a more likely alternative is that they’ll act to force U.S. taxpayers to purchase ever-increasing amounts of U.S. debt – trying to mask what’s effectively a massive tax hike by making it look like a retirement program – and to do that, they’ll also act to kill alternative retirement options, such as 401(k)-type plans, arguing that they’re “too risky.”

Never mind the massive risk to which they would be subjecting U.S. taxpayers. It’s not like they’re not already considering this option….

ironman on March 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM

I say we cut ALL social security benefits for the baby boomers. Since it was they who voted in the asswipes who have bankrupted our system, why shouldn’t they bear the consequences? Why push this off onto our future generations?

csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Well, there is a fundamental issue of fairness. The boomers have been funding it for the past 45 years, and people have factored SS into their retirement plans.

I know you don’t like to hear that.

BigD on March 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Thank goodness w failed with his scam.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM

far better to be in effect taxed double to recieve what will be within twenty years an imaginary benefit….

sven10077 on March 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Good news. Let it collapse. Let the fraud be revealed.

LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM

To understate the issue, the coming collapse is going to be worse then you can imagine.

On the positive side, the current corrupt system will be going away. On the negative side it is likely what we are going to get will be worse.

18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM

ugggggggggg!

petunia on March 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Blame President Bush for leaving this mess behind.

With Obama killing employment, we have less people paying in.

seven on March 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

But the private accounts would still be there, wouldn’t they?

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 11:20 AM

No. Once the SS pot is gone, the politicians will tax your private retirement account to “replenish” it.

WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

So Social Security is running out or has ran out of money? The Unions guarantee that retirement’s won’t run out. Our Government makes sure that Union workers get theirs. So now, how is that? They will take care of Union workers, and the head crooks, but cannot make sure that Social Security is safe for regular retiree’s?

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Thank goodness w failed with his scam.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Um, how is having control over a portion of your own money a scam. But letting the government confiscate your money and spend it, and give you an IOU, not a scam???

MDWNJ on March 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I remember that when Fred Thompson was a candidate, and even before that, he had direction and a backbone to deal with the SocSec problem.

That was why I was a big Fred Head back them (and would be again if he would apply himself properly to campaigning).

Reap…sow.

connertown on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Again, with letting it collapse. Surrender, cut and run.

Again, adults are in charge and they will not let it collapse to crush the Seniors.

Unbelievable.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

This is truly one of the great disapointments in the Republican party in the last few years.

They pushed on the Mediscare Drug crapola, but dropped SS reform at the first sign of trouble.

That said I still voted against Obama.

DavidM on March 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM

ironman on March 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM

That does make sense. What happens when hyperinflation hits?

a capella on March 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM

I think every lib idiot that voted for obama should be the ones to fund his spending plan and fund the SS coffers. Starting with getalife.

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Why does this not shock me? Scares me? Yes. Shocks me? NO!

capejasmine on March 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM

It sounds almost familiar.

Remember when all those Dems were going on about how great things were at Fannie and Freddie and we all know how that went down. Now we have SS which the Dems also prevented any reform from going to and it looks to be happening again.

Yakko77 on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Take the next step, e. Had Congress enacted legislation to tighten up Fannie and Freddie when the Bush Admin requested it in, what? 2003, or even if they had passed the legislation John McCain proposed in 2007, we would not be in this financial crisis. So, if they had passed SocSec reform and done the other things Republicans pushed for, people’s 401Ks would not be suffering and SocSec would be on the way to solvency instead of bankruptcy.

Kafir on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I remember that when Fred Thompson was a candidate, and even before that, he had direction and a backbone to deal with the SocSec problem.

That was why I was a big Fred Head back them (and would be again if he would apply himself properly to campaigning).

Reap…sow.

connertown on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I loved Fred Thompson as well. He is on my twitter. I do hope that he runs again and does apply himself more appropriately on his campaign. He has some fantastic idea’s.

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM

How did obama pay for his spending this year? I think we now know. Anyone here planning to retire on social security is now F’ed.

sonofdy on March 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Like Sep 2008, but 1000000 times as bad.

progressoverpeace on March 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM

You mean….92008000000?

LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

PBS reports that the Social Security surplus, once considered safe for a generation, now may disappear in two years, next year … or may already have vanished. According to Treasury’s website, we tipped over into deficit spending of SocSec in February of this year.

Just as Baby Boomers reach retirement age. Brilliant!

I’m positive that the younger generations are so philanthropically minded that they don’t mind working hard to make sure that Boomers get their Social Security, Medicare and prescription drug entitlements, all the while chipping away at Barry’s deficits. Intergenerational conflict? Nah, not a possibility…

obladioblada on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Sorry, you’re out of money. Someone has to fund it. The Chinese?

a capella on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

not as a way to provide a more secure retirement.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM

A secure retirement for all is a falacy that politicians cannot speak about. No retirement is a 100% secure. For example, steelworkers thought they hat a secure pension, but lost it in bunkruptcy.

The best retirement plan does not start with money, it starts with a lasting marriage and stable family with kids. While my parents can take care of themselves financially, I would never let them be without food, clothing and shelter. I expect my kids will be the same because of the values my wife and I instill in them.

WashJeff on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I think every lib idiot that voted for obama should be the ones to fund his spending plan and fund the SS coffers. Starting with getalife.

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM

One of the great problems with the modern version of American democracy is that 51% of the populace can take almost anything away from the other 49%. It is why the founders put in all those checks on majority rule that have been falling by the wayside over the years.

You, I, and the rest of the NObama contingent are going to have to pay through the nose for Obama and his allies abject failures.

18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Again, adults are in charge….
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Huh?

You’re counting on “adults” to save us?
The “adults” seems to want to fix everything with a printing press, so far.

Have you no concept of history? Great empires come and go. It took longer for Rome to fall, but fall it did.

connertown on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Social Security was a flawed system from the beginning. Too bad it’s the ultimate “too big to fail” entity. What happens when something that is doomed is deemed “to big to fail”?

zmdavid on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

My mother-in-law has now become the new poster child for the future. She worked full time until she was 84, not because she had to, but because she wanted to. Pretty soon, we’ll all have to “want to” work until we’re 84.

College Prof on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Again, adults are in charge and they will not let it collapse to crush the Seniors.

Unbelievable.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Hey dumbass, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO DO THAT????

ugh. Don’t answer, I already know, huge new taxes on everyone.

sonofdy on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Again, with letting it collapse. Surrender, cut and run.

Again, adults are in charge and they will not let it collapse to crush the Seniors.

Unbelievable.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

You live in your own little world don’t you? You don’t look at both sides of the fence. Only one side. Don’t cry when you are proved wrong. Think our Government cares about the Seniors? If they had their way they would have them all institutionalized. They have no regard for the Seniors.

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I say we cut ALL social security benefits for the baby boomers. Since it was they who voted in the asswipes who have bankrupted our system, why shouldn’t they bear the consequences? Why push this off onto our future generations?

csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 AM

If you’ve ever voted you’ve voted for the a__wipes you describe. They’re in both parties. And if you have not voted you’ve conceded the floor to them. You’re as responsible as anyone else.

sdd on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Time to raise the taxes again.

MBuck on March 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM
——-
Time to reduce my productivity again…

Mew

acat on March 26, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Again, adults are in charge and they will not let it collapse to crush the Seniors.

Unbelievable.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM

and how are these ‘adults’ gonna stop it?? hmmmm?? raise taxes? inflate the money supply to pay back seniors with worthless paper??

both?

socialism is a ponzi scheme…our government will collapse..deservedly so. the ideas you espouse are FAILURES…and they ALWAYS fail…how come people like you never learn???

is it just a lust for power over other people’s lives??

right4life on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Kafir on March 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Ask Tom Delay why they didn’t reign in fannie and freddie in 2003…don’t ask me.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

a capella on March 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I’m headed that way too. We may be watching the currency go up in flames, but as retirees, at least we won’t have to worry about soaring unemployment. :)

petefrt on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Think our Government cares about the Seniors? If they had their way they would have them all institutionalized. They have no regard for the Seniors.

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Seniors always vote.

You betcha they care.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

The sand castles of debt we’ve built are coming down. I am glad, in a way, that during my lifetime I get to see the final outcome of so many social experiments. Will we be able to declare these experiments failures and forever do away with entitlements?

DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

They have no regard for the Seniors.

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

don’t worry, under OBAMACARE…there will be fewer seniors that need to be supported…

if you’re old you better not get sick…

right4life on March 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM

You mean….92008000000?

LimeyGeek on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Heh.

progressoverpeace on March 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM

I’ll always remember congress giving themselves a standing ovation for defeating SS reform. This was during Bush’s address to them after winning reelection. That’s a clip that should be revived once SS goes belly up!

Wine_N_Dine on March 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Don’t forget AARP. They fear mongered the senior citizens into going against Bush’s Social Security reform too, thereby dooming all subsequent generations to be victims of this Maddof scheme.
Of course with this recent downturn on Wall St no retirement plan is safe but I will bet you if we can by some miracle avoid a socialization of Wall St investments tied to the stock market and other financial ventures will recover long before Social Security ever does.

Just A Grunt on March 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

SO, the high price of gasoline last year led to a HUGE increase in the cost of living adjustment in Social Security?

Sound like a GREAT reason to keep oil prices LOW. ANWR, should be drilled. Speed limits should be reduced.

originalpechanga on March 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Ask Tom Delay why they didn’t reign in fannie and freddie in 2003…don’t ask me.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

better ask DODD and the other democrat senators who filibustered it…

right4life on March 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

My wife has a cousin who has Down’s syndrome. When Clinton was running for his first term as Pres., her cousin latched onto him and collected anything that had a picture. He could spew the Clinton line since he knew how to read. if we ever got tired of the drivel, we would just ask him why he liked Clinton. He’d just continue to spew without reason.

getalife is like that.

AubieJon on March 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Anyone here planning to retire on social security is now F’ed.

sonofdy on March 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Now? It’s been this way for quite some time. Anyone under the age of sixty and in decent health should not have been planning on retiring on social security.

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

If green wafers start appearing on the shelves of your local grocery store, and you haven’t heard from Grandma in a while…well…

Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Seniors always vote.

You betcha they care.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

You need to wake up getalife. I saw a post of yours last night. For once you made sense. Doesn’t matter how we and the Senior’s vote. Our Votes don’t count. The Electorate has the final say. You should see of what is going on that We the voters have no say and that our Corrupt Government don’t care at all. None of us has a say. Open your eyes, and start reading and researching on all sides of the tables.

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM

They keep talking about the trust fund, but it contains nothing of value. The trust fund consists of non-negotiable bonds issued by the government to the government which is why it is considered part of the national debt. Money will have to be taken from general revenues or otherwise found to redeem these IOUs.

And if the Fed approaches the problem by inflating the money supply, this will lead to increases in the COLA. It’s a vicious cycle.

Is everyone starting to see the problem with fiat money?

Laurence on March 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM

So does this mean I will no longer have to pay into this racket at the tune of 15% of my income every year? If so, it’s welcome news to me as I never expected to see a dime of the money anyway.

NoLeftTurn on March 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

The sand castles of debt we’ve built are coming down. I am glad, in a way, that during my lifetime I get to see the final outcome of so many social experiments…
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Yes. Perhaps going to the Renaissance Fair will count as “job training” within our lifetime as well. Depends on how fast it all comes down.

And we almost had this “universe” thing figured out.

connertown on March 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

So does this mean I will no longer have to pay into this racket at the tune of 15% of my income every year? If so, it’s welcome news to me as I never expected to see a dime of the money anyway.

NoLeftTurn on March 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Yes, now it will be 90%.

zmdavid on March 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM

The first online town hall with a President is starting.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM

If green wafers start appearing on the shelves of your local grocery store, and you haven’t heard from Grandma in a while…well…

Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Dang it – now I gotta clean my keyboard.

Nice one.

connertown on March 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Next up – FDIC and SIPC insurance funds go bust, and the inevitable gov’t bailout mandates that all 401(k), IRA, and every other type of retirement fund be converted to a gov’t insured (ha!) retirement fund running in parallel to Social Security. This gives the big O a new multi-trillion dollar slush fund to spend, in exchange for another stack of worthless gov’t IOUs just like with SS. Swell.

Mr. Pickles on March 26, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Interestingly, I remember a number of leftwing economists discussing just this proposal shortly before the election. Of course Dems and their flacks all denied they would consider “nationalizing” retirement funds.

18-1 on March 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Is everyone starting to see the problem with fiat money?

Laurence on March 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM

This is not a problem with fiat currency. This is a problem with cowards and morons infesting our government and our courts. You can thank irresponsible, universal suffrage along with a crippling amount of democratic mechanisms in use.

progressoverpeace on March 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Soylent Green is People!

(obligatory Charlton Heston impression)

Words you never want to hear: We’re from the Government and we’re here to help.

kingsjester on March 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Fire all their asses!

BetseyRoss on March 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM

The first online town hall with a President is starting.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I hope you have plenty of Chapstick.

capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM

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