Glenn Beck to Michelle: Are you worried about Obama’s mandatory volunteerism plan?
posted at 6:55 pm on March 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
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If ever there was a segment with potential for GB to veer off into Alex Jones territory, this was it, but it ended up both (relatively) subdued and informative thanks to a sterling turn by the boss. Read her column yesterday on this if you haven’t yet. The real worry here isn’t mandatory volunteerism (oxymoron duly noted), as that provision’s been stripped out of the bill — for now — but an ever-bloating federal bureaucracy and the politicization of civic groups to partisan ends. Consider this the ultimate “What if Bush did it?” hypothetical. Exit question for lawyers and law professors: Is compulsory national service constitutional, at least during peacetime? No privacy implications in being conscripted to serve the state absent a national emergency?
Update: You’ll be cheered to know that the Senate version of the GIVE Act passed this afternoon, 79-19. Here’s the roll. Among those voting yes was our former Republican nominee.
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McCain signed it so that he could supervise these groups to make sure no torture takes place.
Maybe we could get those Gitmo guys to serve.
EMD on March 26, 2009 at 8:09 PM
The audacity of hope was for his campaign
Controlling and indoctrinating the youth will be for his reign
His candidacy was rather like that of a Henry Houdini
His presidency is shaping up to be much more like that of a Benito Mussolini
MB4 on March 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Chambliss and Isackson voted yea. Unreal.
Buy Danish on March 26, 2009 at 8:11 PM
HaHaHa! Great handle!
Feedie on March 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Lost the link — the video isn’t available any longer.
Christian Conservative on March 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Lister from Red Dwarf (the book version) said that it’s not slavery itself but rather people’s willingness to become slaves that sickens him.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Will the shirts be brown and black?
Bigfoot on Mar 26,2009 at 8:05PM.
Bigfoot: Same colour,as the Pepsi logo!!hehe.
canopfor on March 26, 2009 at 8:15 PM
wow Juan voted for it…what surprise!!! yeah right…
why vote for republicans again???
right4life on March 26, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Nahnahnahnana…My senators voted against it. My senators are better than your senators.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 8:16 PM
While beck was rolling some video from Tea Parties today, I noticed a sign that said “Don’t Tax Me Bro”
RightWinged on March 26, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Hey look at the bright side…getalife abd athensboy will finally get out of mom’s basement.
Maybe this is just wishful thinking…
ChicagoBlues on March 26, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Allah creatively combines his Glenn Beck envy with maximum sucking up to his employer.
Michelle did a good job. Glenn did a good job. But Allah only finds good in what Michelle says.
Allah, you need to get a real job…have you considered working TCO? ….your talents might be more appreciated there.
notagool on March 26, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Did you watch the video? No he called her out on supporting internment camps for Americans… Some goon called for her murder…
Constitution1st on March 26, 2009 at 8:21 PM
I say any Senator that voted for this is excluded from, well, everything: no cash, no nomination, no anything.
How this got out and voted on with no one covering it. I mean liberals of all people should have been freaking out.
It’s like that city is possessed. (not exaggerating)
- The Cat
MirCat on March 26, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Apparently you didn’t watch the whole thing.
MirCat on March 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM
I still can’t get past the hypocrisy in placing both “mandatory” and “voluntary” in the same context. If people are prepared to roll over for this, they deserve whatever may follow.
OldEnglish on March 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM
He won’t be POTUS long enough to indoctrinate toooo many kids. Either way, mine aren’t going anywhere.
I’m going to do my OWN training right here at home. I’m going to explain to my kids that there are people who will try to bend their minds to their way of thinking.
Oink on March 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM
I am very disappointed in their decision. What in the hell are these people thinking?
mindhacker on March 26, 2009 at 8:26 PM
They admitted in some clip that they never read the bills, so is it that hard to believe that they just went by the title? It said “The GIVE act” so it had to be something nice right? We all know how politicians love to give money and freedoms away, as long as they aren’t theirs.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Not read all comments but two things: (think Biden thoughts)
1-Having a son, cannot describe in proper words as a lady how I feel.
2-I EXPECT that my daughter does not have to go through this.
3-I have some serious buyer’s remorse for that thing called maverick.
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM
What “able young people” are they speaking of? Kids today cannot do much except text one another on their celly’s. It takes an incredible amount of effort and supervision just to get a group of them to pick up trash at a park. I cannot see the benefit of inefficient make-work.
The city where I live boasts 50% graduation rates. I think putting more expectations on students will drive graduation rates lower.
kooly on March 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM
What are the odds that the offending part that was stripped out will be put back in during senate/house reconciliation meeting. Seems to happen a lot.
chemman on March 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Bad video link. YouTube has yanked the vid.
bopone on March 26, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Juan McLame Strikes Back!
It is a dark time for the Conservatives. Although the Maverick has been defeated, radical socialists have driven the Conservative forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the ideological galaxy. Evading the dreaded Left-wing press corps, a group of freedom fighters led by Sarah Palin has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Alaska. The evil lord Darth Barry, obsessed with passing radical, economically crippling legiglation, has dispatched thousands of mindless volunteers into the far reaches of America…
omnipotent on March 26, 2009 at 8:41 PM
If you can’t see the video, reload this page. That should clear it up, usually.
Blacksmith on March 26, 2009 at 8:44 PM
True yesterday, today and tomorrow. Eternal vigilance is a keystone for freedom.
Oldnuke on March 26, 2009 at 8:44 PM
I am through with McCain….. Thinking I’m going to file papers to run against him in the Rep. primary in 2010.
azcop on March 26, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I don’t see any indication that your expectation will prove accurate.
DFCtomm on March 26, 2009 at 8:49 PM
After all this hopey and changey ACORN money, how rich are these people going to be?……6 billion here, 400 million there, etc. etc…..think of the scams over all of this money being fought over among the troops………
nondhimmie on March 26, 2009 at 8:49 PM
My good Senator Hutchison voted yea on it. She wants to be Governor here so bad. Sheesh. At least we still have Cornyn doing right.
bikermailman on March 26, 2009 at 8:49 PM
‘Nuff said.
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Specter thinks it’s a swell idea and gives it a thumbs up. (Buy a clue, Specter.)
onlineanalyst on March 26, 2009 at 8:52 PM
AZcop took the words right out of my mouth. I will be at the Tucson Tea-Party. My daughter is a computer geek for Border Patrol she’s going to Tucson for this so best-half and I will go with her.
chemman on March 26, 2009 at 8:54 PM
“I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside.”
-ADOLF HITLER
Proud Rino on March 26, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Can we get that DeMint piece, AP?
liquidflorian on March 26, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Alex Jones,getting up in Michelle’s face,was on CoastoCoast
a while back,and he portrayed himself as the victim——–
he’s an idiot!
Took the words right outta my mouth! Didn’t know about the MM issue though. Sorry for that situation, Michelle. Totally undeserved.
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Didn’t the Nazi Youth Brownshirts start off in this way?
hadsil on March 26, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
OldEnglish on March 26, 2009 at 9:05 PM
So child labor laws are out if they work for government. Physical education is the same as community servitude?
Feedie on March 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Are they/we gonna be paid weekly or biweekly and if so, what’s the wage? MANDATORY, as a job, is COMPENSATORY. Isn’t it? Hey if they are gonna do something like this, better be that any funds for this stupidity be saved for their further college education, riiiiiiiiiight?
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” — Santayana
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences – Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power – Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals – Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth – Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light – Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations – Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force – Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control – Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents – Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State – Check
* People adopting his name as their own – Check
* Inspires adoration art – Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check
* Never plans on giving up power – Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac – Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments – Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service – Check
* Acts as if in power before he is – Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine – Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media – Check
* Has his own salute – Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimidating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics – Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children – Check
TheBigOldDog on March 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM
I will be at the Tucson Tea Party as well. Glas to hear others will be attending!
azcop on March 26, 2009 at 9:13 PM
The Thirteenth Amendment provides: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
What is “mandatory community service” if not “involuntary servitude”?
mondonico on March 26, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Per page 98 of the PDF for HR 1388:
(a) PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES. — A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:
…
(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.
Downright scary.
Mark_Tampa on March 26, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Michelle Obama had a head start in this direction as she supervised those kids putting in her garden of “lettuces and mints” at the White House plantaation.
onlineanalyst on March 26, 2009 at 9:15 PM
This is just to sick. This is Slavery. And now they will poison our kids. Or your kids since mine isn’t a kid anymore. I hope parents don’t let their kids do this. I know that getalife and a few other trolls will be dancing to let their kids join. Is not right and we have to raise hell. McCain if you send me one more letter asking for money because you are complaining about the DemocRATS, I will Scream! I will write him in a few minutes and give him a piece of my mind. BTW, in Ca. they want to make black cars illegal……yep Illegal. Because of Global Warming the color black gets the car hot. So that means that the driver has to turn on the Air Conditioning. No joke. We are in for some real fights.
sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Right now, the focus should be on just that, the ever growing government with the help of Republicans. But the provision was there originally and it was Alex Jones who brought it to our attention, so all Kudos to him because it probably helped get it stripped out. I’m sure Allah meant to credit him.
It’s funny, Alex Jones continues to be correct and all conservatives do is ridicule him. Dude’s been spot on, I have officially become a big fan. I hadn’t even heard about him until a couple of months ago and at first I thought the dude was insane as well, but for the most part, if you can cut through some of the rhettoric, he is mostly accurate and definitely a patriot.
True_King on March 26, 2009 at 9:20 PM
But the religion of Socialism has a special dispensation.
OldEnglish on March 26, 2009 at 9:20 PM
From JPII:
“No matter how many and great the obstacles put in his way by human frailty and sin, the Spirit, who renews the face of the earth, makes possible the miracle of the perfect accomplishment of the good. This renewal, which gives the ability to do what is good, noble, beautiful, pleasing to God and in conformity with his will, is in some way the flowering of the gift of mercy, which offers liberation from the slavery of evil and gives the strength to sin no more”.
-Veritatis Splendor, August 6, 1993
From the book “BE NOT AFRAID”
Pope John Paul II’s Words
Of Faith, Hope, and Love
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 9:24 PM
WTF??
So it goes back to the house now? I thought the house passed it and it went to the senate. Senate passes it and it goes back to the house?
Well s**t, let’s just do this with everything. Just keep tossing it back and forth.
My head hurts.
jewells45 on March 26, 2009 at 9:24 PM
I.have.no.idea.
If Republicans are going to rescue this country from the jaws of tyranny we must clearly distinguish ourselves from the Dems. There must be a line in the sand. Rule #1: Don’t squander $6 billion dollars of our money on programs which are not essential. And that’s the nicest thing I can say about this legislation.
To put that number in perspective, the Department of Education has a budget of $68 billion a year. This is nearly 10% of that number.
Buy Danish on March 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Very, very clever. Take all those unguided youth, (those they have caused to be unguided) give them money to do something in the name of something and teach them to be good socialists. And, HEY, how many unguided youths are there out there????. They’re gonna love the uniforms, the mission, the comradorie, and the “ONE”. Folks, we are in deep sh** . How do we fight this????
PaCadle on March 26, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Here’s a link,and pictures as well,
in Michelle Malkin vrs. Idiot Alex Jones!
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2008/08/malkin-mobbed/
canopfor on March 26, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Is it the fact that Glenn so often quotes the founders intentions that you find so offensive? Honestly, there is a lot of predjudice against Glenn Beck. He is funny and he makes sense. So what’s your problem.
petunia on March 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
OH I forgot. I figured out how to get it to play. When the little pictures move accross the bottom click the pictue of Glenn and Michelle on the left. The right doesn’t work but on the left it works, you might have to try more than once.
petunia on March 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Yah…. I have that album. I think it’s called WE ARE THE WORLD…. Didn’t Michael Jackson sing that line or maybe your right, it was Adolf who had that solo…
katy on March 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Crap,I dug the link up for you ProudPalinFan,
meant to respond to you,forgot to do your name,
date and time,oops!:)
canopfor on March 26, 2009 at 9:47 PM
No this is sick….and scarey
And they wander right among us.
Knucklehead on March 26, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Therefore, less time with Mom and Dad, or single parents and the rest of the family. This person has serious childhood issues and should undergo therapy, and go to a neurologist for an epileptic electric 6-month treatment. Brain needs to be fried see if he comes to common sense.
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Obama is going to lose a lot of his supporters over this especially among the youth. They don’t like to work for money let alone for free. They can volunteer all they want now, as Demint pointed, out if they want to and those that do are generally religious conservatives.
I will making sure my niece doesn’t fall for any of this nonsense by explaining she can do more through the Church than she can through the government.
That said I don’t really have a problem with Americorp as they do good work, my main problem comes with the money getting spent in the bureaucracy and not in any worthwhile projects.
From what I understand they won’t be able to engage in political or religious work so what will they be doing? I would guess picking up trash, rebuilding trails in parks, staffing food banks and such, not easy or glamorous work so the youth won’t like it. This will be just another crash and burn program that will persist for years with all the money going to those that run it but don’t do anything with it.
goat on March 26, 2009 at 10:06 PM
God help us all Knucklehead….I am very scared have never felt this before.
sheebe on March 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Juan McLame Strikes Back!
It is a dark time for the Conservatives. Although the Maverick has been defeated, radical socialists have driven the Conservative forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the ideological galaxy. Evading the dreaded Left-wing press corps, a group of freedom fighters led by Sarah Palin has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Alaska. The evil lord Darth Barry, obsessed with passing radical, economically crippling legiglation, has dispatched thousands of mindless volunteers into the far reaches of America…
omnipotent on March 26, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Read somewhere (dunno if it is true) that the NK missile can reach up to ALASKA.
Any confirmation please? /tin foil hat beside me
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM
The slackers will turn against Obama if he makes them work.
Disturb the Universe on March 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM
+ 1 brilliant
Hawkins1701 on March 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I personally prefer a cool stormtrooper outfit-stormtroopers of the Imperial Army, of course, not the Nazis.
Badger40 on March 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM
If they issue those Kaiser-style helmets from WWI, the ones with the spike on the top, count me in; I would look pretty cool riding my moto while wearing such a thing.
Bishop on March 26, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Only 14 members of the GOP voted against this? What the hell is wrong with the STUPID PARTY?
I am so glad I changed my voter registration to “no party affiliation”. To hell with the GOP.
By the way, another excellent appearance by our Michelle. Serious, detailed, passionate. Well done (as always).
Zorro on March 26, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Alaska!
ProudPalinFan on Mar 26,2009 at 10:12PM.
ProudPalinFan: Here ya go!:)
http://www.spacewar.com/2006/090326171336.ql7jhddg.html
canopfor on March 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Thanks for the heads up on the link…will read for a bit then go to bed, my boss here said so. My DH flatly says he DOES NOT WANT TO BELIEVE in things like this…told him today at dinner about another issue–to wait, and then give me a HUGE apology.
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Here you go folks, here is the list of the true conservatives in the Senate, these are the Nay voter for this stupid bill. Every vote against this wasteful dangerous boondoggle was cast by a Republican. Here are the few truly good guys, remember their names.
Maxx on March 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM
My Gosh! That was uncalled for what he did to petite MM! Man, what a bad day! I am relieved that she did not stoop to his level.
I check his site too, but do very picky reading. I don’t agree with 70% of what he puts in the web, and the GW Bush situation as well. Now he has “the creme of the crop” for TOTUS and I am still waiting for a serious, intense backlash the way he treated Bush. A DVD for sale about Obama is just not gonna cut it. O provides plenty of material on a daily basis.
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Keep running your mouth punk.
Let the government try to push this into reality. Parents are capable of AMAZING things when they defend their children.
Debates between left and right are over.
I’m ready for what is next.
Talon on March 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Maxx, no PA nays…not that I am surprised there. Or Ohio which is next to us.
Will go to bed fellas, this is worthy of “spreading around”.
Warm Regards,
PPF
ProudPalinFan on March 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Pole-Cat on March 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Hey John…….
Jeff Dunham called and he needs you back for a show in Nevada.
Talon on March 26, 2009 at 10:57 PM
True_King, I couldn’t have said it any better. The neo-cons here are in denial about all this. Well what will you guys do when there is a knock at the door?
And even I remember hearing about this on Alex Jones’ program before Michelle Malkin and Beck even talked about this on Beck’s program…BETTER GET ON THE BEAM LAMESTREAM MEDIA!
BobAnthony on March 26, 2009 at 11:11 PM
TN Mom on March 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM
They’re thinking that volunteering is good. They’re thinking that young people today need to do more, and learn to serve others. They’re thinking it would be a good thing for young people to serve their country for a while. And, of course, the really objectionable part about making it mandatory was stripped from the bill they voted on.
All too often, people vote for what sounds good without thinking through all the consequences.
That said, “thinking through the consequences” should be part of the job description for Congress.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM
*
You left out the most important one.
* Confiscate guns from civilians – In planning
docdave on March 27, 2009 at 12:11 AM
They’re not getting my kids. Period.
Anyone who voted for this or who supports this is a fool and has an amazing amount of chutzpha. You can have an OPINION as to what my children need, but YOU DON’T GET A VOTE.
I will not give up my parental rights. Not to the public, not to the DNC, not to Congress, not to the Obama Administration.
They can stick it where they sit on it.
GeeWhiz on March 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Btw, I’m going to write a letter to Obama telling him this. That, and that I’m no longer going to be a community service volunteer. And I’m going to start a fire in my own community about this.
The Federal Government is completely out of control.
NO MORE.
GeeWhiz on March 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM
In 1923, the Hitler-Jugend (Hitler Youth) had a little over one thousand members. In 1925 the membership grew to over 5,000. At the end of 1932 it was at 107,956. By the end of 1933, it had grown to 2,300,000 members. Much of these increases came from the merger of other youth organizations with the HJ. (The boy scout movement was banned, then the sizable Evangelische Jugend, a Lutheran youth organisation of 600,000 members, was “integrated” on February 18, 1934).
By December 1936, HJ membership stood at just over five million. That same month, HJ membership became mandatory, under the Gesetz über die Hitlerjugend law. This legal obligation was re-affirmed in 1939 with the Jugenddienstpflicht, now HJ membership was required even when it was opposed by the member’s parents. From then on, most of Germany’s teenagers belonged to the HJ. By 1940, it had eight million members.
Pole-Cat on March 27, 2009 at 1:13 AM
Both my senators voted for this. Bayh is a “moderate” Democrat (definition: Yes, I’ll get on my knees for you, Obama, but I’ll tell the voters I didn’t enjoy it) and Lugar is a senile Republican (same definition).
SKYFOX on March 27, 2009 at 5:30 AM
The Obama regime is working on a complete socialist takeover of America, way beyond the “social democrat” systems in Europe – like in the Netherlands where I’m from.
Obama’s new state looks more like Italy under Mussolini or Venezuela under Chavez. Note he’s only three months into this!
Republicans and conservatives seem clueless. They think Obama is like Clinton or Carter. They think it’s all about taxes and pork. There are much more fundamental things at stake.
modifiedcontent on March 27, 2009 at 8:25 AM
I plan on getting some of that money and build up a right wing activist group to counter ACORN.
Sporty1946 on March 27, 2009 at 8:28 AM
They are going to spend $6 billion dollars of our money so people can “volunteer”. This is insanity.
Good luck with that.
Buy Danish on March 27, 2009 at 8:31 AM
My son did his graduation required community service at church (he had way more hours than they required, too).
He is now serving as a volunteer in the USAF.
ladyingray on March 27, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Oh, and nice vote Senator Alexander. You’re feeling pretty safe since you won reelection, aren’t you?
GIVE isn’t about volunteering, it’s about volunTELLing.
ladyingray on March 27, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Atta boy!
Buy Danish on March 27, 2009 at 8:53 AM
“Have you yourself, or have you ever heard, a joke involving a teleprompter?”
Seven Percent Solution on March 26, 2009 at 7:24 PMHahahahahahahhahaha.
LibTired on March 27, 2009 at 8:56 AM
+100
So true. They ain’t seen nothing yet.
zeebeach on March 27, 2009 at 9:00 AM
You forget that the Constitution doesn’t mean what it says or what the people who wrote it said it means it means what Obama and 9 black robed monarchs SAY it means.
Why the 13th Amendment was REALLY about abortion you know, about the right of women not to be enslaved by the “massah” in her womb. It wasn’t about your children’s right to not have to serve in an Obama
indoctrination camp“community organization”.Up next: The 22nd Amendment only means that George W Bush can’t run for a third term, not awesomely awesome Obamessiahs, especially in this atmosphere of perpetual crisis. There’s like a crisis or something man!
wildcat84 on March 27, 2009 at 9:08 AM
At this point they are pushing so far, so fast that I am actually beginning to believe that revolution is inevitable.
They are trying their damnedest to transform us into a proto-communist state as FAST as possible, exploiting a crisis atmosphere, before the next elections.
At the rate they are going, I’m beginning to have some doubts as to whether we will GET a vote in 2010 and 2012. Or even if we do if it will MATTER, considering how Obama is integrating his vote fraud ACORN arm into the census and the voting process.
Remember it doesn’t matter what the voters vote for it matters who gets to count them. And with many states having Soros/ACORN hand picked secretaries of state (such as the odious Jennifer Bruner in Ohio) and as we are seeing in Minnesota, what we vote for on election day doesn’t matter.
They couldn’t get away with banning the Republican or other parties or taking away the right to vote outright. But they are trying to get away with institutionalizing democrat vote fraud and election rigging. Note that vote fraud always seems to go only one way…
wildcat84 on March 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM
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