American Legion commander “angered” after meeting Obama

posted at 7:00 pm on March 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Apparently, the Obama administration hasn’t backed away from its plans to start offloading costs for wounded veterans to third-party insurance, which will make acquiring such insurance nearly impossible.  The commander of the American Legion emerged from a meeting with President Obama “angered” at Obama’s insistence on generating revenue from those who sacrificed for American security:

The leader of the nation’s largest veterans organization says he is “deeply disappointed and concerned” after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

“It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan,” said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. “He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it.”

The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, “This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ‘ to care for him who shall have borne the battle’ given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm’s way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America’s veterans!”

Commander Rehbein was among a group of senior officials from veterans service organizations joining the President, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, the overseer of defense spending at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The group’s early afternoon conversation at The White House was precipitated by a letter of protest presented to the President earlier this month. The letter, co-signed by Commander Rehbein and the heads of ten colleague organizations, read, in part, ” There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran’s personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide. While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable.”

The Obama administration explains that it wants private insurers who sell coverage to vets to pay their fair share, but there are two things wrong with that argument.  First, the United States has a moral obligation to provide treatment for those wounded in the service of their country. That’s a commitment we make to the people who enlist in military, and should not get outsourced.

Second, vets with service-related injuries and illnesses can only get third-party insurance because insurers know the US will cover all service-related medical treatment through the VA.  If the government reneges on that commitment, it will put insurers on the hook for veterans already enrolled — but it will make it a lot harder for the next set of veterans to get insured.  It will also raise costs to the rest of the insured by those companies, when the burden should fall on all Americans equally.

If the country needs more revenue streams, it should find some other way to find them than the backs of our wounded veterans.  They’ve sacrificed enough.  Shame on the Obama administration for attempting to weasel out of our commitment.

Update: This Ain’t Hell wonders when General Eric Shinseki will resign in protest.


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Obama is so imbued with socialist dogma, he has gone stark, raving mad.

whitetop on March 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM

While Bill Clinton was president, I vehemently disagreed with most of his policies and disapproved of his conduct in the Oval Orifice. But I never disrespected the office.

That’s changed under The Anointed One. I routinely refer to Him as a “bastard” and an “SOB.” Oh, and the tagline used by the Left under Bush: Not. My. President.

pdigaudio on March 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Puritan1648

Anytime, bro. I’d do it all again in a heartbeat if I could.

My son is currently watching this debate with interest. He’s in the airborne, and knows full well the risks of peacetime training, let alone the risks of combat.

Here’ what a lot of these Gubmint bean-counters and slack-jawed politicians miss: There have always been recruits for the ranks of our military, because there have always been those who look around and understand that yes, there is something in the nation that is worth risking my life to defend. There is an inherent understanding of the worth of our Constitution, and the protections it enshrines for all citizens, that makes it easy for those who get it to step forward and say “I’ll go.”

Veterans have always understood the dangers of service, but enter into that contract with the full understanding that if anything happened, they’d be taken care of. Our Code of Conduct promises that no one will ever be left behind, that our government will always watch out for us. In return, we promise to defend, with our own lives, if needs be, the Constitution, and to carry out the legal orders of those appointed over us.

If the government now chooses to renege on it’s solemn oath, it’s very word, then it means that the government’s words are worthless. How will you convince a man to undertake a dangerous mission if he believes his government will not support him?

By taking such actions, by even considering such actions as this current administration has regarding veteran’s health issues, that same government has shown itself to be untrustworthy, and beneath contempt.

The worth of any government is measured by it’s word, it’s pledge. When a government’s word is not trustworthy, then neither is any part of that government, and it should be replaced, and that sooner rather than later.

respects,

AW1 Tim on March 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM

This is the kind of patriotic action we expect from our elected leader? If we can impeach Bubba for inserting cigars in to an intern’s private parts in the Oval office, we should be able to impeach this traitor for ruining our country.

ObamatheMessiah on March 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The debt we owe the people who fight for this country is not to be lawyered away. Or is there more here?

If he wanted to eliminate a center of opposition, namely the military, by deterring recruitment, he might think of something like this. Did our Founding Fathers ever contemplate a situation where a standing army might be the bulwark of our freedom and our Republic against a usurping government?

dhimwit on March 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM

We Americans owe our service personnel something…and it isn’t to find a cheaper way to shuttle them off into oblivion…what’s being suggested is akin to pushing the gurney of an incovenient patient into a dark hallway until they can be gotten to at the staff’s leisure. All to save a few dollars…so we can pay ACORN salaries, making it possible for them to defraud future elections…or finance moral outrage masquerading as art through to NEA.

…let the NEA, ACORN, the teachers unions, and other such vermin learn from their media outlet, public television. Let ‘em hold telethons, and have very sincere horsey women and metrosexual men interrupt “Faulty Towers” to flog coffee cups and calendars in exchange for “supporting the agenda of the Left”.

…and let’s then turn the budgets and “stimulus” money earmarked for them over to the VA…for our heroes….

Puritan1648 on March 17, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Hell, I’d go farther than that. The current financial crisis was largely caused by Congress, and most of the specific malefactors are still there. Giving money to the exact same people who violated the public trust through Fannie Mae, and continue to make ridiculous mistakes like the AIG bailout/bonus debacle, is a failure of the government’s responsibility to protect the public treasury – it’s like watching an incompetent investment counselor blow your life savings after pocketing half your money, then being asked to run up your credit cards and take out a second mortgage to give him more cash to play with.

We are told repeatedly that Bush bears much of the blame, but he’s long gone – the Democrat Congress is the problem that needs solving. And since the Democrats and their president keep telling us the military is the only branch of the federal government that can make do with less funding, while simultaneously assuring us they worship the competence and bravery of our armed forces, there seems one clear solution to clear up the economic crisis and out-of-control government spending:

Congress should have the courage of its convictions and resign en masse, to be replaced by a temporary, non-partisan Congress made up of retired military officers. These are men and women who won two wars Democrats assured us were utterly unwinnable – they were supposed to perish in the brutal Afghan winter, buried in the graveyard of empires, and Democrat congressional leaders were openly advocating retreat and surrender in Iraq as recently as last year. Somehow the military won these wars anyway, using a budget roughly as large as the amount of money Obama thinks we should spend on global warming research and expanded benefits for illegal aliens. Obviously, these are the people who can whip the federal government into shape!

Put retired military officers in complete control of the federal budget, with the objective of achieving a zero deficit by 2012. Then we could resume regular Congressional elections to replace them. The markets would soar, and we’d finally have a Congress that earned its 90% retention rate in the next elections.

Doctor Zero on March 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Doctor Zero on March 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Best idea I’ve heard in a long time.

But is it constitutional?

UltimateBob on March 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

The current “Commander in Chief” has forgotton our men and women who have served our country so well, and I thank each and everyone of you to whom this applies. To abandon our veterans in this fashion not only shows how callous and shallow a man he really is, but shows incompetance on a scale that is totally off the charts. Our service members deserve better, as we depend on them to defend our country in time of need. Maybe Obambi should think about that next time our guys are protecting him.

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on March 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

What is a leg lost in combat to the true misery of working at McDonalds when you’re in college? Obama is right to chuck the wounded veterans in favor of Julio.

spmat on March 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

What do you expect from a politician (not a leader) schooled in Chicago Democratic Machine politics, who never served a single day in any branch of the Armed Forces?

B.O. is now officially stinking up the place!

pilamaye on March 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Ok, I know this is going to sound….errr, somewhat backhanded…especially coming from a wounded Vietnam veteran, but I hope this really gets legs; not to the point of passing, just a lot of press. This is the kind of thing that has the potential to bring down this monstrositity of an administration…….at the very least, this should eat up as much as 8% in approval ratings for the messiah.

norm1111 on March 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM

This in essence is already happening to active duty. When I take myself or my children to the base clinic we have to fill out on an annual basis a form that states wether or not we have third party insurance. We are not required as of yet to carry third party insurance but, we do have to show them the card we get when we fill out the form. It is only a matter of time before we (active duty family members) will have to have thrid party insurance.

milwife88 on March 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Ok, I know this is going to sound….errr, somewhat backhanded…especially coming from a wounded Vietnam veteran, but I hope this really gets legs; not to the point of passing, just a lot of press. This is the kind of thing that has the potential to bring down this monstrositity of an administration…….at the very least, this should eat up as much as 8% in approval ratings for the messiah.

norm1111 on March 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I am with you on that…………….

..and Welcome Home Brother.

Old Hippie Vet on March 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Barack Hussein Obama is the anti-Christ

byteshredder on March 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM

obumma isn’t just a socialist, he’s anti-American. He appears to be against everything espoused by the Judeo-Christian foundations of the USA. Billions for people who default on contracts, but he stands with his pockets inside-out when it comes to injured veterans!!!!!

cjk on March 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Norm1111 and Old Hippie Vet: This will be clouded, misrepresented, and hidden by the media.

cjk on March 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Guys and gals, meet at VFW’s. I feel u might get in trouble venting online. As for me my kids will never apply for those lib colleges.

ProudPalinFan on March 17, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Barack Hussein Obama is the anti-Christ

byteshredder on March 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM

+1000!!!

ProudPalinFan on March 17, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Simply put, Comrade Obama has just declared war on every veteran in America.

He will get all the war he wants.

If you are a veteran and don’t belong to the American Legion and the VFW – join. Today. This is the best way to bring pressure on the malignant twerp.

There are other ways but they should not be discussed here. I suggest having a few beers with other veterans at a private location. You can probably come up with some good ideas.

lonesomecharlie on March 17, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I’m not sure why I foolishly believed Ed Morrissey’s version of events on this story. After actually reading other sources it is clear that Obama is going to increase funding to the VA by a significant margin and that there would be no move towards privatizing insurance sans major health care system reform. Fool me at all, shame on me. Bad Ed.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Norm1111 and Old Hippie Vet: This will be clouded, misrepresented, and hidden by the media.

cjk on March 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM

That’s why you and I and everyone here needs to be forwarding this info to everyone on our email list. That’s why it should be brought up and talked about at the water cooler, constantly. That’s why it should be printed out and taken to any kind of gathering and/or protest.

The media will not report it, other than Fox. Just like they aren’t reporting on the tea parties.

Face it, we were asleep at the wheel, and our country has been taken over by stealth. And now we’re going to have to take it back by building a grassroots force

What’s really bizarre is I

Sugarbuzz on March 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM

$900 million for the Hamas jihadists. Not one cent for America’s veterans.

pdigaudio on March 17, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Hey, I wonder who will be on the Glenn Beck special this Friday?

More tears? More crying? More fake-emotional angst? I swear Glenn Beck is the conservative white man’s answer to Oprah. Grab the kleenex and the b*tch tits.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 17, 2009 at 1:27 PM

With great sadness I have to say that this does not surprise me. The SOB-in-Chief is the most anti-American, unpatriotic, ungrateful,disrespectful human being in the White House I have ever seen.

I want to see this covered big time. I can’t believe this would pass but who knows with the socialists in the WH.

Mother of wounded former-Marine

blr2449 on March 17, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I’m not sure why I foolishly believed Ed Morrissey’s version of events on this story. After actually reading other sources it is clear that Obama is going to increase funding to the VA by a significant margin and that there would be no move towards privatizing insurance sans major health care system reform. Fool me at all, shame on me. Bad Ed.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Give it up dude. The One could tell you to eat the corn out of his poop and you’d be tying on your bib with a grin on your face.

Sugarbuzz on March 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM

I’ve been a repub/conserv all my life (43 yrs), but some of the hate and vitriol coming out in this site is sad….
“Time to overthrow the turd in the White House. Tea parties are too civil at this point. Too much is at stake here.”

ErinF on March 17, 2009 at 9:59 AM

“Like I said before, all this will end in blood… lots of it.”

Friendly21 on March 17, 2009 at 8:50 AM

ErinF on March 17, 2009 at 9:59 AM “Can we say COUP.”

….and people complain abot DKOS and HUFFPO, this site isn’t any better (sorry michelle), but, I know, you guys are RIGHT!!…and that makes it o.k.
I’m not sure this is my republican party anymore…. AP I feel your pain..

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Best idea I’ve heard in a long time.

But is it constitutional?

UltimateBob on March 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

It’s gotta be at least as constitutional as state-run health care. As long as the existing members of Congress resign voluntarily, the various state rules for appointing their replacements would come into effect. There’s no reason those replacements couldn’t be ex-military men and women. Maybe we could call it “Operation Blago.”

The trick will be getting Congress to resign. Pitchforks and torches would be helpful visual aids to persuade them.

Doctor Zero on March 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I’m late on the thread, so I may have missed someone else making the point, but this is really an attempt to provide an argument for socialized medicine. It’ll go something liek this: When even wounded vets cannot get treatment under our broken system, the country must take drastic action.

And with the harsh examination the media has put the Obama under, he obviously has every expectation of shouldering the blame for this atrocity.

This truly is amateur hour.

hulbstar on March 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

There’s no free lunch and resources will always be limited. If you weren’t wounded in battle, you’re getting treated at the VA and you have private insurance, your private insurance should pay.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM


Free lunch, that phrase still rankles. That’s what you think wounded vets get? 5.2 billion in the stimulus bill for Acorn to pursue their ongoing campaign of voter fraud, but vets are to be stripped of medical care for lost limbs… a savings of .54 billion, a tenth of Acorn’s share of the pie. That is one expensive lunch.

Consanescerion on March 17, 2009 at 2:02 PM

No doubt about it, this POS HATES America!!

kayo on March 17, 2009 at 2:05 PM

This administration really pisses me off.

usarmyretired on March 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Oh, and thanks to the BullSCHIP expansion, illegal aliens get free health care … but not troops wounded in combat, who have to pay for their own treatment.

pdigaudio on March 17, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I’ve been a repub/conserv all my life (43 yrs), but some of the hate and vitriol coming out in this site is sad….

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM


That’s really odd… I looked up your other comments on HotAir, and they read like plain old Democratic talking points. Yet you say you’ve been a conservative all your life. Huh.

When American heroes are treated the way that this administration intends to, expect vitriol. Still, some words you quoted are unwise. Not as violent as an average DKos or HuffPo thread, but we conservatives are better than they.

Consanescerion on March 17, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Don’t know if this has been mentioned yet but there maybe a silver lining to all this …

This President scares me and I don’t think it is inconceivable that if we have a nation wide riots he declares martial law and suspends our remaining rights.

But this attack on the military ensures that loyalty to the Demagogue in Chief is not automatic. He won’t have the guns to exert power.

SPCOlympics on March 17, 2009 at 2:24 PM

The Fraudulent One is a pathetic, stinking heap of offal.

Jarhead68 on March 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Seems to me that a service related injury is akin to a Workmans Comp injury. I don’t believe that the government would allow my employer to not pay for my injury. Why would the Armed Forces be treated any differently??

shineboxjed on March 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Free lunch, that phrase still rankles. That’s what you think wounded vets get?

Good lord, did you read anything here?

“Service-Connected” does not necessarily equate to “wounded in battle”.

If a vet is wounded in battle, agree, he shouldn’t have to pay a dime or have his insurance company pay anything.

“Service-Connected” can also mean I injured my knee while off duty and the military repaired my knee.

Ten years later, I can go to the VA and have them scope it again. Should my private insurance company pay a porition? Why shouldn’t they?

NoDonkey on March 17, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Let’s not get lazy with the facts here.

AW1 Tim on March 17, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Here’s the definition:

Service-connected: Generally a service-connected disability is a disability that VA determines was incurred or aggravated while on active duty in the military and in the line of duty. A service-connected rating is an official ruling by VA that your illness/condition is directly related to your active military service. Service-connected ratings are established by VA Regional Offices located throughout the country.

I’ve seen line of duty (LOD) investigations done. LOD just means you weren’t doing anything illegal, like drinking and driving. You can have a stomach ailment that would have occurred whether you joined the service or not and have that classified as “line of duty”.

Perhaps they need to come up with different definitions. Wounded in battle, training, while in a combat zone in combat operations – not pay a dime.

But I still don’t see why injuries and ailments outside of these, should be shielded from private insurance collections. And the DoD has been doing this for years, so I don’t see why the VA shouldn’t be as well.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2009 at 3:08 PM

I don’t believe that the government would allow my employer to not pay for my injury. Why would the Armed Forces be treated any differently??

shineboxjed on March 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Military medicine fixes active duty injuries and pays a disability check for a lifetime in some cases.

The VA doesn’t get involved until AFTER active duty is over, so this is not an issue.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Looks like this would take congress to enact… which, from the original story at CNN, appears wholly unlikely. Thank goodness for that.
As a veteran though I am apalled that the CIC would even allow a subordinate to consider such a thing.

I keep trying not to be to radical in my interpretation of what our president has been doing… but… it’s… getting.. harder… to… control… fist…. of… death….

dragonlord on March 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Slightly OT -

I know an Iraq War veteran that the VA deemed 100% disabled. He was wounded while riding in a gun tourret in a humvee that hit an IED. One arm was torn up, and he received chest and back injuries as he slammed back and forwards against the gun and tourett. The VA is going to fix him up.

He didn’t receive a purple heart. No blood…no medic stopping blood, no purple heart.

What’s up with that?

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM

NoDonkey the problem with your idea is that guys permanently injured during training get no coverage?

I was injured, fortunately not permanently, but it could have gone the other way. I was acting as a road guard as my unit crossed the road, waving my flashlight at 0520 and I got hit by a truck, because the driver was fooling with something on the seat and not looking. Fortunately, he hit me and stopped.

That could have turned out a lot worse than it did. I was back in my unit in a couple days and shipped out when they did. (My hand and wrist in a cast no less)

dogsoldier on March 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM

of course and when obama and the libs
DO this

We go to WAR..
i think its time to destroy and arrest and try every member of
Congress
House of representatives
the state department
Liberal judges
The white house (yes obama)
and then clean out all of the state governments as well.

they are all incompeting , corrupt and evil..
we need to clean house..

jcila on March 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM

He didn’t receive a purple heart. No blood…no medic stopping blood, no purple heart.

What’s up with that?

So if he got his jaw broken by the rifle butt of an insurgent, he wouldn’t get a Purple Heart?

That’s jacked up.

SPCOlympics on March 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Sent a note to the gubmit (via whitehouse website):
Complaint:
Mr. President,
I haved learned recently that your Veterans Affairs Secretary General Eric Shinseki is thinking of having GIs use third party insurers for service related injuries/disabilities.

I am a veteran of the Army sir. And I am very concerned and disgusted by this news.
Nothing can justify billing our service men for injuries received in the service of their country.
Our service men and women have already paid their premiums in full sir, the minute they take the oath of service.

dragonlord on March 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM

So if he got his jaw broken by the rifle butt of an insurgent, he wouldn’t get a Purple Heart?

That’s jacked up.

SPCOlympics on March 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM

I agree. I had never heard of such a thing. But Kerry has 3!

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM

This issue is showing that Obama is neither as politically savvy or as thoughtful as his supporters tried to portray. There are few things you can do in America to register the disgust of the American public as quickly as screw over our wounded military veterans. Apparently Obama is reaping the rewards earned from his far left political leanings and the similar politics of his advisory staff.

Hawthorne on March 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM

no pissing match here, voted for portman (R), Schmidt(R), Bush twice(R), Taft twice(R), etc, etc, etc,. I,m from cincy for god’s sakes!
like I said, maybe I don’t fit in this party anymore, which makes me sad, cuz I’ll never vote for a democrat.All I was saying is that the hate being spewed is ugly, and I’m not sure I want to be affiliated with it. So I know…..I should just go away….I’m just a rhino…blah, blah, blah.
no wonder the party is losing memebers left and right.

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Let’s look at this a different way. In the recent Porkulus package we spent many times what we would have needed for maintaining the VA properly.

Some of the things in the Porkulus bill are:

$300 million to buy “green” cars for federal employees.
$200 million to “design and furnish” the Dept. of Homeland Security HQ
$3.4 billion to research clean-coal technology

I am sure that even in just these three items I could have easily reduced them enough to find the $500 million and change required to avoid making our wounded vets pay for their care.

Are we seriously saying that we need to make our vets pay their own medical on service-related injuries RIGHT NOW, but we can afford to spend $3.4 billion on clean coal research RIGHT NOW. How about we cut the funding for clean coal down to $2.8 billion and give our veterans their medical care?

Hawthorne on March 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Like it or not, the “moderates” spew plenty of hate here too. The conservatives get pretty tired of getting called on it while the flip side of the coin can just do whatever they please and it is all good.

If you are going to preach unity then apply it to everybody. Hold your side just as accountable. Because if you remember right, it was the “moderates” that wanted to purge us evil conservatives from the party first. We were clearly the reason for all of the losses in previous elections. So why are you surprised when the other side gets upset about it and fights back?

Hawthorne on March 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM

sorry, never realized that there were two “sides” to the party. I’d try and hold my “side” accountable, but I’m not sure what “side” of the party my beliefs fit in anymore. My idea of unity is being American first, party second (remember?), and I appreciate conservatives fighting back for their deserved place, but the death threats… and violent rhetoric… is it really necessary, or needed to prove a point? If we are the party of intellect and thinkers, why all the hate? again, I’m sorry…I mean no disrespect…just trying to see where I fit in …

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Obama’s a racist pig. You think I should be nice to him, give him a hug? Obama’s not playing tiddlywinks. Neither should you.

RickZ on March 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM

“Obama’s a racist pig”
example…………….M….why do I find myself defending a man I have little respect for? Why, Rick, is he a racist pig? Did I miss a speech of his or something? I’m just trying to make a point here, and now I’M DEFENDING OBAMA!! Perhaps I should just take my opinion elsewhere, never meant to pi** anyone off.Sheez.

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

It’s hard to believe that people really voted for this guy! Where’s the $540 Million going to? Illegal immigrant hospitalization?

regmgr on March 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Good lord, did you read anything here?

“Service-Connected” does not necessarily equate to “wounded in battle”.


But then, you say that this distinction is without a difference:

But I still don’t see why injuries and ailments outside of these, should be shielded from private insurance collections. And the DoD has been doing this for years, so I don’t see why the VA shouldn’t be as well.

NoDonkey on March 17, 2009 at 3:08 PM


Of course you don’t see why, you resent their “free lunch”. I’m sure the DoD bills private insurance for its civilian employees, but I have have never seen or heard of private insurance being billed for the combat wounds of active-duty soldiers. I can imagine what the hospitalization co-pay on shrapnel might cost if done through a private PPO. Would a soldier get discharged without physical therapy if he couldn’t afford the co-pay? How preposterous.

Consanescerion on March 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM

I just emailed my two senators and congressman (all GOP) regarding this matter. I wanted to make sure they understood that people are looking at this matter now and we won’t wait until this travesty is foisted on this nations bravest.

My congressman is on the Veteran’s committee. He’s a freshman congressman, so he won’t have much weight, but he’s also a veteran and an M.D.

We have to start bombarding Congress N-O-W!!!!

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 6:42 PM

This is not the united states I grew up in. Pass the ammo please.

aceinstall on March 17, 2009 at 6:44 PM

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 6:42 PM

oops.

congressman = representative

My bad.

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Why, Rick, is he a racist pig? Did I miss a speech of his or something?

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

You must of missed that whole 20+ year stint of Obama sitting in Reverrunatthemouth’s racist Black Liberation Theology Church. Black Liberation Theology is racist from the get-go, with Wright piling on. But you don’t see any Obama racism in that, do you? You don’t see any Obama racism in the Porkulus Bill, where money is not to go to white businesses? Obama’s a racist, and that’s not an opinion, but a conclusion based upon the empirical evidence (that we’ve been permitted so see) of Obama’s past.

RickZ on March 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM

To RickZ:You forgot to mention that he also brought up his two young daughters in that obviously racist environment. If my children were ever exposed to any such talk ala rev. wright’s style whether in CHURCH!! or not, they would have received an immediate talk from me and we would never have attended any such place again.

cjk on March 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM

No Donkey please explain your service to this country and I’ll explain mine…. I need to understand your thought process about this ongoing thread.

MNDavenotPC on March 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM

cjk on March 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM

There’s just so much to mention, like Obama being a speaker at Farrakhan’s Million Couple of Hundred Thousand (Black) Man march. Farrakhan is another example of a fine human being from Obama’s past (and present).

RickZ on March 17, 2009 at 8:41 PM

My son is currently watching this debate with interest. He’s in the airborne, and knows full well the risks of peacetime training, let alone the risks of combat….

…Airborne, huh…defect in the gene pool…lack of respect for gravity, convention, and bigger dogs…considers dropping under-supplied into a sh*tstorm to cause havoc and deflower virgins of any species a brisk day’s work…Special Forces, Ranger, or any of the many flavors of Airborne infantry and supporting arms, it’s a congenital curse….

…I know…got the same defect myself…no pill can cure that ill…but alcohol helps….

…Airborne…must’ve raised the boy right….

The worth of any government is measured by it’s word, it’s pledge. When a government’s word is not trustworthy, then neither is any part of that government, and it should be replaced, and that sooner rather than later.

respects,

AW1 Tim on March 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM

…here’s the same thing, in sorta different words:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

…they go on to list some of those abuses…none of them, at the time, having to do with elections stolen by ACORN, money stolen to fund TARP, or this latest boondoggle about veterans care, but the message is the same….

…now, I’m not advocating that we rise up, mobs bristling with pitchforks and torches, but I am pointing out precedent….

…after all…the people shouldn’t fear the government, but it’s a healthy thing for the government — and all its little apparachniks — to fear the people….

Puritan1648 on March 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM

We have to start bombarding Congress N-O-W!!!!

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 6:42 PM

…a splendid notion!

…oh…you mean with e-mail….

…nevermind….

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Puritan1648 on March 17, 2009 at 9:41 PM

The smell of sedition reeks as much when it comes from our side as it does from the moonbats.

How long before the extremists take over the party as well as conservative forums?

barkolounger on March 17, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I’ve been a repub/conserv all my life (43 yrs), but some of the hate and vitriol coming out in this site is sad….

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

When American heroes are treated the way that this administration intends to, expect vitriol.

Consanescerion on March 17, 2009 at 2:19 PM

…there are some things in this life, and in the life of nations, which merit gettings ones hackles up…that’s a tactic of the left: count on the native manners and good citizenship of your opponents to allow time to select just the right spot to insert your dagger…while feeling no compunction when dishing out the bile yourself…as, of course, the left has a lock on virtue….

…or, put another way, when you put your thumb in the bear’s eye, expect the bear to…er…register his disapproval….

Puritan1648 on March 17, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Puritan1648 on March 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM

*kiss* My son is USAF Security Forces in S Korea.

Luv ya, man…

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Puritan1648 on March 17, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Email, snail mail, phone calls…keep he SS at bay…

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 10:30 PM

I’ve been a repub/conserv all my life (43 yrs), but some of the hate and vitriol coming out in this site is sad….

greataunty on March 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

To surely quote my USAF son…
…STFU….you have never been conservative, despite your words…and yeah, I read your words that you posted after 1:45PM…

ladyingray on March 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM

I’ve lurked on this site for quite some time and have posted infrequently but the thought of any vet with service-related injuries and illnesses billing private insurance and letting the goverment off the hook is despicable.In going forward with this program shows the utter contempt this administration has towards the military.Well you know what #@$% you omumble and the rest of the cowardly ba$%ards that run your fiefdom.I’ve put up to long with uninformed people giving this clown a pass…hope and change my a$$.

raceroh on March 17, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Thanks for the hate everyone, I guess you all told me! By the way Rickz, don’t forget about Obama’s secret meetings with Bill Ayers where they hatched the master plan to take over the world from their home base in Kenya! That speerchucker ain’t even no u es of a citizen, dangit! I SAY WE FIND SOME ROPE, EH BOYS!!!
Anyway, back to the thread. I was able to find many links that supported the exact opposite of what Ed has written (imagine the luck!) but, I know, we don’t want any FACTS to dispute and pollute all the stuff being thrown around here, do we?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/obamas_remarks_on_veterans_aff.html
http://veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4640
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/03/military_veterans_programs_031609w/
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/02/military_pay_raise_obama_022609w/

greataunty on March 18, 2009 at 4:29 AM

I’m not sure this is my republican party anymore…. AP I feel your pain..

greataunty

If you want nice, join a quilting bee. Politics, and discussion of same, is not nice and never has been. Your complaints about the coarseness of the comments will be ignored in the order they were received.
Not surprised you identify with beta males.

SKYFOX on March 18, 2009 at 5:40 AM

I guess you all told me! By the way Rickz, don’t forget about Obama’s secret meetings with Bill Ayers where they hatched the master plan to take over the world from their home base in Kenya! That speerchucker ain’t even no u es of a citizen, dangit! I SAY WE FIND SOME ROPE, EH BOYS!!!

greataunty on March 18, 2009 at 4:29 AM

Bill Ayers you say? And the secret meetings to take over the world? How about Obama’s not-so-secret board meetings with Ayers on the Annenberg Project? They threw something like $150 million at the Chicago public schools to push their liberal agenda. To achieve what? The schools still s*ck, and are one of the worst city school systems in the Nation. That’s some che’nge for ya, right? You are just another moby, pretending to be someone you aren’t, on the innertubes. Do you know both Obama and Michelle lost their law licenses? Don’t hear much about that, do you? Would so go against the narrative we’ve been spun by Obama and his Masters/handlers. Have you looked at Obama’s two fictional ‘autobiographies’? Have you heard much discussion about the content of those books? They drip with condescending racism. Too bad moby’s can’t read. They might actually learn something, even if it goes against their preconceived, I would say indoctrinated, ideas.

Serious question: What makes you think Obama is to be respected? What facet of his personality, his career, gives you the slightest hint that he is a good man, that he loves this Country and the people in it? That he leads by example? Tax cheats in the cabinet? Disrespecting our allies while being deferential, to the point of being obsequious (and living in a swamp [sorry, couldn't resist that old Steve Martin line]), to those who proclaim us their sworn enemies, gleefully calling us “The Great Satan”? A really fine moral compass this Chicago crony has, wouldn’t you say?

Hillary Clinton was right {GASP} (I can’t believe I said that) about Obama and experience, which was all too prescient in parts: “I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.” We see how that’s working out for the American people. He has no vested interest in this Nation. Hell, he has no investments in the Markets (which is why he can pull a Nero and party while Wall Street crashes and burns). I haven’t checked this factoid out, but I would lay good money that Obama is the first President in decades to have no investments in the Market, that is, not to have a personal stake in this Nation’s success. Thanks to 401(k)’s, or .401(k)’s, many more are invested in the Markets than ever before in our history. Obama is tone-deaf to these people’s anger because he can afford to be. He’s not losing a dime in this economic meltdown he abetted through his racial politics.

“Someday [you] may wake up and find [you] were mistaken.” Steve Marriot, with Humble Pie, I Wonder.

RickZ on March 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM

If you want nice, join a quilting bee. Politics, and discussion of same, is not nice and never has been.

SKYFOX on March 18, 2009 at 5:40 AM

*BINGO!*

…well…someone had to say it….

Puritan1648 on March 18, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Ohh we are past angry now
we are absolutly furious
and about to start picking up our own rifles
and march on washington
enough you creeps in washington

WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO DISHONOR THESE FINE SOLDIERS
OVER OUR OWN DEAD BODIES
ALL DEMOCRATS WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE

jcila on March 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM

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