AIG bailout the worst of both worlds

posted at 8:16 am on March 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am …

Stealers Wheel sang that three decades ago, but they could just have well described the AIG bailout.  Two successive administrations, Republican and Democrat, have thrown over $150 billion at the failing insurer, soaking up an impressive 80% stake, but as discovered this week, holding almost no ownership power.  Now that retention bonuses amounting to less than 0.1% of the government investment have embarrassed Congress and the White House, the two political parties have finally diverged on the lesson learned — a bit late:

Though the outrage is bipartisan on Capitol Hill over the $165 million bonus payout by American International Group, the solutions are not.

Republicans are touting the incident as proof that the government should get out of the bailout business, while Democrats are using the public outcry to push more government regulation and intervention, including a plan to take over AIG.

When House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., walked out of his hearing room Tuesday afternoon, he told reporters “it’s time for us to take over the company.” …

Republicans on Tuesday morning lambasted the administration for poor handling of the bailout money, pointing to a March 2 transcript in which White House press secretary Robert Gibbs asserted that Obama knew where the bailout money given to AIG and other financial institutions had been spent.

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., said the bonus flap puts a spotlight on excessive government spending and involvement in rescuing private companies.

In truth, either solution would have been better than the one pursued since last September.  We chose, in essence, the worst of both worlds.  We spent all of the money it took to nationalize a company without gaining any authority to direct its actions.  If the government allowed AIG to declare bankruptcy while making itself the receiver, all of those contractual obligations would have been ended, and the government would have not had to pay any more than it already has while gaining actual control of the company.

Or we could have simply allowed AIG to sink on its own.  Both Henry Paulson and Tim Geithner insist that AIG’s failure would have crashed the world’s economy.  It certainly would have been painful, but it would have been a one-time shock from which other opportunities flow, just as any private failure is.  Instead, we have a slow-motion crash, one that continues to occur.  No one seems to know where the actual money goes, which is the point belatedly made by Republicans who see a political opening in the failure of a policy most of them supported last fall.

Either nationalize or leave private industry to fail privately.  I prefer the latter, as it keeps government from becoming fascistically powerful in dictating economic choices and limiting individual freedom in the marketplace — but choose one or the other.

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Or we could have simply allowed AIG to sink on its own.

i.e., the sane, rational and (more to the point) conservative choice. Cosigned.

Kent18 on March 18, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Lesson learned? Please.

Would a conservative who voted against TARP and the bailouts stand up and speak. I don’t care to hear from the “I was for it before I was against it” crowd.

Angry Dumbo on March 18, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Should have let the whole thing burn.

Yet I recall a slew of editorials last September with a basic narrative “yeah we should let them fail and everything, but still, the situation is really bad so let’s give socialism the chance it deserves.”

That’s my disappointment, that otherwise smart and tough analysts got cold feet and caved in. Who the hell can I trust now? I feel like I’ve been sold out in every possible way.

jeff_from_mpls on March 18, 2009 at 8:24 AM

“…Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor,
‘Cause I don’t think that I can take anymore…”

DamnYankee on March 18, 2009 at 8:24 AM

If you ever wondered how it would be watching a slow motion train wreck , from inside.

the_nile on March 18, 2009 at 8:25 AM

Shove this POS entity into Chapter 11.

I don’t want the executive and legislative branches anywhere near this.

BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM

Now, how many icebergs have the U.S.S. Obama
hit so far,apparently,Hopey is more concerned
about damage control,and than actually doing
something about the economy,

and wheres the “plan” to save the economy btw!!!

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM

There is a very clear message here to all other business’s and corporations in America!
DON’T TAKE GOVERNMENT MONEY!

JellyToast on March 18, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Every Dem for Himself? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I missed it, but a reader writes:

If you didn’t just see Rep. Steve Kanjorski (D) mocking the Obama administration’s assertion that they didn’t know about the AIG bonuses ahead of time, you simply must get your hands on it. It’s duck-and- cover time in D.C.!

Of course I would have liked his appearance better if he had also taken out Dodd and his dopey amendment as well, but it is still worth it.

If you can dredge up a vid., it is worth viewing by all Cornerites.

It aired around 7:50.blockquote>

From NRO Corner.

canopfor, I wonder if the rats are already deserting the sinking U.S.S. Obama.

Wouldn’t it be a hoot if the Dems had to distance themselves from Obama in 2010, and not 2012? (“No, I don’t need Obama to campaign for me, really I don’t.)

Wethal on March 18, 2009 at 8:29 AM

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am …
Stealers Wheel sang that three decades ago,

I heard this song on my way to work today and thought…damn, that’s exactly how I feel with this current administration!

(Of course, it never fails that this song always makes me think of Michael Madsen)

ladyingray on March 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Hopey is more concerned
about damage control,and than actually doing
something about the economy

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM

His friends are turning on him. Maureen Dowd ripped him today because he needed a teleprompter to express outrage at AIG.

Democrats are concerned that this guy doesn’t know what he’s doing.

It’s a good day!

jeff_from_mpls on March 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM

If only Frank had walked out and never come back.

Except for Wall, Crapitulous and Athens, the dumbest people in America are running our nation and sinking it under their own stupidity.

Bishop on March 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM

also, when we gave AIG the money initially, & then they gave it to a french bank, Barclay’s & another foreign bank, did we know they were going to do that?

Its ok to help others, but with our current crisis (& most regular people are just looking at our country, not globally), doesn’t that make Congress look bad, too?

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM

There is a very clear message here to all other business’s and corporations in America!
DON’T TAKE GOVERNMENT MONEY!

JellyToast on March 18, 2009 at 8:28 AM

+1

jeff_from_mpls on March 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM

chaptah leven

BIATCHES!

blatantblue on March 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM

Let’s be honest here… AIG was kept afloat to funnel TARP money to European banks and Goldman Sacks. AIG gave Goldman 12 billion and Goldman paid out 10 billion in bonuses. This is one big pustule that needs to be lanced publicly and loudly!

red131 on March 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM

goldman paid 10 Billion in bonuses? is that really true?

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM

the dumbest people in America are running our nation and sinking it under their own stupidity.

Bishop on March 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Want a good laugh, or cry? Here’s the order of succession to the Presidency of the United States:

President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama
Vice President and President of the Senate Joe Biden
Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi
President pro tempore of the Senate Robert Byrd
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner

No, it’s not The Onion. It’s straight from whitehouse.gov.

jeff_from_mpls on March 18, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Me thinks the Liberals have made a deal with the Devil,

maybe they should of ‘read the contract’!

But its a tad late,

and remember, the Bailout Bill sat on Hopeys desk,
a while back during a weekend!

It seems the Liberals were more concerned about
going after Rush,then it was to read the bill!

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 8:38 AM

JellyToast on March 18, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Now that there’s just crazy talk! The government is the solution to all of mankind’s ills!

/ah, hell. I can’t even type this with a straight face.

Vic on March 18, 2009 at 8:39 AM

We spent all of the money it took to nationalize a company without gaining any authority to direct its actions.

150 billion in so far, (and they may ask for more), and the company is currently valued at 2.6 billion??? These bonuses are just a big fat ruse to take the light off the fact that this company should have gone into bankruptcy more than a year ago.

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 8:39 AM

$1.5 TRILLION spending program approved by Congress.

$1.5 TRILLION in Universal Health Care being forced upon taxpayers through the rarely used ‘Conciliation’ rule.

Approximately $200 million in AIG Bonuses which will certainly be taxed at 50%.

$2.4 million for Automatic Congressional pay raises in 2009 alone.

$67 per month Average Senior Citizen Social Security CoL increase.

$13 per week

Looks like P.T. Barnum was right. The Pelosi-Reid Standing Circus, the Greatest Show on Earth has scammed the rubes again.

SeniorD on March 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM

jeff_from_mpls on March 18, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Ok….I might actually enjoy having Byrd as President, at least for a month or so. High comedy.

Other than that, the list is downright scary.

Bishop on March 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM

We’re about overdue for the Obama bumper stickers that read, “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

EMD on March 18, 2009 at 8:41 AM

Democrats are concerned that this guy doesn’t know what he’s doing.

It’s a good day!

jeff_from_mpls on March 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM

This nation is in an economic crisis—–people are hurting—-And your President is going on Jay Leno?????? Who’s the joke?????

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM

the 1.5 Trillion for socialized medicine is not before the Congress yet. Thank the good Lord. bambi is going to F*ck the military & injured vets over & get them forced to accept it first so he can say “see, the military wants it”. then conservatives will be stuck.

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 8:44 AM

canopfor

Wethal on Mar 18,2009 at 8:29AM.

Wethal:The Liberal rats will drown,there hopeing for a
mircle!

And you might be right,it seems Obama has

‘Clintonized’ himself,hehe!:)

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 8:44 AM

If Byrd had been President 20 years ago when his mind was “clear” (ahem), then all this bailout money would have gone to WVa. But at least would could identify each & every recipient. and at least they would have been real Americans.

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Why on God’s green earth is Barney Frank still relevant. Shouldn’t he be investigated or something?

Jed1899 on March 18, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Seems the Caliph got some of that AIG Bonus to the tune of
$101,332.

Does this painfully inept Administration even KNOW how bad they are?

SeniorD on March 18, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Allot of confusion could be avoided if Congress wouldn’t wait until after passing legilation to begin reading what it was they voted on.

repvoter on March 18, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Barney Frank (like Al Sharpton) gives good incendiary interviews. the press loves him for that.

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 8:47 AM

$2.4 million for Automatic Congressional pay raises in 2009 alone. SeniorD on March 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM

(Update: The Senate, by a voice vote on Tuesday, agreed to scrap the system that gives members of Congress an automatic cost-of-living pay raise every year. “Especially in this hour of economic crisis, the overwhelming majority of Democrats and Republicans would agree that we should end this practice of automatic adjustments,” said Majority Leader Harry Reid.)

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told CNSNews.com on Tuesday that he does not support a bill sponsored by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) that would repeal a law giving members of Congress an automatic cost-of-living pay raise each year without a roll call vote.

Is your pager buzzing off the hook Steny???

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Allot of confusion could be avoided if Congress wouldn’t wait until after passing legilation to begin reading what it was they voted on.
repvoter on March 18, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Easy now, we were all going to die horrifying deaths until the stimucrap bill came to our rescue, that cannot be denied.

Bishop on March 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM

The bailouts need to stop, especially now that Congress claims to have learned their lesson. From now on out they will put such stringent strings on money that it will eventually ruin whatever company they try to save. Better to just let market nature take its course.

At this point, I no longer believe that the panic back in the fall was as bad as Paulson told us it was. From this point forward, I wouldn’t believe Geithner, Obama or Congress if they told me my hair was on fire and they needed to dump a billion dollars on it to smother the flames.

myrenovations on March 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM

…sinking it under their own stupidity.

Bishop on Mar 18,2009 at 8:32AM.

Bishop: Its seems Obama’s torpedo’s are turning on him,haha:)

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM

These people helped to engineer Obama into the White House. they are getting their dues, that’s all.

promachus on March 18, 2009 at 8:52 AM

Both Henry Paulson and Tim Geithner insist that AIG’s failure would have crashed the world’s economy. It certainly would have been painful, but it would have been a one-time shock from which other opportunities flow, just as any private failure is.

The most obvious solution – to allow AIG to fail, then to reorganize, pick up the pieces, and go on – was, unfortunately, the one that would have provided the least amount of heroic “splash” for Congress and the Secretary of the Treasury. If (HUGE “if”) the bailout had worked, those who supported it would have come off as economic geniuses. This possibility was so attractive that it obscured the great, glaring specter of the downside…it didn’t work, and the players are now perceived as the worst sort of villains. (A perception which, by the way, I agree with.) And now, the usual attempts at deflecting attention are bringing to light an all-too-persistent reality: under all those spotlights, the denials and finger-pointing are assuming their accustomed circular route, and it’s obvious that nobody had, has, or is interested in having a clue as to what is best for our economy. For their own partisan interests – yes. For the good of the American people – not so much.

uncivilized on March 18, 2009 at 8:53 AM

From this point forward, I wouldn’t believe Geithner, Obama or Congress if they told me my hair was on fire and they needed to dump a billion dollars on it to smother the flames.

myrenovations on March 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Ya, I wouldn’t either… Cause ya know they couldn’t do it with anything less than a TRILLION DOLLARS….

doriangrey on March 18, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Why on God’s green earth is Barney Frank still relevant. Shouldn’t he be investigated or something?

Jed1899 on March 18, 2009 at 8:46 AM

I’ve wondered about this as well; His only real, “boss” is Pelosi. Perhaps he needs to be personally targeted by future tea parties.

anniekc on March 18, 2009 at 8:56 AM

This nation is in an economic crisis—–people are hurting—-And your President is going on Jay Leno?????? Who’s the joke?????

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 8:43 AM

The whole segment j-walking will feature Obama.

the_nile on March 18, 2009 at 8:56 AM

O/T:

Minor tremor: A minor earthquake occurred at 4:04:39 AM (PDT) on Wednesday, March 18, 2009.
The magnitude 3.6 event occurred 14 km (9 miles) WSW of Ferndale, CA.
The hypocentral depth is 14 km ( 9 miles).

It was a solid “bump” but my coffee cup only moved two inches on my desk….all is well……

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Why worry about the bailouts? If we are ticked off about the bailouts, just wait til we have to pay them their severance packages which no doubt are also contractual. I don’t care about AIG. I CARE ABOUT THE A-HOLES WHO GAVE THEM OUR MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE AND I DON’T MEAN US…. I MEAN THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS. Now I understand the “heads on a stick” mantra.

bloggless on March 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I’ve wondered about this as well; His only real, “boss” is Pelosi. Perhaps he needs to be personally targeted by future tea parties.

anniekc on March 18, 2009 at 8:56 AM

With appologies to Van Halen…. Could this be magic.. or could this be love… could this turn tragic… you know how teaparties often do….

doriangrey on March 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM

I’ll repeat:

This entire circus is the most competent display of incompetence ever observed.

The Great Leader Obama has been on a self-imposed leave-of-absence since January 20th. The country is essentially being run by the White House switchboard operator, two Blackberrys, and a twitter account.

Yoop on March 18, 2009 at 8:59 AM

This is all manufactured outrage, they all knew these bonuses were out there and specific language was included in the terms so that the payments could be made. Below is an excerpt from the first AIG term sheet from November 2008, the other term sheet (for the additional money handed out) refered back to the stimulus package wherein Chris Dodd made sure they were protected.

THEY (OUR polititians) KNEW – if they took the time to read it…………..

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/reports/111008aigtermsheet.pdf
EXECUTIVE COMPENSATION:
SECTION 2. The annual bonus pools payable to Senior Partners
in respect of each of 2008 and 2009 shall not exceed the
average of the annual bonus pools paid to Senior Partners for
2006 and 2007 (in each case exclusive of AIG’s historic quarterly
bonus program, the amount of which will not increase for any
participant, and subject to appropriate adjustment for new hires
and departures).

sherryande on March 18, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Minor tremor: A minor earthquake occurred at 4:04:39 AM (PDT) on Wednesday, March 18, 2009.
The magnitude 3.6 event occurred 14 km (9 miles) WSW of Ferndale, CA.
The hypocentral depth is 14 km ( 9 miles).

It was a solid “bump” but my coffee cup only moved two inches on my desk….all is well……

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Hmmmm, 3.6 and you actually noticed it??? Must not have spent much time here in sunny California… ;)

doriangrey on March 18, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Every last American who is outraged by this needs to take to the streets on April 15th and attend their local tea party. To borrow a phrase from our libby friends, “IF YOU ARE NOT OUTRAGED, YOU’RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION”.

bloggless on March 18, 2009 at 9:00 AM

If Byrd had been President 20 years ago when his mind was “clear” (ahem), then all this bailout money would have gone to WVa. But at least would could identify each & every recipient. and at least they would have been real Americans.

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 8:45 AM

You’re right about that – because every recipient would have had to rename their institution “The Robert Byrd Memorial Bank and Trust”.

uncivilized on March 18, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Bishop: Its seems Obama’s torpedo’s are turning on him,haha:)
canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Not soon enough, this is going to get worse before it gets better. Ogabe is a moron but he is still getting far too much support for truly stupid actions on his part.

Bishop on March 18, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Instead, we have a slow-motion crash, one that continues to occur.

I think it’s more like a vise, slowly closing and crushing us to smithereens.

No one seems to know where the actual money goes,

But they sure got all that legislation through so quickly. Ramming those bills up down our throats stands as the only accomplishment of the marxist adminstration. It’s sort of like when the idiot messiah was down to claiming that running his own Precedential campaign was his executive experience (and he wasn’t even running his own campaign, though luckily the MSM carried him across the finish line, with BHO kicking and screaming the whole time).

How bad can this government get? Really. This is a laughing stock of history in the making … at best.

progressoverpeace on March 18, 2009 at 9:02 AM

How ’bout that stock market rally?????? I question the timing.

bloggless on March 18, 2009 at 9:02 AM

How much of this is actually AIG’s fault or the result of the disastrous CRA law which forced companies to issue mortgages and loans to people who couldn’t pay back?

FactsofLife on March 18, 2009 at 9:03 AM

The false outrage we’re seeing is just that–false.

I suggest that a dedicated set of reporters (unlikely) or GOP members of Congress get to the bottom of the following questions:

When did anyone first learn of the bonuses?

Who first learned of them, and what did he or she do with the information?

Given that Geithner was so integral to the AIG bailout from long ago, when did he know of the bonuses, what did he do with the information, and, if he didn’t know of the bonuses, why didn’t he know?

Regarding the Dodd Amendment in the stimulus bill, what did Dodd’s Amendment actually say? Dodd claims his language got changed in the conference committee.
Who, then, is responsible for inserting the language that grandfathered bonuses such as the AIG bonuses? Was it some unelected POS congressional staffer? If so, who is that person and on whose authority or insistence was the language included?

BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Obama’s staff came out this morning and claimed that Obama just found out about the bonuses (2) weeks ago, and that Geithner just found out himself… Lying bastards!

How the Obama administration was caught flat-footed by this controversy dates back to last Fall, when the New York Federal Reserve Bank — then run by Geithner — stepped in to give AIG a high-interest loan for $85 billion to help prevent the company from going under — which Lehman Brothers was doing at the time. As part of the deal, AIG CEO Robert Willumstad was replaced by the new CEO, Liddy.

Read the whole thing…

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/obama-adminis-1.html

Then there’s this little gem…

Senator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are – Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama.

The A.I.G. Financial Products affiliate of A.I.G. gave out $136,928, the most of any AIG affiliate, in the 2008 cycle. I would note that A.I.G.’s financial products division is the unit that wrote trillions of dollars’ worth of credit-default swaps and “misjudged” the risk.

http://www.examiner.com/x-268-Right-Side-Politics-Examiner~y2009m3d17-Obama-Received-a-101332-Bonus-from-AIG

Keemo on March 18, 2009 at 9:05 AM

ALL ROADS LEAD TO CONGRESS. I WANT MY MONEY BACK. I EVEN HAVE MY RECEIPT.

bloggless on March 18, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Hmmmm, 3.6 and you actually noticed it??? Must not have spent much time here in sunny California… ;)

doriangrey on March 18, 2009 at 8:59 AM

I’m up in Humboldt County—(over 30 yrs) was here for the two back to back 6.8′s in 1989—-yeah, I noticed it. Maybe it was just Pelosi landing her military jet in SF? :)

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Was it some unelected POS congressional staffer? If so, who is that person and on whose authority or insistence was the language included?

BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 9:03 AM

I don’t buy that theory. Mostly because AIG didn’t give over $100,000 to congressional staffers in campaign contributions.

myrenovations on March 18, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Even if AIG required no bailout but was in serious enough financial straits, they would have had to payout retention bonuses in order to keep the people necessary to unwind those positions. Otherwise they get cherry picked by other companies and get left with the dregs. Prudence dictates you payout the $165 million in order to save billions. Receiving TARP money does not change the situation for AIG. I guess Barney Frank is going to use that same financial acumen that he used with the Freddie and Fannie to run AIG. This should be interesting.

JohnnyL on March 18, 2009 at 9:07 AM

So, what’s the big deal about $165 million?
We just cover it with part of the $540 million we save by making milpers and vets pay for their own treatment.
Oh, wait, that’s supposed to go towards the $900 million we’re giving to Hamas er, those poor Palestinians.

Priest85 on March 18, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Both Henry Paulson and Tim Geithner insist that AIG’s failure would have crashed the world’s economy.

That is the real scandal of the AIG bailout. Our tax dollars were used to prop up the insurer of major European and Chinese companies. Why do we pick up the tab for insuring other nations’ businesses? Did China tell bush and obumbles they would stop buying our bonds if we didn’t? Stop with the bonuses already and start asking whose risks the US government is now insuring.

james23 on March 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM

and wheres the “plan” to save the economy btw!!!

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 8:26 AM

I think barry is going to announce it on the Jay Leno “comedy hour” on Thursday. What ever happened to the dignity of the office of POTUS? Oh, wait, that’s right…..never mind…. *sigh*

clinker46 on March 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM

I really would like to see Bill O’reilly (blow ahrd that he is) give Barney another bitchslapping. I really did enjoy that.

bloggless on March 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Obama and the White House are playing the entire population for complete fools. Now I realize that is arguable since the rookie fool won a general election, but please remember that 48 million of us didn’t vote for the communist anti-American loser. Even some members of the MSM are realizing that they are included in the group considered by the WH as being played for fools.

Keemo on March 18, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Probably Pelosi running that bullet proof face of hers into a wall or something.

Keemo on March 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Allot of confusion could be avoided if Congress wouldn’t wait until after passing legilation to begin reading what it was they voted on.

repvoter on March 18, 2009 at 8:47 AM

+1
But even if they had, do you think any of them would have understood it?

scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 9:12 AM

It would be a great thing if this outrage was directed at the “missing” trillions to get accountability for all that caused this disaster but it is not.

They will not hold themselves accountable and are happy with this outrage. I good distraction from the original disaster.

getalife on March 18, 2009 at 9:13 AM

This idea that AIG was not regulated is a myth.
Nothing but grabbing at straws to divert criticism like Barney and Dodd have done with the Fannie/Freddie mess that brought down our economy:

The Real AIG Outrage

http://rpc.blogrolling.com/redirect.php?r=503d6378b0e7bbf4f5488ec58d1fd50d&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opinionjournal.com%2Fbest%2F

The Beltway crowd has been selling the story that AIG failed because it operated in a shadowy unregulated world and cleverly exploited gaps among Washington overseers

Scott Polakoff, acting director of the Office of Thrift Supervision, told the Senate Banking Committee this month that, contrary to media myth, AIG’s infamous Financial Products unit did not slip through the regulatory cracks. Mr. Polakoff said that the whole of AIG, including this unit, was regulated by his agency and by a “college” of global bureaucrats.

But what about that supposedly rogue AIG operation in London? Wasn’t that outside the reach of federal regulators? Mr. Polakoff called it “a false statement” to say that his agency couldn’t regulate the London office.

And his agency wasn’t the only federal regulator. AIG’s Financial Products unit has been overseen for years by an SEC-approved monitor. And AIG didn’t just make disastrous bets on housing using those infamous credit default swaps. AIG made the same stupid bets on housing using money in its securities lending program, which was heavily regulated at the state level.

The buck stops at the Presidents desk is what we heard for 8 yrs. during President Bush’s term.

We have been told how much smarter liberals are and that Mr. 57 states is going to lift up our country with the outreach of his hand.

Now it’s the Rev. Wright excuse of “I had no idea,this is not the bailout I thought I knew” line.

Obama, Geithner, Dodd, and the rest of the “greatest administration since FDR and Lincoln” not only knew about this,but helped make it happen.

Mrs. Malkin has the perfect column out that confronts the faux outrage from the “smart ones” who helped create this mess:

SPARE US YOUR FAKE FURY, DC HYPOCRITES
By MICHELLE MALKIN
http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/03182009/news/columnists/spare_us_your_fake_fury__dc_hypocrites_160098.htm

Geithner, the primary architect of the original $85 billion AIG bailout last fall, “reluctantly” approved the bonuses.
And now his outraged boss has ordered him to scour every legal nook and cranny possible to get the money back.
Spare me President Obama’s finger-wag. He’s “outraged?” Meh.

But Dodd, it turns out, was for protecting AIG’s bonuses before he was against them.

Fox Business reporter Rich Edson pointed out that during the Senate porkulus negotiations last month, Dodd successfully inserted a teeny-tiny amendment that provided for an “exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009,” which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are seeking to tax.

“Yes We Can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Baxter Greene on March 18, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Regarding the Dodd Amendment in the stimulus bill, what did Dodd’s Amendment actually say? Dodd claims his language got changed in the conference committee.
Who, then, is responsible for inserting the language that grandfathered bonuses such as the AIG bonuses? Was it some unelected POS congressional staffer? If so, who is that person and on whose authority or insistence was the language included?

BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 9:03 AM

BINGO!!!!!!

We all need to insist on an answer to this. Somebody knows the answer. If Dodd cannot offer a reasonable explanation as to who made the changes then he needs to fall on the sword. Of course that is all wishful thinking.

Yoop on March 18, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Btw,if this was Team Republican,(but they wouldn’t pull this
crap)you can bet,Team Liberal would be lining up kangeroo
courts,and witchhunt hearings!

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Screw bipartisanship. The GOP need to keep hammering home the sheer incompetency of this administration. Who knew that they would totally f*#& up the managing of AIG bailouts? Corporate welfare is a bane! The Dems, led by Barney Frank look really stupid right now screaming about these paltry bonuses when they’re spending our tax money like divas at a boutique. Really, they insult my 8-year-old’s intelligence.

Btw, love that song! One of the best classics imho.

RepubChica on March 18, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I’m not outraged by the retention bonuses. Bailout yes. bonuses…no. If you want to unwind those CDS positions then you need the employees that understand them. Just ask Warren Buffet. The CDS positions that he needed to unwind at Swiss Re were paltry compared to those at AIG and those took forever and cost over $400 million to unwind. If you want to get maximum value for the American taxpayer then you need the right people in position to deliver. You may say that given their track record that these aren’t….but then is anyone that was involved at any company with CDS’s the “right” person? And why would that “right” person ever leave a good job to work at a government bailout company. I wouldn’t feel an ethical imperative to work at AIG for sub-par compensation compared to what I could make at a non-TARP firm. TARP companies are going to have a very hard time getting the top flight talent vs non-TARP companies.

JohnnyL on March 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM

most of Team Republican is just as fishy. well, not as fishy as Barney, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer & Dodd, but pretty damn fishy anyway. and i say that as a Republican.

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Maybe Dodd,had a printing machine failure,

like Obama’s telepromter gaffes,on honouring
contracts!

Its AIG Gate,
or
bonusgate,
or,
DoddGate!!

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 9:18 AM

It doesn’t really matter what this administration says about this, I don’t believe any of them. I can just sit back and watch these bumbling idiots try and undo what they’ve done. Ob wait, they’ve got more important things to do, like the Jay Leno show!

scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 9:19 AM

because if this isn’t the opportunity of a lifetime for the Republicans in Congress, I don’t know what is. except that Bush started it. that’s a problem. bambi is waiting to say that he inherited this legislation. Did bambi vote for this before he was elected?

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Meanwhile, thanks to his buddy Mr. Immelt, Mr. President is going on the Tonight Show this evening to tell us there’s nothing to see here and he is in control.

kingsjester on March 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM

INVESTIGATIONS,

ASAP,and

EXPEDITE!!

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM

The Beltway crowd has been selling the story that AIG failed because it operated in a shadowy unregulated world and cleverly exploited gaps among Washington overseers

Truth.

sethstorm on March 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM

This faux outrage by the administration is mind-boggling and pathetic on an epic scale. If the administration truly wanted to stop this, they could. If the government, as 80% stockholders, wanted to push this into bankruptcy, the bankruptcy code would allow for a review of historical cash disbursements. I believe there is a 90-day window, but I think this could possible extend up to a year. Any disbursements deemed to be preferential could be clawed back into AIG. Since the government to a 2-yr note from AIG, I assume the government has a higher security position that the employees or foreign banks that received cash. Therefore, any payments made to others before the secured parties could be deeming “preferential”. Of course, the assumption being that the government properly secured its position, which may be a stretch given their response to current situation in which they look like complete buffoons. However, this would also require the current administration to go back to foreign entities to recover the cash, and we’ve seen how well this administration has handled itself with foreign governments, both friendly and not-so-friendly.

Neo-con Artist on March 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Regarding the Dodd Amendment in the stimulus bill, what did Dodd’s Amendment actually say? Dodd claims his language got changed in the conference committee.
Who, then, is responsible for inserting the language that grandfathered bonuses such as the AIG bonuses? Was it some unelected POS congressional staffer? If so, who is that person and on whose authority or insistence was the language included?

BuckeyeSam on March 18, 2009 at 9:03 AM

BINGO!!!!!!

We all need to insist on an answer to this. Somebody knows the answer. If Dodd cannot offer a reasonable explanation as to who made the changes then he needs to fall on the sword. Of course that is all wishful thinking.

Yoop on March 18, 2009 at 9:14 AM

That’s what I was wondering, seems like the biggest blunder of all time. It would be nice to know whose blunder it was.

scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Turbo Tax Timmy is finally going to annouce the details of his new toxic assets program this week, so it will be all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows from then on.

Wethal on March 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Okay,I’ve got it,like ‘Tim Turbo Tax’ excuse,

maybe Dodd relied on Kinko’s for the printing!!

canopfor on March 18, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Neo-con Artist on March 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM

That sounds great, but it would require someone in the administration with the intelligence to see it through. Who would that be? Barney Frank? hahahahahahaha

scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 9:24 AM

This whole AIG “business” is just a caculated political ruse to take our eyes off of what’s coming down the pike!

Obama’s Budget—-Full Steam Ahead With Government Takeover of Health Care, Energy, and Education—-(all called reforms instead of government control/take-over of more private industries).

3.2 Trillion FY 2010……….this isn’t a budget! this is national financial suicide.

Cap and trade means cap and tax………every American will inherit this tax. (estimated $1,500.00 per household)

1.2 trillion stimulus = “shovel ready” projects really meant digging our graves.

HOW TO BREAK A NATION FINANCIALLY IN 100 DAYS—BY BARACK OBAMA

If bankrupting this nation isn’t an impeachable offense, it sure should be.

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Who, then, is responsible for inserting the language that grandfathered bonuses such as the AIG bonuses?

AIG.

As for replacing Geithner, find someone else as equally offensive to China that isn’t an outright Michael Nitz or Richard Ebens to their part of financial world.

sethstorm on March 18, 2009 at 9:27 AM

this is O/T, but i just read on another blog that michelle, my belle, is referred to as First Clydesdale

we all deserve a chuckle

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Easy now, we were all going to die horrifying deaths until the stimucrap bill came to our rescue, that cannot be denied.

Bishop on March 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM

You forgot hope and change. That’s where the government changes their hand from your pocket to putting it down your pants. They’re jerking me off stimulating me into the poor house….

repvoter on March 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Obama’s Budget—-Full Steam Ahead With Government Takeover of Health Care

Rovin on March 18, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Stop it. I’m still hoping it’s all a practical joke, their intention to socialize health care.

RepubChica on March 18, 2009 at 9:33 AM

scalleywag on March 18, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I know. We’re left with numerous undesirable. But the helpful thing about BK is that a Trustee gets appointed by the BK Court, and all details of the plan are reviewed by the Court vs. what we’ve seen from the government. And, BK is a process that exists with specific codes to are followed vs. the government making up the rules as it goes. I’ll take that any day of the week compared to this garbage.

Neo-con Artist on March 18, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Obama and Geithner told this nation time and again that they had this situation under control,had a plan,and knew what they were doing.
I know that Obama is nothing but a salesman and is basically controlled by Pelosi,Reid,and his activists groups
but he campaigned on “change”,”accountability”,”transparency” ,and a smarter way of conducting foreign and domestic policy.
Obama’s administration is making fools of itself dealing with Russia,Britain,and Columbia so far.
Obama is breaking promises left and right.
Putting together a cabinet has been nothing short of watching an amateur clown act and he apparently has to take
his teleprompter with him everywhere he goes because he is not smart enough to stand on his own two feet.

This excerpt from his lame,” I didn’t know anything,I am only the President in charge of giving these people billions of dollars” excuse is going to be a consistent theme concerning this administration:


Obama Administration: We Didn’t Find Out About AIG Bonuses Until This Month

March 17, 2009 7:18 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/obama-adminis-1.html

AIG provided information about the company’s myriad compensation packages to the New York Fed, but officials described the information as extremely complex and not easily understood. AIG had more than 100 compensation policies for more than 116,000 employees throughout the world.

“Extremely complex and not easily understood”

Reminds me of Obama being “to overwhelmed” to handle a visit from our biggest ally the British PM Brown.

This “Salesman and Chief” is in over his head and the word “incompetent” is starting to be slung around him by democrats as well as Republicans on a regular basis.

This election will go down as the biggest con job ever perpetrated on the American people in our history.

Ahh..well..Global Warming still has a chance to to take that top spot.

Baxter Greene on March 18, 2009 at 9:34 AM

oh, they want to socialize medicine because it works so well in Canada & Europe. But we have to stop them. Alot of Congresscritters are pretty tired of voting yes & i Expect that trend to continue.

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I never thought I’d agree with Maureen Dowd on anything, but she actually get a few things right in this article…

Barack Obama even needs a teleprompter to get mad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/opinion/18dowd.html?_r=3

I wonder if Obama will take his teleprompter on the Tonight Show, or will the audience have to suffer through a few thousand umms tonight.

Keemo on March 18, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Even if (and I don’t believe it) the language Dodd originally wrote got changed by someone else, wouldn’t it make sense that a member of congress would at least read the parts of the bill that they had a hand in crafting?

I would like them to read every word, but apparently they cannot do that. So just read the parts that you worked on.

But again, I do not believe that Dodd does not know how the bonus language got in the bill. I believe he did it. He just thought he would get away with it.

myrenovations on March 18, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Baxter Greene on March 18, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Well done Baxter, as usual. The MSM is starting to back away from Obama and the WH. In my humble opinion, the MSM has as much to do with Obama having been elected potus as any other element. I sure hope we don’t let them off the hook for this historical blunder, as they will surely try to separate themselves from Obama.

Keemo on March 18, 2009 at 9:39 AM

anyone that thinks Dodd is honest is delusional.

kelley in virginia on March 18, 2009 at 9:40 AM

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