Stimulus idea: How about massive forgiveness of student loans?

posted at 4:01 pm on March 24, 2009 by Allahpundit

Nothing on this yet from Congress or The One, but a Facebook group dedicated to the proposal has 138,000 members and counting. No typo. My sense of personal responsibility says no but my debt-crushed monthly budget cries proceed:

Tax rebate checks DO NOT stimulate the economy – history shows that people either spend such rebates on paying off credit card debt, or they simply save them, doing little to nothing to stimulate the economy…

Forgiving student loan debt would have an IMMEDIATE stimulating effect on the economy. Responsible people who did nothing other than pursue a higher education would have hundreds, if not thousands of extra dollars per month to spend, fueling the economy NOW. Those extra dollars being pumped into the economy would have a multiplying effect, unlike many of the provisions of the new stimulus package. As a result, tax revenues would go up, the credit markets will unfreeze and jobs will be created. Consumer spending accounts for over two thirds of the entire U.S. economy and in recent months, consumer spending has declined at alarming, unprecedented rates. Therefore, it stands to reason that the fastest way to revive our ailing economy is to do something drastic to get consumers to spend…

I am in no way suggesting that the lending institutions who manage such debts get legislatively shafted by having these assets wiped from their books. The banks and other financial institutions are going to get their money regardless because, in addition to the $700 TARP bailout, more bailout money is coming their way (stay tuned!) – this proposal merely suggests that educated, hardworking Americans who are saddled with student loan debt should get something in return, rather than sending those institutions another enormous blank check. Because the banks are being handed Trillions of dollars anyway, there would be no danger of making funds unavailable to future borrowers…

Washington cannot simply print and borrow money to get us out of this crisis. We The People, however, can get this economy moving NOW. All we need is relief from debt that was accrued under the now-false promise that higher education equates with higher earnings.

Unfair to those who repaid their loans or didn’t have loans in the first place? Sure — but no more so than dumping oceans of TARP cash on the banks that created the crisis. And if, if the stimulus effect of loan forgiveness is as profound as these guys think, taxpayers would be repaid in the form of a quicker economic rebound. One question, though: Why do they assume forgiven debtors would spend the savings instead of pocketing them or using them to pay off other debt a la tax rebate checks? The answer, maybe, is the sheer amount of money we’re talking about. In my case, forgiving federal loans would save me north of $8,000 a year; toss private loans in there and it’s a cool ten grand. I’d sock some of that away, but with tens of thousands dollars suddenly freed up, I’d also start looking at home prices in the area. Stimulating! Exit question: Who’s onboard?

Blowback

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Student loans are not the source of evil. It is the education system and the ignorant belief that everyone should have a college degree. Student loans are just a vehicle to feed that beast.

jdkchem on March 24, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Get rid of the degree requirement from a lot of things and you wouldn’t have that problem as much.

sethstorm on March 24, 2009 at 10:41 PM

NoLeftTurn

Absolutely you are right. It’s incontrovertible. Any commodity subsidized whether by loan or gift from the government by iron law will rise in price. If the government said “we’ll give you a loan to buy a playstation that you have to pay back over 10 years,” the price of a playstation would double. Obviously. Colleges and Universities price their wares with the awareness that clueless freshmen with no economic experience will sign up for anything. The pricing formula goes from “what should I charge for X” to “what should I charge for X given that a third party is going to pay for X today and genius college boy has no idea what he’s getting into.” There is a world of difference between the two calculations. College is overpriced because college students are not economically aware enough to realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

shazbat on March 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM

well this is nice. You mean I could have had a free education instead of driving to work everyday to pay my bills wishing I had the time to take off and better myself?
Looks like the ‘screw the one who tries’ rule applies here too. Funny its mostly responsible white people who it seems to always screw over, especially white males.

johnnyU on March 24, 2009 at 11:18 PM

No offence folks, but SCREW this! I work 30+ hours a week and use my GI Bill benefits (which I EARNED thankyouverymuch) and Tuition Assistance from the National Guard so I can afford to educate myself at a State school, all in the name of being RESPONSIBLE and staying out of debt. If you took student loans, you MADE THE CHOICE to exchange an education for debt. Some folks do it responsibly, many do not. I opposed TARP, I oppose this. It’s a slap in the face to those of us who try to make it on our own and to those who only use the loans to augment their other incomes so they can continue their educations. This benefits most those who were the most irresponsible and penalizes those who chose to take responsibility for their own educations. No, no, and again, no!

Militant Bibliophile on March 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM

seketabi on March 24, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Incapable of searching, nothing. Incapable of getting…

I really don’t know at this point. Honestly, I really don’t. I jump through all the hoops with a smile, dress to the nines and haven’t got so much as a parking ticket to my name. I’m still waiting on dozens of promised calls. And this while my peers have all gotten jobs and lives to the last man. It’s enough to make me think a certain deity is giving me two cosmic thumbs down.

Dark-Star on March 24, 2009 at 11:45 PM

ANYTHING to get them to stop calling me 8 – 10 times a day for money I don’t have. I’m eligible to put it off but I don’t even have the cash to do that just now. If full time teaching positions weren’t so hard to come by in Kahleeforneeah I wouldn’t have any problem in any way paying them back – early too!

NTropy on March 25, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Why not something like interest-only payments for the next three years, or just cutting the interest during the recession? I mean, you don’t have to actually forgive the debt (which is only justifiable because everyone else is getting bailouts) in order to figure out how to lessen the load.

If they are going to refinance troubled mortgages, why not troubled student loan debt?

Roxeanne de Luca on March 25, 2009 at 2:03 AM

Allah, if you’re really hard up, you could hawk your iPhone…

Tzetzes on March 25, 2009 at 3:45 AM

And the Nanny state marches forward. Give benefits to all groups and have all groups vote nanny state politicians into power. If this talk is working on Hot air contributers, we are lost and this nation is heading towards that from the cradle to the grave philosophy in a real hurry. I have to say I’m a bit disapointed allahpundit.

Sounds like many who have commented have said something to the effect of interest free loans. I could swallow that but a massive forgiveness of loans is never a good idea. Responsibility people responsibility.

uskorea on March 25, 2009 at 4:22 AM

Militant Bibliophile on March 24, 2009

How can you oppose something that would benefit AP so much? You heartless bastich.

SKYFOX on March 25, 2009 at 5:29 AM

Nine Years ago I had $50k of student/parent loan debt and no degree to show for it, having had to drop out when the loan companies decided to cut off further loans to my parents about two weeks before I began a new year.

Today I have no debt, a degree, supporting a younger relative through college, and enough for a down payment in one of the pricier markets. All but the last was due to saving everything I could, cutting expenses to the bone, and taking advantage of the opportunities life handed me.

It required a lot of sacrifice, effort, and pain. But you know what? To clear out all this debt will require exactly that. The difference is do the individuals who built up the debt suffer it, or do we all suffer it through the government forcing us to?

StargazerA5

StargazerA5 on March 25, 2009 at 7:11 AM

My sense of personal responsibility says no but my debt-crushed monthly budget cries proceed:

I don’t begrudge Allah his desire to improve his personal economic situation by having the government forgive his loans. It bothers me that he uses the fact that money is being tossed about to benefit others – others better off – as an excuse. Whatever. All of us depend on government for a lot more than we’re willing to admit so wanting to have more walking around money and convincing oneself it would benefit all by “stimulating” the economy is as good a justification as any for seeing “opportunity in crisis.”

When even a good conservative compromises his personal conservative principles to better his own life, I think we can safely say that America is changing – has been changing right under our noses for decades – and that conservatism must seek new definitions (not new principles) to describe what is happening and engage in a dialogue over what relevance conservative has in a 21st century democracy.

rick moran on March 25, 2009 at 7:20 AM

My loans were paid off sometime around 1990. When I took them out, interest was deductible, but by the time they were due to be paid, that deduction was removed. And these people want my tax dollars to pay off the principal? Um, hell no.

MilesfromKansas on March 25, 2009 at 7:31 AM

well this is nice. You mean I could have had a free education instead of driving to work everyday to pay my bills wishing I had the time to take off and better myself?
Looks like the ’screw the one who tries’ rule applies here too. Funny its mostly responsible white people who it seems to always screw over, especially white males.

johnnyU on March 24, 2009 at 11:18 PM

So my husband and I paid cash for our education (well, his parents did but still he went to an Ivy), we waited for housing prices to calm down and didn’t get a crazy loan and now we are paying for everyone else???? F*** that, I’m moving….

Ann NY on March 25, 2009 at 7:56 AM

All of us depend on government for a lot more than we’re willing to admit so wanting to have more walking around money and convincing oneself it would benefit all by “stimulating” the economy is as good a justification as any for seeing “opportunity in crisis.”

Actually I don’t depend on the government at all. We don’t have kids, yet we are still paying for local schools, we own a business that hasn’t taken a dime of government money, we pay super high premiums on our health insurance per month (obviously our $1500 is subsidizing all the people who qualify for the $100 a month Healthy NY plans), we get no tax rebates and when I see a friend of mine who earned under $20,000 last year get a $7000 refund while we get a tax bill that would make most people cry, it makes my blood boil a bit. So no, we don’t get much for the tens of thousands of dollars we contribute every year.

Ann NY on March 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM

Exit question: Who’s onboard?

Nobody with a modicum of decency and/or personal responsibility…

PAY your debts deadbeat(s)

sirpatrick on March 25, 2009 at 8:17 AM

I think they should make student loans tax deductable for EVERYONE not just people that didn’t use their education. That ALONE would fuel the economy.

Redglen on March 25, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Sign at next tea party rally:

I payd fur yur educashun.

steveyahoo on March 25, 2009 at 8:28 AM

If they are going to refinance troubled mortgages, why not troubled student loan debt?

And then where does it stop? Who is going to pay for it? If we are getting questions like this from fiscal “conservatives” then this country is really doomed.

Ann NY on March 25, 2009 at 8:37 AM

The current administration is not concerned with educating, it only has a agenda of making all dependent on government.

workingforpigs on March 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Immigrants can be made to shoulder part of that bill.
sethstorm on March 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM

(1) I’m not an immigrant.
(2) I was arguing that I ought to pay that bill, not your government.
(3) The USA can’t “make” me do a damn thing.

Gaunilon on March 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Lol — this one I could get behind since I don’t have a mortgage for someone else to pay! ;-)

wytammic on March 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM

All the opposition is missing the point. As a result of working hard to get through cololege and make myself more valuable I now pay more in taxes each year than my anual earning potential before I attended. I have repaid the $ value oinvested in me via student loans through taxes many many times over and still carry this loan burden on top of that. I have created new jobs for others, pushed innovative companies to higher profits and contributed so much more in so man ways I feel like I have already repaid the debt many times. The fed should forgive student loans once the increased tax revenues on an indivudla basis exceed the loan value.

GregoryNeilSmith on March 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM

And then where does it stop? Who is going to pay for it? If we are getting questions like this from fiscal “conservatives” then this country is really doomed.
Ann NY on March 25, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Precisely. The answer to “who is going to pay for it” is achingly obvious to me…. those of us who have been responsible through out, no matter their socio-economic status. There will reach a saturation point of just how much they can take from us though…. the federal government, the state and local governments with all their “stimulus” ideas are going to suck us dry!! Which brings me to your last statement – it’s hard to remain a fiscal conservative and not wonder when you might get a piece of this economic pie. Daily we hear of the billions/trillions going to this and that, forgiving mortgages etc, each idea or passed bill seeming to subsidize everyone but those fiscal conservatives, still working hard and hoping that America wakes up before it’s too late! It’s only human nature to feel left out and want to share in the bounty that the One insinuates is “yours for the taking”

A better idea than forgiving debt to this faction or that one, would be a moratorium on income tax period to all who work hard and strive to be responsible. For how long? I don’t know, but I do know a few months of a few extra bucks would be a nice stimulus and I would certainly spend some on items I’ve been ignoring lately. No taxes would give me more money than that spectacular $13!

ladyhawke53 on March 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM

All the opposition is missing the point. As a result of working hard to get through cololege and make myself more valuable I now pay more in taxes each year than my anual earning potential before I attended. I have repaid the $ value oinvested in me via student loans through taxes many many times over and still carry this loan burden on top of that. I have created new jobs for others, pushed innovative companies to higher profits and contributed so much more in so man ways I feel like I have already repaid the debt many times. The fed should forgive student loans once the increased tax revenues on an indivudla basis exceed the loan value.

GregoryNeilSmith on March 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Not missing the point at all. You are demanding that I pay YOUR student loan. My husband and I didn’t take out loans for our college education and have started a company that employs 20 people, we contribute way more than our fair share in taxes and receive little in return and now you think it’s our problem that you have to pay a loan. If the job you have pays you so much (as you claim) then you shouldn’t have a problem paying your own debt that you accrued, think of it as a business loan. We have to pay our business loans back even if we pay personal taxes and business taxes, health insurance, medicare, workman’s comp, etc., etc., etc.

Ann NY on March 25, 2009 at 12:26 PM

ladyhawke53 on March 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I hear you. I am really getting pretty sick of being soaked and getting little to nothing in return. I don’t want much, just my rights protected, so I’m not asking for a slice of the pie, just stop soaking me to death (can you tell I just got a tax bill?).

Ann NY on March 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Yawn… I see here that there are some people who will rationalize. If our government leaders would give us some REAL truth and spell out what their plans are, not just platitudes and vague statements filled with qualifiers confidence would be bolstered. Ummm that is common sense.

If you agreed to pay interest for the money you borrow, do it. If you are unable to live up to your obligations, file bankruptcy. There is a process setup in our society to help citizens out of these crushing situations without ending up in a debtor’s prison.

It sucks when we find ourselves in that sort of situation. Too many people are looking at the short term gain (a few thousand dollars in forgiven debt) and not looking at what they are leaving their children. Ask yourselves this question:

How much will my children have to pay for me to receive this benefit?

Our innocent children are being saddled, soaked, and slapped with this debt they neither asked for nor benefited from. I dare anyone to give a compelling reason why we should force my (yours, and our) children to pay for this.

bigskinny on March 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Ann NY on March 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I sympathize… you pay what seems like a small fortune and they want more!!

ladyhawke53 on March 25, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Our innocent children are being saddled, soaked, and slapped with this debt they neither asked for nor benefited from. I dare anyone to give a compelling reason why we should force my (yours, and our) children to pay for this.

bigskinny on March 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Sadly there isn’t one. We’re being dictated to and overwhelmed by a group of people that have an agenda that is not to the benefit of the majority of people.

ladyhawke53 on March 25, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Texas Dude, you are a disgrace to your state. Keep going to school, then you will NEVER have to pay off your student loans.
HornetSting on March 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Not that I have to explain my self to an ass-clown, but I pay the interest every month on my student loans. So its wrong for people to continue their education? Ok Mr. GED hope that works for ya, dumb ass. And Limey my friend, my BBA/MBA is in business with a specialization in management

Texas Dude on March 25, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Texas Dude on March 25, 2009 at 2:01 PM

I don’t think that christian education is teaching you the lessons one would expect… or you just aren’t getting it. You seem like the type of guy who loves the smell of his own farts. professional student material all the way.

Ampersand on March 25, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Stop the presses!!!! You may want to e-mail Ed or Allah and ask them to remove your post. Good Lord have you lost your marbles? You just posted that got one of those soon to become illegal bonuses. You are so bad and unpatriotic!!!

Soon the brown shirts will be knocking on your door demanding that it be returned. And then you’ll have Congress and the IRS up your butt demanding you pay 95% tax on that bonus.

Sucks to be you man!

/sarc

Knucklehead on March 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM

HAHA Actually It was a re-enlistment bonus I got for re-upping in the Marines. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they taxed that 95% as well.

RightXBrigade on March 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Gaunilon on March 25, 2009 at 11:14 AM

There is the thing called the law, y’know.

sethstorm on March 26, 2009 at 6:08 AM

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