Shall we forgive Kathleen Soliah?
posted at 11:35 am on March 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Kathleen Soliah’s return to Minnesota this week after serving seven years for murder and terrorism in California has prompted a debate over the quality of forgiveness. Doug Grow at MinnPost took aim at those who demanded that Soliah remain in California for her parole. Noting that relocations in parole are not terribly unusual, Grow took potshots at Governor Tim Pawlenty’s faith for opposing her return:
Sen. Gary Kubly, DFL-Granite Falls, is the one legislator who did not duck the challenge posed by Brod and Pawlenty. He is a Lutheran pastor, and he believes forgiveness must be a consideration for all of us. What he heard when he listened to Brod and the governor was a call for “retribution.”
“It pushed my hot button,” said Kubly of the efforts to prevent Olson from returning home. “She led an exemplary life here [in St. Paul] for 20 years. This is where her family is. She’s paid her debt to society … We get into making all sorts of judgments. This person deserves forgiveness. This person doesn’t deserve. The truth is, we all need it.”
Kubly admits, with a smile, to being perplexed by the theology of Pawlenty, a regular church attender.
“I felt like if his church is supporting his position on this, then, he ought to find one that doesn’t,” said Kubly.
I guess Kubly missed that part of the Bible where Jesus warns others not to judge the status of another’s faith. Maybe it’s Kubly that should find another church, or stick to matters of public affairs. Grow never bothers to challenge that notion in his column, mostly because it fits within his view of the Soliah case, and it makes a nice and totally irrelevant billy club. Parole isn’t a religious experience, and Minnesota shouldn’t be on the hook for monitoring Soliah — who hid out in Minnesota for more than 20 years from murder and terrorism charges. Grow never uses the word “murder” once in his column in connection with Soliah.
Eric Ostermeier at the University of Minnesota’s Smart Politics blasts Grow in response:
While Grow subtly excuses Olson/Soliah’s association with the SLA as occurring, “During those turbulent times in the nation,” one might think she was just a young lost soul, searching for political idealism in a disorderly world. But this was not the Summer of Love. And Olson/Soliah was not a teenager when she committed these crimes. In fact, she was not 20 years old. Or 22. Or 25. In April 1975, at the time of the deadly Crocker National Bank robbery, Olson/Soliah was more than 28 years old.
Finally, Grow’s attempt to conflate Olson/Soliah with every other ‘ordinary’ criminal that gets paroled, falls flat due to that one tricky part of her personal history – the 24 years she spent as a fugitive from justice. Olson/Soliah, you see, was able to profit during her life as a fugitive under her new identity of Sara Jane Olson. By escaping justice for 24 years, she built a family and the trust and love of her community – something she may never have enjoyed had she been captured prior to leading this double-life. …
In calling on Minnesotans to forgive Olson/Soliah, Grow’s column displays the height of arrogance in its suggestion that it is the obligation or moral duty of the State of Minnesota, its elected leaders, or its residents, to not simply exercise this power of forgiveness in the Olson/Soliah case, but to suggest they even possess the right or power to forgive her in the first instance.
For it is only the victims of Olson/Soliah’s criminal activity who truly have the power to forgive her, not warm-hearted Minnesotans or columnists like Doug Grow, and Grow made no reference in his article to the views held by the LAPD or the Opsahl family on her parole (or of any attempt by him to contact them).
Read both articles in full; they’re lengthy, and excerpting doesn’t capture the breadth or skilled writing of either.
As Eric points out, parole isn’t about “forgiveness”. Even if it was, Minnesotans didn’t get victimized by the SLA and Soliah; Californians did. Her parole is designed to get her out of prison early in a supervised environment, and California should be responsible for providing that supervision if they want her out of prison. Passing her off to Minnesota is a cheap way out for the Golden State. If they didn’t want to supervise her parole, they should have left her in prison.
But there’s another, more basic problem with Grow’s argument. Eric points out that Soliah was no ordinary criminal, but misses how she’s exceptional. Soliah and her revolutionary ilk tried foisting political change through violence, terrorism, and intimidation. It attacked the very heart of our self-governing democratic republic. The SLA and other terrorist groups of the time (including Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground) knew that their radical politics put them on the fringe of thought, and that they couldn’t hope to convince people to follow them. Instead, they attacked our institutions and threatened war on the state of California and the US. They advocated the violent overthrow of the US, and made several attempts at it, murdering a bank teller in the process and only missing out on murdering police officers through their own incompetence.
They were no better than al-Qaeda then, and they’re no better than al-Qaeda now.
Soliah should have been locked up for life. The only remorse she’s shown is her sorrow over getting caught. She doesn’t belong in Minnesota, or for that matter, in California either, except behind bars. She can seek forgiveness and have it, but forgiveness does not wipe away the temporal consequences of one’s acts … as any Christian church teaches, except apparently Kubly’s and Grow’s.










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I bet other citizens of Kalifornia will be asking how to get on this parole program as an easy way to get out of Kalifornia.
WashJeff on March 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Maybe she can hook up with the freed Guantanamo inmates.
pseudonominus on March 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM
No!
rsl775 on March 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM
FIFY
bluelightbrigade on March 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM
this is a big HELL NO…put the witch in a hole and throw dirt on her sorry terrorist a**.
hawkman on March 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM
No,she also wanted to,
KaBlewy two police cars as well!!
She was a Terrorist,or still is!!!
I`m sure the MSM will call her a
political freedom fighter!!
And maybe Hopey will invite her to the
White House,I`m sure Ayers,and Dorhns
have a lot to catch up on with Kathleen
Soliah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on March 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Nope, and if she comes to Eagan, I’ll dog her like the cur she is and was. That goes for Holder’s GITMO slugs, too
MNDavenotPC on March 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM
She might have gotten off lightly at her first sentencing hearing, but then she shot her mouth off to the press on how she didn’t regret what she did. After her lawyer had had her give a pretty speech to the judge on how sorry she was.
That got her re-sentenced. And I doubt she’s any more sorry for what she did (as opposed to being sorry for being caught) than before.
Wethal on March 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM
No.
Jim-Rose on March 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Forgive? She served 7 years for murder, how bout they forgive her by dropping her in a deep pit for a few more decades.
Rbastid on March 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Relax everyone. The worst that could come out of this deal is that she’ll get a ton of federal dollars to put on liberal artsy object lesson plays and movies extolling the virtues of her ideology which she couldn’t quite seem to get across with bombs. I really don’t know what the big deal is.
hawkdriver on March 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM
150 years ago ahe’s be killed by victim’s family members and no one would blink an eye.
larvcom on March 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM
No.
Neither Kathleen Soliah or Kathleen Parker should be forgiven.
Norwegian on March 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I’m sorry, but her victim gets no parole. Why should she? I just cannot wrap my brain around the concept of murderers getting to walk the streets again with the rest of us. I guess I’m just a very BAD christian, because I could never feel any forgiveness for this wretch nor any of her ilk.
She has not paid her debt to society in the least…
mauioriginal on March 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Could you imagine if this country treated people who blow up abortion clinics the same as they treat these lefty terrorists. They should all be executed, no matter what side of the political spectrum they are doing their terrorist acts for.
MDWNJ on March 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Negative.
apco on March 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Forgiveness presumes remorse.
Our Little Terrorist is a narcissistic sociopath. She lives to Game the system.
Send her the hell back to California.
Bruno Strozek on March 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Forgivness is NOT the same thing as forgetting (that famous adage is NOT from the Bible).
Forgiveness is refraining from seeking “payment” for the “wrong.”
Forgiveness, scripturally speaking, concerns the ‘debt’ between people and between us and God. It doesn’t speak to the repercussions owed to governments.
Also, forgiving a person does NOT mean putting yourself in a position where that person can continue to hurt/take advantage of you.
Any way you slice it, the issue here is NOT about forgiveness or the application (or mis-application) of faith.
And let us note that Ms. Soliah (like some other aging 60′s terrorists) has not shown much (if any!) remorse for her actions. If she showed true repentance I would be more inclined to side with her.
But by casting it as “youthful indiscretion” she and her enablers are thumbing their noses at the rest of us.
Religious_Zealot on March 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM
As a born again Christian, I’ve learned that forgiveness can only follow confession which involves true repentance (from the Latin word “turn away” or “turn around”) and remorse.
Soliah/Olson has done neither.
An “I’m sorry” isn’t even close to an apology or confession let alone repentance.
I’ve tangled with Doug Grow before.
This “let’s have a group hug and go on with our lives” crap is something he’s done may times before before he was let go from the Stribune.
Amendment X on March 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM
to put on liberal artsy object lesson…
hawkdriver on Mar 19,2009 at 11:49AM.
hawkdriver: I`m thinking of that cross in the mason jar
full of pee!!
Liberal artsy,an all!!haha:)
canopfor on March 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Great point. Imagine the media reaction to someone inviting Eric Rudolph to open a rod and gun club with them in their hometown after he’s paroled.
hawkdriver on March 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Hey now! The One will be releasing other terrorists. Why not Kathleen Soliah?
Birds of a feather …
DannoJyd on March 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM
God might forgive her but i will never forgive her.
7 years on a 14 year Sentence and only 1 year of parole? Shouldnt she be on parole for another 7 years?
Mojack420 on March 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM
She’ll probably be given a job by the lefties teaching at the U of M on prison reform or something.
Wethal on March 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM
It is only the aggrieved who can forgive an act, not a society that was unaffected by said actions.
Terrorism: the last tool of a retched and deplorable soul.
theboss on March 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Now Playing: Sister Soliah and the AIG Bombadeers
Rovin on March 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Why pick on her?
After all, Bomber Billy Ayers is Osama Obama’s tight buddyroo…and the child-president has assured us that all that nasty stuff these
traitorsPatriotic Revolutionaries did happened a long, long time ago.MrScribbler on March 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Simple question, simple answer: NO.
No, in the nicest “BURN IN HELL, SCUMBAG!” tone possible, of course!
dmh0667 on March 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Great argument for the death penalty.
echosyst on March 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I wonder if the Teleprompter will tell Hopey
its a bad idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on March 19, 2009 at 11:58 AM
We had a saying in the Corps that” only God forgives and we’ll arrange the meeting”… seems apropos here.
MNDavenotPC on March 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Eh. We all know what will happen, and how it will be spun by the ultraconformist media. And how completely opposite the reaction would be if the murderer in question had been motivated by right-wing politics instead of left-wing ones.
It no longer matters. Leftist corruption has won. All our institutions, formal and informal, are tainted and cannot be trusted.
To half of the country that’s considered a tremendous victory of course.
Gilda on March 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Nope.
Who’s next, John Walker Lindh?
rbj on March 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM
As long as we don’t call Soliah FAT, the Dems will be happy.
TRYING TO MURDER our POLICE.
WHY should she get ANY favors from California?
originalpechanga on March 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I hear Acorn is hiring
Itchee Dryback on March 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Not forgiven. Should have been executed.
slednfool on March 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM
1. She’s not asking for forgiveness.
2. It’s up to Myrna Opsahl and the polcie she tried to murder to forgive her — not us. I only want to punish and stigmatize her for life.
3. There is no crime that a leftard can commit that isn’t forgiven by leftards. Not just forgiven, but rewarded.
Blake on March 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Seven years for murder. No, no, no, and hell no.
Johan Klaus on March 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Should have never been released. ~B
Brian on March 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM
From Wikipedia:
You don’t say!
SlimyBill on March 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Release her in Juarez wearing a law & order t-shirt.
Limerick on March 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM
How true this is. Ends-means, Mao, Che, Lenin and all that. Not just forgiven, but fashionable!
Also still true on a pettier scale, just take a look at the corrupt criminal Congressional Democrats.
Gilda on March 19, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Kathy Soliah/Sarah Jane Olson and Bernardine Dorhn.
mchristian on March 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM
It’s either the stupid linky thing or operator error. Google the two bitches.
mchristian on March 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Did anybody else substitute Sebelius for Soliah when they read the headline?
Just A Grunt on March 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM
the heinous nature of the crime plus the creepy,
1,000-yard stare indicating either zero brain wave activity or no remorse/no repent say No.
Mike D. on March 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Either the link thing is not working or I am unable to operate it. Google Soliah and Dohrn.
mchristian on March 19, 2009 at 12:33 PM
After she entered her plea, she went into the hallway and told the media that she was innocent and lied when she said she was guilty. The judge heard about it, and hauled her ass back into court and made her admit that she was guilty. A couple of months later, she tried to withdraw her plea, pissing the judge off more. It all goes to show, what a snotty little prima donna she is.
Unfortunately, they sentenced her to concurrent time on the Sacramento case. She should have gotten a consecutive sentence. It was a bank robbery and murder, for crissakes.
Blake on March 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Forgive?
Is she a product of Nature or Nurture? I get in this argument with my sister who is literally a genius. I mean her IQ is that high. My sister insist on “Nature”. I think people are a product of both. My sister insist you’re coded genetically, your behavior is preordained. I argue that a person’s nature can be modified with nurturing. This is one of those arguments that goes in circles if a person argues say they were brainwashed..my sister would comeback with that is because they are susceptible, they are wired that way, many people don’t succumb to brainwashing.
Above Woman in the Post, appears to be an example of Beast vs Human. Don’t let them fool you just because they are walking upright. It takes more then walking erect, a brain stem, opposable thumbs, and hair bearing, to make you a human being.
Forgive Her, It doesn’t matter, being forgiven by society is different then being forgiven by the Law…. example you can be forgiven by Religious Clerics…..the Law is a little more hard nosed.
Dr Evil on March 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Ahh, not to pick nits. but you forgot to mention instant tenure at most institution of higher “learning” in the United Socialst States of Amerika.
oldleprechaun on March 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM
There’s a wonderful old saying..I don’t know where I heard it and I don’t want to ruin it by looking it up. Might be a movie quote and I’ve probably forgotten some of it but it goes something like:
Forgiveness is up to God. All we should do is arrange the meeting.
austinnelly on March 19, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Agreed. Who knows? Maybe she’ll meet with some unfortunate accident. Just saying.
J.J. Sefton on March 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I’m going to forgive her immediately after she finishes paying her debt to society. When’s her execution again?
Laura in Maryland on March 19, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Nope.
sinsing on March 19, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Hopey the 8th dwarf, could give her a cabinet position as minister of fugitives.
Either that or put her in a donkey show.
Kuffar on March 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Maybe Grow needs to understand this piece of scripture: “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.” – Galatians 6:7
She sowed evil and terror and is trying to avoid the harvest season.
Religious_Zealot on March 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Soliah’s palm print was on the garage door where the SLA stored the getaway car for the Crocker National Bank robbery and murder. If that’s the only time the SLA ever used that garage, then participating in that robbery can be the only reason for Soliah’s print being there. It was exactly where someone closing the door would leave it.
RBMN on March 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM
This “thing” is beneath contempt. There is no way that she should be walking the streets.
Those like Grow, that think, “Oh well, over and done with” should be accorded the same contempt.
Forgive and forget? Has the murder victims’ family forgotten their loss?
Good for Pawlenty and the police chief for trying to stop her return.
Proudvet on March 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Well, he is right, we can forgive her…if she had committed the sin against us.
The whole idea of (spritual) forgiveness is to ask forgiveness from the offended party.
In this case, she has every right to go to the offending party and ask forgiveness.
That is where most Christians who are opposed to the death penalty drop the ball…do you think that God overlooked the part where the offending party is dead, therefore the only way to ask forgiveness from them to to join them? God knew what he was doing when He stated “Thou shall not murder”, then said the offender could be forgiven if he asks for it from the offended party.
The only sin that guarantees the death penalty is murder…so yes, she should be given the chance for total forgiveness.
right2bright on March 19, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Myrna Opsahl is unavailable for comment. Seeing that she’s been DEAD for over 20 years.
GarandFan on March 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Forgiveness is up to God.
Let her serve her full sentence!
old trooper2 on March 19, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Is she going to be hired by the Annenburg Foundation?
kingsjester on March 19, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Someone else commented but there are other examples of people who have escaped justice like this woman and then they are to be given credit for their “good” behavior. My guess from hearing Sirhan Sirhan or James Earl Ray is that apart from their act of assassination these guys could have went on to live peaceful lives like Soliah. I don’t see any difference in the sudden turn Soliah made to go “normal” and the potential for these guys to decide they were done with being a radical and turn. Now, given those facts were those 2 guys given parole? No, they didn’t get the chance to demonstrate they could be good citizens. I say you can’t take “good behavior” of people who have had the chance to demonstrate it by fleeing justice and people who never got that chance because they are in jail. It is funny how there is two different mindsets about what probably are not 2 different sets of personalities.
Conan on March 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Better yet, drop her off in a DEA windbreaker and hat.
thomasaur on March 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM
No.
irongrampa on March 19, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Dear Minnesota,
Please take care of our ex-murdering ex-bombing ex-terrorist, Kathleen Soliah. I didn’t want to give her up, but an anal malfunction deposited her on your doorstep. Remember that forgiveness in our secular world is based on completion of punishment, and her punishment is not yet complete — she has failed to bring Myrna Opsahl back to life.
Sincerely,
California
unclesmrgol on March 19, 2009 at 1:37 PM
…..anything short of hanging the bitch is unacceptable!
try again later on March 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM
The status of Soliah’s faith has nothing to do with whether she should be punished in this life or not.
baldilocks on March 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM
As I understand it, California did not decide that Ms. Soliah would relocate to Minnesota for her parole, Ms. Soliah requested it. Minnesota agreed to accept her as part of an interstate agreement governing such cases.
If Minnesota does not want to supervise California parolees, the government should withdraw from the agreement.
dirc on March 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Perhaps Chicago could use another professor of higher learning.
elderberry on March 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Maybe we could throw her under Obama’s bus. If there’s any room left under there, that is.
Mike H on March 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM
I think we should give her a bailout.
bloggless on March 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Probably the Obama administration will announce tomorrow that they have created a new cabinet level post for her and that she will be responsible for setting up and running the half-way house for the Gitmo Gang
el rey on March 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
We will forgive her, after she’s been given a fair trial and hung by the neck until dead, dead, dead.
Deal?
NoDonkey on March 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
i believe in forgiveness
IF IF the person has REPENTED
TURNED AWAY..
ALL of these LEFTIST TERRORISTS BEING LET LOOSE by
obama NONE OF THEM REPENTED
hell no aires is still out there wishing he could have done more damamge
if i see these creeps i wont guarantee you they will make it to the end of the street..
Amercians dont like terrorists
Islamic or Leftist …
Even right wing ones like mcvey we killed..
and rightly so..
jcila on March 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Lets not quibble about forgiveness…the only true forgiver is the Good Lord….everything/everybody else is just conversation. That being the case, how about a little rendering unto Caesar. Throw the lass back in prison and feed her a steady diet of pickle brine and salted goobers. Give her some mandatory “conjugal” time with some of the more unpleasant fellows at pelican bay.
paulsmos on March 19, 2009 at 3:31 PM
NFW
Wade on March 19, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Woman hung like a man
Wade on March 19, 2009 at 3:47 PM
She spent 24 years of her the prime years in her life (ages 28-52)escaping justice and freely living her life and even after being sent to prison is able to eat, read, smell, breath, sleep, dream, and masterbate in jail while her victims got to spend those same years in a cold grave. Forgivness? How about some justice?
Dollayo on March 19, 2009 at 4:28 PM
HER VICTIMS ARE IN THE GROUND!!!–The dead can’t be contacted and they certainly can’t forgive.
Dollayo on March 19, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Gee, what a surprise, Doug Grow supporting a hate America firster.
RJL on March 19, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Absolutely not. Bombings, maiming, murder, and attempted murder isn’t a kid thing. She participated in this type of behavior, took off and hid. Got caught, now must pay the price!
byteshredder on March 19, 2009 at 6:02 PM
There is no evidence that she stopped.
darktood on March 19, 2009 at 10:38 PM
I guess that people who don’t face life or the death penalty ever manage to find Jesus in prison?
Mysterious…
Dr. ZhivBlago on March 19, 2009 at 11:05 PM