Time magazine: Treasury knew about AIG bonuses 10 days sooner than thought
posted at 5:35 pm on March 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Only three possibilities here. One: Geithner found out about the bonuses as soon as his staff did and lied about it to Congress. Two: Geithner told Congress the truth but, thanks to the understaffing crisis at Treasury, it now takes 10 days for politically important matters to trickle up to the secretary’s desk. Three: Geithner told the truth and there’s no understaffing crisis, but his staff’s so incompetent that they didn’t realize this was a priority when they found out.
Which of the three is most worrisome?
Though Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told Congressional leaders Tuesday he only learned of the impending $160 million bonus payments to members of AIG’s troubled financial products unit March 10, sources tell TIME that the New York Federal Reserve informed Treasury staff that the payments were imminent on February 28. That is 10 days before Treasury staffers say they first learned “full details” of the bonus plan, and three days before the Administration launched a new $30 billion infusion of cash for AIG.
“Treasury staff was informed about the new bonuses in a Feb. 28 memo that the March 15 [bonus payment] date was upcoming,” a Federal Reserve source tells Time. A Treasury department source, speaking on background, confirms the e-mail memo and its contents, and says further, “Everybody knew that [AIG] had a retention issue.”…
The Treasury department official says the fault appears to lie with career staffers at the department, who failed to report the imminent bonus deadline up the chain to Geithner. This failure may be a by-product of the difficulty he has had staffing up at Treasury. But Geithner still has some personal vulnerability on the issue. It was he, as head of the New York Federal Reserve, who negotiated the AIG bailout last September. At that time, he could have sought to get bonuses repealed as part of the massive government loan.
Time claims the memo from the New York Fed on February 28 went so far as to emphasize that the bonuses were a hot-button issue — and still, no action in D.C. for 10 days. Meanwhile, via Tom Maguire, a nugget from today’s hearing points toward theory one, i.e. that Geithner might indeed have lied. Quote:
1:47: Rep. Scott Garrett (R., N.J.) asks more about the timeline. Liddy said that talking last week to Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, Geithner indicated he learned about the bonus issue the prior week. That appears to conflict with the timeline put forth by the Obama administration, saying Geithner only learned last Tuesday (March 10).
Exit question: Is this the last straw for TurboTax Tim? Heart-ache.
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Hey Allah, the Barney Frank thread needs a serious cleanup.
SnarkVader on March 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM
The last straw…. Geithner needs to go pronto
Norwegian on March 18, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Geithner should have been gone already. Bring on Warren Buffett.
SnarkVader on March 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM
He really knew about them in September. Why only 10 days sooner?
lorien1973 on March 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Dodd on CNN right now saying the administration made him change his own language in the bill.
crash72 on March 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Glad to see the Maguire link. He has been on fire on these issues.
Karl on March 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Could be. Barry hates a liar almost as much as a tax cheat.
a capella on March 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Meanwhile, Obama hits the road for tent revivals. Gotta sell that snakeoil.
BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Deception might be less dangerous than incompetence, but none of the three possibilities are pretty. Deception + incompetence might just do us in, though.
ddrintn on March 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM
When did he get a staff? Did I miss out on the confirmations for his deputies?
WashJeff on March 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I think he’s going to the well too often. He ain’t a Reagan to begin with.
ddrintn on March 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Hearing Larry Kudlow’s footsteps? Can you imagine Kudlow beating him in 2010? I hope he runs. He’ll have no trouble raising money.
BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Hope and Change my white buttock
Defector01 on March 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Chris Dodd’s coming on Hardball any minute….Yes, I hate MSNBC with a passion, but I have to hear how Dodd’s going to spin this thing……..
Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Possibility #4: Treasury never read the bill.
Limerick on March 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I saw Rep. Garret on some newsie show (Donnie something or other) last week and he was quite impressive. In the future, when I am digusted by Congress, I shall exempt him.
Oh, an option #2 is much more worrisome.
myrenovations on March 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM
The gang that couldn’t lie straight.
Martin on March 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM
The whole Congress knew…the outrage is a distraction. What a bunch of liars.
becki51758 on March 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM
All of the above.
Knucklehead on March 18, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Pucker up Axlerod/Rhammy
Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Can we change the tea parties to Tim parties and just throw him into the river, sea, lake, ocean, cess pool, etc.
WashJeff on March 18, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Agreed. Geithner was the one who new EVERYTHING about TARP I and was the ONLY PERSON who could hit the ground running at the Treasury.
PappaMac on March 18, 2009 at 5:47 PM
So he is using a hanky to wipe the sweat of the brow during the interview?
WashJeff on March 18, 2009 at 5:47 PM
I was surprised that Wolf asked him who wanted the changes made. I was not surprised that Dodd did not know the names of the Treasury staffers whose direction he followed without question.
rw on March 18, 2009 at 5:47 PM
And Donna Brazile is out of hiding as well, downplaying it as usual, “it’s a distraction.” Wolf Blitzer not buying into that at all.
Someone in Treasury should swing for it.
ProudinNC on March 18, 2009 at 5:48 PM
He’s backpedalling. Said he can’t remember who said what, dragging other amendments into the fray. I throw the BS flag. He’s covering for someone.
ProudinNC on March 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM
How can they MAKE him change his own language in the bill? Don’t change the language. Was Obama going to Veto it if it wasn’t changed? I wouldn’t put it past the administration, but I call BS.
PappaMac on March 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM
I don’t care if it was Dodd’s fault or Obama’s fault as long as the circular firing squad continues.
As long as these idiots are blaming each other, it stays in the news and people will remember that a Democrat screwed up somehow.
teke184 on March 18, 2009 at 5:52 PM
somebody at treasury should swing? well, no one is there save tiny turbo tax tim. and the Secret Service. and they have guns so i like them.
kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Dodd finds “these contracts offensive”, Obama’s staff insited that he pull out the provision in the stimulus/porkulus bill. “Tax them to recoup the money”
Matthew’s: you got a hundred thousand.
Dodd: I think public financing is the answer, I had no idea these problems would crop up with AIG.
Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Possibility #4: Geithner didn’t lie, but when they happened on this, they decided to make it a huge distraction for the rest of their disasterous bailouts!
Possibility #5: Obama knew this all along, but Geithner only found out when he said. Obama made a big deal out of this for distraction and in order for an excuse to throw Geithner under the bus.
Christian Conservative on March 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
White House Computer Chief Once Shoplifted 4 Shirts
Joe Caps on March 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
how come Chris Dodd wouldn’t come on Shep Smith’s show? snort? or Glenn Beck? double snort.
kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
I could have told you Obama was a liar! Come on, people!
apco on March 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
So, Time disputes the timeline, Blitzer is asking actual questions, Hardball is covering it…
Is Journ-o-List not functioning properly?
myrenovations on March 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM
no wonder bambi had to go to california.
kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM
And if we can get a bucket of water on the wicked witch of the west, (Pelosi). Help me….I’m melting…..
Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM
No. No. No. No. No. I am not paying to have these people re-elected by their idiot constituents.
myrenovations on March 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I agree. He offered enough of an excuse to get himself off the hook, but no more. This is horseshit. Maybe he doesn’t know, but Matthews should have asked, who does know.
This person needs to be found and exposed. Congressional conferees aren’t entitled to some kind of privilege akin to attorney-client or priest-penitent. They need to disclose the guilty party.
BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I’ll go with choice 4: We have the biggest set of retards, criminals, and America-haters ever assembled in one place – and they are running the US government.
This junta needs to fall, and fall soon. There is no other way. If left to their devices, these people are going to destroy absolutely everything. They are stupid, wreckless, and nasty.
It’s time for the SCOTUS to start assuming its responsibilities and declare The Precedent ineligible (as he is) and get this ship of state pointed away from the reef that we are being run onto as we speak.
progressoverpeace on March 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Better still, allow Guam fishery employees minimum wage.
Limerick on March 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Dodd inserted the clause that allowed for those bonuses in Obama’s stimulus package on February 11th.
Was Obama that unaware what was in his own signature legislation? Or, more likely, was he aware of the AIG bonus clause then or even before Dodd inserted it?
DarkKnight3565 on March 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Dodd did it and lied about it. He said a Treasury official is involved but could be lying again. He should name the official if he is not lying again.
The distraction continues.
getalife on March 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Riiight. I guess Geithner doesn’t read F/T:
Thursday, November 27, 2008
AIG to pay retention bonuses to executives
Buy Danish on March 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Matthews: “Thank you so much for coming on and clearing up this for us” WHAT!!!!!!!
Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM
No question Geithner lied to Congress about what he knew at the time. Then again, isn’t lying to other liars really like telling the truth? Or am I just thinking outside the box here?
I just bought 436 tea bags, which will be sent to every member of Congress and, of course, the Teleprompter In Chief. I will not include a note or letter in the envelopes, which I think would dilute the message. If all of us and our friends did the same, it might help.
TXUS on March 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Is that the Obama bus I hear coming around the corner?
Say it with me, “This is not the Tim Geither I knew.”
R.J. MacReady on March 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Chrissy Matthews is playing pattycake with Dodd. I missed part of it though. Did anyone catch whether Matthews asked any tough questions? (unlikely I know just curious)
msmveritas on March 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Heh.
progressoverpeace on March 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM
By the way, Geithner has no senior staff. Was Dodd trying to suggest that some career bureaucrat was horning in on conference discussions without Geither’s knowing it?
I’m not buying it.
BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM
I hate it when facts get in the way of the story.
Limerick on March 18, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Barack: These staffers are another example of a problem inherited by my administration. I’ve said before that Tim Geithner is the only person on the face of the planet that has what it takes to run Treasury. And I’m sure that, if he ever gets around to hiring some staff, we won’t see these issues again. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to laugh and have fun with Jay Leno instead of working on some of the serious issues because I’m an idiot.
mctowler on March 18, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Was Tim Geithner actually Lindsay Buckingham at one time?
fogw on March 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Notorious GOP on March 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM
That chain has 17 missing links directly underneath Geithner. And that’s 100% TOTUS’s fault.
Christien on March 18, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Don’t dis L.B. At least he can play a guitar.
PappaMac on March 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM
So if Geithner goes, Teleprompter Jesus is how far back on appointments to the Treasury department??? Quick, it’s time to schedule a visit to Tyra Banks or Oprah!!!
mjk on March 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Heh. I’m a fan.
cheers,
fogw on March 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Barack’s support of Turbo Tim today is akin to Michael Corleone kissing Fredo. Only Tim has less time than Fredo did.
kingsjester on March 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Republican Hypocrites Over AIG Bonuses
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-231892
getalife on March 18, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Um… Geithner was overseeing the Fed in New York WHEN these contracts were being negotiated in the first place.
There is no way he did not know the nature of these contracts more than a YEAR ago. Head of AIG testified today that Geith was in on meetings about AIG, and that Fed folks were at all the board meetings and such where these decisions were made.
The Government knew a LONG time ago about these contracts, and could have done something, but didn’t…. now they are looking for a scape goat in the employees who signed legal contracts…
Its an effort to distract from Government incompetence.
Romeo13 on March 18, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Turbo “Alexander Hamilton” Tax is working vewy vewy hard. Give him a break. TOTUS said he was deluged with work. It’s not like walking and chewing gum at the same time. It’s more like walking, chewing gum and breathing at the same time.
Question: If he’s working so hard, and he’s the only guy on this planet qualified to fix the problem, why is nothing getting done?
fogw on March 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Sorry, the thread is about Treasury knowing about the bonus plan before they said they did. Your strawman will have to wait his turn.
Limerick on March 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM
For all we know, these could be staffers that were longtime holdovers from the previous Democrat Administration. Wouldn’t that be a riot?
Del Dolemonte on March 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM
LOL! First of all, we find this at the very top of the ireport site:
Then we go down to the “story” itself, and find this hilarity:
Keep it up. You’re as funny as the sheetrock guy from Canada.
Del Dolemonte on March 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
sorry, i’ve had my bag limit of liars and fools this week.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on March 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Same old same old. Big campaign contributors get big favors.
scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Great. After shoving Lil’ Tim down our throats, any guesses as to which nincompoop will be next?
TinMan13 on March 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Del Dolemonte on March 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Nicely done. It’s amazing what a little research will accomplish.
kingsjester on March 18, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Not really….Bush had the condom despensers taken out of the heads.
Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Well, she was stupid enough to post the url, obviously without actually reading what she was posting.
Posting links does have consequences. Only took me about 15 seconds to get all that info.
Del Dolemonte on March 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM
As if Republicans are the only party in an uproar over this mess? Come on. Look at Frank, wanting to take names for Chrissakes.
scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM
What did he know and when did he know it?
MB4 on March 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM
This is part of why the MAJORITY of Americans polled said they were against any kind of bailout. But who listens to them? Obviously no one.
scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Nah. Barry just hates the competition.
uncivilized on March 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM
I don’t think it is. The One can’t give up on him because if you remember what The One said He is the only one that can do the job. Bambam can’t give up on him. I think he is stuck. There is noone else that can help us.
Brat4life on March 18, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Okay, Dodd says he put in a limit on bonuses… then under pressure from the treasury (Geitner?) they dropped the requirement that tax money not go for bonuses… And the reasoning is “they” don’t want to get “sued”.
Who is “they”, Congress, the Treasury, the Whitehouse? Who was likely to get sued over that language. Certainly not the Treasury Dept. I mean who would even know what changes the Treasury asked for or didn’t.
It had to be the Congress or the Whitehouse if that was even the reason…
petunia on March 18, 2009 at 6:43 PM
And now Dodd the Democrap admits to writing the provision while Treasury watched.
This is better then Letterman in an unemployment line.
Limerick on March 18, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Oooooo, that needs savored… sigh…
petunia on March 18, 2009 at 6:46 PM
He needs to do that so that like OJ he can search for the real perpetrators.
MB4 on March 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM
How many HOT BUTTON issues are lying around on someone’s desk somewhere?
Yep, Bestest Administration, evah!
GarandFan on March 18, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Thanks, we needed a good giggle around here, tonight.
anniekc on March 18, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Is the honeymoon over? MSM actually paying attention to….news?
Wethal on March 18, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Del Dolemonte on March 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
You da man…
Keemo on March 18, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Four: Geithner knew about the bonuses way back when he was the head of the NY Fed, or
Five: Everyone at the Fed knew except Geithner because he was too incurious about or unaware of how businesses are run.
No matter what it’s a problem.
They didn’t just start talking retention bonuses in the past week. Most companies that are going down the tube or doing mass layoffs give retention bonuses to keep key people in place to wind down the business.
Has Geithner ever worked in the private sector or is he like Obama who has only had university, government or community activist jobs?
Sensible Mom on March 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Hey just because it was in their voicemail doesn’t mean they know about it.
Or
They thought Ehe`yegee’ was a Saint Patrick’s Day greeting.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 18, 2009 at 10:27 PM
What did your man Obama know and when did he know it?
Johan Klaus on March 18, 2009 at 10:34 PM
If franks wants to see who was a cause of the financial collapse, then maybe he should look in the mirror.
Johan Klaus on March 18, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Timorous Geithner looks like a gnat on speed. He inspires anything but confidence.
Entelechy on March 18, 2009 at 10:42 PM
heckuva job, Geithnie!
stevezilla on March 18, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Why should we expect anyone better at Treasury when the guy who heads the advice and consent committee for Treasury in Sen. Dodd?
eaglewingz08 on March 19, 2009 at 8:13 AM
First They tried in breaking contract law
Violating the US constitution
Then when they reralized their DUMB corrupt asses were in the sling.. what did there
MORONS DO?
WHY THEY PASSED
a Personalized puntive TAX
against INDIVIDUAL AMERICANS targeting what they
Legally earned and was PASSED by the MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
I am sorry
but it is almost time for a new REVOLUTIONARY WAR II
but we will need to remove by force
ALL of congress and the house of representatives..
Obama is an idiot
he isnt my president..
Why should i obey them
when they the liberals are tearing our hallowed constitution to shreds..
you MORONS..
YOUR TIME IS COMMING
jcila on March 19, 2009 at 3:11 PM
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