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Hope and Change: Obama presses for broader state-secrets privilege

posted at 8:47 am on March 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The Left cheered as George Bush left office, as they believed him to be scornful of the Constitution and obsessed with secrecy.  Barack Obama promised to bring a new era of openness, one in which the government would no longer hide intelligence programs from court scrutiny.  Secret surveillance would become a thing of the past!

They should have asked Jim Geraghty about expiration dates.  As the Washington Post reported yesterday, not only has Obama reneged on that particular promise, he’s actually arguing for a broader state-secrets privilege than Bush did:

Civil liberties advocates are accusing the Obama administration of forsaking campaign rhetoric and adopting the same expansive arguments that his predecessor used to cloak some of the most sensitive intelligence-gathering programs of the Bush White House.

The first signs have come just weeks into the new administration, in a case filed by an Oregon charity suspected of funding terrorism. President Obama’s Justice Department not only sought to dismiss the lawsuit by arguing that it implicated “state secrets,” but also escalated the standoff — proposing that government lawyers might take classified documents from the court’s custody to keep the charity’s representatives from reviewing them. …

In his campaign plan to “change Washington,” Obama criticized the Bush administration, saying that it had “ignored public disclosure rules” and that it too often invoked the state-secrets privilege, according to his Web site.

Now, Obama’s claim of state secrets has prompted criticism.

How much outrage will we hear from the Left over this?  Not too much, I suspect.  A few like Glenn Greenwald, who has made this a particular focus, will blast Obama for falling back on his promise for openness.  The rest had little real interest in the topic outside of a chance for some serious Bush bashing.

And on the Right?  Those who accepted unquestioningly the state-secrets doctrine of Bush may now want to make hay out of Obama’s expansion of them.  After all, what Obama wants to do here is to essentially lock the judiciary out of the decision loop forever on whether the government has a legitimate right to the claim of state secrets in any case.  That will warp the separation of powers between the executive and judicial branches, and could set a precedent for massive abuses of power.  How many conservatives and center-right people want to trust Obama with those powers now?

When Democrats demanded and got concessions during the FISA reform effort to strengthen the role of the FISA court over the Bush administration’s initial proposal, I supported that change while supporting the reforms that allowed for more efficient ability to track international calls.  So did a few other conservatives on the same grounds of limiting executive reach.  Some criticized that position, but we knew eventually that we would have a President that we didn’t like, which is why the balance of power issue is so important.  That day is now.

I believe that the government needs a state-secrets doctrine that’s broad and enforceable, but I also think that the judiciary has to have some role in determining its limits.  The threat by the Obama administration to withdraw that question from the judiciary is at least troubling — and while I’m glad to see that they’ve quickly accepted the Bush position on state secrets, the effort to cut out the judiciary should worry everyone on both sides of the aisle.


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Just the latest episode in the made for TV series “Maybe Bush Was Right After All”

joepub on March 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM

So, how long before the Reichstag Congress burns to the ground and Republicans Conservatives are blamed???

doriangrey on March 26, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Why not? Other Communist regimes have done the same.

OldEnglish on March 26, 2009 at 8:51 AM

This was the danger created by the the Bush supporters, myself included so I do not escape my own scrutiny. I regret giving Bush a pass on so much of his centralized powergrab, he used it to create some really disturbing Soviet style intelligence networks. Bush created this and now Obama will finish it.

I apologize to all the Ron Paul “kooks” who warned us about this. I apologize to all the AJ “kooks” who warned us about this.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM

The libs HOPE Obama won’t CHANGE his campaign promises any more than the 97 he’s already broken.

jgapinoy on March 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Just the latest episode in the made for TV series “Maybe Bush Was Right After All”

joepub on March 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Actually, it proves that Bush was wrong to exercise so much power, all it took was one Obama style politician to abuse it. Just look at the last MIAC report, there are all type of mainstream conservative groups that are designated terrorists by the federal government.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Communist mentors
Marxist college pals
Unrepentant terrorist colleagues
Indicted Chicago enablers
Multiple anti-American “spiritual mentors”
Twenty-year membership in racially divisive church

How we have known it would go so bad so fast?

maladapted on March 26, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Obama needs Dick Cheney.

Let me see him pull that one off.

Saltysam on March 26, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Chalk Another One Up For Ali O’Bama and His Band Of Nazis…
Might I remind you folks that Hitler also started out as a community organizer..
Behold,, the beginning of What I Warned You Folks About before the Election!
Then Again,,
The Republicans did run John McClinton,,, McClain,, McCain..
Well, we can’t put all the blame on our new Chocolate Jesus, now can we??

Delta Wild Man on March 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:54 AM

That’s some mighty fine rationalization there Lou!!

BigWyo on March 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Every Democrat that is up for re-election in 2010 had better start distancing themselves from this nutter immediately. Every grassroots organizer (myself included) should be recording every vote of every politician in their state. Any politician that votes in step with Obama’s agenda will be beatable in 2010. By then, there will be no icing left on this cup cake.

Keemo on March 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:54 AM

.
Are you saying that Obama could not do what Bush has already done?

News2Use on March 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM

This is today, but tomorrow is another day in the laff riot that is the Obama “administration”.

So who knows what it will bring. The policy will likely change three times before the last comment on this thread is made later tonight.

NoDonkey on March 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM

(sigh / shake head / eyeroll)

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:03 AM

I’m torn. I supported many of the Bush power grabs and supported the limitations imposed because of who might be the next president.

Then again, I have long ago lost trust in the judiciary. I do not trust them to be a balancer any more than I trust congress.

It’s not Bush, or Obama or Pelosi or the 9th Circuit… It is a culmination of all of those things and more that has caused a great distrust in the government. Not to mention a great mistrust of many of my fellow citizens.

This has become a huge mess and while I hope to remain safe and protected by the government, I think it is time for me to stop supporting the various power grabs by all the branches.

myrenovations on March 26, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Now, this is Change we can believe in.

It took almost 40 years for Truman’s Administration to have history redeem it. GWB’s will come much faster, and Barack Obama will be leading the charge.

Techie on March 26, 2009 at 9:04 AM

He needs to start donating “Corruption Credits” (Like Al Gore’s Carbon Credits) to offset his questionable actions….

DL13 on March 26, 2009 at 9:05 AM

He needs to start donating “Corruption Credits” (Like Al Gore’s Carbon Credits) to offset his questionable actions….

LOL! What corruption? obama and his administration don’t have an ounce of corruption! They’re perfect. Submit! Submit! Submit!

/big-time sarc

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:09 AM

If Obama wants to keep what Bush had before him, I am fine with that. It makes Obama look like the idiot he really is, by criticizing Bush, and now doing the exact same thing. I do have a serious problem with him bypassing the judiciary. As bad as they are, its the only balance there is.

MDWNJ on March 26, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Hypocrisy you can believe in.

Dreadnought223 on March 26, 2009 at 9:10 AM

I was comfortable with those powers being with a president who was looking out for America’s interests.

Not so comfortable right now.

amkun on March 26, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Just the latest episode in the made for TV series “Maybe Bush Was Right After All”

joepub on March 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Or, as the original series was called: “Father Knows Best”.

Shy Guy on March 26, 2009 at 9:11 AM

In matters of national security I’m prepared to extend the executive branch wide latitude with the understanding that if those privileges are abused unholy Hell from congress and the courts is to unleashed on the executive. Because of its political aspect terrorism isbetter treated as an act of war rather than a civil crime.

Yet, what Obama is proposing is to unilaterally negate rules of discovery. He should either submit the evidence to a judge for review not restructure centuries of legal precedent.

Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 26, 2009 at 9:13 AM

He should either submit the evidence to a judge for review not restructure centuries of legal precedent.

But according to obama, he can do whatever he wishes. “He won”, remember?

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:15 AM

it is wrong to by-pass the judiciary. the Founders made the judicial branch just for this reason. whether it be Bush or bambi or Palin, we need an independent judiciary.

kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:17 AM

and whoever heard of seizing evidence from the court? sorry, the DOJ doesn’t trump the court, any court.

kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Actually, he probably needs more state secret power with more penalty. Republicans, libertarians, and conservatives keep state secrets out of patriotism and love of country. However, he is now filling the government up with liberals and marxists, and they thrive on revealing state secrets.I think he needs more state secret power to keep from falling back from all his predecessors on security.

Old Country Boy on March 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM

I wonder if the NY Times will go along with O?

BJ* on March 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM

This was the danger created by the the Bush supporters, myself included so I do not escape my own scrutiny. I regret giving Bush a pass on so much of his centralized powergrab, he used it to create some really disturbing Soviet style intelligence networks. Bush created this and now Obama will finish it.

I apologize to all the Ron Paul “kooks” who warned us about this. I apologize to all the AJ “kooks” who warned us about this.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Im not sure you need to vindicate alex jones to make your point. Over the next 4 years we will surely see more of this sort of thing. However, that Obama made this a very serious campaign issue, and has than walked back from that, is pretty despicable. Between that, and this copyright/ip treaty (currently 800 pages of draft documents that get denied in FOIA requests)…and the fumbled entrance to geopolitics…and cap and trade…ive had it.

who’s up for a trip to the UK to study a few MP’s oratory, then coming back and running en masse for local elections?

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Hillary Clinton’s FBI file cabinet just got a whole lot bigger.

Rovin on March 26, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Controlling the means of production, regulating business, redistributing the wealth, strengthening the state secret privileges, seizing corporations, restricting political dissent by controlling the press, establishing a youth brigade, condoning or ignoring fear tactics against individual citizens . . . for some people even a kick in the groin cannot force them to see what is happening in this poor sick Republic. He’s almost there people; you’d better start turning it around before it’s too late.

rplat on March 26, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Hussein is a full blown commie.

Eventually Obama will let the judiciary back into the loop, after he has Bill Ayers and Noam Chomsky on the Supreme Court.

fogw on March 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM

I wonder if the NY Times will go along with O?

BJ* on March 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Just as long as they have an exclusive on all leaks.

OldEnglish on March 26, 2009 at 9:24 AM

HOPE AND CHAINS!! HOPE AND CHAINS!!!

Dire Straits on March 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Hypocrisy Same you can believe in.

Dreadnought223

Maybe our president, the constitutional scholar, has studied and reflected and reached the conclusion that he didn’t know WTF he was talking about during the campaign. You know how important it is for him to get things right.

mchristian on March 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:54 AM

That’s some mighty fine rationalization there Lou!!

BigWyo on March 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

My names not Lou, but thank you anyways.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Comrade in Chief.

bluelightbrigade on March 26, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Dire Straits on March 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

I think you meant ROPE and CHAINS

keep the change on March 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM

I wonder if the NY Times will go along with O?

If he bails their ass out, they will. They’ll be a good little propaganda machine.

HOPE AND CHAINS!! HOPE AND CHAINS!!!

Gasp! That’s RACIST!!!!

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:54 AM

.
Are you saying that Obama could not do what Bush has already done?

News2Use on March 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Obama would have done the same thing as Bush had 911 happened on his watch. Remember, it is important to keep an eye on the people that surround a President as much as it is to keep an eye on the President. Obama has the same kind of people minding the Pentagon and intelligence agencies Bush did. That is to say, powerhungry people.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM

I trusted Bush a hell of a lot more than Obama when it came to our security. I guess in this case what was good for the goose is bad for the gander.

File this one under “Never give an idiot a loaded gun”.

Guardian on March 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM

See, the problem is that I don’t trust Obama with the Pardon or Veto power, but I don’t think that makes them unconstitutional.

Techie on March 26, 2009 at 9:35 AM

HOPE AND CHAINS!! HOPE AND CHAINS!!!
Gasp! That’s RACIST!!!!

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM

ROPE AND CHAINS!! ROPE AND CHAINS!!

thomasaur on March 26, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Obama would have done the same thing as Bush had 911 happened on his watch. Remember, it is important to keep an eye on the people that surround a President as much as it is to keep an eye on the President. Obama has the same kind of people minding the Pentagon and intelligence agencies Bush did. That is to say, powerhungry people.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Let’s be clear on this issue . . . Obama’s power grabs go far beyond any actual or contrived need to protect national security. His efforts to consolidate and enhance his powers make Bush look like a novice or an anarchist . . . and his motivation does not emanate form the Pentagon or the intelligence community.

rplat on March 26, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Obama would have done the same thing as Bush had 911 happened on his watch. Remember, it is important to keep an eye on the people that surround a President as much as it is to keep an eye on the President. Obama has the same kind of people minding the Pentagon and intelligence agencies Bush did. That is to say, powerhungry people.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Let me try this again.

Let’s be clear on this issue . . . Obama’s power grabs go far beyond any actual or contrived need to protect national security. His efforts to consolidate and enhance his powers make Bush look like a novice or an anarchist . . . and his motivation does not emanate form the Pentagon or the intelligence community

rplat on March 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

well, Congress & the Judiciary are just sitting on their asses; or worse, they are helping bambi with his marxist programs.

kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

ROPE AND CHAINS!! ROPE AND CHAINS!!

Ok… that’s acceptable.

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Im not sure you need to vindicate alex jones to make your point. Over the next 4 years we will surely see more of this sort of thing. However, that Obama made this a very serious campaign issue, and has than walked back from that, is pretty despicable. Between that, and this copyright/ip treaty (currently 800 pages of draft documents that get denied in FOIA requests)…and the fumbled entrance to geopolitics…and cap and trade…ive had it.

who’s up for a trip to the UK to study a few MP’s oratory, then coming back and running en masse for local elections?

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM

No, as crazy as AJ comes off sometimes (I’m not a truther btw) he called alot of what is going on. He called the financial crisis, the war in Iraq, a push for world currency, and alot of other things that have come to pass. I’m only recently a fan of AJ having listened to Limbaugh and Hannity for years, I simply wanted another perspective to give me a broader picture. I’ve grown to admire his courage and willingness to take the arrows for pointing out things that some consider loony, yet they do nothing to verify whether the info is true or not.

I knew Obama wouldn’t change anything regarding this simply because he needs it to centralize even more power, then when I saw him bring in nothing but long time Washintonians, I knew we were in trouble. He needs this power to be able to put us on the terrorist watch list, and when he does he has legal power to arrest whoever he wants and keep him incarcerated as long as he wants.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM

the effort to cut out the judiciary should worry everyone on both sides of the aisle.

It worries me. Every “crime” the Left accused Bush of doing is projection. We’re really seeing that now. They screamed and howled for 8 years, but now that their guy is doing it worse, they’re A-OK with it.

I’m convinced that the Left actually wants to live in the squallar of a third-world dictatorship hellhole and wants to make America that hellhole so long as the dictator is a Leftist.

crazy_legs on March 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM

trueking: who knows what bambi would do given another 9/11? i cannot even begin to speculate on that question. we do know, however, that he won’t call it the “war on Terror” (or in Bush cadence “war on Tara”). he won’t call it what it is.

kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Maybe Bush Was Right After All”

joepub on March 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZFYWfPoDXo&NR=1

thomasaur on March 26, 2009 at 9:40 AM

and trueking: i do agree with you on one thing: it won’t be long before all the “joe the plumbers” of this country are on the “terrorist watch list” if bambi gets his way. that’s the communist way.

kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:41 AM

He needs this power to be able to put us on the terrorist watch list, and when he does he has legal power to arrest whoever he wants and keep him incarcerated as long as he wants.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Well then lets hope your assessment stays in the sensational realm with all the bushitler talk that it resembles. the alternative would truly be the end.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 9:42 AM

all of us will go on the Terrorist Watch List in the first wave. At least we’ll have each other.

kelley in virginia on March 26, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Let me try this again.

Let’s be clear on this issue . . . Obama’s power grabs go far beyond any actual or contrived need to protect national security. His efforts to consolidate and enhance his powers make Bush look like a novice or an anarchist . . . and his motivation does not emanate form the Pentagon or the intelligence community

rplat on March 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I don’t disagree sir, I concur for the most part. But there are always people that whisper in the Presidents ear and they do have influence.

I won’t excuse Bush though, what he did was disgraceful. After studying the Bush family I’ve come to realize they aren’t quite the people I thought they were.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM

ROPE AND CHAINS!! ROPE AND CHAINS!!
Ok… that’s acceptable.

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I agree also. Thanks Thomasaur. Looks like we have a new motto.

Dire Straits on March 26, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Well then lets hope your assessment stays in the sensational realm with all the bushitler talk that it resembles. the alternative would truly be the end.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Ah yes, the old Hitler line. You must think that I’m a liberal. You are wrong. I’m simply try to understand what’s going on without any partisan bias, a bias I had for a very long time. Things become much clearer when you decide to look at things without the corrupting effect of political partisanship.

History is the key.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:46 AM

All you nervous nellies need to relax.

President Ogabe is a historic office holder.

You have been told that over and over by your betters.

Quit being small-minded and enjoy the bright new era!

maladapted on March 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I wonder if the NY Times will go along with O?

BJ* on March 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Why wonder???

Both the House and Senate plans would reduce the projected deficit of $1.7 trillion for the current fiscal year by at least half by 2013.

Notice there are no quotes in THIS statement. According to the NYT’s—this is an undisputed fact, just like global warming. You can expect funding to the NYT’s to be considered a state secret.

Rovin on March 26, 2009 at 9:50 AM

It took almost 40 years for Truman’s Administration to have history redeem it. GWB’s will come much faster, and Barack Obama will be leading the charge.

Techie on March 26, 2009 at 9:04 AM

I doubt it-Bush’s true legacy won’t be determined until a generation of historians not yet born comes along. The “historians” of today are all BDS-addled Leftist academics. Until his death a couple of years ago, their “Dean” was former JFK rumpswab Arthur Schlesinger, who compared Chimpy’s liberation of Iraq to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2009 at 9:51 AM

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:46 AM

oh you misunderstand me…i only mention the bushitler line as a comparable sensational assessment. throughout his 2 terms there were those who always assumed the most sinister motives. your statement of obama’s intent, i feel, is similar to those old assessments. they are sensationalistic, or at least i hope for all our sakes that they are. if you’re right…we’re all finished.

ernesto on March 26, 2009 at 9:51 AM

I won’t excuse Bush though, what he did was disgraceful. After studying the Bush family I’ve come to realize they aren’t quite the people I thought they were.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM

What sources did you use to “study” the Bush family? Just curious.

Del Dolemonte on March 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM

This, combined with the Messiah’s Mistake’s 180 on signing statements amount to a jarring power grab by the boy king child president. (Both actions are totally contrary to his campaign lies promises rhetoric.)

Couple this with the far-reaching government expansions and take-overs of entire chunks of our economy, and the scenario is not pretty. No tinfoil hats are necessary to see these moves as threatening, and antithetical to American values and freedom itself.

hillbillyjim on March 26, 2009 at 9:56 AM

I doubt it-Bush’s true legacy won’t be determined until a generation of historians not yet born comes along.

I disagree. At the rate Team Chicago Jesus is F***ing up things people would welcome Bush back with open arms!!!

Dire Straits on March 26, 2009 at 9:59 AM

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM

It was Hillary they warned us about post-Bush, and I started to admit they had a good point after reading Lee Penn’s well-researched articles on the push for Coercive Utopianism.

This was written 5 yrs ago before Obama’s Rise to Power and his current Great Leap Forward.

Tyrants have always been able to gain obedience, even without high technology; Nero, the Khmer Rouge, and the genocidal soldiers in Rwanda and Sudan have not needed micro-chips and databases to work their will. Nevertheless, emerging technology will simplify the task for those who wish to control us. …

Where is all this headed, in the absence of Divine intervention? Toward the deployment of total power in what once was the “Free World,” exercised by an alliance of government and corporations, for the control of the population. It will be ­ at least at first, in North America and in Western Europe ­ a soft dictatorship, enforced more by social pressure and economic control than by terror. The coming regime will more closely resemble Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451 than 1984.

…Biblical precedents illustrate why, and how, we are losing our freedom. In part, the blame rests with a fearful and covetous population. In large measure, over the last 100 years, Americans have traded freedom for security and for government benefits: a “pottage of lentils.” This choice, made repeatedly since 1912, has yielded the predictable results: a government far more powerful and intrusive than the British regime that we expelled in the Revolution. To some extent, the people have forged their own fetters. The same has occurred throughout the West.

Lee Penn’s second main topic of research is the United Religions Initiative which Obama will embrace next for global unity after he’s done consolidating power domestically.

econavenger on March 26, 2009 at 10:07 AM

They never give up power.

Thanks dick.

getalife on March 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Yet another thing the people will never hear, yee-haw!

Grafted on March 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Somehow it is Bush’s fault.

tomas on March 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM

And on the Right? Those who accepted unquestioningly the state-secrets doctrine of Bush may now want to make hay out of Obama’s expansion of them

Better for the right to support Obama for secrecy. Give him a lot of praise. Then the left will have knee jerk reaction and get all over Obama. Reverse psychology or something.

Herb on March 26, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Just more “nuance”.
Bush + secrecy = BAD.
Obama + secrecy = Good.

GarandFan on March 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM

The king of double standards. Day by day people are finding what O is really all about, and and it’s quite troubling.

scalleywag on March 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Anyone want to bet against my feeling that Obama’s surveillance will be domestic instead of foreign?

Beagle on March 26, 2009 at 10:54 AM

This was the danger created by the the Bush supporters, myself included so I do not escape my own scrutiny. I regret giving Bush a pass on so much of his centralized powergrab, he used it to create some really disturbing Soviet style intelligence networks. Bush created this and now Obama will finish it.

I apologize to all the Ron Paul “kooks” who warned us about this. I apologize to all the AJ “kooks” who warned us about this.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM

I think you mistake “power grab” with the restoration of executive powers that had been slowly stripped away by democRAT congresses over the past 40 years. Witness the FISA Act, arguably unconstitutional, which stripped traditional executive powers from the President and handed it to the FISA court. Jimmy Carter, the traitor, willingly signed the legislation, abrogating his authority. His record since then has been exposed as that of the worst president in the history of our nation. He is also responsible for this financial crisis and the rise of Iran to be a global threat and terrorist nation.

Jarhead68 on March 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM

This was the danger created by the the Bush supporters, myself included so I do not escape my own scrutiny. I regret giving Bush a pass on so much of his centralized powergrab, he used it to create some really disturbing Soviet style intelligence networks. Bush created this and now Obama will finish it.

I apologize to all the Ron Paul “kooks” who warned us about this. I apologize to all the AJ “kooks” who warned us about this.

True_King on March 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Same here True_King, I voted for Bush as well. And I laughed at Ron Paul’s supporters too. Ron Paul is not all that crazy as I had thought. But then I have to realize that Carter, Clinton didn’t help us also. Not to mention the Democrats that were in Congress. Now Congress is really getting out of hand. Not only is TOTUS showing his true colors, his cabinet and Congress and the House are doing the same. For years thanks to Carter and the fact that he got by with what he did, then Clinton. I believe we most Citizens are finally realizing we had enough. Can’t blame the voters for wanting our Country to be better. I knew TOTUS wasn’t that man. But McCain would have been more than likely the same. More I think about McCain and his bimbo daughter I realize that I don’t think we would have been better off. I sure admire your posts.

sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM

How much outrage will we hear from the Left over this?

Olberdork was gonna say something, but then he noticed a Republican was still alive.

Speedwagon82 on March 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Obamises (Obama’s Promises) are only valid on the day of delivery.

They are operational not literal.

All Dems knew this.

Only delusional dolts like P. Noonan, C. Buckley, ad nauseam, believed otherwise.

Members of the Lapsus alumni*.

(*Error made.)

profitsbeard on March 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM

For the part of the left in the US that most people see every day: National Daily papers, major network and cable newscasts and assorted faux-news-talk fests like Jon Stewart of Bill Maher, this issue was never about state secrets, but the left’s seething hatred for the evil Bushitlerbot. If Bush pulled a dozen nuns and orphans from a burning school bus, the press and media would scream at him for the environmental hate crime of allowing the lead paint on the bus to burn so Halliburton’s stock could go up one point.

And as Gov Palin pointed out recently, that’s the hand the GOP have been dealt, and they best learn to handle it and work around it.

If youre waiting for critical mention of this in any of the major daily/weekly media outlets in this country, get ready for a long sit. If anything I suspect substantial nodding heads-approval from the MSM/Maher/Olby crowd. They KNOW that Obama is the smartest dude ever to occupy the WH, and if he needs extra powers in secret to undo all the OilWarCrimes of the Bush Regime, then thats cool with them.

Mike D. on March 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Gasp! That’s RACIST!!!!

ErinF on March 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Would it be racist to suggest that, as a Kenyan from a connected family, his closest tie to American slavery is on the sales end?

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on March 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM

You forgot to add that Obama is, yet again, a hypocrite who would (and did) say whatever it took to get into office.

GardenGnome on March 26, 2009 at 1:16 PM

True_King and sheebe:

I don’t blame Bush for any of this and I still think Ron Paul is a crazy person.

and I am not going to read some crazy s*it about Bush, I have had enough of that from the likes of Oliver Stone for a lifetime.

Sometimes I wonder what some people think this country used to be like. I mean they talk about Bush and these powers as if all this was some unprecedented power grab and harken back to a day when the state was our friend and never overstepped its bounds.

Please, the Miranda rights were not even read to people upon arrest until relatively recent history. FDR had every long distance phone call into and out of the country monitored during WW2 without even a hint of a warrant. Woodrow Wilson got downright draconian during WW1. It was Clinton that started the Echelon program that lead to some people talking about Big Brother on the internet. It was not until the Civil Rights Act was passed that black people could vote in some places in this country. Do you think having the government on your back is any easier to bear when that government is state rather than federal?

No, Obama just did not take the threats seriously until he became president.

Terrye on March 26, 2009 at 1:18 PM

And sheebe, I think we would have been a lot better of with McCain than Obama and I can not believe anyone who is seriously concerned about the deficits and the larger government proposed by Obama could say otherwise. As for McCain’s daughter, she is a grown woman and he is not responsible for the things she does or says.

Ron Reagan Jr. is not exactly a conservative either.

Terrye on March 26, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Fully agree, Ed. I remember thinking the same thing when conservatives were arguing with Bush on the FISA debacle. Thought I don’t think Bush was doing any “domestic spying,” I remember having the discussion with people saying, “Wait until Hillary wins the Presidency and see how you feel about this.” Unfortunately, it’s worse. Now we have Obambi.

PersonalLiberty on March 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM

No, Obama just did not take the threats seriously until he became president.

Terrye on March 26, 2009 at 1:18 PM

As I see this, it is the preponderance of evidence that Dabama is constantly abusing his powers as POTUS that is of great concern.

Today we have the democrats creating representstives out of thin air [Washington D.C.], democrats spending money that has yet to be created, or borrowed, and most of it will never be accounted for, and now we have Dabama getting prepared to start spying on Americans with no oversite whatsoever. What happened to the Constitution? Democrats could care less!

Those trying to blame this on Bush are comparing apples and oranges. Under Bush there was oversite. With Dabama it will become another power for the democrat dictator. Shades of Chaves!

Viva Dabama!

DannoJyd on March 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I was never comfortable with the Department of Homeland Security in the first place. I would prefer to live with the risk, rather than give the government more power. There will not be a repete use of a hijacked passenger airliner as a missile, because the passengers won’t allow it.
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I do support the war on terror.

darktood on March 26, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Danno:

I probably was not clear in what I said. I think that Obama thought the terrorist threat was just bogus until he got in the oval office and started to get briefings.

Terrye on March 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

darktood:

I am not sure the Department of Homeland Security really gives the government more power. I think it was mostly a reorganization of already existing agencies.

Terrye on March 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I’m fine with the state secrecy issue, but that doesn’t mean I won’t point out Obama’s hypocrisy, broken promise, or more likely just the waking up to reality of the Presidency. Kerry, Clinton, Mondale, Dukakis, Carter — all did the same thing in their campaigns. Preferring to make unrealistic promises that harmed America for the sake of the election whether they really considered if it was realistic to uphold those promises or not.

LifeTrek on March 26, 2009 at 5:46 PM

” I regret giving Bush a pass on so much of his centralized powergrab, he used it to create some really disturbing Soviet style intelligence networks. Bush created this and now Obama will finish it.”

Elaborate on the Bush comment.

davod on March 27, 2009 at 6:44 AM

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