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Are we disarming pilots?

posted at 9:39 am on March 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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After 9/11, the US began a new program allowing airline pilots to arm themselves in order to defend the cockpit against terrorist incursion.  Along with air marshals, the armed pilots formed a last line of defense against hijackings and worse, such as the al-Qaeda actions that killed 3,000 Americans by using commercial jets as guided missiles.  The Washington Times reports that the Obama administration has decided to end the program without letting anyone know about it:

After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.

Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.

The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.

It’s not just a diversion of funds from training, either.  The Times editorial accuses the new administration of hostility towards the program and using bureaucratic red tape to kneecap it.  The pilots who want to defend themselves and their passengers cannot speak out publicly for fear of retribution:

Since Mr. Obama’s election, pilots have told us that the approval process for letting pilots carry guns on planes slowed significantly. Last week the problem went from bad to worse. Federal Flight Deck Officers – the pilots who have been approved to carry guns – indicate that the approval process has stalled out.

Pilots cannot openly speak about the changing policies for fear of retaliation from the Transportation Security Administration. Pilots who act in any way that causes a “loss of confidence” in the armed pilot program risk criminal prosecution as well as their removal from the program. Despite these threats, pilots in the Federal Flight Deck Officers program have raised real concerns in multiple interviews.

The only people wanting to disarm pilots, as the Times notes in its editorial, are anti-gun extremists … and terrorists.  It costs next to nothing to have a pilot arm him/herself.  The $2 million in training directly contributes to airline safety.  Compare that spending to Porkulus, where $5 million of the $700 billion in government money will go to buy snowmakers. In Duluth.

Only about 3% of all flights have air marshals.  That makes for a good deterrent for a single hijacker, but AQ and other organized terrorists can overcome that by using multiple attacks, just as they did on 9/11.  Cockpit doors have been reinforced, but they are not impenetrable.  An armed pilot, properly trained and equipped, can make the difference between life and death, and not just for the people in the air.

If the Obama administration is pandering to the anti-gun lobby with this initiative — and it’s hard to see why else Obama would shut down this program — then gun owners should dread what comes next out of the White House.

Update: Radio Vice Online is skeptical, and takes a look at the money — which is still flowing to the program.


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Cockpit doors have been reinforced, but they are not impenetrable.

Actually, the reinforced doors bother me. Realistically speaking, the door only has to be strong enough to slow the attacker down until the passengers get up out of their seats and restrain him. Stronger than that, and all we are doing is providing protection for a terrorist who has managed to trick his way passed the lock.

Count to 10 on March 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM

what with pilots shooting passengers all the time, and all.

Akzed on March 18, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Heh, yeah, I guess the new lefty anti-gun meme will be “pilots kill” or some crap like that.

Liberty or Death on March 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I thought only the evil Chimpy McHitlerburton’s fascist regime did that. Or is this another case of Democrat projection.
rbj on March 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM

BINGO….ding….ding….ding….we have a winner!

Liberty or Death on March 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

IIRC, only about 2% of pilots can carry a firearm in the cabin, don’t know how many of those actually do either.

In any case, a secure cabin door is a far more effective deterrent.

starfleet_dude on March 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

In any case, a secure cabin door is a far more effective deterrent.

starfleet_dude on March 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

What if the assailant gets passed the door when it is open?

Count to 10 on March 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

IIRC, only about 2% of pilots can carry a firearm in the cabin, don’t know how many of those actually do either.

In any case, a secure cabin door is a far more effective deterrent.

starfleet_dude on March 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

A secure cabin door with a firing port for the pilot would be even better.

pseudonominus on March 18, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Not saying I don’t want pilots armed, because I do. But isn’t it extremely unsafe to unload a firearm on a plane and miss? As in if a wall or a window were punctured.

Terry Silver on March 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The circumstance where a firearm would be loaded or unloaded pn board the aircraft would never, let me repeat, NEVER occur.

Viper1 on March 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM

What if the assailant gets passed the door when it is open?

I’d assume they’d give up to whomever took the door off its hinges and passed it to them.

We can do movie-plot scenarios all day folks, but I’m just pointing out what is in fact the most effective deterrent with regard to the safety of the cockpit.

starfleet_dude on March 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM

The only people wanting to disarm pilots, as the Times notes in its editorial, are anti-gun extremists … and terrorists.

Is there a difference between the two?

Both want power without giving a flying fornication about the safety and security of law-abiding citizens..

Okay, maybe that’s wrong…..at least the terrorists would care about the citizens if they were abiding Sharia law.

NMRN123 on March 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Really off topic, but I haven’t seen anything mentioned about this at HA, or did I miss it?

Add president Obama’s national intelligence czar, Dennis Blair, to the list of embattled top-level appointees. Blair, a retired four-star Navy admiral who attended Oxford with Bill Clinton, courted controversy among pro-Israel and anti-China activists this month when he named Charles (Chas) Freeman, an outspoken former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, to chair the National Intelligence Council, a committee of the government’s top intel analysts. After House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other pols complained to the White House, Freeman abruptly withdrew. Now both Republican and Democratic intel experts are raising questions about another Blair pick: John Deutch, a former CIA director once accused of major security lapses, who’s been appointed to a temporary panel reviewing troubled, top-secret spy-satellite programs.

After Deutch resigned as CIA director in 1996, agency officials discovered he had stored hundreds of pages of classified files on his home computers, despite repeated warnings that they could be intercepted via the Internet. Because of the incident, Deutch was stripped of his high-level security clearances, and a criminal probe into the matter culminated in January 2001, when the ex-spy chief agreed to plead guilty to misdemeanor charges of mishandling classified material. (The next day, Clinton, in one of his final acts as president, pardoned him.) Given Deutch’s history, congressional officials want to know why Blair placed him on a panel so sensitive that its work should require an ultra-top-secret security clearance known as SI/TK (Special Intelligence/Talent-Keyhole). “The decision to grant [Deutch] a security clearance again is an affront,” GOP Sen. Kit Bond, the vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told NEWSWEEK, adding that it “should be reversed immediately.” An agency spokesman acknowledged that former CIA director Michael Hayden restored Deutch’s security clearance a couple of years ago so Hayden could consult with him and other ex-spy chiefs on “classified CIA matters.” But Blair also has broad power to grant security clearances. (Deutch did not respond to requests for comment.)

Congressional critics, including some Democrats, say the two appointments illustrate Blair’s tin ear. As he vigorously defended Freeman, Blair also underplayed evidence of substantial financial ties between the Middle East Policy Council, a think tank Freeman used to run, and Saudi interests. Blair had told Congress that “no more than one 12th” of the council’s $600,000 budget came from the Saudi government. But Freeman told NEWSWEEK that the council had also received a $1 million endowment from Saudi King Abdullah in 2005, plus another $1 million pledge for operating support from Saudi Prince Alwaleed. “Director Blair was asked by the president to … seek the best expertise, and to provide the best intelligence,” says Wendy Morigi, a spokesperson for the intel czar. “That’s exactly what he’s doing.”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/189282

Knucklehead on March 18, 2009 at 12:28 PM

starfleet_dude on March 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM

A reinforced door might slow down a committed individual but it won’t stop them. Further, they don’t hermetically seal the crew in the cockpit Even if you think a door is the answer – that doesn’t argue why the redundancy of an armed pilot is a bad idea. Armed pilots (no matter the number) are an inexpensive deterrent – actually and psychologically.

The most important factor for a hijacker is not his own death – it accomplishing the mission. Shouldn’t we do everything in our power to be at least as committed to their failure?

batterup on March 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM

starfleet_dude on March 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Are you serious? An armed flight crew acts as an additional deterrent and in the most extreme circumstance as a last line of defense. Please beam yourself into reality…..fruitcake!

dmann on March 18, 2009 at 12:45 PM

knowing the democrats and obama / peloiz / murtha and the rest of these TERRORIST SUPPORTING DEMOCRATS..

I wouldnt be surpirsed if they passed a new lkaw
REQUIRING THE PILOTS TO HAND OVER AL THEIR WEAPONS
to the first muslims they find on the aircraft..

and if there arent any then to throw the weapons out the window..

Morons..

jcila on March 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

IIRC, only about 2% of pilots can carry a firearm in the cabin, don’t know how many of those actually do either.

In any case, a secure cabin door is a far more effective deterrent.

starfleet_dude on March 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Just curious, do you have a cite for that 2% figure?

Even if it is that low, it would still be a deterrent, as the average terrorist wouldn’t know whether he was on one of the 2% of the planes with an armed flight crew or not.

Del Dolemonte on March 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Knowing the democrats and obama / peloiz / murtha and the rest of these TERRORIST SUPPORTING DEMOCRATS..
I wouldn’t be surprised if they passed a new law
REQUIRING THE PILOTS TO HAND OVER AL THEIR WEAPONS
to the first Muslims they find on the aircraft..
and if there aren’t any then to throw the weapons out the window..
Morons..
jcila on March 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Only After they apologize to the moose limbs for having them in the first place!!!!

NMRN123 on March 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Not saying I don’t want pilots armed, because I do. But isn’t it extremely unsafe to unload a firearm on a plane and miss? As in if a wall or a window were punctured.

Terry Silver on March 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM

If you hit vital wiring, pneumatic or hydraulic tubing or rigid flight-controls it could be very bad. But the rapid decompression like from Goldfinger is a myth and a simple hole in the fuselage wouldn’t be any more dangerous than say riding in a Kennedy’s car.

Scratch that, less dangerous than riding with a Kennedy.

As a matter of fact, I’d rather be shooting the sh@t out of a presurrized jet cabin with my pistol than being within a ten foot cattle prod of a Kennedy and his car.

hawkdriver on March 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I always though it was a bad idea to arm the pilots since if terrorists try anything their first priority is to make sure the plane maintain its defiance of gravity. The ones who should be armed are the stewardesses. Not the male flight attendants, the female stewardesses. Just imagine how embarrassed a terrorist would be when he takes a bullet between the eyes by a blonde named Buffy. He’d be the laughingstock of Terrorist Hell.

AaronGuzman on March 18, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Or a gay flight steward!

pseudonominus on March 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM

We can trust the pilot with a $billion dollar aircraft and 300 lives, but not a gun.
Liberal logic is an oxymoron

Bevan on March 18, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Just imagine how embarrassed a terrorist would be when he takes a bullet between the eyes by a blonde named Buffy. He’d be the laughingstock of Terrorist Hell.
AaronGuzman on March 18, 2009 at 1:34 PM

LOL!!

Buffy the Terrorist Slayer!!!

NMRN123 on March 18, 2009 at 2:42 PM

1. Tape bacon strips to the cockpit door.
2. Serve BLTs.
3. Hike up the stewardess’s skirts a bit.
4. Allow card carrying conservatives to pack heat.

Problem solved.

Bubba Redneck on March 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Even during the Bush administration, the Federal Flight Deck Officer program was run in such a way that it was clear that the TSA would rather not have any armed pilots. There is only one training facility, in Artesia, New Mexico, hundreds of miles from the nearest major airport (Albuquerque). Pilots had to pay their own way there, and for their room and board.

The TSA bureaucrats never liked the program. A new anti-gun administration will be a perfect excuse for them to let it quietly die.

Jobius on March 18, 2009 at 4:00 PM

I was searched not once, not twice but each time i went through a major airport

and during all of those searches (which i gleefully complied)

I never saw one
Arab
Muslim
pakastani being searched

and i was always searched by either a minority (read a big black broad) or a muslim…

and i am ex military????

I need to start carrying
a BIG CARD stating

ARAB REPORTER..
LIBERAL
TERRORIST

hell then i might actually make my flight on time..

jcila on March 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM

TIME FOR THE 9-11 CHANNEL IN HD, IT’S THE ONLY WAY DIPSHIT DEMOTARDS WILL BE ABLE TO REMEMBER WHAT WAS DONE AND WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO TODAY. PLAY VIDEO OF THE PLANES CRASHING INTO BUILDINGS AND PEOPLE RUNNING DOWN THE STAIRS OF WTC 24/7 FOR ALL TO SEE FOREVER. SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR ALL THE TSA BULLSHIT WE DEAL WITH AS TRAVELERS AS WELL.

lasertex on March 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM

iF YOU SEEK OBAMA HEY BRITNEY..

lasertex on March 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Fox News is reporting the story is inaccurate:

Sterling Payne, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, denied the report and said the program that oversees a reported 12,000 federal flight deck officers (FFDO) is actually expanding.

“It’s inaccurate, this program continues to grow,” Payne told FOXNews.com of the editorial. “TSA continues to recruit and put new FFDOs on planes, and we continue to train them and do recurring training.”

[...]

“ALPA representatives met with TSA executives this afternoon and were told in no uncertain terms that TSA embraces the FFDO program, that there are no plans to reduce or restrict its growth, and that in fact the agency fully intends to grow and expand the program,” the statement read. “Government representatives acknowledged that the program needs additional funding to achieve these goals, and that they are actively seeking same.”

However, it is worth noting that the original editorial did not claim that it was an official policy, but just that funds are being diverted and the approval process is “slowing down”. Sounds to me more like bureaucratic bass-ackwardness, but I suppose it could be a nefarious plot.

JackOfClubs on March 18, 2009 at 5:21 PM

With 20 of the so called “Freedom Fighters” dissappearing off the radar screen in Minnesota this is wonderful news.
Dire Straits

Not ta mention Obama’s AG Holder saying he will releases terror suspects in side the USA

DSchoen on March 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Only about 3% of all flights have air marshalls.”

Boy that 9/11 sure made us a serious nation.

/sarc

profitsbeard on March 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM

The pistol is issued by the US Government. It is a H&K USP Compact .40 S&W. Reference wikipedia

Mike Morrissey on March 18, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Only a liberal would trust a guy to fly him miles above the earth almost at the speed of sound, then land again thousands of miles away, trusting the guy’s judgment………..

…and then go ballistic in demanding to know why that same guy was allowed to have a gun in the cockpit.

manofaiki on March 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM

What an idea, pilots must be armed. Arming pilots so they can be on the front line in defending aircraft from BASH. The pilot takes out those pesky birds in the front that can take out the entire plane with out any weapons or explosives. While, the Marshals in the back kill the terrorist that get past the inspection(s).

MSGTAS on March 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM

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