Paul Ryan: I probably shouldn’t have voted for that AIG bonus tax, huh?

posted at 4:28 pm on March 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

I remain a fan, but the ineptness of his excuse here is positively Steele-esque.

“Now, that I know – which I didn’t at the time – that this is unconstitutional, I wouldn’t have voted the same way,” Ryan said during a taping of C-Span’s “Newsmakers” on Thursday – the show is set to air on Sunday. POLITICO was one of the participants in the Ryan interview.

Ryan blames confusion about the constitutionality of the plan on Democrats for rushing the bill through the House.

“You rush this thing to the floor. Nobody had time to review it,” Ryan said on the CSPAN program, adding that lawmakers “got conflicting advice on it” before the vote…

But the conservative still agrees with the underlying principle behind the bill.

“The message was sent that should have been sent,” Ryan said. “These bonuses were completely ridiculous. They rewarded failure.”

The message was sent, all right. Say, didn’t he … take an oath about protecting the Constitution? Is that now optional in the bank-seizing era of Hopenchange? Arguably, in fact, the tax is constitutional, but he shouldn’t have needed a team of lawyers to raise a red flag: Our own commenters were crying “bill of attainder” as soon as news broke that Congress was thinking about it. Ryan, of course, was also one of the Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for the original TARP, something for which I don’t fault him but pretty much all of you do. If he wanted to “send a message,” maybe he should have sent it then, yes?

He’s still one of the GOP’s young stars, but one more wrong vote on a high-profile bill and his vaunted economic cred will be permanently damaged. And speaking of which, this just in about the GOP’s new alternative mini-budget released today: “Cantor and Ryan were reportedly ’embarrassed’ by the document — believing it was better to absorb a week of hits from Democrats than to be slammed for failing to produce a thoughtful and detailed alternative.”


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And these are the people who we elect into positions of power and to be on our side.

Great! DUH, comes to mind!

upinak on March 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Yes, as lame as Steele’s “strategery” excuse.

Hopefully he has learned his lesson.

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Dolts.

jbh45 on March 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

He also supported the UAW bailout.

Mark1971 on March 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

You rush this thing to the floor. Nobody had time to review it

So his excuse is: he voted for it because he didn’t have time to read it. Gotcha.

radiofreevillage on March 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Piss on ALL the back pedaling “presentee” voters who have a sore rump and a bad taste in their mouthes when they wake up from voting with the mob.

Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

seejanemom on March 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Say, didn’t he … take an oath about protecting the Constitution?

Yes, but technically, the oath didn’t require that he read it.

capitalist piglet on March 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM

John Boehner needs to go. He reminds me of a bloodhound lumbering around. As for Ryan voting for the AIG bonus mess – here’s a novel idea…. when in doubt, vote no. If they are rushing something through, it probably doesn’t pass the smell test. That was a huge vote mistake for Ryan and the two Congressmen from our area, Bobby Bright and Mike Rogers. We are watching this stuff and we will get rid of the problem in the primaries.

suzyk on March 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Hey, at least they’re recognizing that this is 20 lbs o’ shit in a 10 lbs bag.

Akzed on March 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

When you lay down with whores you wake up with crabs.

Chuck Schick on March 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

wow… this is comforting…

Hmm… we didn’t have sufficient time to review it, so I’ll just go along with it…

DEFAULT position for DEM or GOP or IND in DC needs to be OPPOSE IT ALL! After you have sufficient time to review it, then decide, but to SUPPORT something w/o the facts is clearly wreckless… or wreckless in not knowing which is punishable in court.

hahah.. what a joke. Good news is he appears to have got the message.

gatorboy on March 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

he voted for it before he was against it. he should run for president.

sesquipedalian on March 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Hilarious.

Got principles?

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

“It was wrong? Oh – I wouldn’t have voted for it if I knew it was wrong.”

If you can’t tell right from wrong, you shouldn’t be in Congress!

hawksruleva on March 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Mr. Ryan, let me give you some advice. If someone is trying to shove a bill through quickly, and you don’t have time to read it, even if after you read it you agree with it. Don’t vote for it.

He sounds like all those people who signed those Mortgage Loans and then come back later and said, but I didn’t know what a Balloon Payment was.

PappaMac on March 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Running with the bulls… and getting covered in the manure.

profitsbeard on March 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Oh yeah – they sent a message all right. The message that all the guys who stayed with a sinking ship at AIG should have bolted for other jobs instead of hanging around thinking that they might collect on promised retention payments.

Seems like every promise in the land of D’Ohbama comes with an expiration date. Even those with contracts…

Diogenes Online on March 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

“You rush this thing to the floor. Nobody had time to review it,” Ryan said

There seems to be a rash of that kind of thing these days in the halls of congress.

Some libtard congress critter is going to tuck a provision behind page 1436 in some stupid emergency farm bill (you know, the kind that just absolutely, positively HAS to be passed overnight, else the planet will implode) and we are going to wake up one morning and discover that Barack Hussein Obama has been designated king for life.

-Dave

Dave R. on March 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Note to Congress: if they don’t give you time to read it, it’s probably a bad idea.

patriette on March 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

What is wrong with standing up and saying “I am not voting for a bill I have not had a chance to read”…no one worth anything would attack them…and the ones that do, he just looks at them and say “Did you read the bill?”.
What a stupid, foolish action they took…no action is better then a bad action when it comes to voting for bills.

right2bright on March 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

So his excuse is: he voted for it because he didn’t have time to read it. Gotcha.

radiofreevillage on March 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Succinct and to the point!

right2bright on March 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

I don’t think I’d be getting to uppity there, young’en. If’n your wanting to talk hilarity on principles, may I bring to mind Chris Dodd & Timothy Geithner within the last two weeks?

PappaMac on March 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Arguably, in fact, the tax is constitutional

Only in a living breathing hacking wheezing Constitutional sort of way….

Just like with Ex Post Facto laws, the Constitution itself is clear, Congress can’t go there… but the courts have decided otherwise for some weird reason, putting in a distinction between civil and criminal law… which is CLEARLY not in the Constitution.

This is a Bill of Attainder… its a law which uses the Tax system to Take the legal property of a small group of people… this is clearly meant to be a punishment, as the 90% tax is an ADDED tax… and you would still have to pay standard income tax on this money as well…

Meaning it takes MORE money than they would be paid by the bonus…. not just the bonus money…. its CLEARLY meant to punsih, for a perfectly legal transaction.

Romeo13 on March 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Weimar Republicans – The 85 -, the first step toward recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Paul Ryan has admitted his failings and should be welcomed back into the fold.

Angry Dumbo on March 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Note to Congress: if they don’t give you time to read it, it’s probably a bad idea.

patriette on March 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Note to republicans in Congress: If this pack of democrats presents a bill, vote no.

AubieJon on March 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Among the young wanna-bes, Ryan, Cantor, and Putnam all harmed themselves with their votes of the AIG Lynching Bill, which were conditioned by probably misread opportunism, and in Cantor’s case by personal complications (his wife works for a TARP recipient; also, for all Cantor’s hype and for all the good he’s done, this is his second major missed opportunity going back to the first TARP vote). They help make it clear why it’s so hard to generate leadership from within Congressional ranks, at least until someone figures out how to seize strategic initiative: The Rs need a lot more Newt, a lot less Bob Michel – or let Rush remain the Republican regent as we await the arrival of forces from outside DC.

CK MacLeod on March 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I wonder if Ryan is a lawyer… because only the product of the legal education system in this country could possibly not have known that the bill in question was both an ex post facto law and a bill of attainder.

I’m pretty sure the Constitution was written so that people who are not lawyers might be capable of being entrusted to represent us in Congress.

Russ on March 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Amen PappaMac.

And Obama, Cuomo, Emanuel, and others knew about this long before the public. Principles? Maybe someone needs to look up the definition, and realize, that this should apply to ALL our elected officials.

capejasmine on March 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM

He sounds like all those people who signed those Mortgage Loans and then come back later and said, but I didn’t know what a Balloon Payment was.

PappaMac on March 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Exactly.

These guys have got to pull their heads out and start looking for fights on issues like this one, so that, when the bill finally comes due for fiscal insanity, there’s no doubt where they and the party and the movement stood.

CK MacLeod on March 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Succinct and to the point!

Can I apply to HotAir as a subtitle writer? Allah is generally good but I know whom I could beat easily.

radiofreevillage on March 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Obama promoted threatening these folks lives. He should have been more responsible.

tomas on March 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Cantor and Ryan were reportedly ‘embarrassed’ by the document — believing it was better to absorb a week of hits from Democrats than to be slammed for failing to produce a thoughtful and detailed alternative.

why, it’s clearly a budget. it’s got a lot of numbers in it.

sesquipedalian on March 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM

How about a little advice………..

……….. DON’T vote on anything that you have not read, nor anything that Nancy Pelosi will not let Republicans help write.

Seven Percent Solution on March 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Some genius there. How do some of these tools get elected anyway?

FireBlogger on March 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

I think everyone in DC needs to just slow down, take a deep breath, and READ THE STINKIN BILLS THEY ARE VOTING ON.

** This includes the Teleprompter of the US too… oh wait, he’s in a huge hurry to get all the damage done before the 2010 elections when the house goes back the Republicans.

stenwin77 on March 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

DON’T vote on anything that you have not read, nor anything that Nancy Pelosi will not let Republicans help write.

And start thinking now about what you’re going to do to make the Democrats pay, and pay, and pay if they try to force their psychotic program into law via reconciliation.

CK MacLeod on March 26, 2009 at 4:53 PM

The dog ate my homework?

How old are these people?

percysunshine on March 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM

More generally this suggest an operational chaos on the Republican side in the Congress. Suppose I’m leading the Republican delegation (and trust me, this would be a better country.. or at least a better government) and such a huge bill is proposed by the Democrats. I would appoint a group of staff members saying: find everything that’s wrong with the bill.

Doesn’t mean you cannot compromise or even vote for the whole thing, generally speaking. But I would like to know what the hell I am about to put in my CV. When the Democrats ask to end the debate, you can honestly say: hey, I still have my experts reading the thing. Give us more time.

What I’m saying is: it’s not even difficult. It’s not like you need to stand up for conservative principles or something and risk paying a price. How the hell does the process go in the Congress that people end up voting to end the debate on things they haven’t read?

radiofreevillage on March 26, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Wait til 2010!

Oops.

artist on March 26, 2009 at 4:55 PM

“Oops, we did it again!”- Eric Cantor

portlandon on March 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

A day late and a trillion dollars short.

Next time, we who oppose these mindless twits in congress, need to find a better way to get our objections heard by those who pretend to be our representatives.

Where can I get 500-600 good sledgehammers?

fogw on March 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Obama blasts their plan for ‘lack of details’. Has he even looked at his own? What 17 pages vs 140+? At least you can read 17 pages in a reasonable amount of time. Will anyone bother to read Obama’s. Or will they just pass it like last time?

GarandFan on March 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Spineless and unthinking, even in his excuses. Send him packing. He can always get a job that holds responsibilities commensurate with his meager abilities. I hear they need jellyfish at Sea World.

Dusty on March 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

radiofreevillage on March 26, 2009 at 4:55 PM

And not to digress, but the government was so damn demanding about improving the internal control process of publicly-traded companies under Sarbanes-Oxley. This process would fail Sarbanes-Oxley, if this were the private sector. Another fine example of the “do as I say, not as I do” government…

Neo-con Artist on March 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM

No one in Congress is doing better work than Paul Ryan on broad budgeting issues, so to throw him overboard because of this is pretty stupid.

That said, it was a dumb vote and his excuse is even dumber. Why can’t he just say, “Know what? That was a dumb bill and I should have voted no.”?

calabrese on March 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Screwing with the bonuses will cause AIG to tank at an alarming rate.

This is like taking away Alex Rodriguez’s bonus, causing him to leave and replacing him with a 50 year old checker player.

jukin on March 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Some of those folks were in AIG had an annual salary of ONE FIRGGIN DOLLAR. They stayed because these retention bonuses were contracted to them. Not all of these people caused problems some of them worked in departments that were doing fine. Did anyone see this in the NY Times yesterday?

boomer on March 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Ryan blames confusion about the constitutionality of the plan on Democrats for rushing the bill through the House.

Good God man.
Where to begin with this statement…
When in doubt say NO!!!!!

If everyone (dems & reps) who didn’t know what they were voting for voted NO… the marxist wouldn’t be pulling this rot!

If the dems are going to rush this crap through, why in hells name are the reps dancing to their tune?

Why is it that busy, hard working families have a better grasp of what this giant marxist take over is about and those in DC??

katy on March 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM

He and Cantor and 80+/- more GOPers said yes to this confiscatory tax. To be flip-flopping now is meaningless. If these men were guided by principle, not politics, it would have never happened, period. They’ve made their bed, now lay in it. They cannot be trusted to lead based on principle.

PrincipledPilgrim on March 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM

If everyone (dems & reps) who didn’t know what they were voting for voted NO… the marxist wouldn’t be pulling this rot!

If the dems are going to rush this crap through, why in hells name are the reps dancing to their tune?

Why is it that busy, hard working families have a better grasp of what this giant marxist take over is about and those in DC??

katy on March 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM

You are right. If they were being “rushed” I’d prefer to see a no vote than a wrong vote.

And yes, isn’t it curious that the rest of us BUSY, TAX-PAYING, NON-IVY LEAGUE CREDENTIALED people get it before they do. It is shameful.

PrincipledPilgrim on March 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

If the pork is rushed into the voting arena and you didn’t have time to review it and you can’t commit to a principle or have any conviction about it, isn’t that the best time to vote PRESENT? I mean, isn’t that the stuff of what leaders are made of?

ericdijon on March 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

No one in Congress is doing better work than Paul Ryan on broad budgeting issues, so to throw him overboard because of this is pretty stupid.

That said, it was a dumb vote and his excuse is even dumber. Why can’t he just say, “Know what? That was a dumb bill and I should have voted no.”?

calabrese on March 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

The reason to throw him overboard is because we are tired of politicians. We want people that govern from principle. Along the same lines of “out of overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks” can I say “out of the overflow of the heart, the man voted!”

PrincipledPilgrim on March 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Everyone is entitled to one mistake. Ryan just made his. Like Sarah Palin, Jindal and Steele he will recover.

technopeasant on March 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM

You think there might be a copy of the Constitution somewhere in DC for Ryan to read?

He took an oath to uphold it, after all. It sounds like he just looked up from his iPhone and said “am I for this?” then voted “Yea” – and then went back to surfing TMZ.

So much for the bright young future of the GOP. Cantor and Ryan, go to time out.

hawksruleva on March 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Congress needs to set a week aside for training on the Constitution. It’s sad to think that people make it all the way to Congress and don’t know what the Constitution says or means.

The document is only 13 written pages long including the Amendments but they are the 13 most important pages in the Congressional library and every Representative and Senator should know it by rote.

Don’t spend even a single minute trying to determine how the Supreme court or any court has interpreted it, that is fruitless. There are many instances where the courts have not implemented the plain meaning of the Constitution and in everyone of those instances the court is wrong and the Constitution is right. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not any court. Learn the Constitution, its the peoples document to keep the government in check, it does not belong to the courts.

Maxx on March 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Everyone is entitled to one mistake. Ryan just made his. Like Sarah Palin, Jindal and Steele he will recover.

technopeasant on March 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM

It’s just one mistake – but how big a mistake? If Ryan can’t tell that something MIGHT be bad about confiscating money from people who haven’t been charged with or convicted of any crime, then how can we trust him to use good judgement in more complicated situations?

If your doctor can’t diagnose a hangnail, do you trust him when he says he needs to amputate your leg?

hawksruleva on March 26, 2009 at 5:41 PM

If the pork is rushed into the voting arena and you didn’t have time to review it and you can’t commit to a principle or have any conviction about it, isn’t that the best time to vote PRESENT? I mean, isn’t that the stuff of what leaders are made of?

ericdijon on March 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

That could work – better yet, go on TV and say “we haven’t had time to figure out the side effects of this legislation. We don’t want to screw up, so we need more time.”

hawksruleva on March 26, 2009 at 5:43 PM

He’s still one of the GOP’s young stars, but one more wrong vote on a high-profile bill and his vaunted economic cred will be permanently damaged.

Some of these votes and the backlash are forcing the Reps to get it together. This one had a lot less impact as it doesn’t look like it is going anywhere anyway. Specters vote was different because he gave us that crap sandwich. I hope they all get it together soon though.

msmveritas on March 26, 2009 at 5:44 PM

You think there might be a copy of the Constitution somewhere in DC for Ryan to read?

hawksruleva on March 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM

I know Congress has a copy of the Constitution up there somewhere because during the Clinton administration, Clinton tried to bully Congress on some spending bill. And none other than Robert C. Byrd went to the podium with a dusted off copy of the Constitution and ACTUALLY READ PART OF IT ON THE SENATE FLOOR. It was mind boggling, to think Congress actually had a copy of the Constitution.

Maxx on March 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Texas Representative Joe Barton was explaining his yes, tax a private corporation 90 percent vote, too. Claimed telephone calls to his office demanded it. Yep – didn’t believe it either.

Marcus on March 26, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Funny how real conservatives like Michele Bachmann were able to vote NO on this ridiculous bill. It didn’t take a genius to determine this legislation was improper, and un-constitutional.

Dasher on March 26, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Liar Liar Pants on Fire

Knucklehead on March 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM

he shouldn’t have needed a team of lawyers to raise a red flag: Our own commenters were crying “bill of attainder” as soon as news broke that Congress was thinking about it.

I’ve noticed that our congress-critters with their lawyers and teams tend to rate slightly below the average commenter on knowledge of Constitutional issues. Not exactly sure why but it certainly seems a repeating pattern.

gekkobear on March 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I’ll believe Mr. Ryan’s sincerity when he stops being a waffling milquetoast Steele-oid.

Ya f*cked up, Ryan. Plain and simple. We’d accept you for it if you’d only admit it squarely.

I tell you what: the man wasn’t perfect, but damn if I wouldn’t take one Jesse Helms in exchange for every p*ssyfied RINO in Congress these days. When the MSM (think it might have been RN&O?) tried early on in Helms’ career to brand him as “SENATOR NO”, in an editorial cartoon, he laughed, posted the cartoon on his office wall, and continued on.

In his 33 years in the Senate, Helms never had one single scandal of which I am aware. He never backed down on matters of principle, and he clearly differentiated between matters of conscience/principle vs matters of preference.

Perhaps one day McCotter might fill those shoes?

Ryan could, if only he’d be honest and forthright in his apology.

/SIGH

Wanderlust on March 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Paul did you take a walk through your home and get an inspection prior to buying it? If you and your Republican buddies could protect my money and future the way you protect your own.
Really, I’m not so hopeful for the Republicans in 2010; they are not getting it.

EyesOpen on March 26, 2009 at 6:04 PM

voting for something unconstitutional is always a bad thing
justice roberts we need to hear from the court on this do the right thing.

wade underhile on March 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I do not remain a fan, and he will lose my vote when I move to his district.

Hypocrite.

MadisonConservative on March 26, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Voted for TARP and the silly AIG bonus tax?

Who would vote for this guy?

molonlabe28 on March 26, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Texas Representative Joe Barton was explaining his yes, tax a private corporation 90 percent vote, too. Claimed telephone calls to his office demanded it. Yep – didn’t believe it either.

You better believe it. Most politicians are absolutely gutless, if they are’nt already clueless about the issues. Paul Ryan has been a HUGE disappointment on the AIG bonus issue among people who expected better from him. I thought he came from a reliably conservative district or am i wrong ?

I still cannot believe how some one like Coburn gets elected. He is one of those people who is a stickler to the Constitution and hates the big spending ways of Government and pork barrel populism. I am sure that he would not be for this populist outrage about AIG bonuses.

nagee76 on March 26, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Just the reason the base has left the republican party…

build the wall on March 26, 2009 at 6:53 PM

MadisonConservative on March 26, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Dissapointing, yes, but I still remain a fan. For now.

BadgerHawk on March 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM

They couldn’t take the two days to let it simmer. The Democrats are in such a hurry nowadays — almost like they know they have very little time and need to use every last second…

unclesmrgol on March 26, 2009 at 7:39 PM

“The message was sent that should have been sent,” Ryan said.

The message that I got was that contracts are for chumps, and that a majority of House members are immoral bastards who don’t give a damn about the Constitution.

Ryan is an dumb ass.

CantCureStupid on March 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Heartache.

Buy Danish on March 26, 2009 at 7:58 PM

“But, Your Honor, I seriously did not know I couldn’t drive 120 mph down that road….but I’m aware of it now”

“I voted for it, so I could vote against it later..”

BobMbx on March 26, 2009 at 9:27 PM

I had taken my congressman to task for voting for that ridiculous 90% rate on the bonus, especially since he voted against TARP. He wrote me back today and told me his vote was basically an acknowledgment of the outrage on all sides of the issue and that although he believes the bill is done, he would have voted against it out when it came out of conference. Made me feel better, he’s been spot on in his votes.

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2009 at 9:35 PM

I tell you what: the man wasn’t perfect, but damn if I wouldn’t take one Jesse Helms in exchange for every p*ssyfied RINO in Congress these days.

Wanderlust on March 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Man do I miss Jesse Helms, he was a conservative’s conservative.

Maxx on March 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Ryan is another Republican from a long list that enters office with solid conservative credentials, votes that way for a term or two and then starts the slow slide down the RINO path. Sad to see.

bound4er on March 26, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Disappointing as hell. I thought Ryan was worth a damn.

Maybe McCain and his daughter will say hi to him at DC cocktail parties.

BuckeyeSam on March 27, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Serious question: If someone on Capital Hill had the gumption (don’t laugh, I’m trying to be serious here), would bringing a flagrantly unconstitutional bill to the House floor be a censurable offense? Seems violating you oath would…

JSchuler on March 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Congress needs to set a week aside for training on the Constitution. It’s sad to think that people make it all the way to Congress and don’t know what the Constitution says or means.
Maxx

Thanks, Maxx. I agree, and while they are at it, the Conservatives in Congress need a month’s worth of lessons on how to stand up to a liberal press. How they can expose the fallacies in the questions and show the principles behind their views. Like Jindals simple answer of Do you want Obama to fail. I think part of Ryan’s problem is he’s afraid of the heat and the libs questions if he doesn’t vote the way they want. I think it’s more than being gutless. It’s being gutless when you don’t have the skills to fight back.

Christian Conservative on March 27, 2009 at 2:43 AM

Everyone is entitled to one mistake. Ryan just made his. Like Sarah Palin, Jindal and Steele he will recover.

technopeasant

Allowing political expediency to trump righteousness is more than a “mistake”. It shows a lack of both character and common sense. I’m a hardass and those flaws, to me, are irredeemable.

SKYFOX on March 27, 2009 at 5:09 AM

Ryan blames confusion about the constitutionality of the plan on Democrats for rushing the bill through the House.

Maybe he should study up on the Constitution to know what he’s taken an oath to uphold.

Like a kid who blames others for the bad grade he receives when he didn’t study for a test, after swearing to his parents he would…

dominigan on March 27, 2009 at 8:22 AM

Arguably, in fact, the tax is constitutional

Let’s be quite clear – yes, previous laws and judicial arguments have succeeded in establishing a precedent that such laws are constitutional. However, precedent only guides legal arguments, it does not define, by itself, constitutionality.

Many people claim that such things are ‘settled’ or ‘established’ constitutional fact, much like global warmers claim the ‘settled’ nature of the ‘science’ that establishes their crusade as ‘fact’.

Although due deference is shown to precedence, there is nothing to prevent new decisions being reached.

The claims against ‘bill of attainder’ and ‘ex post facto law’ being valid arguments demonstrating the unconstitutional nature of this law are, I would argue, junk….and should be challenged to overturn precedence.

Tax law is law. There is nothing in the constitution about restricting the ex post facto clause to only criminal law. That argument is bogus.

There is no rational basis for arguing that the ‘attainder’ clause only applies to a particular size of group. This law is targeting specific group of people for punitive taxation. It is categorically a bill of attainder.

I would also argue that this bill fails the ‘without enumeration’ clause. This law most definitively enumerates the people it targets.

LimeyGeek on March 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM

How could anyone be dumb enough to not know that bill was unconstitutional? Most of the Dems don’t care but he should have know better.

duff65 on March 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM

As my grandma said, “Class will tell.”

He’s a phony. Just another tassle loafer clown.

I remember when he was run out as a possible leadership candidate in the House he declined because it would cut into his family time. There’s a real public servant. He votes to send better men to die for their country and he can’t be bothered to do his part in the cushiest institution in the USA.

Just another worthless Republican.

rcl on March 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM

“The message was sent that should have been sent,” Ryan said. “These bonuses were completely ridiculous. They rewarded failure.”

And he’s ignorant, too. Even the MSM have been walking back this meme, carefully explaining what AIG’s retention bonuses were, and who they went to. Hint: not to the bozos who really, truly, actually screwed the pooch.

Paul_in_NJ on March 27, 2009 at 5:54 PM