Going Galt at AIG

posted at 10:57 am on March 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Now that Congress, Barack Obama, and the media feel thoroughly satisfied in their two-week screechfest over AIG’s retention bonuses, the bill may come due for American taxpayers who invested in the company’s bailout to the tune of over 1,000 times the amount of the bonuses.  The New York Times reprints a resignation letter from one of the targets of Official Ire over the bonuses, a man who worked for the huge salary of $1 apart from the bonus he was promised for helping rescue the company from bankruptcy.  He blames Edward Liddy for not defending his employees, and refuses to work any longer for no compensation:

It is with deep regret that I submit my notice of resignation from A.I.G. Financial Products. I hope you take the time to read this entire letter. Before describing the details of my decision, I want to offer some context:

I am proud of everything I have done for the commodity and equity divisions of A.I.G.-F.P. I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage.

After 12 months of hard work dismantling the company — during which A.I.G. reassured us many times we would be rewarded in March 2009 — we in the financial products unit have been betrayed by A.I.G. and are being unfairly persecuted by elected officials. In response to this, I will now leave the company and donate my entire post-tax retention payment to those suffering from the global economic downturn. My intent is to keep none of the money myself.

I take this action after 11 years of dedicated, honorable service to A.I.G. I can no longer effectively perform my duties in this dysfunctional environment, nor am I being paid to do so. Like you, I was asked to work for an annual salary of $1, and I agreed out of a sense of duty to the company and to the public officials who have come to its aid. Having now been let down by both, I can no longer justify spending 10, 12, 14 hours a day away from my family for the benefit of those who have let me down.

Last week, I wrote that I expected Liddy to say this to Congress in response to their entirely hypocritical, false, and calculated outrage.  Liddy apparently didn’t have the courage of Jake DeSantis, who refuses to stick around and be abused by people who have no clue as to what he does and how he got compensated for it.  DeSantis does, and the Times should get some kudos for giving him a voice.

The US has invested over $150 billion in AIG, expecting to get at least some of that value returned.  If not, we could simply have made direct payments on behalf of AIG to its creditors and allowed the company to go bankrupt.  In order to get value back out of the company, we need to have people on board who understand the complicated financial provisions of AIG’s problems and can apply the investment towards resolving them.  In other words, we needed Jake DeSantis on that wall, and we just did everything we could to knock him off of it, along with the rest of his colleagues.

People have been calling the AIG bonus outrage “understandable.”  That’s a load of crap.  It springs from a fundamental lack of understanding in Congress about the business world and an almost criminal lack of curiosity about the nature of retention bonuses in general, and these retention bonuses and their recipients in particular.  The screeching and hollering was only “understandable” as complete and total ignorance and stupidity.  And that’s not even accounting for the fact that Treasury, Congress, and the Obama administration knew all about these bonuses long before being “outraged” by them.

Now DeSantis is leaving, and the rest of the people that we’ve pilloried without having a clue who they were, what they did, and what they’re doing now will probably follow as soon as they can find jobs.  Why rescue a bunch of ingrates, after all?  Let Obama, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd rescue AIG instead.

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Why rescue a bunch of ingrates, after all? Let Obama, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd rescue AIG instead.

With all due respect to the offices that Obama, Dodd and Frank hold, I’d put more trust in Moe, Larry and Curly.

tgharris on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

we need to bring back Duels

Head of ACORN vs. head of AIG

jp on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

sonofdy on March 25, 2009 at 11:37 AM

The economy is saved.

Move on.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

which will then be taxed as a bonus. LOL

smfoushee on March 25, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Priceless!

scalleywag on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Sure you are. You are having tea parties in support of corporate welfare.

Adults are in charge.

You crazy kids go back to talking about teleprompters.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM

???

How are the “tea parties” supporting “corporate welfare?”

Is that your term for any business tax under 50%?

cs89 on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Ignorance in congress? Or blatant demagoguery? Barney Frank and company all know and knew these AIG people were working for a dollar. THEY ALL KNEW FOR A YEAR.

Producers should all walk away, rather than be screwed by Bawny, Piglosi and Dingy.

dogsoldier on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

It’s nearing gut check time, when the productive will need to determine who they are will to be save and who they are not. Plain and simple, the numbers of productive are dwindling, while the number of getaclue freeloaders are expanding; the producers will eventually have to choose.

Bishop on March 25, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Look if we don’t try to fix this the world is going to fall apart, and as long as you aren’t a sociopath you should be relatively concerned with people starving to death. That’s my big problem. Rand was easily a sociopath, if not a total loon. I just can’t make myself sit back and watch this happen.

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Yes, do not engage me.

Stick to talking about teleprompters.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Okay eplain how your master’s increasing the defict more than bush did in the last 5 years helps us? oh and while you are at it please explain how printing 1 trillion dollars last week was a good idea. Consider yourself engaged.

sonofdy on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Good job, Mr. DeSantis. Idiots that don’t understand business will never see what they’ve done by allowing such outrage that THEY knew about to continue.

ProudinNC on March 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I am all for going Galt. Just change your W4 to 9 and get all your money u earn. Screw the IRS, and the Government.

Mercy4Me on March 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

People have been calling the AIG bonus outrage “understandable.” That’s a load of crap. It springs from a fundamental lack of understanding in Congress about the business world and an almost criminal lack of curiosity about the nature of retention bonuses in general

This really frosts me. The easy sloth of rage and the instinct to follow the herd has infected too many conservatives. Or people I thought were conservatives. A guy with an alleged reputation for intelligence like Michael Medved has himself leaped upon the bandwagon, playing his pitchfork at high C. He’s just another fair-weather conservative. I actually heard him on air recently scold Obastard for, get this, not being direct enough in demanding the return of bonuses from AIG employees. Freakin’ tool you are, Medved.

George Orwell on March 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

The economy is saved.

Move on.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

It is? I guess I missed how unemployment is back under 5%

sonofdy on March 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Is there a policy for banning flamers? Discussion is okay, getalife is like the small dog barking at the german shepherd, he doesn’t have a chance but he’s annoying as hell.

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Ever think we might enjoy feeding trolls? He’s good fodder to demonstrate why liberalism is a disease…

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:35 AM

getalife is like one of those talking dolls that you pull the string and it says a different recorded message each time (with a total of about 5 different sayings). So, you aren’t really debating anyone, you are arguing with a doll.

King of the Britons on March 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM

He blames Edward Liddy for not defending his employees

Kind of hard to defend the indefensible. Those who lay down with dogs get up with fleas.

I am proud of everything I have done for the commodity and equity divisions of A.I.G.-F.P. I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage.

Sure seems that there are an awful lot of piano players working for AIG (Amalgamated Incompetents Group). I didn’t know the whole world had that many piano players. Maybe I should take up music lessons sometime.

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AIG Price Tag: $1,400 per Taxpayer Family
Scholar: Taxpayers Should Feel ‘Cheated’ by the $160B Bailout

The government’s newly overhauled rescue package for AIG is $162.5 billion, according to government officials. Divide that by 111,609,629 — the total number of U.S. households, according to the U.S. Census’ 2005-2007 American Community Survey — and the result is $1,455.97. That’s nearly double the maximum tax benefit U.S. couples will receive under the federal stimulus package approved last month.

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Is AIG’s Reinsurance Side a House of Cards, Too?
March 20, 2009
So it sure sounds like AIG may be hiding its own special version of reinsurance $hitpile in Bermuda.

I’m developing an increasingly gloomy belief that every single one of these bonuses–the AIGFP ones we’re all talking about, but also the 4500 bonuses to people in the so-called “healthy” insurance side–are tied to an amazing financial fraud. And we, the taxpayers, are bribing these people to stick around their fraud long enough to try to undo it.”

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Consumer Watchdog’s executive director Doug Heller said: ‘As the owners of AIG, American taxpayers have a right—and the government has an obligation—to demand that not a dime of bonus money is paid to anyone who broke the law, defrauded a shareholder or can be tied to the disastrous collapse of AIG that led to the bailout”.

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Institutions that are on the “public teat”, that is, those that have taken public funds to guarantee their survival, should be forced to have all employees live under the “GS” schedule for government employment wages, effective at the time they take the public funds. The general rule is this: If we backstop you then you live on public-sector salaries. End of discussion. If you object to this then return the public money and have a go of it on your own.
- Denninger

MB4 on March 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM

No, please, lets let getalife explain himself.

Getalife, go ahead.

sonofdy on March 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I think this resignation is going to VIRAL. With many people being pissed off.

I fully expect DeSantis to get a “Joe The Plumber” proctologic exam of his personal background and life by the MSM with Nazi Fascist and Red Guard Andrew Cuomo and the Democrats feeding that info to the press.

So wonderful to live in the age of dead liberty. And these idiots were so outraged by Bush wiretapping KNOWN terrorists? Pfft! We now know who the REAL enemies of the Constitution are.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

I am all for going Galt. Just change your W4 to 9 and get all your money u earn. Screw the IRS, and the Government.

Mercy4Me on March 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Not to be the devil’s advocate, I’m honestly interested in knowing how you expect ‘screw the IRS’ to work out for you. Not having withholding is good, but you still have to pay taxes at the end of the year minus whatever deductions.

I mean I do that so they can’t have my money until the last possible second but I’m not going to fight the IRS and still be working. If I were going to do that I’d need to disappear, do you plan on disappearing?

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

sonofdy on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Well, it took trillions to fix the economic disaster w left but the President is leading in long term growth addressing long neglected issues.

He will address the deficit in his second term.

Relax, we have a serious adult in charge and you crazy kids can focus on what is really important.

Teleprompters.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Freakin’ tool you are, Medved.

George Orwell on March 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Thank you. I’ve been thinking this for years and I thought I was the only one.

myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Institutions that are on the “public teat”, that is, those that have taken public funds to guarantee their survival, should be forced to have all employees live under the “GS” schedule for government employment wages, effective at the time they take the public funds. The general rule is this: If we backstop you then you live on public-sector salaries. End of discussion. If you object to this then return the public money and have a go of it on your own.
- Denninger

MB4 on March 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Should they apply this retroactively?

“here’s this bailout- Oh, by the way, you may notice a slight adjustment in your next paycheck.”

cs89 on March 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Excuse me, I’m choked up with anger here.”
“How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?” Obama asked. “This isn’t just a matter of dollars and cents. It’s about our fundamental values.”

I take this action after 11 years of dedicated, honorable service to A.I.G. I can no longer effectively perform my duties in this dysfunctional environment, nor am I being paid to do so. Like you, I was asked to work for an annual salary of $1, and I agreed out of a sense of duty to the company and to the public officials who have come to its aid

People have been calling the AIG bonus outrage “understandable.” That’s a load of crap. It springs from a fundamental lack of understanding

Adults are in charge.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM

The disconnect is profound.

canditaylor68 on March 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Look if we don’t try to fix this the world is going to fall apart, and as long as you aren’t a sociopath you should be relatively concerned with people starving to death. That’s my big problem. Rand was easily a sociopath, if not a total loon. I just can’t make myself sit back and watch this happen.
John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Ok then, how far are you willing to take that concern? Would you be willing to work in a communist system for literally nothing for the “good of the people”, because totalitarian states have been justifying their repression with exactly that argument since Ashurbanipal took control of Assyria.

Not that I’m saying communism is a foregone conclusion, but this Galt debate is a matter of degrees: how far are you willing to be pushed before you push back?

Bishop on March 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

The staged, manufactured and produced protests agianst AIG employees is disgraceful. Sure we got mad over bonuses going to employees of a business that may not have gotten bonuses without our taxpayer funded bailout, but that does not give us the right to go and harass the people.
How many people have accounts with Bank of America? How about a group of people show up outside the home of the bank tellers screaming for them to give back any money they have received since getting bailout money? The bank tellers have as much to do with the running of BOA as most of the regular employees of AIG did and yet union thugs and ACORN rabble rousers singled them out fueled by their enablers in the Democrat led congress.
Don’t get me wrong, I have been against all of these bailouts from the begining, although I am softening on the original TARP funds. Folks seem to have forgotten how the Katrina “victims” took advantage of the situation, and still are, once the feds started throwing around debit cards and cash. This is no different. Substitute white collars for t-shirts and private jets for big screen tv’s and whiskey.
Maybe you work for a company that is getting some bailout money. Will you still support protestors outside where you work and traveling around in buses to see where you live if some liberal in congress decides to name your company to some sort of Axis of Evil?
The whole series of events in relation to AIG has been some sort of Edgar Alan Poe horror-mystery.
BTW AIG would not be in the bind they are if the true genesis of this mortgage meltdown hadn’t been enabled by congress all these years, they being Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The longer congress can keep peoples attention directed at private companies and citizens and away from Fannie and Freddie the longer they stay out from under the microscope.
Okay I will shut up now.

Just A Grunt on March 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Well, it took trillions to fix the economic disaster w left but the President is leading in long term growth addressing long neglected issues.

He will address the deficit in his second term.

Relax, we have a serious adult in charge and you crazy kids can focus on what is really important.

Teleprompters.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Okay if that’s true, why does Obama feel the need to address the “long neglected issues” like healthcare, energy, etc before addressing the financial sector?

The “long neglected issues” didn’t wreck the economy, debt did.

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

He will address the deficit in his second term.

Relax, we have a serious adult in charge and you crazy kids can focus on what is really important.

Teleprompters.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Try that with your credit card company.

“Yeah, I know my balance is past due. I’ll send you a check next month.

Hey, how about doubling my credit limit?”

cs89 on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

The Problem is the Government is helping: The Too Big To Fail Corporations get even Bigger we shouldn’t be helping them consolidate we should be breaking them up and selling them off “To Big To Fail” Meet Ebay:)

Why would our Government help some who are incompetent, some who are corrupt and some who are plain intimidated by whats headed in America’s direction. There is an old saying Lead Follow or Get Out of the Way. Thank you Mr.DeSantis your services are no longer needed.

Dr Evil on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Not that I’m saying communism is a foregone conclusion, but this Galt debate is a matter of degrees: how far are you willing to be pushed before you push back?

Bishop on March 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Essentially it is the difference between going Galt and going Dagny.

myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Not that I’m saying communism is a foregone conclusion, but this Galt debate is a matter of degrees: how far are you willing to be pushed before you push back?

Bishop on March 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I guess my answer is that I don’t know. I don’t want to work in a communist system but at the same time, you can’t just let this crap happen. Maybe I’m more in favor of working in the political system till it actually becomes full out communism.

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Oh, does anyone know how long it takes to PRINT 1 trillion dollars?… over 254 days. How’s that for a speedy infusing of the economy with Wiemar level dollars?…… and may I concur with those who say that anyone who wails screeds at the bonuses paid are , in fact, stupid as well as ignorant.

MNDavenotPC on March 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Well, it took trillions to fix the economic disaster w left but the President is leading in long term growth addressing long neglected issues.

Nice talking point, but you didn’t explain anything. You sure didn’t explain how printing 1 trillion dollars is a good thing or how buying a company worth 30 billion for 160 billion and only getting 80% ownership, is a good thing.

He will address the deficit in his second term.

OBAMAS projections for his second term put his deficts at 20% more than bushes worst defict at his best year in his second term, with them growing every single year. The CBO estimates are worse. How is that addressing anything?

Relax, we have a serious adult in charge and you crazy kids can focus on what is really important.

Teleprompters.

So when you were slaming bush for not speaking well, was that you being an adult??

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

sonofdy on March 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM


People have been calling the AIG bonus outrage “understandable.” That’s a load of crap. It springs from a fundamental lack of understanding in Congress about the business world…

Sorry, Ed, but the fault doesn’t lie with politicians – bullsh!t is encoded into the DNA of politicians. The fault lies in the Leftist-dominated American news media.

It is precisely this sort of populist demagoguery that honest journalism is supposed to expose and, in so doing, prevent. And the fact that our news media allows Democrats to engage in these outright lies and “kangaroo court” proceeding is absolute proof of their utterly complete dishonesty and ideological bias.

Refuse to support Leftist propaganda. Do not buy major newspapers. Do not watch network television.

rvastar on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Essentially it is the difference between going Galt and going Dagny.

myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Right. And I’m more like Dagny. Until someone I know is physically threatened/harmed, I’m probably in.

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM

He had to save the economy first them move onto his agenda.

We are headed in the right direction instead of a depression like the gop wanted.

Make no mistake, if the gop ever get power again, they will destroy the economy again.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I wouldn’t be a dollar a year man if they paid me. To apt to have the Red Guards showing up en mass in their tour busses to cave in your front door.

The economy is saved.

Move on.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Oh dear! Obama better act fast!

unclesmrgol on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

myrenovations

I have reluctantly come to this conclusion as well. Too many things he says don’t make sense. And he is always quite amenable to things like sin taxes. Have you noticed that?

I don’t get what happened to Mitt Romney’s boyfriend either. LIterally twenty-four hours before Daschle took himself out of the nomination for HHS, Hughie was on the air saying all Obumble’s nominations should go through; this is not a big deal; these tax issues happen to the best of these public servants. I am not kidding. Jump the shark, he did. Literally one day before Daschle took a powder.

George Orwell on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Is there a policy for banning flamers? Discussion is okay, getalife is like the small dog barking at the german shepherd, he doesn’t have a chance but he’s annoying as hell.
John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Unfortunately, getaclue lives near a library which is open 24/7; he blocks out big chunks of time on the public-use PC’s.

Bishop on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Yes Barney Frank, Dodd et al are scum – but this guy needs a federal justice department review

EricPWJohnson on March 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM

The liberal theme song “federal review”, “put em in cuffs”, “harrass them till they cave”, with not one clue as to contract law. You sound just like Pelosi, Reid and the rest of nut jobs calling for a federal review of Bush, Cheney etc for their so called “war crimes”.

If you guys had your way, every Rebublican or person who doesn’t agree with our dear Leader would be under “federal review”.

Knucklehead on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

I don’t know about anyone else, but I upped my W-4 allowances to 13, got a tiny, tiny refund, and was thankful that I didn’t give the feds a large interest-free loan in 2008.

Snowed In on March 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/common-sense-gun-laws-obamas-attack-on-the-second-amendment/

All gun owners should read and watch this development closely.

Liberals have been plotting ways to rid the country of both the 1st and 2nd amendments for a lifetime. Disarm the public, while arming a civilian national guard of sorts…

Keemo on March 25, 2009 at 11:52 AM

It is disappointing that Ryan, Cantor, and Putnam, too, voted for the lynch mob bill (though Grassley’s performance in the Senate may have been the Republican nadir). In Cantor’s case there was apparently a personal element (his wife works for a TARP recipient company and it led to personal attacks on his motivations), but going back to his disastrous PR job on the TARP bill last fall, when he made it appear that House Republicans switched to no votes because Pelosi hurt their feelings, he continually falls short of the hopes that at other times conservatives seem ready to invest in him.

Cantor does good things for the party and the movement, Ryan has a future, and Boehner freed all the Rs to vote their conscience (that is, perceived political interests), but when it comes to leadership, it’s not always clear these guys could handle a Boy Scout troop, much less the country.

CK MacLeod on March 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM

EricPWJohnson on March 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM

If anything this letter will hasten that possibility not protect him in any way. The way I see it, he is in a no win situation. Sit back, grab some popcorn and watch the show. Oh and hang on to your wallet.

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The US has invested over $150 billion in AIG, expecting to get at least some of that value returned.

Invseted? lol.

Pennies on the dollar, at best.

If not, we could simply have made direct payments on behalf of AIG to its creditors and allowed the company to go bankrupt.

Why make any payments to AIG’s (Amalgamated Incompetents Group) creditors? They made a deal with the Devil, not me, and not Joe and Sally Taxpayer, so why should we bail them out? AIG’s (Amalgamated Incompetents Group) stockholders are not being bailed out, are they? Were ENRON’s?

MB4 on March 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I guess my answer is that I don’t know. I don’t want to work in a communist system but at the same time, you can’t just let this crap happen. Maybe I’m more in favor of working in the political system till it actually becomes full out communism.
John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I hear ya, though if it got to that point it would be too late, or very nearly so. Fascist states create systems for keeping track of everyone, and a popular movement to “quit” after the fact would be resisted heavily by the government.

I have an advantage, IMO, of having skills which translate well to an underground or barter economy so I suppose I should be more cognizant that it isn’t easy for everyone to simply drop off the grid if it became necessary.

Bishop on March 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM

One quick question: If someone agrees to help dismantle a company on the verge of bankruptcy – based solely on the offer of a future payment…

How much of a financial genious could he possibly be? I’m thinking somebody should ask for that $1/year back.

logis on March 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM

He had to save the economy first them move onto his agenda.

We are headed in the right direction instead of a depression like the gop wanted.

Make no mistake, if the gop ever get power again, they will destroy the economy again.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I think you are in a hard loop. Better have your programing code checked.

MB4 on March 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Oh, does anyone know how long it takes to PRINT 1 trillion dollars?… over 254 days. How’s that for a speedy infusing of the economy with Wiemar level dollars?…… and may I concur with those who say that anyone who wails screeds at the bonuses paid are , in fact, stupid as well as ignorant.

MNDavenotPC on March 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Ah, but they don’t really PRINT the money… its just digits in a computer…

Actualy, at the lowest level, they are composed of high and low voltage states in processors and storage media… which is part of the problem, the money is now just computer digits totaly divorced from anything real.

Romeo13 on March 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM

With all due respect to the offices that Obama, Dodd and Frank hold, I’d put more trust in Moe, Larry and Curly.

tgharris on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Don’t you mean Dewey, Cheatum and Howe?

roux on March 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Keemo on March 25, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Isn’t that something, outlawing a private citizen’s ability to so much as pass on an antique .22 rifle to their kid.

If the dems are looking for a fight, they will find one on this issue; 75 million gun owners constitute quite a voting demographic.

Bishop on March 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM

With all due respect to the offices that Obama, Dodd and Frank hold, I’d put more trust in Moe, Larry and Curly.

tgharris on March 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Don’t you mean Dewey, Cheatum and Howe?

roux on March 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Either/or.

tgharris on March 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Romeo, I defer to your knowledge, but my point remains the same…. it ain’t money if it has no backing excepting ” the full faith and trust” issue… which is now effectively gone.

MNDavenotPC on March 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I am proud of everything I have done for the commodity and equity divisions of A.I.G.-F.P. I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G.

I saw nothing. I heard nothing. I know nothing. I did not even get up any morning that anything less pure than the driven snow happened at AIG.

OberfeldwebelSchultz on March 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I guess my answer is that I don’t know. I don’t want to work in a communist system but at the same time, you can’t just let this crap happen. Maybe I’m more in favor of working in the political system till it actually becomes full out communism.
John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

That’s the way it always works: no one ever gives away his freedoms permanently; we only loan them out temporarily, fully expecting they can and will be returned whenever we want them back.

I’m sure the Jews in the Warsaw ghettos politely requested their right to bear arms back when they heard the knock at the door – but by then it was too late.

logis on March 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM

You’re walking down the street. You see a person sitting on a curb who is quite obviously mentally disturbed – talking to themselves, wild gestures, etc.

Question: do you stop and try to have political conversations with them? No, you don’t. Why? Because you know that that person is incapable of engaging in the honest back-n-forth that is necessary for having a rational discussion. It’s simply a complete waste of time.

With that in mind, why do any of you continue to engage with the Leftist trolls on this site?…trolls who have no intention or desire to honestly, rationally discuss these issues?

Their only purpose is to get you to respond to them, like a screaming child. Stop responding to the screaming child and it will stop.

rvastar on March 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Look if we don’t try to fix this the world is going to fall apart, and as long as you aren’t a sociopath you should be relatively concerned with people starving to death. That’s my big problem. Rand was easily a sociopath, if not a total loon. I just can’t make myself sit back and watch this happen.

John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Agreed.

Count to 10 on March 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Oh, does anyone know how long it takes to PRINT 1 trillion dollars?… over 254 days. How’s that for a speedy infusing of the economy with Wiemar level dollars?…… and may I concur with those who say that anyone who wails screeds at the bonuses paid are , in fact, stupid as well as ignorant.

MNDavenotPC on March 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM

But only 2.54 days if they are all hundies.

unclesmrgol on March 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM

that we’ve pilloried without having a clue who they were,

Speak for yourself. I understood what was going on the whole time and don’t begrudge any of these people a penny. Only people who fell for the fascists propaganda trick, are concerned about keeping their cushy congressional position or think that the demofascists are just “good Americans who have a different philosophy about how things should be done.” jumped into the lynch mob after these people.

peacenprosperity on March 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Never let facts get in the way of not letting a crisis go to waste.

Oh well. Who is John Galt?

Mallard T. Drake on March 25, 2009 at 12:05 PM

George Orwell on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Yes, the affinity for sin taxes is disturbing. I have started to think that Medved is so self-righteous that his definition of conservatism begins and ends with just the things that he believes in.

Hugh? Ugh. Most of the time I enjoy him, but he is so afraid of becoming marginalized as a “kook” that he has become a whichever way the wind blows kind of guy.

I love talk radio, but some of these people are making it so hard for me to enjoy them.

myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 12:05 PM

In addition to lies, the AIG “outrage” was drummed up through assumptions. People ASSUMED:

That the people getting bonuses were lazy executives;
That they were the same people who had hurt the company;
That they were otherwise being handsomely paid for their work;
That Congress knew what they were talking about;
That the AIG guys had no choice other than stay and work;
That the AIG people could be shamed into saving the American taxpayer Billions of dollars for free;
And lastly, that losing $165 million was the worst option on the table.

hawksruleva on March 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Ok, I tried to engage getalife but as soon as I asked for specifics he disapppeared. No suprise.

Talking points do NOT impress me.

sonofdy on March 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I saw nothing. I heard nothing. I know nothing. I did not even get up any morning that anything less pure than the driven snow happened at AIG.

OberfeldwebelSchultz on March 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Tell me, Oberfeld, when did Rick DeSantis start working at AIG? How many e-mails did he send or not send about concerns over the credit default swaps? How much money did DeSantis, personally, already lose because of this? How much money will we, the taxpayer, lose because of DeSantis’ departure from the management of a portfolio worth millions?

This whole mess was started by guys like you, who figured that everybody involved was guilty. But you know what? In most situations, there’s guilty people and innocent people. And if we’re going to just punish them all together, well, maybe we should apply the same policies to GITMO detainees that you want to apply to AIG.

hawksruleva on March 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Let Dodd, Frank and Pelosi work for a year! Yeah, right. They get the bulk of their money on the side anyway. I’m convinced.

Last week I said that Liddy’s payday would have to come someday soon. NO ONE is going to work for $1/year unless it is their own company or Mayor Bloomberg I guess.

Oink on March 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Then we could find you and give you the cranial enema you so desperately need.

AubieJon on March 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Heh, good one! Also, since get-a-clue has obviously already had a lobotomy there is a ready-made hole in his head to insert the enema tube thus saving the doctors time and effort!

Liberty or Death on March 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM

I think this resignation is going to VIRAL. With many people being pissed off.

I fully expect DeSantis to get a “Joe The Plumber” proctologic exam of his personal background and life by the MSM with Nazi Fascist and Red Guard Andrew Cuomo and the Democrats feeding that info to the press.

So wonderful to live in the age of dead liberty. And these idiots were so outraged by Bush wiretapping KNOWN terrorists? Pfft! We now know who the REAL enemies of the Constitution are.

HondaV65 on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

When reviewing left wing accusations, you have to understand they are generally projection.

So, for example, when we found out that Bush allowed wiretapping international calls to Al Qaeda, and the Left started arguing about how Bush was listening in to domestic calls by his political opponents, we can take that to mean the Left wants to wiretap its domestic political opponents.

Of course the Left has a history of using the government to go after its nominal political opponents.. JFK went after MLK Jr, LBJ went after dozens of his political opponents (with Moyers as one of his hatchet men), and Clinton mirrored LBJ.

18-1 on March 25, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I think it’s time we start ignoring getalife. It’s very clear he’s just trolling to get a rise out of people posting here. He(?) no longer even tries to make points and is just throwing out ridiculous platitudes.

strictnein on March 25, 2009 at 12:25 PM


Dodd’s Wife a Former Director of Bermuda-Based IPC Holdings, an AIG Controlled Company

That is the headline on Drudge and RCP. I’d say that about nails the coffin on Dodd’s Senate re-election.

Now they need to expose Obama’s more direct ties which I’m sure exist he got more donations per year than anyone and of course the squeaky clean Barney Frank.

petunia on March 25, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Since Precedent Uh-Ohbama doesn’t seem to know what’s going on with his own staff, and doesn’t bother to read 1000-plus page TRILLION DOLLAR bills, and when you get him off TOTUS his schpiel changes,…WHO THE HELL IS REALLY RUNNING THE COUNTRY?!

Rahm and Axelrod seem to be effective puppet-masters, but who do they answer to? Is it a person or a group? Soros? The Union Union? Remnnts of the Weather Underground? Lenin’s ghost?

Maybe I’m losing my mind and having a bad day, but the more we see and learn of Obama, the more it seems to me that there is some invisible hand guiding this peaceful coup d’etat? Yes, I said coup d’etat.

AIG is a perfect example. Who got the most in political contributions from AIG over the last 10 YEARS? Who has handed AIG hundreds of billion$$$ of our tax dollars, only to see many (half?) of those billion$$$ get sent to overseas banks? Who tried to cover for the AIG bonuses that Geithner knew about months ago, by inserting language in the bill to protect them in the bailout? Who then feigned outrage over the AIG bonuses that they knew about all along?

Barack Hussein Obama & Chris Dodd.

And who were the protesters on the busses sent in to terrorize and intimidate AIG executives? Who hired the buses in the first place? It seems we now have that answer…

ACORN.

…but who hired ACORN? ________________?

Hmmm, when I follow the money, it appears to me that what is happening now has its roots in something that was planned at least 2 years ago, when the Democraps took control of Congress.

Someone please tell me I’m just nuts, and we’ll all wake up soon from this bad dream.

ornery_independent on March 25, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Yes, do not engage me.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Darn straight!!!! I’m already married, and she’s a whole lot smarter on issues then you are! Why would I trade in such a wonderful catch on a brain-dead zombie like you?

dominigan on March 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM

In other words, we needed Jake DeSantis on that wall, and we just did everything we could to knock him off of it, along with the rest of his colleagues.

Not only did we knock him off the wall, we also ensured that no one else with those qualifications will be willing to take his place on the parapet.
And I say “Bravo government education! You’ve succeeded in destroying rational thought and appreciation about capitalism, freedom, liberty and the Constitution and substituting a socialist/collectivist mob mentality. Congratulations again!”

Amendment X on March 25, 2009 at 12:31 PM

My theroy is that getalife is more than one person… it must be a password that the DNC gives out to make sure they know what is going on here and to try to get some threatening language to embarrass in a future headline or something. It doesn’t make sense to say the stupidity that comes from getalife most of the time… but sometimes it is more cogent than others. So it’s probably different people.

petunia on March 25, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I thought cons were against welfare.

Another principle gone huh?

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM

We are!!!! This wasn’t welfare. This was a retention bonus plan as part of a contract. You know… contracts… entered into voluntarily by two parties. Those things unions like to hide behind…

dominigan on March 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I thought cons were against welfare.

Another principle gone huh?

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:24 AM

We are and welfare started at TARP and hasn’t stopped since.

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Hey, populist hatred is what all the cool kids are doing, of course our elected officials are on board.

Yes AIG will fail, taking $170,000 million dollars of taxpayer invested funds with it; but we’ll get back out 165 million in bonuses.

And who wouldn’t set fire to $1,000 of taxpayer funds to take $1 from an eeevil “rich person”. Obviously class warfare is alive and well and we’ll destroy the country and everything in it in order to get those “rich people”.

gekkobear on March 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM

I keep thinking there is going to be a Joe McCarthy moment with these leftists at some point. I had hoped Liddy would have done it when Barney Frank demanded the names of all the execs who received the retention payments.

rockmom on March 25, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Essentially it is the difference between going Galt and going Dagny.
myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Right. And I’m more like Dagny. Until someone I know is physically threatened/harmed, I’m probably in.
John_Locke on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

How about this as an alternative:

Socialism’s power base is built upon earnings forcibly seized from achievers. They depend on achievers cooperatively producing wealth from which they can buy votes.
This is Socialism’s Achilles heel.
The Socialists need wealth to be continually produced in order to cling to power. While they can seize current assets, they cannot take future efforts. They cannot maintain their control over society without achievers continuing to produce wealth for them to confiscate.
At this point, a complete work stoppage would be impractical. However, a short term “Achiever’s Strike” will have the same effect. This would simply be a one-day, week or longer strike. Whatever it takes to stop this madness. It means shutting down your business for a short time as an act of civil disobedience and taking a well-deserved break.
Protests can be ignored, shenanigans with taxes can be prosecuted, but interrupting the Socialist’s revenue stream will grab them by the short hairs.
You achievers must know that the Socialist’s are using your competitive strengths against your own best interests. You have to stop them by stopping yourself, at least temporarily.

This is something you need to do, for you and the rest of society.
Jon Galt

SeanTate5 on March 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Nazi Fascist and Red Guard Andrew Cuomo

Thank you. that name is not spoken around here enough and not enough by all the brilliant “conservative” pundits that try to tell us what is going on. cuomo is as responsible for what’s going on as any single person and he is actively manipulating the situation. He is a very, very dangerous person, even more then barry. barry is probably afraid of cuomo. cuomo is like elliot spitzer on steroids and crack but without the sparkling personality. He will do more serious damage to this country before he is done.

peacenprosperity on March 25, 2009 at 12:49 PM

He had to save the economy first them move onto his agenda.

We are headed in the right direction instead of a depression like the gop wanted.

Make no mistake, if the gop ever get power again, they will destroy the economy again.

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

It’s really time to grow up.

Chuck Schick on March 25, 2009 at 12:55 PM

However, a short term “Achiever’s Strike” will have the same effect. This would simply be a one-day, week or longer strike. Whatever it takes to stop this madness. It means shutting down your business for a short time as an act of civil disobedience and taking a well-deserved break.
Protests can be ignored, shenanigans with taxes can be prosecuted, but interrupting the Socialist’s revenue stream will grab them by the short hairs.
You achievers must know that the Socialist’s are using your competitive strengths against your own best interests. You have to stop them by stopping yourself, at least temporarily.

This is something you need to do, for you and the rest of society.
Jon Galt

SeanTate5 on March 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I support the theory. I would support the people who participated. I just don’t know how it would play in this current state of populist feeding frenzy.

myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Make no mistake, if the gop ever get power again, they will destroy the economy again.

A little factoid for ya…U.S. History began well before 1994.

Here’s another one, deficit spending has been accelerating since the 1930s. Guess who’s been in charge of Congress for the majority of that time?

Guess who signed Social Security and Medicare into law?

Oh yes, and what two government programs have unfunded liabilities five times the national debt?

Sell your selective memory somewhere else please.

TheMightyMonarch on March 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Oh yes, and what two government programs have unfunded liabilities five times the national debt?

Sell your selective memory somewhere else please.

TheMightyMonarch on March 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM

You should add: Guess who voted to spend all the excess payroll taxes in with the general revenue fund, starting the slow death of social security?

myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 1:15 PM

The government needs to distribute all of the stock it owns in AIG and the other financial institutions receiving TARP funds to the adult US citizens, who are qualified to vote, per capita.

The poor people will sell their stock to the investor class.

The poor people will get a real stimulus that they will immediately spend, thereby resulting in an economic uptick (like the stimulus was designed to promote).

The government won’t own stock in private companies.

The new shareholders can elect competent directors who will, in turn, hire competent employees to run the companies in a profitable, efficient manner.

Next problem?

molonlabe28 on March 25, 2009 at 1:16 PM

You should add: Guess who voted to spend all the excess payroll taxes in with the general revenue fund, starting the slow death of social security?

Social Security was already unsustainable, this just hastened the process. But hell, at least it made us think we were actually running balanced budgets for a couple of years!

TheMightyMonarch on March 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM

When I was in college, I had a job in a branch office of a large (at the time) computer company. Their market took a downturn, and they were closing the branch offices they couldn’t afford anymore, but they still needed people to tie up the loose ends so the loss of intellectual capital from the closing would be minimized. The employees, on the other hand, wanted to get on with their life and go to some interviews without a blot on their resume from having worked for a failing company, not to mention to joy of having a literally dead-end job to come to work to every morning. The company, quite rationally, offered us bonuses to stay on and complete the work that needed doing, and the AIG bonuses were nothing more than that.

The whole outrage melodrama is disgusting, and Liddy should have told Congress to take his job and shove it when he was on the stand being grilled by them. Sometimes you can have too much civic responsibility, as DeSantis’s wonderful letter clearly articulates.

Socratease on March 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Thank God were getting back the $160 million in bonuses.

That will help pay off the $200 billion in wasted taxpayer money when AIG collapses because no one will work there anymore.

Chuck Schick on March 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM

I think it’s time we start ignoring getalife. It’s very clear he’s just trolling to get a rise out of people posting here. He(?) no longer even tries to make points and is just throwing out ridiculous platitudes.

strictnein on March 25, 2009 at 12

:25 PM

Trolls have no points. Axelrod’s only instruction to them is to disrupt the focus of the message, as in be obnoxious.

anniekc on March 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM

getalife on March 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM

I’m sure the monotone message at the reeducation camp will be just as soothing as your calm Hot Air demeanor. I can’t wait.

hawkdriver on March 25, 2009 at 1:35 PM

I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G.

good bye.

for others: an executive at a failed business goes into an early but generous retirement, so prepare for the economy to collapse.

sesquipedalian on March 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM

However, a short term “Achiever’s Strike” will have the same effect. This would simply be a one-day, week or longer strike. Whatever it takes to stop this madness. It means shutting down your business for a short time as an act of civil disobedience and taking a well-deserved break.
Protests can be ignored, shenanigans with taxes can be prosecuted, but interrupting the Socialist’s revenue stream will grab them by the short hairs.
You achievers must know that the Socialist’s are using your competitive strengths against your own best interests. You have to stop them by stopping yourself, at least temporarily.
This is something you need to do, for you and the rest of society.
Jon Galt
SeanTate5 on March 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM
I support the theory. I would support the people who participated. I just don’t know how it would play in this current state of populist feeding frenzy.
myrenovations on March 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM

No matter what happens, the achiever’s in this nation will tapper off their efforts under the punishing weight of Socialism. Witness today’s news.

The underlying concept is that if we achiever’s take this action NOW, we can stop this train wreck.

The economy can either be slowed down temporarily, or slide into the toilet.

SeanTate5 on March 25, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Trolls have no points. Axelrod’s only instruction to them is to disrupt the focus of the message, as in be obnoxious.
anniekc on March 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM

I don’t mind trools. It’s just that this one is so incredibly BAD at it.

It’s like that old Monty Python skit about the “arguer” who did nothing but mindlessly gainsay everything he heard. It was funny — for like five minutes.

But thirty years later and (I’m estimating) a hundred times a day, every day? Not so much.

logis on March 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Thank God were getting back the $160 million in bonuses.

That will help pay off the $200 billion in wasted taxpayer money when AIG collapses because no one will work there anymore.

Chuck Schick on March 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Exactly. It is amazing, though, how many people are mad at DeSantis just because he made $750,000 in one year. But there’s probably a reason he was earning that much, and it’s not just “AIG was stealing money from poor innocent banks”. A lot of those AIG guys were managing portfolios worth tens of millions of dollars.

Example: DeSantis is working on selling off toxic assets worth $50 million dollars. Congress turns the screws, he leaves, but we get back his $1 million bonus. Congress also gets to keep the $50 million financial time bomb. The net result of their actions: Taxpayers lose $49 million.

That’s not so hard to understand, is it?

hawksruleva on March 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM

That’s not so hard to understand, is it?

hawksruleva on March 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Obama and Congress (GOP included) essentially threw out contract law for the sake of political gain.

Who the hell is going to get into trust these people going forward? You’d have to have a screw loose to stick around a TARP company.

Chuck Schick on March 25, 2009 at 2:32 PM

It’s really time to grow up.

Chuck Schick on March 25, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Actually, I think it’s past time to bring out the ban hammer. A commitment to free discourse doesn’t mean AP and Ed have to tolerate one of Axelrod’s astrotuf squads using a Hot Air user name to spam the boards with stupid crap like this. I think we can pre-emptively imagine “getalife’s” response to any conceivable future development. There’s no point in wasting valuable comment space letting the astroturf team spell it out.

Thank God were getting back the $160 million in bonuses.

That will help pay off the $200 billion in wasted taxpayer money when AIG collapses because no one will work there anymore.

Chuck Schick on March 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM

The government could save a lot of time by passing a law that says no private citizen can perform any job that is not completely understood by all private citizens. Then at least you’d know where you stand, when it’s time to choose a major in college. Going into something like medicine or high finance is obviously a waste of time, since the former is currently heavily controlled by politicans and is scheduled to be completely taken over, and the latter is already a fully-owned arm of the government.

If there’s one thing the Obama government is good at doing, it’s destroying trust. Advanced economies are built on the concept of trust: reliance on a stable currency, trust in the sanctity of contracts, the belief that a player in the markets knows what the laws are – and can rely on the rule of law to protect them from ex post facto changes.

The most powerful aspect of an advanced economy is the willingness of consumers to purchase goods and services they do not intimately understand. In a primitive economy, the buyer of a horse must understand a great deal about horses, while the purchaser of a rug must know something about weaving, to make a wise purchase. In an advanced technological society, consumers must have the trust to purchase things like flat-screen TVs, computers, sophisticated automobiles, and cell phones, without being experts in how they are constructed and used. It’s equally important to have such trust when purchasing complex services, such as medicine or financial counseling.

A well-run government has a crucial role in enhancing that trust, by assuring the quality of goods and services, and impartially enforcing laws that encourage predictability and stability. Obama and the Democrats are doing the exact opposite, by demonstrating that ex post facto laws are a tool in their toolbox, ginning up populist outrage against law-abiding citizens, devaluing the currency through absurd deficit spending, and driving skilled professionals out of complex markets. The consumer or investor of 2009 cannot have confidence in anything – the government could change anything on a whim, in response to a public opionion poll, and the higher up the economic ladder you are, the more vulnerable you are.

Doctor Zero on March 25, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Dr 0 said:

If there’s one thing the Obama government is good at doing, it’s destroying trust. Advanced economies are built on the concept of trust: reliance on a stable currency, trust in the sanctity of contracts, the belief that a player in the markets knows what the laws are – and can rely on the rule of law to protect them from ex post facto changes.

This is the nail and the head right there.

We have 2 problems right now- an economic turndown and a financial crisis.

The latter is an issue of fixing TRUST in our financial institutions and the monetary system as a whole. Obama is doing everything in his power to address the former, because it is where the votes are.

He is not only ignoring the latter to concentrate the former- he is GUTTING the latter to BENEFIT the former.

We can survive double digit unemployment and inflation- thats just an economic state. We cannot survive the backbone of the economy breaking in 2- which is the path Obama and Congress have us on.

Chuck Schick on March 25, 2009 at 2:49 PM

“It springs from a fundamental lack of understanding in Congress ”

Ed, they have no need to understand business. They understand the game they are playing very well.

oakpack on March 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM

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