The World Will Test Us, Part III

posted at 12:10 pm on March 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Joe Biden tried to warn America; he really did.  In October, while campaigning for his running mate, Biden predicted what would happen if America elected an untested, inexperienced, single-term Senator as President:

“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking.”

Indeed the world is, er, looking.  And Russia, which floated the notion of basing its bombers in Cuba last week, gave the US Navy up-close looks at its bombers twice this week:

Two Russian planes flew within 500 feet of U.S. Navy ships participating in military drills with South Korea, military officials said.

After trying unsuccessfully to contact the pilots, U.S. fighter jets met up with the Russian planes and flew with them until they left the area, CNN reported.

One incident occurred Monday, when Russian Ilyushin IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft flew over the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis while it was in international waters in the Sea of Japan. The Russian aircraft flew within 500 feet of the carrier, which was lower than other Russian flyovers in the past year, military officials said.

On Tuesday, two Russian long-range bombers overflew the Stennis and the USS Blue Ridge several times at about 2,000 feet, U.S. military officials told CNN.

Earlier this month, the Chinese started harassing an unarmed Navy exploration vessel, requiring the US to send armed escorts into the international waters of the South China Sea.  North Korea is about to launch an ICBM with a reported range that easily includes American territory.  Moscow has flipped Kyrgyzstan and put our supply routes into Afghanistan in jeopardy.

Biden was right; they’re testing the mettle of the new President.  Evidentally, they’re finding that he doesn’t have much, and they’re becoming more and more arrogant about their provocations.


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Change that I beleived was coming if America elected this ultra liberal beta male sissy as President.

Bravo (clapping sarcastically,) bravo

Hog Wild on March 21, 2009 at 2:01 PM

William Amos on March 21, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Yep. I saw that report yesterday and shook my head. He is going to throw teachers and road graders between the troops and the Taliban. Protecting them ought to tie down half our men and women on the ground. What a stupid move.

Limerick on March 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Jimmy Carter II: This Time it’s Trillions

rbj on March 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM

One scenario is that our global competitors continue to probe and test, until one or another oversteps, or is seen to overstep, or merely steps forward at the time Obama finally decides he needs to prove his “manhood.” I wish I could believe that whom- or whatever we choose to make an example out of will deserve it as much or more than anyone else, or that the demonstration will serve some coherent strategic purpose beyond briefly hitting the pause button on global retreat, before moving on to fast forward.

I’d like to think that the generals and planners are thinking hard about what core capacities and positions need to be protected at all costs, up to and including putting their own careers on the line. Otherwise, we may end up with a broken army much more quickly than most people realize is possible. In the meantime, that damage can potentially be repaired won’t change the real human and other costs it inflicts.

CK MacLeod on March 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Its funny Ed how Obama’s top 2 defense officials are Bob Gates, Bushies secretary too, and General James Jones, Marine Corps. With these 2 advising Obama you wittle conservatives can quit hiding underneath your beds, and come out and play with the grownups. Funny how Obama hasn’t held back on drones hitting targets over Pakistan, or has your selective memory forgotten that? Or the same president sending 17,000 more troops to Afhganistan, selective memory on that one too? Of course facts have never mattered to conservatives, to conservatives facts are whatever Rush said. So spare me the concern, its pathetic.

athensboy on March 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Here’s what I don’t get. Don’t major ships, like aircraft carriers, or even destroyers, have a no-fly zone around them? Remember the Vincennes shot down that airbus because it came within about 15 miles of it. Why would the Navy allow a military aircraft to even come close to its ships, especially the carriers?

Because no one wanted to start a shooting war over it. We and the Soviets generally played by the rules, neither of us wanted to see a nuclear war get started over it. You cant just shoot down someone elses plane in international airspace just because. Low level buzzing is not the same as hostile intent. They buzzed us, we buzzed them.

The Vincennes shot down the airbus because they thought the airliner has a hostile flight profile, like they were preparing to launch a missile at the ship.

We are not going to shoot down a foreign aircraft just because it is close to one of our ships in international waters.

firepilot on March 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

In their caves or faculty offices at UC Irvine or wherever terrorists hang out, their planners are checking off all the political and societal factors that make us vulnerable to a mass-casualty attack:

* Easily-distracted rookie President needs a diaper.
Zero career executive experience of any kind & off to a predictably weak and wobbly start: overmatched, self-absorbed, and tone-deaf. Already insulted key allies and coddled enemies both foreign & domestic, thus alienating the former and emboldening the latter. Obvious dis-interest
in foreign affairs.

* US/world economy probably still unravelling. No real signs that US leaders have any idea how to fix it.

* Incompetent and corrupt Congress distracted and beclowning themselves every day on TV over trivial matters.

* Growing instability in Mexico, an easy-in for weaponized bad guys coming across the southern border.

Etc, etc, etc.

Thankfully, Allied forces around the world have put the world’s major terror networks,(at least those with global reach capable of pulling off a mass casualty attack in the US) on the run in the last few years, & even possibly flipped Iraq. But the fight is not over, and the love baby of Jimmy Carter and Rev. Wright can cause major damage in 4 years.

Mike D. on March 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

You have to know when to pick your fights. Bush knows. The Fraudulent One has no clue.

Jarhead68 on March 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I thought Bush was a warmongerer. Now he’s a sissy.

You tards crack me up.

fogw on March 21, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

He signed the missile shield deal , the one the WON now tries to back out from.

Remember the reset/rearm button you guys sent to Russia ?

the_nile on March 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM

In paper, rock, scissors, there is no arugula.

wccawa on March 21, 2009 at 12:34 PM

But the Obama’s are planting a vegetable garden at the White House!

chunderroad on March 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM

They’re testing the mettle of the new President. Evidentally, they’re finding that he doesn’t have much, and they’re becoming more and more arrogant about their provocations.

I really appreciate this post, Ed, because it is so true! In fact, I believe what we are seeing is a page right out of Bible prophecy. For those of you who missed my post the other day on America, the following link describes where I believe this will lead. As powerful as the United States is, it is my opinion that towards the middle of the tribulation period, the Antichrist will turn on the US and destroy it. I understand this is a controversial stand to take in the world of prophecy, but I am convinced that Mystery Babylon in Revelation is the United States. Mystery Babylon is the nation that according to Biblical Scripture God judges and destroys in the last days through the ten-nation kingdom of the Antichrist.

“And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” Revelation 14:8

apacalyps on March 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM

He signed the missile shield deal , the one the WON now tries to back out from.

Remember the reset/rearm button you guys sent to Russia ?

What did the “tough” guy bush do when Putin was putting bombs on Georgia? He did nothing. Bush was scared of the russians

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:39 PM

If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

For a decade, you’ve been fighting against the ChimpBusHitlerSissy . . .

And you’re still losing!

Loxodonta on March 21, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

The implied threat from W was made clear to Vlad. The doubt and worry about a response was realistic. With TOTUS, there’s nothing but bunny farts.

In the meantime, W put our navy in Putin’s bathtub and had our Air Force landing in Tbilisi before the day was out.

wccawa on March 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:39 PM

George W. Bush, Fighter Pilot
B. Hussein Obama, Puppy Hugger

fogw on March 21, 2009 at 2:43 PM

firepilot on March 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

40 years ago in the Med, we routinely had Soviet (Russian) destroyers closer to our carriers than our own escorts. Common stuff.

oldleprechaun on March 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Troll Rule #1 – Always Blame Boooosh!
Troll Rule #2 – If That Doesn’t Work, Blame Reagan.
When in doubt, always refer back to Rule #1.

Yes. The world was overjoyed with the results of the election. Especially our enemies.

kingsjester on March 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM

B. Hussein Obama, Puppy Hugger

fogw on March 21, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Puppy Hugger is too good a term for him.

Disturb the Universe on March 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM

What did the “tough” guy bush do when Putin was putting bombs on Georgia? He did nothing. Bush was scared of the russians

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Putins plan was to topple the elected power in Georgia. Without Bush , he would have done that.

the_nile on March 21, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Puppy Hugger is too good a term for him.

Disturb the Universe on March 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM

George W. Bush, Fighter Pilot
B. Hussein Obama, Ellen’s Dance Partner

fogw on March 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Puppy Hugger is too good a term for him.

Disturb the Universe on March 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Please don’t post the correct term. There are children present.

Loxodonta on March 21, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Maybe michelle knows something we do not.
During WW11 we had Victory Gardens,since it is Spring suggest you plant and reload what you have on hand. The Messican gangs are in Texas now,maybe they will move to Connecticut.
I here there is more cash on the East Coast than we have here.
The boy child is way over his pay grade.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM

He’s in WAY over his head. Obama is not equipped mentally, emotionally, nor testicularly – to be leader of the free world.

You want to deal on the world stage … take a lesson from Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, and GIANT LANCE

HondaV65 on March 21, 2009 at 2:58 PM

George W. Bush, Fighter Pilot
B. Hussein Obama, Ellen’s DanceRahms ballet Partner

fogw on March 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

fxt

the_nile on March 21, 2009 at 3:01 PM

B. Hussein Obama, Ellen’s Dance Partner

fogw on March 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Much better; my dogs thank you.

Disturb the Universe on March 21, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Its funny Ed how Obama’s top 2 defense officials are Bob Gates, Bushies secretary too, and General James Jones, Marine Corps.

athensboy on March 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Thanks for admitting Bush knew what he was doing.

Del Dolemonte on March 21, 2009 at 3:23 PM

But the Obama’s are planting a vegetable garden at the White House!

chunderroad on March 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The NY Fishwerap story you link to notes that O’bama doesn’t like beets. Where’s the media ridicule?

Del Dolemonte on March 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM

A message to all the naive bastards that voted for Obama.

GO F#CK YOURSELVES!!

BayCon on March 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Biden’s an effin prophet…..

CynicalOptimist on March 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM

You ain’t seen the real test yet. Brace yourselves. I miss Cheney.

Christian Conservative on March 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

We have to put the blame squarely where it belongs with respect to the overflights — on Putin.

Obama, as much as I dislike him, is a victim of Russia’s anger at a few of our destroyers visiting Georgia — an anger which wouldn’t exist if the Russian economy were in better shape.

I’m amazed at how uneventful such overflights were. If we were to do something like that to a Russian carrier, I suspect the Russians would fire on our planes.

unclesmrgol on March 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM

You ain’t seen the real test yet. Brace yourselves. I miss Cheney.

Christian Conservative on March 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

I miss Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf

Rovin on March 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM

in time their proxies will attack our allies and the killing will begin and no freaking video tape is gonna change that fact on the ground.

rob verdi on March 21, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I anticipate action in the Middle East against Israel.

jimmy2shoes on March 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

You have to know when to pick your fights. Bush knows. The Fraudulent One has no clue.

Jarhead68 on March 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

My biggest concern is that when Prez T.L. Prompter does pick a fight, he will overreach and get us tangled in something we shouldn’t be tangled in just to show he’s not weak on defense.

jimmy2shoes on March 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM

But the Obama’s are planting a vegetable garden at the White House!

So, we’ll be able to throw tomatoes at the Russians! Dang it if Barry ain’t a genious.

jimmy2shoes on March 21, 2009 at 4:06 PM

As to any comments in regard to Bush’s mettle… no thinking person honestly believes that our enemies are more frightened of BHO than of W.

You have to be willfully ignorant and utterly blind to the realities of world politics to be able to convince yourself that N. Korea, China, Iran, Russia, Hamas etc. are more frightened of a community organizer who spent three years blaming “aggressive language” on the part of Bush for the aggression of our enemies.

Go back and check what McCain was saying during the Georgia crisis vs. what BHO was saying (hint: BHO was hiding under a desk somewhere)… so I suppose you all recent saber-rattlers voted for McCain?

mankai on March 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM

But the Obama’s are planting a vegetable garden at the White House!

So, we’ll be able to throw tomatoes at the Russians! Dang it if Barry ain’t a genious.

jimmy2shoes on March 21, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Warmonger!

mankai on March 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Bay of Pigs Pork.

jgapinoy on March 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Biden was right; they’re testing the mettle of the new President. Evidentally, they’re finding that he doesn’t have much, and they’re becoming more and more arrogant about their provocations.

Democrats do nothing but lose wars. B-HO is so out of his league it’s frightening. Dangerous violent men rule the world. He is a child amidst the adults out there and WE are going to pay a price in blood.

Mojave Mark on March 21, 2009 at 4:16 PM

but I am convinced that Mystery Babylon in Revelation is the United States. Mystery Babylon is the nation that according to Biblical Scripture God judges and destroys in the last days through the ten-nation kingdom of the Antichrist.

I believe Mystery Babylon is ALL the systems of man. Perhaps this is the breaking of them. It is through the breaking of them that God’s Glory will be revealed. Hence, the Mystery. Even Babylon hath been a Golden Cup in the Lord’s Hands – we really do not know what He is going to do here. God’s purpose is not to punish the faithless, but to make Himself known.

You might find some of the writings of Ray Prinzing interesting – he has a different take on Revelations, biblical prophecy, etc. My favorite is “Whispers of The Mysteries” He has written much, he has passed away, but his stuff is available free online Here’s a link: http://home.att.net/~spiritword/Prinzing/booklist.htm

Queen0fCups on March 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Were you for the Iraq war?

Johan Klaus on March 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Go back and check what McCain was saying during the Georgia crisis vs. what BHO was saying (hint: BHO was hiding under a desk somewhere)… so I suppose you all recent saber-rattlers voted for McCain?

mankai on March 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM

I voted for McCain. First time I’ve ever voted for him for anything (and I’ve lived in AZ for years). Didn’t particularly want to vote for him, but realized that the alternative was far, far worse. Didn’t need the Georgia incident to convince me that Barry, in addition to being a Marxist and a race-baiting ACORN shake-down artist, was also a weak-kneed appeaser. His reaction to Russia’s invasion of Georgia was just confirmation of what we (and that KGB thug Putin) already knew about him.

AZCoyote on March 21, 2009 at 4:33 PM

athensboy.

I think I see the problem here. Come back when you are athensman.

Star20 on March 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Warmonger!

mankai on March 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

He-he!!

jimmy2shoes on March 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM

“they’re testing the mettle of the new President”

what mettle?

notagool on March 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Barry: The teleprompting begins in five minutes.

Christien on March 21, 2009 at 5:22 PM

His “mettle” is tin–like his ear.
/can I talk about his ears?

hoosiermama on March 21, 2009 at 5:35 PM

unclesmrgol on March 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM

This stuff was going on WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY before Putin ever came to office.

And yes, we do overfly Russian warships.

BallisticBob on March 21, 2009 at 5:37 PM

i wish a dirty bomb would be released in new york, chicago, and sanfransico that only affects democrat morons that voted for both of these clowns. they deserve all that is about to rain down on them. sadly, we will feel it too.

Ghoul aid on March 21, 2009 at 12:14 PM

The people who are attacking “Ghoul aid” need to chill or at least give him/her the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think this poster meant his/her comment literally.

Callie C. on March 21, 2009 at 5:40 PM

And yes, we do overfly Russian warships.

BallisticBob on March 21, 2009 at 5:37 PM

I would guess so

But at 500 feet? If we do, then this isn’t news at all — it’s just a quid pro quo.

unclesmrgol on March 21, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Callie C. – I can’t determine what he means, I can only read what he says. You logic is like Obama’s. It is not what he says, but what he means… (wait for it)……..this week. As someone whose family personally experienced the OKC bombing (I watched the plume of smoke while my daughter cried for her husband), I don’t tolerate anyone who, cowardly, wants to bomb AMERICANS. I await your and Ghoul aid’s apologies.

Old Country Boy on March 21, 2009 at 6:11 PM

North Korea is about to launch an ICBM with a reported range that easily includes American territory. Moscow has flipped Kyrgyzstan and put our supply routes into Afghanistan in jeopardy.

With special thanks to all RINO’s, Bill, Hillary, Obama and the rest of the Democrat party.

JellyToast on March 21, 2009 at 6:25 PM

We are not going to shoot down a foreign aircraft just because it is close to one of our ships in international waters.

Evidently that is the case, but I’m wondering about the logic of allowing Russian combat aircraft overfly US Navy warships. If they intended to strike, that is what they would need to do. Approach and fire. Sort of defeats the purpose of having all those layers of protection, ending with the phalanx system if they are going to allow adversaries to literally penetrate and overfly.

keep the change on March 21, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Yep, sure ’nuff, the world is testing us. And so far, the world is winning.

petefrt on March 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM

notagool – mettle is an old variant of Metal, indicating the temper or toughness of the person. Obama’s mettle is similar to Wood’s Metal. (google it) If you are in a public place, you are probably standing close to some. It melts in your hand, or at the first sign of heat, for use in fire sprinklers.

Old Country Boy on March 21, 2009 at 6:37 PM

they’re testing the mettle of the new President.

They’re testing his teleprompter?

Loxodonta on March 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Democrats do nothing but lose wars.
Mojave Mark on March 21, 2009 at 4:16 PM

They do lose them, but they also invite them.

Maquis on March 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Biden was right; they’re testing the mettle of the new President.

Those filthy commies better not try anything stupid during one of the Chicago Thug’s Wednesday Night drunk fest cocktail parties…

Zorro on March 21, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Is it just me or does the way our ship-naming conventions are evolving really suck?

USS John C. Stennis???? Puhleeze. Whatever happened to kick-ass names like “Hornet” or “Yorktown”??????

BTW, I’m a lifelong Republican who was born at Quantico, but really, “USS George Herbert Walker Bush” just doesn’t have any bite to it.

kd6rxl on March 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

BTW, I’m a lifelong Republican who was born at Quantico, but really, “USS George Herbert Walker Bush” just doesn’t have any bite to it.

kd6rxl on March 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Hell of a lot more bite than the USS Jimmy Carter!

Maquis on March 21, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Our adversaries are trying to aggravate our financial problems by preventing Obama from making deep cuts in military spending. I’m sure Obama’s advisors are telling him to ignore them; make the cuts anyway. Everyone knows we’re the only aggressors in the world.

jaime on March 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM

You might find some of the writings of Ray Prinzing interesting – he has a different take on Revelations, biblical prophecy, etc. My favorite is “Whispers of The Mysteries” He has written much, he has passed away, but his stuff is available free online Here’s a link: http://home.att.net/~spiritword/Prinzing/booklist.htm

Queen0fCups on March 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I scanned some of this dude’s writing at the link you provided.

Gnostic, with a splash of pantheism. In a word, heresy.

davidk on March 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Shallow words from a shallow mind. The grown-ups have been handling the “testing” every day for quite awhile now. A typical self-righteous, egomaniacal statement from the intellects of the left.

GD on March 21, 2009 at 8:13 PM

I believe Mystery Babylon is ALL the systems of man.

Queen0fCups on March 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I appreciate your interest in solving the puzzle, but I don’t see Scripture supporting your theory. Who is Mystery Babylon? As I mentioned before I believe it is the United States. We have clues to draw from Scripture. Here are a few. The Bible says that Mystery Babylon will be the wealthiest nation on earth and responsible for making the whole world rich:

“Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.” Revelation 18:2-4

Mystery Babylon is also referred to as the Great Whore:

“The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (America is the world’s melting pot).” Revelation 17:15

The woman was called a prostitute because she abandoned God for profit. Revelation 18:10-14 proclaims that they will sell or do anything for profit. When it is destroyed, “the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more” (Revelation 18:11).

America once spread the Gospel throughout the world. MANY people came to God! But, America itself fell from the truth. America was founded by God-fearing men and women, yet today we find something very different. We find this nation responsible for producing much of the pornography, materialism, and hedonism, in the world. What does all this mean, and what are the believers to do? As always, God warns his people not to compromise with the Babylonian system but to separate from it:

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4

Forsake her everyone. For her punishment is near. It sure sounds like America. In the end this country will be completely destroyed:

“Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.” Revelation 18:10

These are some of the reasons I am convinced that Mystery Babylon is the United States.

apacalyps on March 21, 2009 at 9:00 PM

My goodness, what has Hot Air come to. Is HA now a religious blog? As for the democrats and RINOS – Stultum est queri de adversis, ubi culpa est tua. Maybe one of our religious experts can translate that for you.

Old Country Boy on March 21, 2009 at 9:15 PM

I loves me some affirmative action prezidents!!

jukin on March 21, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Its funny Ed how Obama’s top 2 defense officials are Bob Gates, Bushies secretary too, and General James Jones, Marine Corps. With these 2 advising Obama you wittle conservatives can quit hiding underneath your beds, and come out and play with the grownups. Funny how Obama hasn’t held back on drones hitting targets over Pakistan, or has your selective memory forgotten that? Or the same president sending 17,000 more troops to Afhganistan, selective memory on that one too?

Be patient my friend; he’s getting around to screwing up the War on Terror Man Made Disaster Makers as quickly as he can. You can’t expect him to talk down the economy, demonize success, usher in Socialism on a wave of economic panic and totally reverse American Foreign Policy simultaneously, can you? I bet even Saul Alinsky took a break to bowl a few frames, or fill out his Brackets.

Of course facts have never mattered to conservatives, to conservatives facts are whatever Rush said. So spare me the concern, its pathetic.

athensboy on March 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Congratulations! You’ve said the ‘Magic Talking Point Word of the Week” and have now won an autographed copy of “Dreams of My Father who Bailed on Me, not that it affected my emotional development, self image or ego in any way”

Red State State of Mind on March 21, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Joe Biden, rainman.
That’s probably an insult to the rainman character, sorry.

mad scientist on March 21, 2009 at 9:48 PM

I loves me some affirmative non-action prezidents!!

jukin on March 21, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Better.

TN Mom on March 21, 2009 at 9:53 PM

athensboy.

I think I see the problem here. Come back when you are athensman.

Star20 on March 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM

BZ — all 10 right in the X ring!!!!

bullseye on March 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Podesta, Soros, et. al, are the ones pulling the strings in this administration. They could care less if the US stands through all this chaos, in fact it is their chaos that we are experiencing. Pelosi, Reid and company are in it for the power and the money and have not the brains to see who is really doing what; they don’t care as long as they “feel” they are winning.

We can talk about Bush all day long but he is no longer a factor. We can talk about BHO all day long but he is a puppet and not a factor except as a front man. All this is going on and Soros is getting richer and richer while your 401K is going into the toilet. Podesta put in place all the high tech communications that we witness every day; in fact many of the posters on this site are probably his people doing his bidding and we give them credence.

Wake up to what is going on behind the curtain because that is the real game and right now the general public is losing big time.

Pardonme on March 21, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Obama’s not a President. He just plays one on TV.

TheBigOldDog on March 21, 2009 at 1:47 PM

+1000

IrishEyes on March 21, 2009 at 11:09 PM

“A message to all the naive bastards that voted for Obama.
GO F#CK YOURSELVES!!
BayCon on March 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM”

Double to the conservatives who “sat this one out.”

exhelodrvr on March 21, 2009 at 11:22 PM

I believe Mystery Babylon is ALL the systems of man.

Queen0fCups on March 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM

I appreciate your interest in solving the puzzle, but I don’t see Scripture supporting your theory. Who is Mystery Babylon? As I mentioned before I believe it is the United States. We have clues to draw from Scripture. Here are a few. The Bible says that Mystery Babylon will be the wealthiest nation on earth and responsible for making the whole world rich:

“Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.” Revelation 18:2-4

Mystery Babylon is also referred to as the Great Whore:

“The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (America is the world’s melting pot).” Revelation 17:15
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apacalyps on March 21, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Sorry, but I don’t buy any of it. “Peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues” strongly implies a multinational organization, not a melting pot. And in Biblical terms, “whore” almost always implies false religion and false doctrine. The U.S., by contrast, is secular where it counts. While we have many religious groups in this country which take advantage of their freedom to export their doctrines across the world, they are not all tied together into one “Babylon,” and they have no backing from the U.S. as a whole.

Also, this Babylon religion has relationships with multiple kings and rulers across the world. Presumably, the religion supports the rulers and the rulers support the religion.

You could make an excellent case for Islam to be “Babylon,” but it’s really way off topic for a blog such as this.

Back on topic, no need to fear the world with Obama in charge. If a nation starts to get too dangerous with us, he’ll stop them cold by playing the race card!

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Evidently that is the case, but I’m wondering about the logic of allowing Russian combat aircraft overfly US Navy warships. If they intended to strike, that is what they would need to do. Approach and fire. Sort of defeats the purpose of having all those layers of protection, ending with the phalanx system if they are going to allow adversaries to literally penetrate and overfly.

So should other countries shoot down our aircraft when we overfly their ships?

Do we really need to start a shooting war just to show we can shoot down their aircraft?

firepilot on March 22, 2009 at 1:16 AM

Why would any of our adversaries test 0bama militarily? All they have to do is wait a bit longer and our economic system will collapse and they can win w/o firing a shot. It’ll be interesting to see how the markets will start to react in a few hours to 0bama’ intention to restrict pay.

Lou Budvis on March 22, 2009 at 2:27 AM

Remember, the armed forces will defend this country to the last breath – and they have a tremendous arsenal and the will to use it

Let em try. Let em come see how far they get.

EricPWJohnson on March 22, 2009 at 2:39 AM

Maybe “The Chin” should have tried to book Putin on his show at the same time as Obama.

lwssdd on March 22, 2009 at 5:26 AM

Well when Russia and China bomb the libtards cities, like NY, DC and LA, 3/4 of Barry’s voters will be dead. We can then take this country back. Sucks to live there.

Mercy4Me on March 22, 2009 at 7:00 AM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

That’s a joke, right? It begins! To justify Obama spending Q-zillions of dollars, they harken back to Bush’s expenditures. Now, instead of slamming bush for every military action that he took on, they’re justifying Obama being a freaking wimp for every thing Bush DIDN’T take on.

Is Obama his own man or just the anti-Bush? I guess it depends on the day.

Obama’s a freaking joke and will be an absolute failure. No way out of it now.

Oink on March 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM

China and Russia couldn’t care less about military engagement. They are merely grabbing headlines with buzzing ships and the like. Its all about economics in this century. They will watch with glee as Obamas spending coupled with anti business and anti energy policies impoverish our nation.

Nozzle on March 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Funny and there’s Carter seen slithering around the White House. Bomma probably told him to get out and leave him alone. lol. On the flip ide, maybe Jimmy can get in there are kick some thugs out that Bomma seems to have trouble escoting out himself. Get ‘em Jimmy. Save the party. It won’t be worth a damn once Bommie is done with ya.

johnnyU on March 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Sorry, but I don’t buy any of it.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 21, 2009 at 11:53 PM

I’m not trying to sell anything. And If I’ve said something that contradicts Scripture I urge you, no, I plead with you, reject it. Exercise your judgment and “Try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1); and if you are led to disregard that America being Mystery Babylon – a suggestion that I consider to be true – then forsake it; do not hear it preached, believe what you see to be God’s word. I can say no more before I go forward from here.

“Peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues” strongly implies a multinational organization, not a melting pot.

Now is where I disagree with you. I do not believe that you have studied this topic in detail. Remember, the Bible says, “No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” in 2 Peter 1:20. You gotta check all the verses together before you get a doctrine, alright. Let’s look at the verse again:

“The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (America is the world’s melting pot).” Revelation 17:15

You said this verse “implies a multinational organization.” I think you are getting religious and political Babylon mixed up. Future political Babylon is the United States. There is also a religious side to the empire, but we won’t chase that rabbit today. Look at the Scripture below. This is talking about a country that is the greatest commercial profit center of its time. No other nation can even be compared to its great wealth. The other nations will become rich due to their trade with this country. The merchants (businessmen) of this nation were revered around the world. Commerce will be devastated when it is destroyed. There will be great global loss both politically and financially. And something else important; this is not a landlocked country. It is surrounded by water as noted above, “The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth..” They will be delivering massive amounts of imported and exported goods through their waterways. Remember, the world is made rich through their enourmous trade and imports by ship. They will have major shipping lanes and be importing goods from all over the world. Mystery Babylon will be seen as the greatest economic power in the last days and many nations will be brought to financial devastation when they are destroyed.

“And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.” Revelation 18:16-19

These verse do not speak of an organization. This is an economic powerhouse destroyed in the last days with great consequences for the rest of the world. We haven’t even looked at the other Scripture yet to further strengthen this. I don’t have time to answer the rest of your message as I have limited time right now. I would like to though. Maybe later today. Thank you.

apacalyps on March 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I agree, Nozzle…..just sit back and wait.

AnninCA on March 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Of course facts have never mattered to conservatives, to conservatives facts are whatever Rush said. So spare me the concern, its pathetic.

athensboy on March 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM

What is pathetic is sodomites sneaking into the grown-ups meeting room. Go peddle yourself somewhere else, deviant.

apacalyps on March 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM

You are on the right track. But the real question is whether a particular individual is one of “His people.” Hoping that it is true is way too risky for my taste – I want a guarantee that I personally am to be saved.

Otherwise, it’s . . . just words.

platypus on March 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM

You are on the right track.

platypus on March 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM

About half way through the 7 year tribulation period Satan is defeated and cast out of heaven and onto the earth. He then posesses a man (a political leader) known as antichrist. At this point, the earth becomes his new battleground and what turns out to be the beginning of the end of America. This is when America will be destroyed. The antichrist will turn on America and launch an all out nuclear attack. Satan will not stand to be ruled over by any man or nation. God, at this time, uses the antichrist and his ten-nation kingdom to exact judgement on this wicked nation. The destruction will be so catastrophic that no one survives and the land is unfit to live on:

“And the ten horns (“ten horns” represents the antichrist and his ten-nation kingdom – some believe the ten nations come out of the EU [led by a future EU president]) which thou sawest upon the beast (beast is another name for antichrist), these shall hate the whore (America), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire (America burns from a full scale nuclear attack). For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom (America) unto the beast (antichrist), until the words of God shall be fulfilled.” Revelation 17:16-17

But the real question is whether a particular individual is one of “His people.” Hoping that it is true is way too risky for my taste – I want a guarantee that I personally am to be saved.

“Come out of her (America), my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Revelation 18:4

I think the warning, “come out of her, my people,” could also be a warning for all people, not only Christian men and women who have been so willing to accept the world and compromise with the sin of Babylon (America exports immorality, pornography, materialism). As always, God warns his people not to compromise with the Babylonian system but to separate from it. As to your other comment about salvation, we can know we are saved and have Gods Spirit living in us when we love what He loves and desire to do His will, and have a hunger for His Word, a love for other believers, and a burden for the lost. The Holy Spirit also confirms in our spirit that we are now the children of God (Romans 8:16). See also 1 John 5:12-13. Take comfort in this.

Now, everything I am saying here must be in the Bible if it is to be true. I wanna be clear about something. I am not anti-American. I’m not anti-anything. I’m for truth. Period. And I love the American people very much and want to get as many saved as possible. As eluded to earlier, the world is becoming more and more arrogant about their provocations towards America. I’m referring to America being Babylon spoken of in the Scriptures. That is my theory on how this could play out based on my study of the Scriptures and listening to Bible scholars. Thank you.

apacalyps on March 22, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Peachy.
Obuma! has testosterone level of a ripe peach and the fuzz to prove it.

Christine on March 22, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343 on March 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

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Nothing = Putting US destroyers into the Black Sea to escort a load of military supplies to Georgia. Offer to loan Georgia a squadron of F-22s. Signing a treaty with former Soviet puppet states to provide Defense against Russian aggression.
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What does reading a speech off a teleprompter in a baritone voice, equal?

darktood on March 23, 2009 at 1:43 AM

Double to the conservatives who “sat this one out.”

exhelodrvr

Up to now, I’ve been willing to go easy on the Republicans and Conservatives (not necessarily the same) who refused to hold their noses and vote for McCain. I told myself I was voting for Sarah and against socialism, so it was pretty easy, really.
But they do deserve much of the “credit” for what we are all facing now. I hope they sleep well when they finally come to terms with that. McCain may have taken baby steps toward socialism. Ogabe has made olympic-sized leaps.
Repairing this may take generations, if it’s even possible.

SKYFOX on March 23, 2009 at 5:45 AM

Russians bombed Georgia and bush did nothing. If anything the only sissy here is Bush

nice343

obamas plan was for the georgians to stop shooting and to let the un security council, which russia has a veto on BTW to handle it. If obama had been cinc at the time, the russians would have all of Geogria today.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Oh and BTW Bush is no longer President. obama is.

sonofdy on March 23, 2009 at 9:44 AM

The Vincennes shot down the airbus because they thought the airliner has a hostile flight profile, like they were preparing to launch a missile at the ship.

We are not going to shoot down a foreign aircraft just because it is close to one of our ships in international waters.

firepilot on March 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

The Vincennes was also in hostile waters, another US ship had been attacked just a few hours earlier. So they had the trip wire set a lot tighter.

MarkTheGreat on March 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I find it interesting that a bunch of you blame the republicans and some conservatives for our present problems because they didn’t hold their collective noses and vote for McCain, therefore Obama was elected. I personally have much contempt for the purists and self-identified conservative pharisees that witheld their votes.

However, yours is typical marxist/liberal/democrat reasoning. The crook never does anything wrong. Society made him do it. Society is guilty, not the crook, because society did not stop the crook.

Every once in a while I see a comment about this blog’s adult discussion. Well, I don’t see much of that here lately.

Old Country Boy on March 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM

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