Retailers offer compromise on Card Check

posted at 11:10 am on March 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Employee Free Choice Act, known better as Card Check, has become moribund in the Senate, losing support from key Democrats while facing unanimous opposition from Republicans.  The business community has presented a united front against Card Check, warning of severe economic consequences if enacted, at least until now.  Amanda Carpenter at the Washington Times reports that three national retailers have broken the front, offering a compromise on Card Check that could squeeze votes from reluctant Democrats.

This might seem like bad news for Card Check opponents, but a closer look at the compromise makes it look more like bad news for its advocates:

The three companies’ compromise plan was cobbled together, insiders say, because none of them want their companies to be broadly unionized and also oppose the union’s card check bill.

Costco is the only one of the three companies to have any major union involvement — it deals with the Teamsters for its transportation needs.

At the same time, the three companies fear that the Democratic-controlled Congress is well on its way to giving the unions what they want and hope to derail the card check bill.

Their compromise would reject the card check method of voting and keep secret-ballot voting as it is now practiced in most instances. The compromise would also eliminate the union-backed provision that would force the settlement of certification disputes through mandatory arbitration.

To assuage the unions, the plan would for the first time permit union organizers to press their cases at work sites and would also prevent long delays before a union certification vote must be held.

The compromise thus restores the secret ballot requirement for union organizing, and it eliminates the equally offensive arbitration provisions that would allow government to impose its own idea of the management-labor relationship.  What’s left?  It forces businesses to allow union-organizing elections in a shorter period of time, and to give unions access to the workplace to organize, two provisions that would easily pass on their own in this session of Congress, and probably would get several Republican votes in both chambers.

It’s not great, but it’s not horrid, either.  In truth, it gives the unions little that they don’t already have, and it strips them of two of their cherished prizes.  It also gives politicians on Capitol Hill a way to throw a bone to union rank and file without offering a complete game-changer.  If it’s incrementalism, it’s an increment of the smallest variety possible.

A few weeks ago, I predicted that Congress would reach a compromise precisely along these lines.  With this proposal floating now, it will either force the Senate (where the real battle will be fought) to accept this compromise, or it will split the pro-Card Check forces enough to stall any movement on the legislation, as the moderates now have a reason to withhold support for the much more radical version.  Businesses could live with this result, and hope that any abuses can be corrected by a more business-friendly Congress down the road.  It’s still a bad bill, but the alternative is much worse.

Update: People in the comments seem to think that “It’s still a bad bill” is somehow an endorsement of it.  I’d prefer that they pass nothing at all, and I hope that’s what happens.  I’m not cheering for its passage. I’m telling you that when you have 59 Democrats in the Senate and a Democratic President, you’re going to get pro-union legislation — and this is the least bad thing you’re going to see. If we can limit it to this, we’ll be lucky.

Update II: Jennifer Rubin calls this one exactly correct:

Even odder is the reaction of some anti-card check lobbying forces which seemed intent on ignoring what the companies are actually proposing. You’d think they’d be throwing a party when Lanny Davis is reduced to hawking a grab bag of half-measures, because not even big Democratic donor CEO’s can bring themselves to support card check.

So what does all this really mean? Most people who can count votes in Congress have figured out that EFCA is going nowhere — at least for the foreseeable future. So the scramble begins for pro-Big Labor operatives and their allies to find ways of retreating and declaring victory in the face of defeat. But make no mistake:  the central planks of EFCA — doing away with the secret ballot and mandatory arbitration – are withering on the legislative vine, no matter what the spinners say.

This is all about being able to declare victory from defeat, and it’s the best they’re going to get, if they can even get that much.

Previous posts on Card Check:


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

It’s still a bad bill, but the alternative is much worse.

Which will be Arlen Specter’s rationale for voting for it.

Wethal on March 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM

If it’s incrementalism, it’s an increment of the smallest variety possible.

But it’s still an increment, and the thugs just keep nibbling away even while we placate them.

I told my small cadre of people: If you feel you need to be union, then I close the doors and become a one-man shop.

Bishop on March 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM

No. Congress is a bunch of buffoons. Keep out of business.

Wade on March 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Unions are no longer champions of the blue collar workers. They are the new Fascists. Unions exist now for the purpose of raw political power. Look what Unions did for the Steel Industry, Detroit, the Railroads, the Airlines and other fading pieces of what used to be part of a strong America.

Unions are for the largest part the reason why we don’t make anything in this Country anymore. Between Unions and rabid Environmentalists, America is not producing anything but consuming beyond its means.

old trooper2 on March 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM

It stinks and there should no compromise whatever…… get a clue.. you can’t negotiate or never negotiate with liberals and Marxists, ever.

MNDavenotPC on March 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Starbucks, Whole Foods Market and Costco have lost my business.

Nahanni on March 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM

A bad deal with the devil (figuratively, of course, for you God-averse)

Christian Conservative on March 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM

old trooper2 on March 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM

+100

I’m a union member, mostly because my union only allows members to get out during a two-week period once a year, and I always manage to miss the deadline. However, the officers of our local are totally obsessed with the passage of Card Check. I would guess that this stems from the lack of new member applications that our local receives – and that, in turn, stems from the lack of genuine representation and concern shown by these same officials toward the members we do have. A more liberal, borderline militant bunch of people I have NEVER met. The real kicker? The copy of a Noam Chomsky book on the president’s desk. I have marked the “get out” date on my calendar in red ink this year. And I’m a steward…

uncivilized on March 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM

The Trade Union Movement should be classified as a terrorist organization – worldwide!

OldEnglish on March 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM

old trooper2 on March 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM

QFT…. and isn’t it funny how quickly the media squelched any talk that blamed the unions for the destruction of Detroit? Also funny how the media is spending days and days going on about $150M in bonuses to the “rich people” while Congress/Geithner/Obama and the bailed out companies are shoveling BILLIONS around and out of the country.

Card check, as written, would destroy Wal-Mart and dozens of other national retailers.

popularpeoplesfront on March 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM

If these companies spent a little time and cash on educating the public with a massive ad campaign rather than these compromises, they would have to deal with any of it.

I’m tired of compromising with these radical ideas only to come to some place just left of center.

It moves the country farther left everytime as we have seen over the last 30 years..

The left never say no, and the more we play the game, the more they play the game until they win…I mean… look what the hell is in the White House!

katy on March 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM

wouldn’t have to deal with it

katy on March 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Guarantees of Card Check:

-Contribute to the increase of unemployed individuals

-Contribute to the decrease of employer offered benefits

-Contribute to inflationary priced goods and services

-Bring the wheels of industry to a halt

ericdijon on March 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM

As long as organizing is limited to breaks, is not compulsary, and never done on the clock, fine. My feeling is that employees should be free to do whatever they want (within reason) during breaks. Unions should not require employees to do things during breaks, and employers should not restrict activities during breaks except to those things which would extend to bad workmanship and safety off-break (such as drinking or drug use).

unclesmrgol on March 22, 2009 at 11:47 AM

And I’m a steward…

uncivilized on March 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM

My dad was a union steward too. He said that stewards were immune from firing, no matter how bad their job performance.

He was an excellent prototype machinist, but he sure had some stories about his fellow stewards.

unclesmrgol on March 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Starbucks, Whole Foods Market and Costco have lost my business.

Nahanni on March 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM

They’ve never had my business in the past, and this assures that they certainly won’t in the future.

ladyingray on March 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Death by a thousand cuts…any compromise with unions will always favor them eventually. Just ask GM…

Wyznowski on March 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Resist this unneeded intrusion at all costs. Unionism is dying because it doesn’t work – changing the rules won’t alter that fact.

savvydude on March 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I’d rather see them repeal the laws that impose and enforce unionization.

Count to 10 on March 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Several Toledo, Ohio, unions are running radio ads linking the AIG bonuses with the need for Card Check [The Employee Free Choice Act]…stating that only with passage of the Employee Free Choice Act can AIG and other “rich” companies be made to pay for their “stealing” millions from union workers.

A bunch of hooey? Sure it is. But, then again, those who support “card check” are either neck deep in the neo-Marxist movement and have much to gain, or are too stupid to understand the most basic realities of our economy. And, stupidity is what got us the “present” President in the White House.

Card Check is both a means to legalize thugs forcing unions on non-union workers and on non-union business, and as a means to enrich union leadership and re-stock the coffers of unions across America which spent several hundred million dollars in 2008 to elect Democrat candidates from local mayors, electing Deomocrat members of Congress and electing Obama as President.

Any business that even for a moment thinks that letting a little card check move forward is slitting their own throats. Any business/employer that supports even a little card check will lose all of my business.

coldwarrior on March 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM

It’s not great, but it’s not horrid, either.

Yes it is horrid. Stalin said they wouldn’t defeat us in a great war, that we would slowly defeat ourselves until we were them without even relizing it.

A business should be able to determine what kind of activity goes on inside it’s walls, union, political anything. Allowing the unions in is just incrementalism. They won’t need the card check, they will bully the employees and poison the atmosphere.

Thanks. More mushy, moderate, appeasing psuedo intellectualism.

peacenprosperity on March 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Starbucks, Whole Foods Market and Costco have lost my business.

Nahanni on March 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Those are the three? I could be wrong about Costco, but aren’t they all notoriously Yuppie?

Count to 10 on March 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I’m not a big fan of unions myself, having been in one until a couple of years ago (FREE AT LAST!). Yet I will say that at the very least secret ballots are the way to go if this proposal moves forward. Heck, that’s a staple in American democracy.

JohnAGJ on March 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Is it just me or does it seem that areas of the country that have unions are always the worst off? Free work states always seem to do so much better.

Guardian on March 22, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Say, if they push card check through, can someone tag on an amendment that businesses can do the same thing back? De-unionize if they get half the workforce to sign cards?

Count to 10 on March 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM

The SEIU is nothing but a “RoastBeefer” union…

RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I’m not a big fan of unions myself, having been in one until a couple of years ago (FREE AT LAST!). Yet I will say that at the very least secret ballots are the way to go if this proposal moves forward. Heck, that’s a staple in American democracy.

JohnAGJ on March 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Sure, but we are talking about democratically voting on extortion and price fixing.

Count to 10 on March 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM

The compromise

Sorry Ed, “The compromise” is just another example of conservatives giving a little slice of their bologna and believing that it doesn’t mean anything because we still have a whole bunch left.

Really, is the fact that these shit bags want to take all our rights away mitigated by this “compromise”? It’s time to take a stand and refuse to give the liberals one thin slice of our damn bologna! They are not entitled to it and the ONLY way they can get it is for us to “compromise” it away.

“Wimps on the right….”

csdeven on March 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Death by a thousand cuts…any compromise with unions will always favor them eventually. Just ask GM…

Wyznowski on March 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Damn skippy! Anyone have any idea WHY Ed has bought into this crap?

csdeven on March 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Starbucks, Whole Foods Market and Costco have lost my business.
Nahanni on March 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I’m sure they’re shaking in their boots over that threat!

Just look at those three names and think about who the vast majority of their customers are.

logis on March 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Card check, as written, would destroy Wal-Mart and dozens of other national retailers.

popularpeoplesfront on March 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Second look at Card Check…

/sarc (I think)

mrsmwp on March 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

http://www.americanpatrol.com/RECONQUISTA/NUNEZ-FABIAN/UnionCdGreenCd000800Nunez.html

Check out why the unions no longer reprsent American workers. Even Cesar Chavez wanted our immigration laws enforced back in the 60′s. Funny how RoastBeefers like Hilda Solis just can’t seem to remember that!!!!!

RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

I am a little confused about the unions claims of employer intimidation. A million years ago I worked for a small trucking company that the union went after. The union was allowed to hold meetings with the employees on the employer’s property but the employer was barred from doing the same. Maybe those rules have changed but then the advantage seemed to be all on the union side. Also, every time a grocery store went union in Virginia, it went belly up. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Cindy Munford on March 22, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Like feeding the crocodile in hopes he will eat you last.

johnsteele on March 22, 2009 at 12:23 PM

New GOP slogan..

JUST SAY NO

Until we learn to say NO, we can’t say maybe, partly, halfway, a little, kinda…
Until we understand where we stand… we can’t shift in any direction.

When you lose your way, the best thing to do is remember where you started.

JUST SAY NO!!!!!!!!!!

Actually this whole Obama nightmare is causing this very thing to happen..

Enough is enough!

katy on March 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM

This is an example of why conservatism/common sense keeps losing. Weak sisters get wobbly just as the tide is turning.

Card check was falling out of favor as more people realized what a drastic measure it is. Instead maverick retailers just want to get along. Earlier posters made good points about the thug unions never giving up until they have absolute power.

Example after example of these compromises exist. The assault weapons bill, family leave act, etc. The govt. shutdown by the repubs. under Clinton is another example. The GOP was beginning to win that fight vs. Clinton and then they cave in—–looking foolish and like losers.

arnold ziffel on March 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM

This is exactly what Glenn Beck said they would do. They would back away from Card Check and come up with a compromise that would allow the Canadian style Fast Track. If I’m not mistaken Fast Track increases the chances of unionization by about 40%.

Card Check was just a ploy to introduce Fast Track, which is what they felt they could get away with.

It’s going all according to the elite’s plans. Wake up America.

True_King on March 22, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Damn skippy! Anyone have any idea WHY Ed has bought into this crap?

He always eventually shows his true colors. His own ascension into the rarified air of the self annointed political media elite is what’s first and foremost.

peacenprosperity on March 22, 2009 at 12:35 PM

There will be no compromise until Wal-Mart is unionized and is history.

ddrintn on March 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Sorry, but the unions won’t buy it. They believe (with good reason) they have the Democratic Party in their pocket. They want Card Check and they want Arbitration. If the current bill is gutted, it gives them nothing that they don’t essentially have right now.

The Democrats go along with this, their gonna get a visit from “Knuckles” and what it will mean, money-wise in 2010.

GarandFan on March 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM

katy on March 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The have already tried to label the Republicans as “The Party of NO”, I guess it plays to their base because I was fine with it.

Cindy Munford on March 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Hey Ed,

You can put lipstick on pig, but it’s still a pig.

“Compromise” just another RHINO word for roll over and an excuse for them to jump on board.

My back hurts, doesn’t their’s?

Knucklehead on March 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM

So lets see, Card Check doesn’t have enough votes to pass, so retailers are offering a compromise? Sounds like something a Republican would do!

American Elephant on March 22, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Damn skippy! Anyone have any idea WHY Ed has bought into this crap?

He always eventually shows his true colors. His own ascension into the rarified air of the self annointed political media elite is what’s first and foremost.

peacenprosperity on March 22, 2009 at 12:35 PM

It might help if you read for comprehension, where I say that this is “still a bad bill”. I’m not cheering for its passage. I’m telling you that when you have 59 Democrats in the Senate and a Democratic President, you’re going to get pro-union legislation — and this is the least bad thing you’re going to see. If we can limit it to this, we’ll be lucky.

Ed Morrissey on March 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM

It might help if you read for comprehension, where I say that this is “still a bad bill”. I’m not cheering for its passage. I’m telling you that when you have 59 Democrats in the Senate and a Democratic President, you’re going to get pro-union legislation — and this is the least bad thing you’re going to see. If we can limit it to this, we’ll be lucky.

Ed Morrissey on March 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM

It’s funny, the same logic was used whenever Democrats filibustered anything the corrupt Republicans controlled DC.
It’s always a compromise that moves everything towards government expansion.

We are in serious trouble.

True_King on March 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I’m a former Democrat. I can tell you APPEASEMENT by republicans DOES NOT WORK! Where are the republicans who used to fight for their values? We sure could use you now. I’vr been exposing what the Democratic Party has become, other former and current democrats are still waiting for the REAL republicans to do the same and fight for our country. Where are they?

RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM

It’s funny, the same logic was used whenever Democrats filibustered anything the corrupt Republicans tried to pass when they controlled DC. “It’s the best we can do to get the bill passed!”

Fixed.

True_King on March 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Read my previous link. Take the time to read it, it explains everything about unions today!!!!!

RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Cindy Munford on March 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Yes, and that is why I love it. We consistantly buckle under their criticism. Why do we do that?
Let them label us anything their little hollow heart want to.
At some point we need to wear their labels like badges of honor.

That’s what I meant about standing firm no matter what is thrown at us.

We succeeded in Iraq because we didn’t let the left define the war or the game. Bush stood firm and we now see the fruits of CONVICTION!

katy on March 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Rasmussen had a poll last week or maybe 2 weeks ago. It said only 9% (NINE PERCENT) of people not in a union want to join a union.

Retailers are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Dems shied away from this because they know union is a 4 letter word for most Americans.

Why give them even an inch? Unions should be treated like Al Qaeda as far as I’m concerened. No negotiating with them.

angryed on March 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM

katy on March 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Our guys are weak sisters. Somebody has to man up but I don’t see anyone volunteering. Like posted in another thread, they are worried about the club, not the country.

Cindy Munford on March 22, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Second look at Card Check…

/sarc (I think)

mrsmwp on March 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Although I rank a trip to Wal-Mart right up there with the dentist, there have been many articles that show that not only do they give the unskilled, untested employee a chance to get experience, their lower prices allow the lower wage earners to buy products at a reasonable price, stretching their income. On a whole I think they are a win/win institution.

Cindy Munford on March 22, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Count to 10 on March 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM

That would be too easy. Also once the union was in, would they not control the vote?

N4646W on March 22, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I’vr been exposing what the Democratic Party has become, other former and current democrats are still waiting for the REAL republicans to do the same and fight for our country. Where are they?

RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Easy answer. “PDS” and “BDS”. Any smart Republican out there that’s holding a low level post, ie mayors, city council members or even governors, who may want to jump in and take the national stage, has a spouse on the other end saying “you’re not putting our family thru the BS the MSM will drag us thru when they find out you didn’t pay that $3 dollar library fine back in 1970″.

Can’t say that I blame them either. Until the smear merchants disappear like KOS, the cream of the crop will continue to stay hidden.

Knucklehead on March 22, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I share the concerns of those who don’t like this plan, here. Please note Democrat attack dog*, Lanny Davis’, role in crafting this plan, as well as references to “The Third Way”.

*Lanny loves to call anyone who isn’t a Democrat a “Republican attack dog” who works for the “Republican attack machine”, so I’m leveling the playing field :)

Buy Danish on March 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM

old trooper2 on March 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Unions are for the largest part the reason why we don’t make anything in this Country anymore. Between Unions and rabid Environmentalists, America is not producing anything but consuming beyond its means.

ot2, not to detract from your larger point, but the US has the largest manufacturing output of all the countries in the world by a very large amount (eg: $1.83t US vs $1.10t China in 2007 [UN data, excel file warning, minor excel-fu helpful]).

We do it better and with fewer people.

The bad news is that our lead over China is decreasing at an accelerating rate. The good news, however, is that our leads over everyone else are generally increasing at accelerating rates.

I mention this only because we need to refrain from raising false arguments to support our positions.

Unless we find a way to neuter the bastards, the behavior of unions, the press, and the elected and appointed members of our government are going to destroy the land of liberty that Madison and his compatriots made for us.

But they haven’t managed it yet, and we should not allow their actions to discourage us further than the facts actually support.

Troll Feeder on March 22, 2009 at 1:59 PM

And what is the impediment to unions today? There is none, except people don’t want them.

tarpon on March 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM

This is probably a very smart move that would derail this horrible bill once and for all.

AnninCA on March 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Rasmussen had a poll last week or maybe 2 weeks ago. It said only 9% (NINE PERCENT) of people not in a union want to join a union.
angryed on March 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Unions approach each business the same way liberals enact every other part of their agenda: Push and push and push and push. And if that doesn’t work, change the rules, then push some more until it gets in.

And once it’s in, you start the hardball tactics to make sure it NEVER goes out. Even if that means breaking kneecaps.

logis on March 22, 2009 at 3:15 PM

It might help if you read for comprehension, where I say that this is “still a bad bill”.
and this is the least bad thing you’re going to see. If we can limit it to this, we’ll be lucky.

The old “might as well lay back and enjoy it strategy.” Trust me ,Ed, I read your posts in full. You’re a flatlander, a guy who thinks things won’t really change. We’ll have a few years of “bad ol’” democrat rule and then go back to “good ol’” republican rule. Well those of us out here are watching irrevocable change take place. The rest of the world is watching also and they are coming to the conclusion that we will not be relevant again are starting to adjust their own monetary policies and strategic alliances. The way things are going they may be right. The democrats are starting to make moves through card check, giving washington dc seats in the house and senate and the coming amnesty of 20 to 30 million illegal aliens to cement their control over this country. Better get your resume ready because in a few years to be in the media you’ll have to apply to the government.

If our “side” is going to save this country we better stop settling for “the best we can hope for”.

peacenprosperity on March 22, 2009 at 3:32 PM

His own ascension into the rarified air of the self annointed political media elite is what’s first and foremost.

peacenprosperity on March 22, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I sure as hell hope you’re wrong. But I have seen previously rational commentators turn into elitists very quickly when fame is within ones grasp.

csdeven on March 22, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Something says they’ve already got the labor-relations lawyers ready with ways around it.

sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Unions Businesses approach each business unions the same way liberals conservatives enact every other part of their agenda: Push and push and push and push. And if that doesn’t work, change the rules, then push some more until it gets in.

And once it’s in, you start the hardball tactics to make sure it NEVER goes out. Even if that means breaking kneecaps.

logis on March 22, 2009 at 3:15 PM

FIFY.

Oh, and by the way, citations of Rasmussen polls are a sign of someone quoting Murdoch’s folk. They’ll say anything to satisfy the right wing’s co-opted network.

sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM

After the Iraq war, you’d think Democrats would be pros at declaring victory while being defeated.

Kafir on March 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Why do we always have to conced to the opposition. Why not make Unions voluntary? If you want to work at any place (Costco) and be part of a union feel free to be part of that union. But if you want to opt. out of any union you should not have to be forced to join a union for the privalige of working at any company. If we really want to put a death nail in unions why not make it illegal for union dues to be used for poitical contributions

lwssdd on March 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM

lwssdd on March 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM

You’ll have labor relations attorneys advising on how to intimidate supporters. That’s why.

I don’t see the labor relations side laying their arms down.

sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Why do we always have to conced to the opposition. Why not make Unions voluntary?
lwssdd on March 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM

No part of Communism is EVER voluntary — that’s the whole point.

logis on March 22, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Stuff labour relations!

You get a job, you do the job, you get paid.

If you don’t like it, shove off!

OldEnglish on March 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM

shitstorm:

Rasmussen got the 2004 and 2008 election dead on. Truth hurts, I know.

angryed on March 22, 2009 at 6:18 PM

angryed on March 22, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Say whatever you want, but that also hurts Murdoch’s bully pulpits the same way.

They’re just shills for the Republican Party in print/TV form.

sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 7:17 PM

OldEnglish on March 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM

…a bitter Thatcher supporter?

sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 7:22 PM

angryed on March 22, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Don’t get me wrong; I enjoy playing ‘make fun of the retard’ as much as anybody does. But we need to have some standards. Sethstorm can’t pass the Touring test. Whether that’s a poorly-coded spambot, or just a completely braindead moonbat, it doesn’t matter. He has no way to know you’re making fun of him; all he knows is that someone is RESPONDING to it. And nothing good can possibly come out of that.

logis on March 22, 2009 at 9:14 PM

logis on March 22, 2009 at 9:14 PM

I’m real, and in the flesh. I’m just a US citizen who believes that business deserves a humbling for trying to evade US citizens.

The sooner you are willing to work with the nation and its citizens, the sooner the nation rebuilds. Forcing it down Reagan-style only got us Obama.

sethstorm on March 23, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Pro-forma response to term “Touring test”: “I’m real, and in the flesh.”

Initial claim of credibility: “I’m just a US citizen who believes that…”

Random call for collective justice and attack against Capitalism: “…business deserves a humbling for trying to evade US citizens. The sooner you are willing to work with the nation and its citizens, the sooner the nation rebuilds.”

Closing attack on random Republican leader, and claim of solidarity to intended audience: “Forcing it down Reagan-style only got us Obama.”

I’m sticking with the poorly-coded ‘bot theory. It’s way too regimented to the result of most kinds of chemically-induced brain damage, but not nearly creative enough to be even a half-hearted attempt by a real-life lamebrain.

logis on March 23, 2009 at 3:05 AM

hey ED, your Font has gone all wonky at the end there.

other than that, great article. The only thing that bothers e is that I’m kind of having a “Don’t give them any ideas” moment. IE: if this thing is stalled, let it stay stalled. Don’t give the legislators any ideas about how to restart any part of it.

But the likelihood is it won’t stay stalled for long. Better to pass the LEAST offensive parts of it as a gimme to the union thugs than to let THEM pick the parts that get passed.

Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth though. Ugh.

wearyman on March 23, 2009 at 7:31 AM

I’m real, and in the flesh. I’m just a US citizen who believes that business deserves a humbling for trying to evade US citizens.
sethstorm on March 23, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Say what? You’re a (barely literate) moron and a loon. Sucks to be you.

Buy Danish on March 23, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Buy Danish on March 23, 2009 at 8:46 AM
logis on March 23, 2009 at 3:05 AM

Then I see a lot of poorly coded Palinbots round here, especially ones that are network aware.

I also see a lot of “unions, baaaaad, AIG goooood” without much of an alternative path presented by those here.

sethstorm on March 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM