Shocker: Addressing toxic assets instills market confidence

posted at 12:07 pm on March 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The financial crisis occurred because of the collapse of the housing bubble, which left trillions of dollars in assets tied to bad mortgages on the balance sheets of banks, lenders, and financial institutions.  We knew this in September, which is why Congress originally allocated $700 billion to Treasury to start purchasing the mortgage-backed securities and provide a valuation floor in order to stabilize financial institutions.  Instead, Henry Paulson and then Tim Geithner started throwing money at private companies, ignoring the root cause of the problem.  Markets tanked as investors lost confidence in both the Bush and Obama administrations’ ability to comprehend and respond to the real crisis.

Today, Tim Geithner finally rolled out a plan to deal with the underlying problem of toxic assets — and to no one’s surprise, the markets responded with new confidence:

Financial stocks led a market surge Monday after the government explained in greater detail its plans to take bad credit bets off of banks’ hands.

At 11:00 a.m., the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up 300 points, climbing above 7500 as all 30 of its components rose. American Express, Alcoa, Bank of America, Citigroup and J.P. Morgan Chase saw double-digit percentage gains. General Electric and Caterpillar each rose 7%.

The Treasury Department said Monday that a new public-private partnership could purchase $1 trillion in soured assets from banks, which would allow them to renew lending. Taxpayers will stand to reap gains — alongside investors such as hedge funds and private-equity firms — if the investments prove profitable.

Investors have been eager to hear details on the Obama administration’s plans. There was widespread frustration on Wall Street last month that the Treasury didn’t unveil a plan sooner, but investors were comforted by statements from executives at several bellwether banks that their firms have been profitable in recent months. Last week, the market hailed new steps by the Federal Reserve to bolster the credit markets.

The Fed jumped into the toxic-asset market because of the vacuum of leadership at Obama’s Treasury.  Instead of coordinating with Geithner, who has kicked the can down the road more than once on his own plans, the Federal Reserve announced plans to buy up to $750 billion in mortgage-backed securities.  The move helped stabilize the markets last week as investors can finally look for a rational valuation of assets and improvements in capitalization ratios.

Jim Geraghty notices a fly in Treasury’s MBS ointment, though:

Under the Paulson plan that I was a tentative supporter of, the government was supposed to buy these toxic assets. Under this plan, government loans private traders 95 percent of the money to make the purchase. If the assets turn out to be more valuable, the firm makes a profit. If they aren’t, the taxpayer’s left holding the bag.

Under the original TARP plan, taxpayers held both the risk and the reward.  Had we moved forward with that rather than just write blank checks to Treasury, we’d probably already have started to see a rebound in the investment.  Now any rebound will profit the partners rather than the taxpayers.  We’ll benefit indirectly from the financial recovery, but only if there’s a recovery.

Why didn’t we move forward with TARP in the first place?  We can’t blame that on Obama, or at least not all of it.  The Bush administration bailed out on TARP in favor of direct bailouts to companies deemed “too big to fail”.  We wasted three months during the Bush administration, but Obama promised to hit the ground running — in fact, that’s why he insisted on getting Geithner despite his tax-evasion problems.  Instead, Obama and Geithner dithered while the markets withered, preferring to focus on Porkulus and the leftover omnibus spending bill (and its 8000 earmarks) rather than address the central problem.

But why?  I’d guess that the purchase of the government-mandated, Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae MBSs makes it look as though the CRA-inspired government intervention in the lending markets created the financial crisis — which it did.  Without the Freddie/Fannie-fired boom in lending to unqualified borrowers touched off by the Congressionally mandated MBSs, we wouldn’t have had them infecting the financial system in the first place and housing valuation would have remained linked to inflation, as it has for the past 100 years.  I’d say that the Obama administration doesn’t want people to take that lesson from the crisis, because they plan to conduct the same intervention at a later date under a new name.  Otherwise, the real TARP should have been Treasury’s Job One.

And Jim Geraghty finds the proof for that, too:

KING: Mr. Liddy said he is going to break up AIG. Do we need to break up Fannie and Freddie?

ROMER: I think that is certainly going to be an issue going forward. I think it should be part of the overall financial regulatory reform, to figure out what is the best way.

Again, you know, anytime we have now got taxpayer money on the line, what we have an obligation to do is do it in a way that protects the American taxpayer. What is going to be the way that gets these institutions safe, gets them doing what we need them to do, which is lend like crazy, and just basically functioning again for the economy.

In other words, we’ve learned nothing from this collapse.  I wonder if we’ll learn anything from the one that follows.

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I don’t think it is market confidence, as much as it is ‘the taxpayer will be forced to buy up the crap’.

Vashta.Nerada on March 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Go figure!

Christian Conservative on March 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Ed — free market stuff is new math to these folks.

blatantblue on March 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM

And John McCain issues tough sounding admonition to leave Timmie alone in 5,4,3,2,….

AubieJon on March 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM

A risk-free investment, because the taxpayers assume the risk. What investor wouldn’t go for that – unless he stops to think that he’s the taxpayer, and any profits may come back in inflated dollars, anyway.

Wethal on March 23, 2009 at 12:13 PM

BTW, we haven’t seen the commercial real estate crash, or the credit card crash yet, so despite the trolls, we must still be in a ‘bush depression’./

Vashta.Nerada on March 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM

i for one enjoy these posts because i learn something.

kelley in virginia on March 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM

WTF

So I just bought 3,000,000 homes (well, a brick each maybe)?
I don’t want a brick. I have bricks. Plenty of bricks.

Limerick on March 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM

While Romer fails to explain that certain lending needs to be curtailed…with the drop in home prices, many more potential lenders get thrown into the “qualified buyer” category. Calculations are remade given the change in the market, and while theres math to hash out and the picture may not be as rosy as im painting it…it does stand to reason that the kind of safe lending fannie and freddie should have been making can and should happen more often.

ernesto on March 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Um, where does Treasury get this money?

Congress did not give it to them… they can’t just print it…

Are they using Bond money (DEBT) to do questionable investments?

so, we pay on the front, buying bad assets, then pay for them by adding to our already huge Interest payments on the National Debt?

Romeo13 on March 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I think it’s a huge mistake for conservatives to link the market to Obama. It’s not about the state of the market. It’s about the state of liberty.

The two are sometimes intertwined… but really. One matters far more than the other and ultimately leads to more wealth.

beatcanvas on March 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Just remember the devil is in the details. When the banks find out how many strings are attached to that money (e.g., no bonuses, no pay for employees over $250k per year, must make more bad loans, etc.), the only banks who will take the money are the ones teetering on the verge of insolvency. If that money isn’t enough, there won’t be any solvent banks who will be willing to buy them up, because those banks won’t want to have to accept all the TARP strings.

This will not end well, rest assured.

Outlander on March 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM

And to think it only took two or three nine trillion in wasted money for this administration to address the REAL problem.

Thanks again 52% idiots.

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Under the PPIF, participating firms will identiy the assets, usually as a pool of loans, which will be auctioned off to the highest bidder. The government will determine how much funding is necesssary to enable the transaction, with leverage not ro exceed a 6-to-1 debt-to-equity ratio.

Yeah, that’s going to work real well….

Um, where does Treasury get this money?

Congress did not give it to them… they can’t just print it…

Are they using Bond money (DEBT) to do questionable investments?

so, we pay on the front, buying bad assets, then pay for them by adding to our already huge Interest payments on the National Debt?

Romeo13 on March 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Pretty much.

Vashta.Nerada on March 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM

And Geithner enjoys job security for one more day………

sherry on March 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Short-term: not a bad idea. But the problem is (1) we waited too long, and (2) this is a long-term nightmare.

alflauren on March 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Financial stocks led a market surge Monday after the government explained in greater detail its plans to take bad credit bets off of banks’ hands

The day ain’t over yet.

Knucklehead on March 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Taxpayers will stand to reap gains —

Huh? Any profit the government generates will never go back to the taxpayer. It just goes into the general coffers for midnight basketball. And midnight basketball players don’t pay taxes.

keep the change on March 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Outlander on March 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Nope, I can tell you how this works…

You create a NEW company. Banks then “loan” that company money (the 3-5% needed, rest comes from the Gov).

The new company buys the asset, but this sets a firewall between the Bank and the bad assets. Also, that way the Bank will not have these “strings”…

This is really about the Government buying 1 Trillion dollars but wanting to avoid the Socialism tag.

And, the one thing I have not heard explained…. where is this money coming from? Congress did not appropriate it. Treasury can’t just print it (thats the Fed Res Bank)… is it pure Debt and thus from Bonds? ie… are we going to buy bad investments on the Taxpayers Credit card? (so we have to pay interest on this money?).

Romeo13 on March 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM

BTW, we haven’t seen the commercial real estate crash, or the credit card crash yet, so despite the trolls, we must still be in a ‘bush depression’./
Vashta.Nerada on March 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM

The credit card issuers should be OK because of the 2005 reform of the Bankruptcy Code. What you’re seeing there are huge increases in fees on all customers to offset any additional losses by defaulted accounts.

There has been a commercial real estate crash. It’s just not widely reported. In my city, every single new major commercial real estate project has been scuttled. (Of course, they all required huge government subsidies to get done, so what’s that telling you about the true underlying demand?) Banks are foreclosing on home and subdivision builders and investors left and right and realizing huge impairments to their collateral.

Outlander on March 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Intriguing Obama Doubts From The CNN Green Room

After my Reliable Sources appearance on CNN this weekend, I returned to the green room and heard some fascinating tidbits and assessments. Because I was chatting with folks in casual manner, I won’t attribute their remarks to them by name.

Another longtime Washington veteran observed that while he didn’t think Tim Geithner would be leaving the position of Treasury Secretary anytime soon, he did notice Christina Romer, the chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, was on CNN earlier in the day, appeared on Meet the Press last week, and suddenly seemed to be taking a much higher profile in the administration’s media strategy. In other words, Tim Geithner might still have his job, but his duties may involve less and less of a public role.

This morning, Geithner is giving a pen-and-paper-only briefing, while Romer appeared on all the morning shows and CNN. Hmmm…

More from Geraghty. Timmy himself is becoming a toxic asset.

Wethal on March 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Uh huh.
See how long that lasts. A drowning man clutches a straw.

We’re broke X10 if all of Berries plots go through.

Itchee Dryback on March 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I think it’s a huge mistake for conservatives to link the market to Obama. It’s not about the state of the market. It’s about the state of liberty.

beatcanvas on March 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Agreed. The market seems to look six months to one year ahead. It does not look 2+ years ahead. While it is tempting to get back in the market, I cannot shake my concerns with the pension and entitlement bombs that are coming. I do not see a road to prosperity when neither party has the cojones to cut spending and restrain entitlements.

WashJeff on March 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Like your tea parties, lets show patriotism and support our great President.

Those who do not will be called trolls.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:25 PM

So, did Geithener say what kinds of strings would be attached to the private companies?

myrenovations on March 23, 2009 at 12:25 PM

“…lend like crazy…”

Hello! Hello! Hello! Is ANYONE in Washington awake? Hello! Are you folks in DC planning on hoisting a BIG banner saying “That was fun, let’s to it again. Only this time, let’s try harder to really DESTROY the economy!”

GarandFan on March 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Whew, problem solved! And now we can get Fannie and Freddie lending again!

Here is my baseline for any future national candidate: repeal the Porkulus and completely privatize Fannie and Freddie.

PattyJ on March 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Mission Accomplished 3/23/09/.

For the trolls that wanted him to fail.

You lose again.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM

We’ll talk when the DOW hit 12,000.

Tommy_G on March 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Mission Accomplished 3/23/09/.

For the trolls that wanted him to fail.

You lose again.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM

What was accomplished?

Chuck Schick on March 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM

The day ain’t over yet.

Knucklehead on March 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM

+1

And neither are the plans of this administration of morons. While Obama has previously stated that he will not use the daily stock market as a guage for policy decisions, you can bet even a slight rise in the markets will give these democrats another excuse to keep spending us into ruin.

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM

We’ll talk when the DOW hit 12,000.

Tommy_G on March 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM

w/ all the inflation coming, that may just happen

jp on March 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

What does a trillion dollars look like?

carbon_footprint on March 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Pay attention to the President’s words on clean energy.

He will tell you where to invest.

Buy,buy,buy.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Mission Accomplished 3/23/09/.

For the trolls that wanted him to fail.

You lose again.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM

What was accomplished?

National bankruptcy.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Pay attention to the President’s words on clean energy.

He will tell you where to invest.

Buy,buy,buy.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Do you listen to the burning bush much?

Limerick on March 23, 2009 at 12:34 PM

BTW, we haven’t seen the commercial real estate crash, or the credit card crash yet, so despite the trolls, we must still be in a ‘bush depression’./

Vashta.Nerada on March 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM

We had a commercial real estate crash last year.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2009 at 12:35 PM

And neither are the plans of this administration of morons. While Obama has previously stated that he will not use the daily stock market as a guage for policy decisions, you can bet even a slight rise in the markets will give these democrats another excuse to keep spending us into ruin.

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Like The Ballerina said, “A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.”

TXUS on March 23, 2009 at 12:35 PM

With all this negativity about PPIP, what would you do? Krugman wants to nationalize the banks, which I’m sure doesn’t fly well over here. Bush’s TARP wasn’t popular here either. So let’s say you’re Obama–what would you do?

jonknee on March 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM

The reason that Paulson ended up NOT buying the toxic assets was because of pricing. He never came up with a pricing mechanism. The latest plan by Geithner again has the same problem: PRICE. So I see no improvements.

Chekote on March 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Mission Accomplished 3/23/09/.

For the trolls that wanted him to fail.

You lose again.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Allah, Ed, Michelle,

Seeing as how the “bundling of assets” is the new age craze for hiding or distorting the truth & assets, can you folks see it in your hearts to bundle getalife’s comments and release them at the end of the day? This way every thread isn’t filled with tripe like “Boooosh”, unsubstantiated “yeah buts”, and other moronic one liners that offer nothing to the conversation or debate. While I’m all for freedom of speech, allowing one misanthropist to waste bandwidth with ad hominem and mostly child-like responses to almost every post is not only annoying, it’s insulting to many here who use their valuable time contributing solid information and opinions based on events determined by evidence at hand. If it is Hot Air’s policy to allow continual Kos-like commentary, (unlike Tom Shipley, Rywall, Ernesto, DeathtomediaHacks, and yes even obtuse BennyS), that only distorts and disrupts interesting debate and conversation, then, (I believe), you folks will see a diminishing contribution by some very talented and informative commenter’s, (who actually contribute to the conversation), that will go elsewhere for their daily dose of common sense dialogue where an exchange of ideas and opinions are more constructive.

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Pay attention to the President’s words on clean energy.

He will tell you where to invest.

Buy,buy,buy.

getalife

He will TELL me where to invest??? BTW why would I invest in a company that can not function when the government stops buying from it???

Looking at obamas actions so far, my ideas are more like buying assest that are not affected by hyper-inflation.

Go ahead and buy, sucker. It cost 1 trillion just to add 300 points to the market.

1 trillion dollars nobody has.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Mission Accomplished 3/23/09/.

For the trolls that wanted him to fail.

You lose again.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Uh, the Fed did this. As Ed notes:

The Fed jumped into the toxic-asset market because of the vacuum of leadership at Obama’s Treasury. Instead of coordinating with Geithner, who has kicked the can down the road more than once on his own plans, the Federal Reserve announced plans to buy up to $750 billion in mortgage-backed securities.

Del Dolemonte on March 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM

We lost so many months because the ever so wonderfully wise Gordon Brown stepped in to make sure America nationalize its banks. Obama has committed a foreign policy gaffe treating Brown disgracefully but Brown deserved it. Now we are back to square one and doing what we were supposed to do three months ago.

promachus on March 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM

So let’s say you’re Obama–what would you do?

Resign and move to france.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM

The reason that Paulson ended up NOT buying the toxic assets was because of pricing. He never came up with a pricing mechanism. The latest plan by Geithner again has the same problem: PRICE. So I see no improvements.
Chekote on March 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Exactly. No one will buy these toxic assets for more than they are willing to pay. This was discussed on Fox and Friends this morning.

kingsjester on March 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Current plan (subject to expiration based on political expedience) the government is to purchase 95% of the bad debt.

For the markets, what is not to like?

For the taxpayer . . . not so much.

Helicopter Ben is taking little Timmy’s supersized poop burger and serving it to the Chi Coms.

Angry Dumbo on March 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM

+1

TXUS on March 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Extremely well expressed. That’s the way a bunch of us are felling.

kingsjester on March 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM

“Irrational exuberance” – naw, it can’t be that. We’ve learned our lesson. /s

Peri Winkle on March 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Felling=feeling
oops.

kingsjester on March 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Bailouts and nationalization of industry, socialized health care, cap-and-trade, confiscatory taxation, social security and entitlement bombs — Destroying the currency and ending America as we know it.

petefrt on March 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Let me see if I have this straight……….Barney Frank and Company forces banks to give mortgage money to deadbeats via legislation for Freddie and Fannie………the banks do it and in the process of doing it, make zillions. Then the deadbeats don’t pay……..duh……Freddie and Fannie go bust………the banks go bust……….and then the same Congress that caused the whole mess take our money to make the banks and Freddie and Fannie richer still…….does that just about cover it?

Cinday Blackburn on March 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM

well then, the price people are willing to pay for these toxic assets is their “price”. and i bet it ain’t gonna be much. somewhere, somehow, somebody is losing a helluva lot of money. me thinks it is the taxpayer.

kelley in virginia on March 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM

At some point today or tomorrow, the folks acting happy will realize just how much they’ve sold to Obambi. That’s when that smile will turn upside down and the jars of Vaseline come out.

AubieJon on March 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM

now the toxic assets will go to a company owned by the financial institution but not subject to bailout constrictions, right? so that is the company where you want to work because you can get your bonus & the corporate entity might actually try to make money.

kelley in virginia on March 23, 2009 at 12:45 PM

The problem with “fixes” like this is the false bump they give the markets. People like getalife then assume that this actualy indicates an actual recovery. When in fact it simply makes the unavoidable crash worse, and hopefully on the next presidents watch. Thats exactly what bush tried to do, with 700 billion. And now obama is trying to do the same thing with goodness knows how many trillion.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 12:45 PM

“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” (Woodrow Wilson in 1916)

See any parallels? The Federal Reserve and the Tresury have far too much uncontrolled power by few too many.

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:45 PM

So Obama/Geitner inherited this idea from the Bush administration?

But to sum it all up: Garbage in, garbage out.

albill on March 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM

As Thomas argues in “Meltdown”, the Federal Reserve is at the core of our troubles. Once again, they step in and wipe out yet another vestige of the free market.

We have not had capitalism for a long while. The Fed is far too powerful and disruptive. Business today is like trying to build sand castles on a trampoline.

Peri Winkle on March 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM

bambi is speaking on clean energy tomorrow. that should send the markets down as everyone knows that is nothing but an economy destroying, tax hiking plan.

so that means tomorrow night he will speak about timmy’s great plan or socialized medicine. or when he will resign.

kelley in virginia on March 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Hey, buying up make-believe assets with make-believe money–what could be wrong with that?

DigginDeep on March 23, 2009 at 12:51 PM

This plan will not work. 
Explain to me how it is possible to see a “rebound” from this investment? The investment itself is largely real estate in economically moribound areas, real estate in areas that had staggering overcapacity, or so called liar loans.

Only massive fraud can create a demand (and therefore value) for these “toxic assets”.     

Mike Honcho on March 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM

albill on March 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Bush inherited the CRA and Fannie/Freddie mess from Clinton. And, of course, CRA originated with Carter. Bush & Obama also inherited the Iranian mess from Carter, too. Carter, the gift that keeps on giving….it to us.

Wethal on March 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM

We’ll talk when the DOW hit 12,000.

Tommy_G on March 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM

That’ll happen soon!

Osama Obama’s next step to “restore the economy” will be to pass a law adding two zeroes to the Dow number.

MrScribbler on March 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM

+ One Trillion. I’m shooting for the moon.

Knucklehead on March 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Does anyone know why Bush did not tell the banking regulators to stop forcing banks to make loans per the CRA? Did Clinton put more teeth into CRA via executive orders or did congress pass some law circa 1998 that put this teeth into the CRA?

WashJeff on March 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM

What a great day to celebrate like your tea parties to show patriotism.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I wonder when Frank, Dodd and Geithner are going to a resort to figure out how to screw up the rest of the economy. These idiots should be removed from any power they may have in the finance arena.

workingforpigs on March 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Pay attention to the President’s words on clean energy.

He will tell you where to invest.

Buy,buy,buy.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Bye, bye, bye.

flipflop on March 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM

getalife.

Serious question here. Is 1 trillion dollars in debt worth 300 points added to the dow?

Thanks.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM

What a great day to celebrate like your tea parties to show patriotism.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM

That Wall Street is going to make money on assets 93% paid for by taxpayers?

Chuck Schick on March 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM

More from Geraghty. Timmy himself is becoming a toxic asset.
Wethal on March 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Christina Romer is a very nice lady and an excellent economics professor, but she isn’t cut out for being in the public eye. Few professors are. She doesn’t do the sound bite thing and she’s very susceptible to being driven off message. Again, I mean no offense — she’s an academic, not a politician.

Outlander on March 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM

…housing valuation would have remained linked to inflation…

Er, what? Unless you mean something other than what I think you mean, I don’t believe real estate prices have ever moved in lock-stop with inflation.

flipflop on March 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Sorry folks.

No arguments from me today.

It is a day to celebrate.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM

That Wall Street is going to make money on assets 93% paid for by taxpayers?

Nobody is going to make money on these assets. Thats why they are called toxic. They will be sold and written off. 1 trillion dollars will disappear.

I still don’t know why getalife is happy about that.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Bye, bye, bye.
flipflop on March 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM

He’s too stupid to understand.

Bishop on March 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I still don’t know why getalife is happy about that.
sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM

He’s too stupid to understand.

Bishop on March 23, 2009 at 1:05 PM

It is a day to celebrate.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Wall Street is celebrating.

Read the plan and you’ll know why.

Chuck Schick on March 23, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I don’t think it is market confidence, as much as it is ‘the taxpayer will be forced to buy up the crap’.

I think wheneever the markets go down, it’s basically a referendum on Obama. When they go up, it’s whatever else.

radiofreevillage on March 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I think wheneever the markets go down, it’s basically a referendum on Obama. When they go up, it’s whatever else.
radiofreevillage on March 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM

You’re missing Bush being POTUS, aren’t you, when every job lost, every soldier killed, every point drop in the market was directly linked to Dubya.

Not so fun now that the dems control everything, is it, as you and Super Dunce Ogabe are discovering.

Bishop on March 23, 2009 at 1:08 PM

bundle getalife’s comments and release them at the end of the day? This way every thread isn’t filled with tripe….

Rovin on March 23, 2009 at 12:37 PM

+1

It is one thing to debate a “troll” who at least musters up some sort of argument backed by something approaching facts. The random talking points generator? Not so much.

A Balrog of Morgoth on March 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM

The goal is to be the world leading exporter of renewable clean energy.

Invest wisely.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM

You’re missing Bush being POTUS, aren’t you, when every job lost, every soldier killed, every point drop in the market was directly linked to Dubya.

I supported McCain, you deranged idiot.

radiofreevillage on March 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM

The goal is to be the world leading exporter of renewable clean energy.

Invest wisely.

getalife

I am, long term it is anything but the stock market. You do know that it will take longer to get this “clean energy” up and running rather than just drilling right?

Do you honestly believe that solar panels can run america? Or wind turbines?

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM

The problem I have with this plan is that it makes toxic assets even more toxic in the long run.

The massive amount it adds to the debt ($1 trillion dollars) makes it more likely that there will be higher interest rates. Banks will have to charge more for mortgages while making them harder to obtain. Toxic assets (homes in default) then become less attractive to home buyers, thereby becoming more toxic.

Also, it artificially keeps home prices at an inflated level in the short run. It slows the rate of foreclosures which was bringing new home buyers into the market, which would have put a natural floor on home prices. New home buyers were the key to making toxic assets attractive assets.

And of course with the private sector having to compete with a public sector that is borrowing so heavily, paying higher interest for the loans they do get, not to mention the higher taxes they will soon have to pay, they will hire less. One can not expect consumers to buy toxic assets if they are unemployed.

Better to allow the housing bubble to die a natural death than to attempt to resurrect it with another $1 trillion dollars of debt

DarkKnight3565 on March 23, 2009 at 1:16 PM

The goal is to be the world leading exporter of renewable clean energy.

Invest wisely.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM

‘cuse me, Dummy, but how does one export clean energy? What, are we gonna charge alot of batteries and ship them out?

My lawd, this is like trying to teach a two year old to stop pooping in his pants.

A Balrog of Morgoth on March 23, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Cinday Blackburn on March 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Close, you just missed the AIG angle..

See, AIG created “insurance” on these investments, so if they lost money, AIG would have to pay off.

So, when the investments went South, the Taxpayer had to put money into AIG, so that it would not go under, and would have the money to pay off that “insurance”.

Key is that these investments lost between 25 and 40% of their “value”, and in the end, through about 4 different programs, the Taxpayer is on the hook for them.

Romeo13 on March 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Wall Street is celebrating.

Read the plan and you’ll know why.

Chuck Schick on March 23, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Yep, Wall Street Capitalists just got rewarded with 1 TRILLION dollars of taxpayer liability.

Taxpayer pays 95% of the cost of this toxis debt…

Heck, if the Gov came in and took all my debt, I’d be happy to.

Romeo13 on March 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I’d like to celebrate either 1) you learn proper grammer or 2) you use a better translation software. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

ladyingray on March 23, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I’m breathing. Finally, we’re dealing with the bad portfolios.

I’m still going to assume that the flood of money to these companies was, in fact, necessary to keep them afloat until this plan could be established. Otherwise, I am guessing that the situation was as dire as presented and we would have seen a collapse of the entire banking system to the degree that it would have caused a massive panic.

For me? This has been plenty scary.

AnninCA on March 23, 2009 at 1:27 PM

A better plan to rid the market of toxic assets is to expand the consumer base that could buy these assets from the banks.

One does that by increasing employment. The unemployed do not buy houses, nor do they long pay their mortgages.

One also works to reduce the deficit, which will push interest rates down and make credit easier to obtain.

One should remove all “incentives” or “pressures” on banks to lend. This is how we got in this mess in the first place. Let banks lend only to those they deem credit-worthy.

DarkKnight3565 on March 23, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I wish they had taken this more seriously sooner. After all, it’s not like it’s a f**king game, right Jon Stewart?

R.J. MacReady on March 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Current plan (subject to expiration based on political expedience) the government is to purchase 95% of the bad debt.

For the markets, what is not to like?

For the taxpayer . . . not so much.

Helicopter Ben is taking little Timmy’s supersized poop burger and serving it to the Chi Coms.

Angry Dumbo on March 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Admittedly, I saw the DOW go up and was thinking P.BO must have done something right.
But, if this boils down to doing something that effectively just boosts the market, it is no longer a good indicator.

Count to 10 on March 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM

No arguments from me today.

It is a day to celebrate.

getalife on March 23, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Hopefully the rudderlessness ended today, yes.

I think the original TARP idea (balance sheet relief) would have worked before Bush’s Treasury people turned it into a joke and before we spent 6 months dithering over it (both Administrations, I hasten to add). Obama is really going to have to control Congress’ behavior towards the private parties. I really wish him luck.

I’m hopeful, but I still want to make sure this is a good deal for taxpayers.

DrSteve on March 23, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Under this plan, government loans private traders 95 percent of the money to make the purchase. If the assets turn out to be more valuable, the firm makes a profit. If they aren’t, the taxpayer’s left holding the bag.

An additional complication, as happened in the housing market, is that with so little “skin in the game” the private traders can afford to push the prices up on toxic securities, believing they’re underpriced and therefore can only go up. A mere 5% appreciation will double the 5% private money invested. Just as the housing bubble was partially inflated by people putting little down in hope of double-digit market increases, toxic assets will be priced by the people with the most to gain but little to lose. When that bubble pops, the losses will primarily go to the taxpayers.

shuzilla on March 23, 2009 at 1:33 PM

I am, long term it is anything but the stock market. You do know that it will take longer to get this “clean energy” up and running rather than just drilling right?

Do you honestly believe that solar panels can run america? Or wind turbines?

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I don’t think we have any theoretically viable options except nuclear. The rest of it is just pipe dreams, unless someone comes up with a much more efficient way of making solar energy collectors.
The reality is that we will be using fossil fuels, and, only as it becomes more and more expensive to get them out of the ground will evolve to other things via the market.

Count to 10 on March 23, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Or, stated even simpler, a person will pay less for an investment if he stands to loose 100% of the value of that investment than if he only stands to lose 5% of the value and someone else loses the rest. These assets will be overpriced out of the gate.

shuzilla on March 23, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Ed, I read here and see that many people realize that the basic problems aren’t being addressed. Bush wouldn’t do it and Obama isn’t doing it. People with honest doubts about Wall St. see rejoicing in the “market” and wonder what they are thinking. A snap judgment is that they don’t care about anything but short-term numbers at the expense of the nation’s future. What are the whiz-kids of finance thinking?

I don’t want the government running things any more than most people here, but I can see why people get angry and look to it.

shuzilla, OK that’s plausible to me. What you are saying is that it’s more gambling. Heaven help us.

Feedie on March 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM

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