Comments on: Video: SEIU accuses Card Check opponent of wanting workers to die

By: AGAPE Movement

AGAPE Movement — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:42:24 +0000

[...] publicly opposed Card Check, the SEIU offered a rational rebuttal — by claiming that Boren wants people to die in unsafe factories. After Boren’s latest remarks on cap-and-trade, expect Democratic Party [...]

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:50:19 +0000

mad scientist on March 17, 2009 at 10:33 PM

That’s funny, I see those in business too. AIG, Enron, Arthur Andersen, Satyam?

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Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:25:59 +0000

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By: mad scientist

mad scientist — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:40:58 +0000

darktood on March 17, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Coors Brewery has already worked along those lines; replacing a union with a similar but better program that highlights third party binding arbitration.

Your idea has merit; many of us need protection should card check become a reality. Even the better employers have their share of greedy and short-sighted employees.

By: mad scientist

mad scientist — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:33:07 +0000

Oh, I forgot:
The qualities most often seen in a union steward:
1) Greed
2) Laziness
3) Stupidity
4) Dishonesty
And the bonus round;
a conviction for petty larceny.
sounds like the perfect formula for a safe shop, eh?

By: darktood

darktood — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:31:25 +0000

If card check passes it is important to form a new union. Here are a few ideas for that.
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1. The union charter must forbid merging with, or becoming subservient to another union.
2. Union officers are to receive no compensation for union work, and must work along side represented employees.
3. Union members may only serve multiple terms as a union officers, if terms are separated by a two year interval.
4. No union dues are to be withheld from pay.
5. The union will not give any support to any political candidate without a unanimous secret ballot election with a 100% turnout in favor of it.
6. All changes to union charter must be unanimously approved by all union members, in a secret Vote.
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I think that should protect employees from the union bosses for long enough for Card Check to be repealed by the following Administration.

By: mad scientist

mad scientist — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:12:30 +0000

I would think from experience that union shops tend to be less safe than non-union.
My reasoning:
many of the union shops advance based on seniority only; this tends to accumulate employees with little or no initiative or drive to perform better. It also creates an attitude of “we can’t be fired” so compliance with rules is poor.
The safest companies are the ones who show safety as a moral issue to protect the workers and actively remove the problem employees. Contrast this with a union shop peopled primarily by problem employees and the difference is clear.

By: Daft Punk

Daft Punk — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:27:58 +0000

Your employer is the bad guy and you never, ever rat out a fellow union member even if it is a safety issue. schmuck281 on March 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Something called solidarity come to mind? sethstorm on March 17, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Heh. This speaks volumes.

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:11:33 +0000

schmuck281 on March 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Something called solidarity come to mind?

By: schmuck281

schmuck281 — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:08:18 +0000

Back in the early 1980′s I was in Hagarstown, MD. I was talking with a guy that worked at the Mack Truck Factory there. (UAW, of course)

He was bitching about a co-worker who operated some machinery in an unsage manner. ( I never worked in a truck factory so I didn’t really know what he was talking about)

I asked him if he had said something to his foreman about it. His response? “I’m not management!”, he said, very hotly.

That’s the knid of thinking that unions encourage. You stick together because you’re labor, no matter what. Your employer is the bad guy and you never, ever rat out a fellow union member even if it is a safety issue.

By: darktood

darktood — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:46:48 +0000

standard socialist operating procedure, when the truth is not on your side (and it never is) lie, and when you lie, lie big.

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:38:06 +0000

Mob Tactics, ~~Union~~ Wal-Mart’s Tactics, What’s the Difference?

regmgr on March 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM

FIFY.

By: regmgr

regmgr — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:37:16 +0000

Mob Tactics, Union Tactics, What’s the Difference?

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:28:51 +0000

angryed on March 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Rasmussen poll(read: Fox leaning), and you don’t do service by hiding your blog from readers.

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:23:59 +0000

jcila on March 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Then remove the overseas argument.

By: Wyznowski

Wyznowski — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:23:48 +0000

Unions actually do very little with regards to active safety roles in the vast majority of work places. You’ll never see a union boss stick his neck out on any safety issue.

Wyznowski on March 17, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Yep, see my previous post on the subject, as someone working in the environmental, health and safety field for 21 years their BS doesn’t hold water!

Liberty or Death on March 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM

If I really worked at it, I bet I could make the case that union operations actually discourage proactive safety climates due to the monumental amounts of bureaucratic bull crap that get tossed into any company initiative.

Just today in our operation, we’ve had several union “safety cop” members attempt to completely rewrite our long established and successful lockout/taggout policy simply in order to make life difficult for management. What better way to stir the pot by raising all sorts of completely unfounded safety alarms. Now, management is insensitive to the union’s “safety concerns” and we just want to kill our employees for a $…yeah.

By: jcila

jcila — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:14:56 +0000

The unions coudltn stop when
our plants closed down
our plants went to mexico then to china
our plants had to cut costs to even hope to compete with labor in china..

Why do you think
Gm, ford, chrystler, american airlines and so many others
Are either bankrupt or almost their

the unions just demand more (and i was a union man)
until i watched the 5th printing plant move to mexico / o rthe phillipines or china
i mean they moved the entire plant to kentucky then sold it’
and that company parted it out and then sent the work overseas..

Ohh but the union boss made out great..
too bad i had to watch 5 men die of heart attacks as each plant closed..
They knew they were too old to look for new jobs and simply DDIED

BECAUSE of the UNION
So this ad is bullshit..

i got out of the industry and wont join a union plant again..
because the unions screwed the companies so hard they GM is going under..

And the unions response..
well it isnt our fault..

Sorry go sudck an egg..
if your in a union plant i tell you this as an ex union worker
Get out now because all of your jobs eventually the union will demand such outrageous stuff that the company will be forced to move overseas..

and for the CEOS your not innocent either..
because as we the workers watch your incompetence
then each cea jumps overboard with all of his suitcases stuffed with cash as the company RAMMS
EVERY ICEBERG in the OCEAN..

We the workers will also come
After you..

By: angryed

angryed — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:54:41 +0000

According to Ras, only 9% of people not in a union would like to join a union.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/jobs_employment/just_9_of_non_union_workers_want_to_join_union

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:48:54 +0000

izoneguy on March 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Not far from the truth today, even closer to the truth a century ago and in China.

By: izoneguy

izoneguy — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:42:32 +0000

Get a load of this crap the SEIU is producing:

http://vimeo.com/3152889

By: eaglewingz08

eaglewingz08 — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:39:26 +0000

SEIU = ACORN, thus any policy they are for, I must on default be against unless there’s a blue moon.

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:36:48 +0000

Finally, unions kill any industry in which they successfully infiltrate.

Only if a Third World country is allowed as an escape route.

By: Daft Punk

Daft Punk — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:20:39 +0000

sethstorm on March 17, 2009

Yawn… troll.

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:13:49 +0000

Unions are anti-worker, anti-American and anti-business. They should be banned.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I presume you also are a member of the Colorado Citizens Committee?

By: sethstorm

sethstorm — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:13:02 +0000

The ~~unions,~~labor relations firms, who work hand in hand with organized crime, are far more of a danger to the lives of workers than are ~~corporations~~ unions.

FIFY