Iraq will cost more to leave than stay
posted at 9:33 am on March 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Remember how people claimed we could save money by retreating from Iraq? Barack Obama calculated that savings into his proposed economic plans during the presidential campaign as did Congressional Democrats during budget battles over the last two years. However, it appears no one actually asked the Pentagon whether a withdrawal would produce short-term savings until now — and the answer is a resounding no:
The removal of about 140,000 U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011 will be a “massive and expensive effort” that is likely to increase rather than lower Iraq-related expenditures during the withdrawal and for several years after its completion, government investigators said in a report released yesterday.
“Although reducing troops would appear to lower costs,” the Government Accountability Office said, withdrawals from previous conflicts have shown that costs more often rise in the near term. The price of equipment repairs and replacements, along with closing or turning over 283 U.S. military installations in Iraq, “will likely be significant,” the GAO reported.
Even the smallest facilities, with 16 to 200 combat troops, will take up to two months to close, the report said. Several dozen large installations — such as Balad Air Base, with 24,000 inhabitants — are likely to take 18 months or more.
Earlier, Obama talked about a 19-month timetable for withdrawal. If he plans to meet that, he’ll have to start working on Balad and other large facilities by next week. Otherwise, it will take longer than 19 months, and the costs associated with withdrawal will grow for years.
That’s not exactly a reason to stay, either, but then again, the cost of the mission is a weak reason to depart, too. The better question would be how to ensure that we succeed in stabilizing and supporting the nascent democracy in Iraq. The Post outlines many problems still facing the Iraqis, from basic human needs (sewage, water, electricity) to political standoffs over oil revenue and disarming militias. The US military can play a role in both, but only if the Iraqis can rely on our presence while we shift out of combat roles to engineering, logistical, and training roles. The Iraqis have to want us to remain for those efforts, and at least for the moment, they do.
A collapse in Iraq will cost America dearly, much more than the phantom savings of withdrawal even when we didn’t know they were illusory. A failed Iraq will encourage Iranian aggression, foment radicalism and terrorism, and could start a war between Kurds and Turks if the former decides to declare complete independence in the absence of a cohesive Iraq. Since it won’t save us money in the short- or mid-term, we may as well stay and finish the job.









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Hahaha!!! I see you’re are back practicing your comedic routine.
I’m SURE Oslime-a will see it that way.
csdeven on March 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM
The man is now between Iraq and a hard place. His executive experience should dictate how he is going to handle this one. There will be no decision for quite some time.
sherry on March 26, 2009 at 9:40 AM
But his intentions were good…right?
Precedent Obambi, boy I’m glad I’m not a black person who’s worked all my life to make things better for my race. You’ve undone decades – maybe even centuries – of good work in about 60 days. If I were black, I’d be so ashamed and angry at you.
AubieJon on March 26, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Bennet’s guest said the same thing about Afghanistan this morning. With a projected $50B budget for it next year, he said, “It would cost $50B just to leave.”
It’s bad enough that morons are running the economy, but even worse that they have the keys to the military. E gads.
Akzed on March 26, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Saw an interesting translated Muslim website story this morning-now that al Qaeda has determined our exact surrender date in Iraq, they are regrouping and waiting patiently for us to leave.
Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Where the heck is Code Stink? How come they’re not charging the stage in protest?
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM
i know some young Marines that are over in Iraq now cleaning/repairing eqmt to bring it home.
kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM
code pink isn’t doing anything because bambi won’t make a decision on this & if he does, he’ll do it in the back closet of the White House so he won’t make his libtard friends mad.
kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:50 AM
It does seem that Obama is counting on not spending much money in Iraq in the future, so I am wondering, are we going to leave our men and women there and slowly defund them?
myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 9:51 AM
What will be the breaking point when Americans finally say, “it’s time to overthrow this bastard?”
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Evidently annoying Bwaney Fwank at House committee hearings. Let Democrats deal with these idiots. And by the way, does the GOP claim with pride any comparable nitwits on the right?
BuckeyeSam on March 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM
I would assume that a few of the large bases will stay in American hands for our residual non-combat forces and operations.
BohicaTwentyTwo on March 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Rove, you magnificent BASTARD!
wccawa on March 26, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Boy the Code Pinkers and San Fran Nan will not be happy to hear this!!!
Dire Straits on March 26, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Looks like that’s the game plan. He has more important things to spend our money on, like college/medical for illegals, and international abortions.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Nah. It’s obama. They’ll let it slide.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:54 AM
This guy is slicker than a greased eek. Now he’s attempting to justify more spending in Iraq and the continued presence of U.S. forces while at the same time transferring the fault to somebody or some thing other than himself. He is an incredible shyster.
rplat on March 26, 2009 at 9:56 AM
I like how everyone calls him black and not white.
Ares on March 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Notice the trend? “We can leave Iraq but it will cost a lot of money and take longer than expected”. “I inherited $1.3 trillion deficit. My plans will triple our deficit, but I’ll cut it in half in 4 years”.
Uh, do the math. The man is a novice.
jbh45 on March 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Asking President Sock Monkey to make a decision on anything is like asking a fart not to stink.
sdd on March 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Not to mention sending the world price of crude back through the roof.
whitetop on March 26, 2009 at 9:57 AM
I don’t think that we will ever leave Iraq fully. I was stationed at Balad and it sure doesn’t look like a temporary base. They were putting up permanent buildings when I left in late 2005. I imagine we will do to Iraq exactly what we did in Germany or Korea, it we just be another overseas duty station.
Mord on March 26, 2009 at 9:59 AM
How do you finish a job like Iraq? How is finished determined? There is no end to instability and sectarian warfare in the muslim world, Iraq especially since it is an artificial construct pieced together after the collapse of the ottoman empire. They only submit to a strong man.
keep the change on March 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Even though Billy Jeff probably objects, Obambi has been touted as being the first black president.
AubieJon on March 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Yes, and all of this is part of obama’s alinsky gameplan. So, according to obama, he’s right on target.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM
I think it’s close. It will be a Civil War and worse than the last one. There are still millions of people (counting on their monthly checks) who adore him.
stenwin77 on March 26, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Overseas Contingency Operations are more expensive than fighting global terrorism?
Rovin on March 26, 2009 at 10:02 AM
stenwin: i wish enough people actually cared about what the govt/bambi/congress is doing. keep protesting to raise awareness.
kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 10:05 AM
hillbillyjim on March 26, 2009 at 10:05 AM
The date is set .
They are coming home.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 10:07 AM
how can “honor” & “obama administration” be used in the same thought?
kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 10:07 AM
What is the date?
Define “they”.
hillbillyjim on March 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM
The word is out .
You’re a dumbass.
AubieJon on March 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM
getalife: do you know something the military doesn’t? i know young marines still being sent to Iraq for long deployments.
kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM
My bad.
hillbillyjim on March 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Iran is a tiny threat. Let’s hope they change their minds about taking over Iraq.
Anybody hearing Rod Sterling’s voice yet?
Laura in Maryland on March 26, 2009 at 10:10 AM
and getalife, i, too, would like the date. i want to stand at norfolk or an airbase & cheer our brave Americans for volunteering to keep our world safer
kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 10:11 AM
we may as well stay and finish the job.
How do you finish a job like Iraq? How is finished determined? There is no end to instability and sectarian warfare in the muslim world, Iraq especially since it is an artificial construct pieced together after the collapse of the ottoman empire. They only submit to a strong man.
keep the change on March 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Classic stupid statement and racist too
Lets suggest that Black People are just designed to be controlled by th man, right
the main point next,
Notice all the violence in iran?
Notice all the violence in syria?
It seems that they are able to keep reasonably peaceable with a far more primitive system ( being nice ).
That leads me to believe that its not inside Iraq that we are fighting ,but whats surrounding Iraq.
Sonosam on March 26, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Say , whats the “profit / earnings” linking up the US troops in Iraq with those in Afghanistan..
the_nile on March 26, 2009 at 10:14 AM
What is the O’s benefit? I smell an mortis operandi….
CynicalOptimist on March 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM
So long as Iraq stays quiet, the status quo works for Obama. The MSM won’t care. Nor will the roiling masses so long as the Obama-care check is in the mail. The war was only a problem when a Republican was in the White House. Now, not so much. Nothing to see here — time to move on.
littleguy on March 26, 2009 at 10:20 AM
He’s a homegrown terrorist, plain and simple. He is successfully destroying America. His benefit is being forever known among his kind as the guy who got it done.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM
There is not a better story watching a soldier surprise their kids at school when they come home.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 10:26 AM
“The date is set.
They are coming home.”
And what will you do when that ‘date’ passes? Besides blaming Bush?
GarandFan on March 26, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Bush made the deal but the President will honor it.
getalife on March 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM
This is what happens when we put CHILDREN in charge of something as important as our COUNTRY!
We will speak NICELY to the enemy. They will like us then.
Why did this country vote out the party of the responsible and reasonable in favor of the party of the irresponsible, inexperienced and unreasonable?
siwrcw03 on March 26, 2009 at 10:28 AM
getalife gets to trade in the tin foil hat for a genuine imitation gold leaf hat.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:30 AM
We will pay any price, bear any burden, to bug out and lose Iraq.
Rhinoboy on March 26, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Some of this is a little over the top.
These things would go on, on a different time line, whether we withdraw too quickly or not. The cost would have to be paid.
burt on March 26, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Because the party that used to be responsible and reasonable became more like the party of the irresponsible, inexperienced and unreasonable.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM
It is sad that those who have sacrificed life and limb overseas to promote freedom, liberty, with democratic values of representation, will come home to a socialist/marxist society that intended to have them pay for their own wounds.
Rovin on March 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I agree. It’s sick. I’m hoping that somehow America can learn from this mistake before it’s too late. Kind of like when an addict has to hit rock bottom before they can recover. America has to learn the hard way that liberalism, socialism, marxism and communism are failed policies. America has to learn that we as citizens have to be willing to fight to survive.
What do you expect in a country where our school children are not taught accurate history? They are taught rewritten history and, even more so, are indoctrinated with social engineering.
I always wonder what surviving WW2 vets think of what’s going on today. In WW2 all Americans, from front line soldiers to children collecting scrap metal door to door, had sacrificed daily and worked hard toward victory. As difficult a time as that was, I would love to have been able to be part of that when the country was unified, and understood what was at stake.
Now we’re repeating history, but we’re doing so with blinders on.
It’s not looking good.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:42 AM
You know at some stage I am fully expecting to see the Obama administration completely abandoning both Iraq and Afghanistan and using the financial crisis as an excuse to cut and run. A strong indicator that this may indeed happen is the story about the Administration renaming the Global war on terror the overseas contingency operation. If it is perceived in the public that there is no longer a war going on it becomes politically easier to wind down combat operations and withdraw troops without being accused of running away and admitting defeat.
Dreadnought223 on March 26, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Facts don’t matter to liberals.
CP on March 26, 2009 at 10:47 AM
And hundreds of thousands of our troops (maybe millions) will be killed in the process.
But, I fully believe obama doesn’t care.
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Yeah because Obama is all about saving money. //eyeroll
Zetterson on March 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Logistics…toujours, logistics…
Full scale retreats are costly. Phased draw downs are a bit less costly. But, the left (and the Obamatrons) insisted that we get out, and get out now…or soon, or rather quickly.
Now, about those bald-faced lies about how ending this Iraq thing was going to provide such a huge savings.
Go back to all the campaign promises, and post-inaugural promises, and all the decisions regarding the budget and bailout and stimulus that were all predicated with this false savings lie…
All one big lie, and it seems most of America bought into it, all of it.
So, where’s the outrage? Is Phil Donahue still around to well up in tears about the “costs?”
coldwarrior on March 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM
LOL! Phil Donahue? Is he even still alive?
ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Of course, I’d like to see a good read-out on the environmental costs associate with the draw-down. All that equipment, all those vehicles, have to be sterilized, and inspected to make sure that they are clean and green before they can be put aboard ships and returned to the States.
And how many ports are going to be involved n all of this? Kuwait, Aqaba, a couple ports in Turkey, Basra…and then there is the cost of providing security for the entire chain, and port security as well, and the end phase will be taken care of by civilians…more expensive wages than using military…and the three hots and a cot for civilians will be more expensive than for military.
Breaking even…that is a primary goal of a good logistician. Coming in on time and below budget is the mark of a great logistician. But logisticians rarely get any credit…just the blame.
coldwarrior on March 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM
The new theme song of the Obama voter. “Yes We Can!” out, in with “Promises Broken”:
Michael in MI on March 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Obamises (Obama’s Promises) are only valid for the day of delivery.
Then they either expire ~or become like silly putty.
His teleprompter says that troops will withdraw from Iraq not in Barry’s promised 18 months, but within 2-3 years.
While a residual force of “support” personnel, numbering 25-30,000, will remain in country for a decade, or more.
(Very quietly… since the Dems pointedly won’t “notice”.)
TOTUS rules!
Obama fools.
profitsbeard on March 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Given the choice between two plans, Uhhhhbama will always pick the costliest one and the one that weakens America. Here he’s getting a twofer
darwin-t on March 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Why in Gods name won’t the Moonbats protest for the military and against the war when libs are in charge. Dammit, are Conservatives going to have to march on Washington in their place now?
Liberal ethics=Situational outrage=JOKE
Oh, BTW. I hear now that obamas in charge, it’s in vogue to volunteer for USO Shows again. Sources tell me they’re lining up now to comfort the troops. Couldn’t do it last year. Nosiree!
hawkdriver on March 26, 2009 at 11:33 AM
My full whiteness is ashamed of his white half. Happy now?
Kafir on March 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM
That makes me sick. If I was in the military and some hypocrite two-bit performer showed up just because Obama is in charge, I wouldn’t attend. I truly detest Hollywood.
sherry on March 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Obama,
Can’t troops just pay for their own flight, ship, or road trip back to the US? You want them to pay for their insurance so you might as well go all the way.
And as for all the equipment just leave it their since your so awesome at diplomacy we’ll never have to fight another war anyway.
amend2 on March 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
If it costs as much to retreat from Iraq as to stay there, the “savings” Obama counted on to fund his socialism need to be added to the CBO estimate of the budget deficit, which might cause some Senators to balk.
That retreat from South Korea is still going on over 50 years later–the names have changed, but the situation stays the same. Is South Korea the model for Iraq?
Steve Z on March 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Fixed it for ya.
Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2009 at 12:29 PM
The Iraqis. They’re coming home to Michigan.
aengus on March 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM
The military was way out ahead of this when Obama bragged during his campaign that he’d have everyone on in 18(?) months. The military (I don’t recall the officer or the branch, probably Army) said bringing back all of the equipment alone would be 18 months, much less the personnel or the ridiculous costs associated with a rapid withdrawal.
No surprises here. Obama is not up for this. I hope the OJT picks up some speed before he runs this thing into a ditch.
the_souse on March 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM
It does seem that Obama is counting on not spending much money in Iraq in the future, so I am wondering, are we going to leave our men and women there and slowly defund them?
myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 9:51 AM
I think it’s close. It will be a Civil War and worse than the last one. There are still millions of people (counting on their monthly checks) who adore him.
stenwin77 on March 26, 2009 at 10:02 AM
That’s how I’d do it – make sure the military is deployed and then slowly sapped of strength – then make my move.
Otis B on March 26, 2009 at 1:03 PM
Since they are dying at the rate of about a thousand every day, it’ll be just a short time before there will be no one to speak from personal experience.
All of our enemies, foreign or domestic, are patient.
platypus on March 26, 2009 at 1:33 PM
It is a matter of logistics. If the materiel and men are in the area to service the equipment in situ that price is stable. If you perchance ‘bug out’ the orders of exit will be at the brigade level irrespective of the logistics. So when materiel gets state side for repair the specialists may not be there for the repairs. So now you are transshipping either materiel or personnel for the repairs till the logistics get rebalanced.
Dr. Dog on March 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM
That was drawing from his vast military experience, of watching M*A*S*H* reruns.
It’s as if Major Frank Burns got a tan and became President.
NoDonkey on March 26, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Abandoning facilities cost more than operating them?
.
Perhaps we should sell the bases as gated communities? ;-)
darktood on March 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM
See that once in a movie did ya?
It’s pretty moving in real life, with real soldiers when it really happens. It also feels good when the sentiment comes from people you know really mean it and not just the useless tools who think it’s okay to like the military now that their guy is in power.
I liked you guys better when you were saying that you hated us and were wishing for us to fail. At least then you were being truthful. Now you feel like youi have to go along with the act your president is putting on.
Let me clue you in. There are no plans being discussed at my level to make me think after we get back from OEF that we won’t still have a deployment to OIF. You’re smoking crack dude, dudette whatever you are if you think you idiot in charge has this thing wired. And if he was so f*cking smart, why didn’t he oofer some advice when he was a Senator? By the way he was talking, he was going to have us home at the end of this year.
Idiots, parrots, disengenuous unpatriotic assclowns.
hawkdriver on March 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Why isn’t the cost of prying airplanes out of skyscrapers part of his equation?
Ronnie on March 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
It is a matter of logistics. If the materiel and men are in
In rolling stock alone, it outnumbers the soldiers there. It they had to bug out quickly, we’d be leaving some Hummers behind.
hawkdriver on March 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Just listened to Gibbs on the hour CBS radio news. Okay all you libs, ADMIT THIS IDIOT DOESN”T HAVE A CLUE.
We’re supposed to kill the Taliban, but only some of them. We’re pulling out, but building up at the same time. The presser was about strategy, but there was no discussion of it? The boldest move he’s made is to change the name from Global War on Terrorism to Contingency Operations?
In the words of Ed Grimley, “We’re as doomed as doomed can be.”
hawkdriver on March 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Precedent Obambi, boy I’m glad I’m not a black person
who’s worked all my life to make things better for my race. You’ve undone decades – maybe even centuries – of good work in about 60 days. If I were black, I’d be so ashamed and angry at you.AubieJon on March 26, 2009 at 9:41 AM
There, fixed it for yah.
maleman on March 26, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I’m really not clear how leaving Iraq can be more expensive than staying longer and then leaving. Sure, if you just look at the short-term projection, leaving is more expensive. It makes perfect logical sense that moving several hundred thousand people and their associated equipment is more expensive than supporting it in place (in the short term). But is it more expensive than leaving it in place and then moving it later? Impossible. In that time more soldiers will be wounded and killed, and much equipment will be discharged, used up, or destroyed. Are people here honestly trying to claim continuing the war is the cheap option?
maleman on March 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Post of the day. We are not leaving.
See this lefty site. Interesting stuff
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/photos-embassy-iraq/
Jamson64 on March 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM
I thought this was an illegal war. What does that make Obama and his boys??
Jamson64 on March 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM