Feds knew about new AIG bonuses for months — but Geithner only found out last week; Update: “Complete confidence” in Geithner, says WH
posted at 3:35 pm on March 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
Just a speed bump on the road to government-managed glory. Nationalization fever — catch it!
The Treasury and Federal Reserve officials said they had known about the bonus program as far back as last fall. The program has provoked public protests from a handful of critics and at least one Democratic lawmaker in Congress — Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, a member of the House Committee on Government Oversight, who demanded without success in December that A.I.G. provide information about the bonuses.
Mr. Cummings said he had been communicating regularly with A.I.G.’s chief executive, Edward M. Liddy, about the bonuses ever since December. Mr. Cummings said he was particularly concerned that the bonuses were supposed to be paid by March 15, adding that he assumed Treasury officials had the same worries…
But administration officials said that the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, did not personally become aware until last week that an even bigger round of payments was due on March 15. Administration officials said Mr. Geithner learned of the deadline early last week, when the Federal Reserve Bank of New York alerted him that the bonus payments were coming due…
A.I.G. executives said they would never have proceeded with the bonus payments before getting approval from the Treasury and the Federal Reserve.
“We would never make any important business decisions without discussing them with our government managers and owners,” said one executive, who did not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.
They paid 73 retention bonuses worth more than $1 million in all, says New York AG Andrew Cuomo, and 11 people took the money and ran. Good riddance to bad rubbish? Not so much: Read Andrew Ross Sorkin’s analysis in this morning’s Times about the special danger of AIG employees walking away. Canceling the bonuses not only sets a bad precedent for abrogating contracts and scares away talent from a company that needs it, but those who leave “might simply turn around and trade against A.I.G.’s book.” In other words, having built the company’s complex-derivatives bomb, says Sorkin, they might be the only ones who can defuse it. Does that make the bonuses a form of ransom payment? Why not demand that we double them while they’re at it?
Lest it find itself out-populisted by The One and the Democrats, the GOP’s allegedly getting ready to float its own plan to recapture the bonuses. Exit question: Good politics or bad politics?
Update: Let me borrow my exit question from the Schumer thread and rework it here. Who’s going to last longer, AIG or Tim Geithner?
“The president has complete confidence” in Geithner, Gibbs told reporters.
In Washington terms, “complete” and “confidence” are the two words no public official ever wants to hear, often a harbinger of trouble. And with public and congressional fury growing over the $165 million in bonuses, Geithner’s role in the situation is getting close scrutiny…
Asked by a reporter if Geithner had failed to understand the magnitude of the political problem that the bonuses would represent, Gibbs said that would be “very unfair” to Geithner.










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Kill me.
lorien1973 on March 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM
This guy is twice as dumb as Alberto. But since hes white and liberal, the Left doesn’t care.
Speedwagon82 on March 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM
GOP, put down the populist megaphone. Do not listen to Bill Kristol. Back away from this hot mess as quickly as possible.
myrenovations on March 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
If they add in that any politician who received donations from AIG in 2008 has to return them, then yes. (Dodd and Obama received the most). But the GOP isn’t that smart.
Wethal on March 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Here are some other bonus programs that need to be cancelled: Medicaire, Medical, Social Security, SCHIP, WIC, automatic federal pay raises, COLAs.
mr1216 on March 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Maybe the Fed had the same problem getting Geithner to answer the phone as did the British.
genso on March 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
We are the political opposition, to a sitting socialist party. It is our solemn duty to oppose.
Kent18 on March 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Ah, the art of manufactured outrage. Down with the burgeoisie, right Barack?
CP on March 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Good politics, but only because they are putting the onus on Obama and Geithner, which will make them look impotent. And that’s better than the Schumer-Dodd jihad, which will likely cost taxpayers when the AIG employees sue.
Karl on March 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
And the hits just keep on coming
midwesternperspective on March 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Coda: All campaign contributions from AIG must be returned immediately.
mr1216 on March 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Im sure they knew they’d just confuse Geithner.
Right now the little talking paperclip on Windows 95 is explaining to him how to install TurboTax.
Chuck Schick on March 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Clarence Thomas agrees.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM
“Exit question: Good politics or bad politics?”
I for one am getting real tired of ANY kind of politics.
and I KNOW i’m not the only one
notagool on March 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Bad politics. Why not go after all the politicians, Democrat or Republican that have taken the public’s money unjustifiably! Our real problem is Congress and the Executive Branch, not AIG. The American public would start cheering if the Republicans would stand up, take courage and do the right thing! We need to clean House!
Christian Conservative on March 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Exit answer: bad politics. They should have treated this just like the auto bailout and union contracts – if you want the money, change the contracts. It is too late to change the rules after the fact.
Of course, there shouldn’t have been bailouts in the first place, but we already burned that bridge.
All of this is smokescreen to divert anger from where it should properly be: Congress
Vashta.Nerada on March 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Audacity of Incompetency
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Kent18 on March 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Oppose what?
Bailouts?
Bonuses?
Or are you one of those republicans that think opposing anything done by Obama is smart politics?
barkolounger on March 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
its compeltely insance
1. geitner is a tax fraudster so i am not shocked he didnt know
2. todd and obama knew about the exemption they put it in their
3. the republicans also have no leg to stand on for the bank is in trouble and your giving the ceos bonusus?
BULLSHIT
I would have FIRED them all.
4. LET IT ALL FAIL NOW..
better to take the pain and let it fail and 10 years to clean up this mess from both sides
then to let the patient keep on bleeding to death
jcila on March 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Smoke and mirrors…why the outrage now? And how do any Republicans come out ahead by getting involved? I can’t see this ending well, so if Republicans do try to step in, instant Scapegoats.
varnson on March 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Why didn’t Geithner deputies tell him about this?
Oh yeah, I forgot.
WashJeff on March 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Have you discussed your decision with government health care managers? Sounds like you have. Thankfully you’ll never become a “burden to the State.”
mankai on March 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
That was my next joke :(
lorien1973 on March 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Audacity of Incompetency
dittos.
LGF has an interesting photo of the head of AIG financial products group in his Che Guevara Tee. Interesting.
I bet this isn’t exactly the change people thought they were voting for.
tarpon on March 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM
AP you forgot to include this:
LINK
White house defends.
Obama has “complete confidence”
Turbo Tax gone in 14 days or less.
lorien1973 on March 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Welcome to the new administration
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/x1/x6198.jpg
scalleywag on March 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
The Little Elf Timmy Geithner needs to go back to making toys for Santa Claus. Clearly not ready for prime time.
Norwegian on March 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Waitng for John McCain to name the names of those responsible for the current economic collapse and, no clueless Repubs , RINOs, it is not the Capitalistic system it is GOVERNMENT meddling in the free market thus turning it into a socialistic system!
dhunter on March 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
If the gripers want to fix the problem they created, rescind the entire bill.
EVERYONE who takes federal bail-out tax dollars beware what vindictive retributions corrupt politicians will take.
AS IF what is written within the porkulous omnibus budget and bail-out isn’t sabotage already, Democrat leadership is on the war path to enact further legislation to decimate everyone they feigned to want to help.
Audacity of corruption!
maverick muse on March 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Chuck U. Schuemer is treating to take the bonuses at 100% to get all the money back.
Sure, go ahead.
And all those executives can use Geitner’s copy of TurboTax to do their taxes next year…
SPCOlympics on March 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
What did Dodd know and when did he know it? Answer, he added the language to the TARP that allowed the bonuses to stand.
Now, everyone in Congress and the (lack of)administration is outraged. How ’bout reading a bill once in a while AND at least trying to act like adults in between accepting PAC monies.
Gohawgs on March 17, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Well that’s interesting. Sure closes the loop with AIG’s lopsided donations to Democrats; Especially Dood and Obama.
WashJeff on March 17, 2009 at 3:49 PM
It would be more interesting if he is wearing the t-shirt while behind the locked doors of the AIG building with fired up revolutionaries out in the parking lot waiting to burn the place down.
Interesting and entertaining.
myrenovations on March 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
IMPEACH OBAMA: Change We Can Believe In!
maverick muse on March 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
This guy just keeps finding checkboxes he forgot to click in TurboCompetence.
Jim Treacher on March 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
At this rate, there will be easily be a “Fuck up of the Day” desk calendar for the Obama Admin. for 2010. At least he would finally stimulate some industry.
gsherin on March 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Bad politics. Anyone watching the posturing on both sides should feel nauseous.
a capella on March 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Cummings to Julius Geithner: Beware the Ides of March!
Et tu, Barack?
Steve Z on March 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
That quote right there is the most disturbing thing I have read. A private corporation asking for permission to do something from the Federal Government. That is wrong in so many ways.
txaggie on March 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Shhhh…if you listen closely, you can almost hear the wheels of the bus as they run over Mr. Geitner. Thump. Thump.
uncivilized on March 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
That quote made me want to cry.
I for one welcome our new alien overlords.
JadeNYU on March 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
This is all fake smoke and mirrors to get you all think about it instead of the Veterans Medical Insurance Scandal.
Operation change the subject.
dogsoldier on March 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Once those types of statements are issued, time to apply for a job at a financial firm that you bailed out.
WashJeff on March 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Simple declarative sentence rendered simpler still, via bolding.
Amateurish assumption. I am not a Republican; I am a conservative.
Kent18 on March 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
The GOP should simply spell out these facts to America.
There are two problems, however, with this approach:
1) The MSM would embargo all comments made by Republicans.
2) The GOP has no balls.
Tinian on March 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM
What’s worse is that one else is balking at the implications of that quote. It’s quite troubling.
lorien1973 on March 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Ready…….shoot……aim!
grapeknutz on March 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Reverse 1 and 2; and change 2 to “GOP is part of the problem most of the time”
lorien1973 on March 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Why didn’t Sen. Dodd (Democrat-CT) tell Timmy-boy about these, that Dodd specifically put in the porkulus bill.
rbj on March 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
I took it as a ‘sell’ recommendation.
Vashta.Nerada on March 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
NEW REALITY SHOW IDEA
Modeled after the Apprentice. Have a competition where we widdle down ten contentests where the winner gets Geitner’s job. Obviously, the initial ten candidates have to be uniquely qualified (i.e., have not paid some of their legally owed taxes in the last seven years).
WashJeff on March 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM
We are so doomed….
Wine_N_Dine on March 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM
But…but…Obama did give a good speech!
stonemeister on March 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM
“But on a lighter note, Timmy’s Lego replica of the Resolute desk is shaping up very nicely.”
AubieJon on March 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM
My suspicious mind about not getting the 18 or so treasury nominees is bho does not want anyone who has any idea on how to run the treasury under Geithner. That man is an idjit! They are doing a grand snow job on us taxpayers. Just look at Geithners face, he looks like he has no idea what is happening.
L
letget on March 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Puke.
What a load of self important crap.
Republicans are the opposition. Not some nebulous so called conservative movement that can’t decide whether a talk show host or a religious zealot is their leader.
Do you honestly think just because you are embarrassed by the republicans you can pretend your ‘conservative’ brethren are beyond reproach, above the fray, and somehow not responsible for the mess our party is in?
barkolounger on March 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM
This is why it is important to govern by principles instead of polls. Principles instead of image, or persona and charm. This whole AIG is smoke and mirrors, its the same thing with the whole Rush Limbaugh vs the white house drama. Everyone just needs to breath, especially in government…there constant meddling is causing more dust in the air…and its either by design or sheer incompetence. Either way, when you are so focused about today, versus looking ahead, you will lose the chess game every time.
Conservative Voice on March 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Give credit where it’s due. Tapper was relentless about this today during the WH presser, despite Gibbs saying “we’re looking forward” dozens of times. He’s been pretty good these past two months.
LastRick on March 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM
I wonder just what would happen if everyone working at AIG just decided not to. I mean, they’re putting forth extraordinary effort in difficult circumstances, only to be vilified by the administration and pilloried in the press. Why not just walk?
Last time I checked, involuntary servitude was expressly forbidden in the Constitution, and it’d be a real test of the nonexistent Treasury Department to walk into startlingly empty offices and try to reboot everything.
The ultimate Galt….
cthulhu on March 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Awwww. Looks as if somebody’s got sand in his vagina.
Bored now.
Kent18 on March 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM
This is more like Shoot, Aim, Ready, Whoops!
Prompterbama Strikes again!
Look left.. look right… repeat often!
Atlanta Media Guy on March 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Whatever.
The bonuses are a drop in the bucket compared to the blatant theft of the whole Bailout Boondoggle.
The GOP should try to repeal TARP and put an end to this Economic Fascism once and for all.
Rae on March 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Gibbs saying “we’re looking forward” dozens of times
LastRick on March 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM
It’s kind of hard to “look backwards” when you have to run from one screw up to the next. Someone might fall and get hurt. /:P
milwife88 on March 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Obama doesn’t care… its PARTY TIME at the White House!!!!
Maxx on March 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM
We should believe that the “man uniquely qualified to handle this economic mess” doesn’t have a clue as to what is going on? Why of course we should.
katiejane on March 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
barkolounger on March 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Most republicans, esp conservatives backed President Clinton when Clinton did the right thing.
If Obama started to govern more conservative…I would support him, but he has yet to do anything conservative, so I will oppose him.
FYI, I also opposed President Bush when he didn’t do the right thing, as well as many conservatives did. We need to hold BOTH parties to the fire, because they are both so off its awful.
Conservative Voice on March 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom. – Kodos (Simpsons)
lorien1973 on March 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
GOP stay away from all Obama-involved controversies.
Obama will turn them all on the Republicans with the “blame Bush” paintbrush and the media gladly help do the painting.
albill on March 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
aig and the democrats were think as thieves in the muni-bond scandal that brought down richardson and larry langford of alabama among others.
rob verdi on March 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
According to Rush Limbaugh, Geithner provided AIG oversight when the contract was written, thus providing for these bonuses. Geithner is up to his ears in this bullshit.
Keemo on March 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
He can start a line of Curious Hussien Monkey dolls. Don’t forget the kaffia.
Kuffar on March 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Good politics, attrocious economics and morals.
MarkTheGreat on March 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Thick as thieves, my bad!
rob verdi on March 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
+1
rbj on March 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Let’s see now. When the bonuses were paid it was perfectly legal to do so. Matter of fact it was a contractual requirement. Correct?
Does not the Constitution prohibit taking actions, such as passing new laws, after the fact to punish any single individual or group for doing something that was legal when they did it?
Oldnuke on March 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Nobody’s asking them to. You guys are the ones who can’t figure out what you believe without someone to lead you around.
Jim Treacher on March 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Which is why the republicans will never gain a foothold.
lorien1973 on March 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Did you just call Joe Biden “The Man in the Yellow Hat”…? ;)
Kent18 on March 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Cosigned +100.
Kent18 on March 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM
These folks (ALL OF THEM) better start giving some thought to what they are doing. Whiping up all this hate and discontent can have some unfortunate consequences and I suppose they will act shocked and amazed after spending months stirring the pot. I don’t believe anyone anymore.
Cindy Munford on March 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
He is a uniquely qualified incompetent. He is the poster boy for people who claim you have to pay to get the best. You get the best but the best what again?
rsl775 on March 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Anyone who believes that Geithner found out last week or Obama wasn’t clued in all along contact me, I have some credit default swaps for sale.
msmveritas on March 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
AIG folks are already receiving death threats because of the Obambi show.
AubieJon on March 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Really? Geither didn’t know when he helped DESIGN THE BAILOUT?
Doesn’t the American public need to know Geithner’s buddies at AIG used them as a conduit to help Paulson’s buddies at Goldman Sachs and FOREIGN BANKS?
These bonuses were contracted WAY before any bailouts started, and I’d be willing to bet most of these “horrible” executives are Dem donors.
Forunately, it looks like stuff like this may kill TARP II and further bailouts which would be a good thing!
PastorJon on March 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
GOP, put down the shovel and step away from the hole!
sabbott on March 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM
myrenovations, I’m with you on this one…GOP, step away from this mess ASAP.
golfer1 on March 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
myrenovations, I’m with you on this one…GOP, step away from this mess ASAP.
golfer1 on March 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Conservative Voice on March 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
That’s pretty convenient considering the average rate with which Republican members of congress voted with President Bush is 94%.
As for BO, he kept Gates, appointed James Jones, voted for FISA, and his justice Dept. has fought to uphold Bush cases.
All the partisan hackery will win us nothing but contempt from the voting public.
What ‘conservatives’ seem to forget is these forums are public. If people want to take shots at the president for stupid trivial make believe scandals they should do it on private chats. The bile, venom, and outright bigoted hostility found in every single thread here and most conservative forums will do nothing but turn off the very people we need to regain power and fix these policies.
It’s like smart conservatives have been replaced by retarded zealots.
barkolounger on March 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
It’s more like: “Get out of the backhoe.”
thomasaur on March 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
That’s what I understand. It’s all fun and games until someone gets poked in the eye. Or worse.
Cindy Munford on March 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
I wrote the exact same thing to my senators, pre-porkulous. For what it was worth.
Cindy Munford on March 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Wonder if Charles Krauthammer would like to re-visit his proclamation a while back that was something to the effect that any Republican that opposed Geitner was not serious.
thirteen28 on March 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
I’d also like to know how much in local, state and federal taxes were ALREADY withheld when these were paid out? I know when I get bonuses, they get taxed at the top marginal rate, even though I’m not at it normally.
PastorJon on March 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM
They didn’t care about that old thing when they forced lenders to rewrite mortgages for a bunch of irresponsible crybabies. I don’t see why they’d start caring about it now.
Rae on March 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM
AIG too big to fail? The answer coming very soon.
RobCon on March 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
By the way………..
……… how’s that recovery plan thingy coming along?
Oops, didn’t want to interrupt the St. Pati’s day party……….
Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
“Us.” I do not think this word means what you’re trying to make people think you think it means.
Jim Treacher on March 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I call Bullsnot. Where did Geithner work before coming to Washington? The Federal Reserve Bank of New York. When was that? As late as Dec. of 2008, anyway. THERE WAS A $55 MILLION PAYMENT OF BONUSES TO AIG IN DECEMBER. What did Tim do while at the NY Fed? Help engineer the “saving” of AIG, among other things.
How on EARTH could he not know?
hawksruleva on March 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM
CAH-loo-less, because Prezzy O hasn’t gotten the Secretary…a secretary.
tree hugging sister on March 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM
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