Judd Gregg: We’ll go bankrupt under Obama’s budget
posted at 1:00 pm on March 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
Man, when he said he’d be a bad fit for Team Barry, he wasn’t kidding. The whole clip’s worth watching but skip ahead to 4:40 if you only want the red meat. Tell us how you really feel, Judd. Left unmentioned in this discussion of mass bankruptcy: The new Obama proposal that might empower Treasury to “seize and wind down” struggling institutions. What could go wrong?
Oddly enough, he spends a solid minute or so earlier in the segment defending Geithner after having basically called him a liar just last week. Residual guilt over having left The One in the lurch at Commerce, maybe?
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He and others who are thoughtful will bail out. There’s a limit to public service joy. :)
AnninCA on March 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM
So, WHO is our SecCommerce at the moment?
Techie on March 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I think Obama’s teleprompter is covering that to.
lavell12 on March 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
That teleprompter is gonna overheat pretty soon. hopefully he doesn’t need it to discipline his children too.
gsherin on March 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM
+1
funky chicken on March 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM
That guy is awesome! Look at him grill Pelosi on minimum wage:
Here
BryanS on March 22, 2009 at 3:06 PM
IIRC, there are still 17 Senate approved appointments to Treasury still not made by the smoothest transition team under the coolest leadership of the smartest President EVAH!
jukin on March 22, 2009 at 3:06 PM
So, WHO is our SecCommerce at the moment?
Techie on March 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Michelle’s doin’ that isn’t she? She’s spending plenty of money on the parties…
RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM
I see him standing in the rain
Raindrops falling on him
He doesn’t even seem to care
He stands there and smiles as if just at me
And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Trillons everywhere
I love the Money Man
Oh, I don´t know just why
His Hope and Change simply catches my eye
I love the Money Man
He seems so generous and kind
He sweeps thoughts of $$$$$$$$$$ into my mind
I know I have to say bravo
(bravo, bravo)
He smiles over at me
It’s as if he takes me by the hand
And we walk
To break the bank alone
And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Trillons everywhere
MB4 on March 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM
I don’t think we’ll last till then, either. There are going to have to be enough displays of power/unrest to get the federal government to stop what it’s doing. If we could get the SCOTUS to do its job, to hear an eligibility case and make the correct ruling that being a dual citizen, at any time, immediately nullifies natural-born status (which is clearly what the Founders had intended), thereby tossing the retard out of office, then that would go a long way to fixing things. Another antidote, on the domestic side, would be for states to start seceding (even just threatening to secede), breaking their ties to a power-hungry federal government run amok.
Barring that … I don’t know.
Yep. The world sees what a fool we have in the White House, not to mention the whole administration and Congress, and they are making plans to take advantage.
Unfortunately, The Precedent is counting on forcing Israel to take action against Iran and then having the whole world (the US included) pile on Israel, deflecting attention from their domestic plans. I don’t think there’s any way around this scenario, as the world has decided to force this on Israel.
The question is when our financial system breaks, here. It might happen on its own or it might be triggered by our enemies. Many of them realize that it will only take one attack, on the scale of 9/11, to push this country over the edge, financially. Or … just another successful attack by OPEC on our economy. After one of these events, all bets are off regarding the nature of the US and no one can really say what will likely emerge on the other side.
progressoverpeace on March 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM
LMAO………..
………… Allah, you just have to have a daily TOTUS thread.
Seven Percent Solution on March 22, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Huh. That makes sense. I graduated from a mediocre public school in the early 1980s, but I still got a good education. Even kids who didn’t give a rat’s ass about academics weren’t allowed to disrupt the classroom, and therefore probably learned enough to be functionally literate despite themselves.
Walk through pretty much any public (not charter or magnet) high school today, and you can’t say the same thing.
Interesting … kind of correlates with the “destroy any book published before 1985″ thing too.
funky chicken on March 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM
It’s part of the Dim strategy to blame the Republicans for all their own failed policies. For example, who was it who led the fight against regulations for derivatives trading? Larry Summers (Democrat and chief Obama economic adviser). Who was it who led the fight against regulations to prevent banks from becoming “too big to fail”? Robert Rubin (Democrat, former Clinton Treasury Secretary, former Citigroup CEO, and Obama economic adviser).
But the Dim talking point is that it was Republicans who prevented the enactment of regulations that could have prevented the current economic disaster. And the MSM repeats it over and over as if it were true — despite all the evidence to the contrary.
AZCoyote on March 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM
He certainly didn’t take very much. Nowhere near the amount that people like Dodd and O’bama accepted.
In 2008 Gregg took in $30,000 from the finance/real estate/insurance sector, but the amount he got from the failed lenders was relatively tiny. He got $1,000 each from Bank of America and JP Morgan/Chase. He also took $5,000 from Citigroup, which gave most of their donations in 2008 to Democrats.
But the majority of the donations Gregg got from the financial sector came from the insurance industry, mainly Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
He also took in a hefty chunk from the defense sector. Also drug companies. Neither failed or in need of a bailout.
Del Dolemonte on March 22, 2009 at 3:12 PM
BS. Look at the Tarp 1 vote on the Bush Obama plan and the deregulations Gramm stuck in a spending bill.
Again, if you argue the gop is not involved in this disaster, you are not being honest. Period.
getalife on March 22, 2009 at 3:16 PM
You will bury yourselves.
PootyPoot on March 22, 2009 at 3:16 PM
BryanS on March 22, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Too funny! He should have asked her how much she’s paying the Illegal Aliens that work in her vineyards. ha ha ha Was that the KROC LAW or the CROCK LAW???? ha ha ha
RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM
The GOP and Bush did help to start the fire, but now Obama and the dims are throwing all the gas they can find on it.
MB4 on March 22, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Like hungry pigs at a feeding trough.
RealDemocrat on March 22, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Actually, we’re just playing the liberal game of lying to you and making you look like an idiot for not believing us. And guess what? It works. You do look like an idiot.
genso on March 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Some have suggested that Ogabe and the Democrats are simply “playing a game” with us — or that they are somehow innocently incompetent. Call me a truther, if you like, but I see something MUCH more sinister going on here than THAT.
I think that Ogabe and the Democrats KNOW that the entire economic system is headed into the abyss — and I think that it is their DELIBERATE INTENTION to accelerate that decent into total collapse. I think that THAT was their goal all along.
My collie says:
Ogabe and and the Democrats WANT the economy to collapse. They never BELIEVED in liberty or free-market capitalism in the first place. They believe in the absolute dictatorship of the state — and they don’t care how many lies that they have to tell, how many people’s lives they destroy, how many liberties they suspend, or how many tyrannies or slaveries that must be institutionalized in order to get what they want. THAT is WHO they are.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on March 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Stop digging your hole.
Chuck Schick on March 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Phil Gramm has not been in congress for over 6 years. Sorry to ruin your talking points with facts.
It was liberal policies that led to this problem. Usual lib policies implemented by repubs is 50% or more of what Dems want anyways as opposed to insane things like Obama’s current budget plan which is damn near 100% of what liberals want.
gsherin on March 22, 2009 at 3:27 PM
This is exactly the point. I am boggled by the concern here over what Bush did. We are talking about the future and getting out of this. I personally think this budget is suicide and can’t believe anyone who is concerned about getting out of this damned mess would argue for it.
msmveritas on March 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM
AZCoyote on March 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM
oh i’m well aware of their strategy, but that doesn’t make it any less infuriating.
gsherin on March 22, 2009 at 3:32 PM
gsherin on March 22, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Not honest but if it makes you feel better, good for you.
That’s the last time I engage in dishonesty.
getalife on March 22, 2009 at 3:33 PM
This is ridiculous. Most everyone cam see that if the Big 0′s budget and spending is allowed to go…then we will be bankrupt… yet no one has a plan to stop it? I’m just an ordinary citizen but if the “smart” people come up with a plan I can surely follow it… So where are the Conservative Leaders who can figure out how to thwart the Big O?
CCRWM on March 22, 2009 at 3:36 PM
“I sincerely believe… that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
–Thomas Jefferson
Rae on March 22, 2009 at 3:37 PM
So does that mean you won’t say anything else at all? Good news, everyone.
genso on March 22, 2009 at 3:38 PM
getalife on March 22, 2009 at 3:33 PM
ok smartass tell all of us supposedly dumb people if Bush’s worst budget deficit was $450 billion and the CBO says Obama’s budget will produce $1+ trillion deficits for the next 10 years.
explain to us why he has such a great plan. See it doesn’t matter what mistakes Bush made, which was many, but what does Obama have planned to make it better. Fact of the matter is you can’t explain any of that just come here spouting same tired bullshit that solves nothing.
gsherin on March 22, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Yes, you are right on this one. Much of the establishment in Washington, both Republican and Democrat, contributed to this problem, as well as so many builders, buyers, lenders, mortgage insurers and realtors throughout our country.
However, the response to the problem now belongs entirely to the Democrats.
And one of the few Senators who is not beholden to these failed financial institutions, and who was nominated to be Commerce Secretary by the President, Senator Gregg, is now saying that President Obama’s proposed budget will bankrupt our country.
So, as you say, “the truth will come out.” And bankrupting our country is a truth that will hang around the necks of Democrats for a generation, labeling them as incompetent, corrupt, blind ideologues, or all of the above.
Loxodonta on March 22, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Didn’t Gregg say in the interview that it needs to be scrapped and go in budget conference? He is out there saying what needs to happen. We need to put pressure on our reps to see that it does. Obama, in the mean time is going to go on national TV and try to sell the public that it needs to pass. He has no conscience.
msmveritas on March 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Did you ever see the movie E.T.? When it came out, it was the highest grossing picture of all time.
What moral did that story teach to children? If you find a weird alien creature, hide it from your parents and all adult authority figures and help it establish communication with its home base.
It’s called xenophilia: the love of that which is different. And the other side of that coin is the hatred of all that is familiar.
Stop thinking of liberalism as a political movement. It is a religion. And what you think of as “reality” utterly irrelevant to its adherents.
logis on March 22, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Gregg goes Nuclear!!
youngO on March 22, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Loxodonta on March 22, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Again, many gop voted yes for Tarp 1 and the House gop voted yes to tax the bonuses 90%.
This is not a partisan disaster.
That is dishonest.
Gregg is fine with the bailouts.
getalife on March 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Perhaps you are correct. If you are, however, there is no political solution.
genso on March 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Well said, logis. I like the xenophilia description. I’ll be using that quite a bit from now on. Thanks.
progressoverpeace on March 22, 2009 at 3:56 PM
You must know for certain that the President has no intentions of doing the right thing to take us out of this mess. Otherwise, I can’t for the life of me see why you are so desperate to tie this to Bush and the GOP.
msmveritas on March 22, 2009 at 3:56 PM
(sigh) There you go again.
genso on March 22, 2009 at 3:56 PM
msmveritas on March 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Yes, but I was thinking more of what are we going to do about this whole presidency and a Congress dominated by people who want to destroy everthing American? I’m talkig about taxing through the roof, spending through the roof, abortion, stemcell funding, executive pay limits, the FCC, no energy policy that makes us independent of foreigners and so much more… He’s getting away with a lot…
CCRWM on March 22, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Obama received $104,332 FROM AIG last year. He has pocketed so much loot from his brief stint as a US Senator, that he is now worth $8.7 million.
chunderroad on March 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Yup the gop are part of the problem:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00105
They are running scared in both parties and now is the time to get them out.
getalife on March 22, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Holy Cow!
Count to 10 on March 22, 2009 at 4:32 PM
…and we’ll go bankrupt if we sell this nation to every Third World country. Morally and economically.
sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Exactly. As a former hardcore conservative and huge supporter of Bush and regular listener to the talking heads like Limbaugh/Levin I have had a total change of heart. I have now since come to understand that the Republicans are so damn corrupt, just like the Democrats, that us regular folk has less and less political options. Where this is going to take us I don’t know, hopefully a mass reawakening to our Constitutional founding.
It’s funny, I used to love Bush, I even lost my best friend over an argument about him in 2004 when he decided to support Kerry. My friend pulled out the “he mislead us to war” meme that was prevalent back then. I too have now come to understand how corrupt Bush was but I didn’t turn to the other party, which is just if not more corrupt, I instead starting looking for the truth. The truth has set me free.
I hope everyone here starts looking beyond the party to who really controls this nation. The international banking cartel, an undisputed fact and something our forefathers warned us about.
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” Thomas Jefferson
Please wake up!
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I only listen for the enemy intelligence value when it comes to the corpulent pill-popper.
Boortz at least shows class, but then that’s expected at his parent corporation.
sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Yeah, those are the words of a “fiscal conservative”. Yeah, Geithner and Bernanke sure have done a whizzbang job there… How about that $1,250,000,000,000 injection by the Fed the other day?
Bipartisan or not, how about doing things the right way? Why is it that most of the schlubs in Congress don’t understand this?
Send_Me on March 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Gregg is particularly capable of ripping Obama on this one.
Here’s why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7k0lZOUOXU
DJ Tablesauce on March 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Well, I don’t consider them enemies. More like an unwillingness to see beyond the party and beyond the so-called conservative paradigm. If we aren’t willing to see that it is the POLITICIAN that is the problem, because it is they that continue to empower the banking cartel, then we will get nowhere. We will only continue to empower corruption and we will never get the opportunity to face evil and defeat it.
What so many here do not see is that we are about to be sold out to the NWO via carbon taxes and NAFTA. What so many refuse to see that we don’t pay our taxes to the government, the government simply collects and gives them to the international bankers. Does anybody grasp that? We pay the bankers, they in turn loan more paper at confiscatory interest rates to our government so they can continue to dumb down our population. It’s so simple to see, yet everyone here continues to yell at each other or at puppet politicians.
We are slowly being sold out by both Republicans and politicians. A perfect example is the immigration problem. If Republicans were serious about it they would have built the fence, instead they push for amnesty. What is going on? Why would they play into the hands of the UN?
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM
getalife:
Gramm? What are you talking about? The bill Gramm sponsored was signed by Clinton. I think you have the wrong decade here. In fact I heard Clinton defend those changes not so long ago.
Terrye on March 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
When did I ever say the Republicans are not involved? Of course they are. But the fact is, it’s Democrats who’ve been leading the parade as the federal government marches our nation into bankruptcy. It was Democrats Summers and Rubin who blocked key regulations on banks and derivatives trading that could have prevented this mess; it was Democrats like Dodd and Obama who are at the top of the campaign donations list for banks and for companies like AIG, not to mention FM/FM; it was Democrats who pushed FM/FM to buy up more and more subprime loans and loosen lending standards to an absurd degree; it was Democrats (namely Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick) who treated FM/FM as their own personal piggy bank (raking in tens of millions of “performance bonuses” as they fraudulently cooked the books); it was Democrats who shot down Bush’s and McCain’s attempts to reign in the abuses at FM/FM . . . . and on and on and on. Have Republicans been complicit? Absolutely. Are they the prime culprits — as the Democrats and the MSM routinely insist? The facts say otherwise. And if you won’t admit that, then you’re the one who’s being dishonest.
AZCoyote on March 22, 2009 at 5:15 PM
In fact if I remember correctly there were a couple of bills pertaining to financial services and rules that passed the Senate between 1999 and 2002 and they both passed without dissent.
Back then it was not such a partisan issue.
Terrye on March 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
getalife:
The biggest mistake the GOP made was going along with the idea that the housing sector could be run like a social engineering project. Bush did try to get reforms through and so did McCain, but too many Republicans were willing to let powerful Democrats like Dodd and Frank have their way. My guess is people were making money in the housing boom and so they did not want to throw a wrench in it.
We would be better off today if they had.
Terrye on March 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Send_Me:
I listened to Gregg and I got the impression he was talking about specific measures to stabilize the financial industry so that businesses can get credit. I don’t think he is talking about the stimulus, or the budget or a lot of other things the Obama people are doing.
I think Gregg is a smart guy. Smart enough to jump off that sinking ship anyway.
Terrye on March 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM
The Republicans are not “so damn corrupt” and certainly not “just like the Democrats.”
It’s just not true.
The GOP may have one or two bad apples, but the Democrats hold the records when it comes to criminals, liars, frauds and cheats.
For the most part, the GOP is made up of very righteous individuals who believe in and love God, their country and their fellow man.
Nor was President Bush corrupt.
If you think otherwise, I demand that you prove it.
You’ve got your tin foil hat on way too tight, my friend.
Also, I think you’ve been listening to too much Glenn Beck.
You may think you’re awake and dealing with “truths,” but it seems someone else has brainwashed you into your current state and it sounds like Beck + Alex Jones with a dash of Ron Paul.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Excuse me, but you do know the Federal Reserve Bank has spent TRILLIONS of dollars with no oversite, or permision from the Government?
That they have no oversite?
Congress has been asking where the money went, and they will not release that information?
That the Federal Reserve Bank just last week coined 1.25 TRILLIION Dollars, all on its own? When the Constitution says only the CONGRESS can coin money?
That the US Government has NO CONTROL over the Federal Reserve bank, EXCEPT the ability to fire the Chairman of the Fed Res Board?
Tin foil hat wearer? or just informed?
Romeo13 on March 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Bush naively thought the Democrats actually cared about affordable housing for the poor. He didn’t realize every last filthy one of them was in on the whole racket, unwilling to compromise and hellbent on regaining power. That was it in a nutshell. Bush didn’t understand they absolutely despise America.
chunderroad on March 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM
This is precisely what the nitwit left and the Obama administration do not understand:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4ff2f77e-1584-11de-b9a9-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
Hey, let’s tax those evil Jew bankers into oblivion! That’ll fix everything.
Morons. Our nation is run by morons.
Django on March 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Corrupt morons at that.
Mr Purple on March 22, 2009 at 6:01 PM
I still say you’re both tin foil hat wearers; if only Congress has the power to coin money, then they must have approved of its creation.
In that same vein, they either know or should have known who it was being distributed to and how much.
Could it be that their requests for oversight are just for show?
(Isn’t it Dodd & Frank requesting oversight when they’re the very ones who perpetrated so much of this outrage?)
We are now at the mercy of a Democrat President and a Democrat controlled House and Senate.
Please note that the Republicans in the House have as a bloc voted NO to at least 2 of these stimulus/bailout bills.
You don’t have to dredge up conspiracy theories when none are needed.
This is nothing but sheer DNC Fascism and tyranny by the DemocRat majority.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM
You are the perfect example of what I mean when I say that people are just focused on the parties when the real enemy is the cartel that has enslaved us for generations.
I have a tinfoil hat? You need to wake up to the reality of our situation or you will simply be as all the others in history who chose to turn a blind eye and found themselves enchained.
I do agree with those that Obama is intent on establishing socialism, but what so many don’t see is that he is establishing it for a greater reason than most see. Socialism here means faster integration into the coming world government. That government will be powered by the international banks much like nations are via their central banks. Their is already a central banks of central banks, it is called The Bank for International Settlements (BIS). Google “central bank of the world” and the first site you get is the BIS. Either BIS or something very much like it will rule the finances of the world, all debt based because they want all nations in perpetual debt to them.
How the hell is reality a conspiracy theory?
As for Bush’s corruption, I don’t know about you, but whenever any President consolidates as much power into the executive that Bush did with all his executive orders and his draconian “national security” legislation, I consider that to be corrupt. Just look at Obama, he’s changed nothing that Bush created, the laws are now perpetual and in his hands, do you trust Obama? I don’t. That’s why we were screaming not to empower Bush with such power because all we needed was a power hungry leftist to assume power. Guess what, it happened. Never trade your freedoms for security. NEVER!
I supported Bush twice, I realize now that was a mistake. I gave him too much power to pass draconian, liberty destroying legislation.
As for Beck, I do like him and wish he went farther in what he says, but at least he does an idea about the true nature of our situation. Unfortunately for you, you can’t seem to get out of the stupid Democrat/Republican mindset and think on a much larger scale. Our grave situation demands that we see things beyond the left/right stuff.
I pray your eyes will be opened.
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 6:22 PM
They aren’t targeting the people that own the bank, they are simply targeting the public face of the institutions.
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 6:23 PM
There’ll always be some evil cartel enslaving the masses. We’ll never have the proper Jeffersonian agrarian society to satisfy certain segments. You have to accept reality beyond the 1830s.
ddrintn on March 22, 2009 at 6:37 PM
There is no cartel that has enslaved us for generations (or we wouldn’t where we are today…)
Now this truly is tin foil hat stuff straight up.
Sorry, but you sound like an Alex Jones nut.
President Bush passed NO “draconian ‘national security’ legislation.”
NObama has changed virtually everything Bush created: Gitmo, “enemy combatants,” “terrorism,” abortion laws both at home and abroad, federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, etc. etc.
The legislation passed by Congress under President Bush’s Administration was neither draconian nor did it destroy Liberty.
You sound like an idiot–Sorry, but there it is!
I like Beck, too, but his depth of knowledge on almost any given subject, but especially politics and the economy, is almost nil.
My eyes are wide open.
I pray for yours to be unglued from being shut by crazies.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Gregg’s my Senator, and I can confirm his intelligence. He’s a grad of Phillips Exeter Academy, got his bachelors degree at Columbia, and two law degrees from Boston University. Before becoming our Senator he traveled a long path-he started on the New Hampshire Executive Council, a small group that advise the Governor. Judd’s father Hugh had been NH Governor in the mid 1950s.
He then spent 6 years as a US Represebtative, then ran for NH Governor and served two terms.
As Senator he has had the following assignments
Committee on Appropriations
Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies
Subcommittee on Defense
Subcommittee on Homeland Security
Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies
Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies
Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs (Ranking Member)
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Subcommittee on Children and Families
Subcommittee on Retirement and Aging
Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member)
Yep, no dummy, he.
Del Dolemonte on March 22, 2009 at 7:06 PM
LOL! getalife’s daughter-in-law is here now.
BYW, kid, the only “True King” is B.B.
Del Dolemonte on March 22, 2009 at 7:08 PM
You mean it’s not ELVIS?!
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Come to Ohio sometime. Then you’ll see plenty of Republican corruption.
sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Two things I’m impressed by:
1.] Gregg and how well he knows his poop [sans teleprompter!!]
2.] That CNN actually gave a Republican pol the opportunity to finish a thought. Now if only MSNBC could attempt to follow suit…
tmq on March 22, 2009 at 7:17 PM
I also like how classy Sen. Gregg was in not assigning blame to anyone and focusing on the issue at hand.
tmq on March 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Won’t happen on Murdoch’s stations.
sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Like whom? Doing what?
I want names, dates, & corroborations before you cast any more aspersions on the GOP in a drive-by post.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 7:25 PM
…you say that yet not investigate.
sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 7:30 PM
You made the statement: the onus is on you to back it up with some facts.
Good job, tin foil hat brigade in hijacking the thread which was about the sage prediction of Judd Gregg, a Republican and an American patriot if not a hero.
It took a lot of guts for this man to turn down Ogabe’s offer of Secretary of Commerce on (Conservative) principle!
He’s 100% correct–Ogabe’s budget will bankrupt the country!
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 7:35 PM
So I guess this makes Obama’s Spending Excellent Liberal
Adventure to increase the Democrat voter base to what
now,
a Gazillion,or is it now at about 5 Trillion!
So,like,is this emergency type of spending still to ‘save’
the ‘Crisis’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or,after Bankrupting America,and after 60 years of Failed
Liberal Social ideas,and programs,I bet Obama will need at
least another 3 to 5 Trillion!
canopfor on March 22, 2009 at 7:36 PM
You asked for it Jocko!
And massive Voter Fraud & ACORN Membership now subsidized by My Tax Dollars. Thanks.
old trooper2 on March 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM
From entire presidents of the 19th century to our former governors, Ohio has plenty of corruption on the GOP side.
sethstorm on March 22, 2009 at 7:40 PM
This is still too vague and generalized an accusation!
I can think of several good Ohioan Republicans like President & Supreme Court Justice William Howard Taft, the only man to serve in both capacities and present day Ohio GOP like John Kasich and Ken Blackwell.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 7:44 PM
My gawd,Clinton whinned about the surplus that got done
squandered,supposedly,
meanwhile back at Team Hopey/Changey,the 2 year Senator who seems to be surrounded with the best and brightest Liberal Socialists that money can by,
come out with another brilliant plan!
They need more boat loads of cash!
Might as well load the Titanic to the engine stacks,fill
the life boats to the oar locks,
and tow a Iceberg purposely directly in front of the bow,
and,force-feed the engines with the trillions,and then,
have a supply ship,pull up along side,and start off-loading
cash onto the Titanic,as its still sinking!(Snark).
canopfor on March 22, 2009 at 7:54 PM
LOL…. so… because I bother to READ the F’n Consitution I’m a tinfoil hat wearer.
Interesting.
Won’t even bother to debate with someone who does not even know the Highest Law of the Land.
Congress gave that power to the banks… but the problem is that Congress does not have the ability to do so. They did not Amend the Constitution, and its clear from that document that only the CONGRESS can coin (ie create) money.
Yet the Fed Res Bank last week, with no oversight from Congress, created 1 TRILLION Dollars.
These are FACTS, no matter how much you would like to dismiss them…
Romeo13 on March 22, 2009 at 7:55 PM
+10 (I loved it!)
To the troll Sh*tstorm, I did a little reading & found out that 8 of our Presidents have come from Ohio and almost all of them were Republicans(Hayes, Harding, Garfield, Grant, Taft, McKinley,both Harrisons).
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Wow, getalife’s Aunt is here too.
Tell us about all the Ohio corruption on the Democrat side. As I recall, your (D) Attorney General just resigned in some sort of sex scandal.
And just 7 years ago, there was a Ohio Democrat named Jim Trafficant who got into more than a little hot water. 10 felony counts, wasn’t it?
And let’s not forget Wayne Hayes, D-Ohio, who pioneered the hiring of “executive secretaries” in the 1970s.
Del Dolemonte on March 22, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Nope, I read the Constitution, too.
It’s what you do with it, plus the “troother” stuff you’ve added to its interpretation that’s the problem.
If you do any reading about the creation of the Federal Reserve Act of 1912, you’ll see that Congress was pretty fast and loose about delegating their Constitutional powers to “coin money” and have remained so ever since.
Curiously, that was done under Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, who like Obama, enjoyed his party–the Democrat Party–controlling both houses of Congress when they passed the FRA, too.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 8:05 PM
We don’t have a semblance of that now. Nobody is asking anything other than to follow the Constitution, which specifically states that only Congress has the power to issue money. That alone would go a long way to reestablishing our foundation. Accepting reality beyond the 1830′s is to not accept the founding principles of the Constitution, you can choose to do so but not I.
Ma’am, are you not aware that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned institution? The House Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 showed that the same 12 families that bought the private controlling shares still own it today (one of the very few insights we have on how they are structured). All the roads lead to London and the House of Rothschild. They issue all our debt (enslavement), which is what we call money, to us in direct contradiction to the Constitution. National debt means that we owe the privately owned banks our future labor, don’t you understand that? Don’t you know how this stuff works? Don’t you see that we are headed towards global governance and the only thing standing in their way are patriots?
This is all documented fact. Where exactly am I wrong?
It’s funny, if you point out the things that are wrong on our supposed side you get attacked. It’s kinda funny because I was lemming just a couple of months ago after being a staunch Republican supporter for over 10 years. McCain and the last 4 years of Bush/Congress made me rethink my position. I realized that if I’m to be principled there is no way I can support what these 2 parties bring.
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 8:26 PM
True King is the name of my business.
I don’t know who getalife is other than what I’ve read of him here, there is no relation whatsoever and I happen to be a male. :)
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 8:28 PM
I have a question.
How many Blue Dog (not flaming liberal) democrats are there
on capitol hill?
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How about raising their awareness that Obama intends to hyper-inflate the dollar into ruin.
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We may not be able to wait until 2010 to block his Ayers/Davis/Marx agenda.
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And would that be Karl Marx or Harpo Marx?
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Yes, Harpo Marx might be a good theme for the BO Admin.
Can anyone run with that artwork.
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Just wondering.
esblowfeld on March 22, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Even a chicken, with its little brain, has enough sense to get out of the rain.
Send_Me on March 22, 2009 at 8:39 PM
You made the statement: the onus is on you to back it up with some facts.
Don’t bother her with facts. She’ll turn it into a bash Democrats post.
What did I say. :) She can’t help but see everything through Republican glasses. Wow.
You seem to think my beef is with Republicans, quite the contrary, Democrats are far more dangerous to liberty than Republicans, but during President Bush’s term the Republican’s came darn close, it’s only lately that they have started to move back towards the base, but even then, they still expanded SCHIPP by a ton, and cheerleaded the terrible TARP bill.
So where do we go from here, it’s simple, focus on what the forefathers did and judge ourselves and politicians by the same standard. To many of us, the truth still counts.
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 8:40 PM
No. No. No.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
I don’t know where you get this stuff, but none of it’s true or real, much less
“documented fact.”
Someone above was kidding when they joked that it was a conspiracy of “the Jews,” but I don’t think you are kidding and you brought up the favorite name to bash of every anti-Semite: the Rothschilds.
I’m a patriot.
And I have 2 Masters degrees; 2 of my 3 degrees are in History.
I’ve done as much or more reading and study of our nation’s history as you.
I don’t think our money is controlled by an international cartel (yet) and I choose to remain a Republican in our 2-party system.
Go 3rd party if you want with your conspiracy theories but I won’t hold your coat while you “indies” lose in every election/beating.
If the conspiracy is as vast and inexorable as you seem to think it is, it is irrelevant which party you vote for or if you vote at all–their “Master Plan” will go forward!
Open your eyes to that!
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 8:40 PM
SCHIP didn’t pass under President Bush.
And the House GOP voted NO en masse to the TARP bill, remember?
At least they voted No on the first vote and it barely passed on the second, because the Dems have controlled the House since 2006.
If the Republicans helped pass it, it’s only because Paulson & Bernanke insisted we had to, to “save” the economy from imminent meltdown.
This is hardly “cheerleading,” much less the enabling of the passage of “draconian & Liberty-strangling (or whatever over-the-top term you used)legislation” under President bush.
Which is why I call Bullsh!t on your conspiracy theories!
You didn’t provide one shred of evidence, documented facts or links to prove your wild theories because you can’t without citing some bizarro site like Alex Jones or Lew Rockwell.
As if Obama weren’t giving us enough trouble, we get your lunatic “Independent” crazies talking “peoples’ revolution!”
I’ll stick with the Tea Parties, thanks.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 8:51 PM
while yall fuss, i’m taking my small bit of political action. i’m going as a delegate to our state’s Republican convention (maybe not a big act, but i need to get wired into the pulse of the party again) & i will definitely be at a “tea party” protest on 4/15.
on the Ace site, they have Moron meet-ups. i may start doing that as well. i am fed up & want to do something.
kelley in virginia on March 22, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Who brought up the Jews? You did. Next thing I’ll hear from you is that the Rockefellers are Jews as well. No need to get racial. Most conservatives decry such tactics, but I guess for you it’s OK.
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 9:00 PM
No, you did.
The one and only name you gave was Rothschild, a renowned Jewish family.
Jenfidel on March 22, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Lol, calm down. You light up the incense and candles and put on some Barry Manilow.
I haven’t stated one piece of information that you can call a “conspiracy” theory.
Take Carroll Quigley for instance: Quigley was born in Boston, and attended Harvard University, where he studied history and earned a B.A, M.A., and Ph.D. degrees. He taught at Princeton University, and then at Harvard, and then at the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University from 1941 to 1976.[1]
Well known highly respected historian.
His incredible books describe the conspiracy using the perspective of the conspirators, why? According to him they knew he was a supporter of their cause and allowed him access to their archives. With these he wrote two great books: Tragedy and Hope and The Anglo-American Establishment: From Rhodes to Cliveden. He writes quite a bit about some of the secret societies. They are real. I’m sure you’ll take his scholarly opinion over mine.
Here’s a cool youtube interview, hear them all. Check it out for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxVlBVXwU5k
He was also Bill Clintons mentor in Georgetown.
Using your logic, that means anytime that someone here bashes Geitner it means they are anti-semites right?
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 9:25 PM
So only Republicans are patriots? Look, I have no clue why you chose to be so aggressive, but I hope you look into Carroll Quigley, he lays it all out. The books themselves aren’t conspiracy books, but within them he reveals the role of the secret societies.
I only want people to understand that we stand on the precipice. We need to understand that our policy is set on a global level by the most powerful people in the world.
The one world system isn’t just going to happen, it, like all governments, are thought out and planned. The new world order is no different, it’s something that has been in the works for a long time. The establishment of institutions like the UN, World Bank, G7, G20, CFR, and so on, are not accidental. It is a gradual process towards world order.
I have no clue why people find this so hard to believe.
True_King on March 22, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Fed shares don’t work that way. They’re not “controlling” — no voting rights, for example.
Banks are required to purchase shares to be member institutions, and any significant ownership stakes in those banks are required to be reported to the SEC.
I could go on, but I figure the orderlies are going to drag you away from the computer at some point.
DrSteve on March 22, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Terrye,
By the way, I wanted to apologize for last night (hope you see this). I got a bit riled up and my comments were more personal and heated than they should’ve been. You have my full and unreserved apologies.
Midas on March 22, 2009 at 9:51 PM
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