Medieval Brits didn’t particularly like wealth redistribution
posted at 4:29 pm on March 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Popular representations of Robin Hood invariably portray him as a hero of the common man, fighting the rich and restoring what they stole from the populace through tyranny. According to a newly-discovered reference, the people of his own time didn’t have quite so much affection for him — not even the community from which Friar Tuck would have come:
According to legend, Robin Hood roamed 13th-century Britain from a base in central England’s Sherwood Forest, plundering from the rich to give to the poor.
But Luxford, an art history lecturer at Scotland’s University of St. Andrews, says a 23-word inscription in the margins of a history book, written in Latin by a medieval monk around 1460, casts the outlaw as a persistent thief.
“Around this time, according to popular opinion, a certain outlaw named Robin Hood, with his accomplices, infested Sherwood and other law-abiding areas of England with continuous robberies,” the note read when translated into English, Luxford said. …
“I saw his name, it leapt out at me,” Luxford, 41, said Saturday. “I knew enough about the relative dearth of references to him from the medieval period to know this might be important.”
Luxford, an expert in medieval manuscripts, said the find “contains a uniquely negative assessment of the outlaw, and provides rare evidence for monastic attitudes towards him.”
I was just thinking about Robin Hood and his influence on Western thought last night while watching the movie Fried Green Tomatoes. In one scene, Idgie convinces Ruth to raid a boxcar shipping food in order to toss the goods to people living in Hoovervilles by the tracks. The music swells as Ruth sees how happy her own personal theft and redistribution makes the recipients, while Idgie assures her that the church people from whom they are stealing the food often drink, so it’s okay. No, I’m serious.
Maybe that’s why we have so many people who think of redistribution as a great idea. It’s the entire Robin Hood scenario, which demonizes the victims while he steals their property and determines who wins in the transaction. In the fifteenth century, people apparently had more sense and could recognize theft when they saw it. Nowadays, we celebrate — and elect — people who promise to confiscate property and redistribute it as they see fit.
Update: Some commenters object to the analogy, saying that Robin Hood opposed the government, but he stole from travelers on the highway. He stole from the rich, not strictly from the government, and became the world’s first populist. And more to the point of this post, the entire redistributionist notion that someone needs to take (by force) from the rich and give to the poor (as deemed worthy by the redistributors) either springs from Robin Hood or finds substantiation in the legend. It’s not a large leap from cheering Idgie and Ruth to getting the government to do it for you.
Update II: Ace agrees with most of the commenters:
We know him through folklore. I just never got the Randian thing of casting him as a villain. Given the premise of a tyrannical state, how is Robin Hood cast so easily as a left-winger? Isn’t this the sort of thing Rand would have wished kulaks had done in her poor, abused Russia?
Besides that, every thief is first and foremost a capitalist, and if he was “stealing from the rich to give to the poor,” let’s just say I think he and his men were defined as First Among the Poor, and got almost all of the loot. And tossing out some money to the locals? Buying goodwill and protection. Same thing the Mafia does in its strongholds; same thing, in fact, Hezballah or Hamas do.
There you have it — Robin Hood is Hamas! Look, can we at least agree that Kevin Costner was the worst Robin Hood in entertainment history?










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The ends dont justify the means. Even if the “poor” or “minorities” benefit.
William Amos on March 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Well, that’s just because they didn’t have Obama to explain it for them….
calbear on March 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Ah yes, Fried Green Tomatoes from the left-wing feminist man-hate genre of the 1990′s.
RobCon on March 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Your analogy is lame, ahistorical, and the biggest stretch since the Michelin Man.
fify
Grow Fins on March 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
True back then there were real “Peasants” in England. There wasnt a Capitalist society there but a feudal one.
William Amos on March 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Who were the wealthy, government. Robin hood stole from the government, as it was being controlled by the King’s brother. He gave back to the poor who were over taxed.
Conservative Voice on March 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Robin Hood was a tax resister….
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM
There you go, muddying up legends with facts.
/s
thomasaur on March 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM
The Monty Python bit with Dennis Moore is a far more accurate portrayal of how wealth redistribution works… the “poor” end up resenting the silver he is reduced to giving them because he’s taken all the gold from the rich and passed it on to the poor… etc.
In 1999/2000 I worked for an amazon.com-connected start-up. All lunches and dinners were catered (high-quality hot meals, mind you) for the workers and all vending machines vended for free. Within a VERY short amount of time, the bitching about the FREE meals started and cases of soda were walking out the back door.
When they eventually went to charging a nickel per drink or snack to slow the pace of the theft, the bitching started all over again… until we declared bankruptcy after the NASDAQ crashed in March.
mankai on March 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Apples, oranges.
Dave Rywall on March 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore galloping through the night…
mankai on March 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM
I get a mental picture of Robin Hood storming Congress and taking a few ill-gotten gains away.
INC on March 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
William Amos on March 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM
…my brother…scarier than the whole “the rich have no rights that anyone need respect” is you actually admitting that you watched the flick….
…listening to the Dixie Chicks while you were writing the above? Do a package check, bro….
Puritan1648 on March 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM
The actual story of Robin Hood is not that of a Redistributionist. Robin Hood fought a Government system that overtaxed the hardworking people of the kingdom and gave back that money to the people who had rightfully earned it. It was about fighting tyrannical government that levied unfair taxes on all people to pay for personal projects and self indulgence.
I’d say the Robin Hood Character has always been a more conservative character. Fighting Corrupt government and undoing unjust taxes.
theguardianii on March 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Yeah! They were taking back their own money!
Blake on March 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Well could argue that it was more the Norman takeover of English Society and the Saxon’s resentment of their conquerors. That is ultimately what the story of Robin Hood was about.
William Amos on March 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Maybe instead of the EMOization of V for Vendetta we can all go Nugent and wear scarlet green?
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Besides, with those tights, he and his group had to be gay.
GarandFan on March 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM
wealth redistribution is AWESOME!!!!
as awesome as the slap chop!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbWjIKxrrs
blatantblue on March 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I prefer “comfortable with their masculinity”….
or conversely log-cabin republicans….
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Only because they’re charlatans and scum, before and after the election. Once uncovered, they are nakid ciphers. You just watch. This story has just begun. I have not given up on all Americans, yet.
Entelechy on March 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Excellent book to read about Europe in the 14th Century:
A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century
The Robin Hood’s of the time (and there were lots of them) were all bands of robbers that looted from anyone and everyone.
albill on March 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM
albill, yes. Fortunately we’re not a land of piracy, yet.
Entelechy on March 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM
That is the main difference between Liberal and Conservative economic theory. Conservatives believe we must fight to keep government from taking the fruits of our hard work from us. Liberals believe its OK to take from your fellow citizens to give to some “Overseer” who deceides who deserves the rewards for the hard work.
William Amos on March 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I’d offer that they tended to not want the locals to roll over on them where their hideouts were so maybe more akin to the James Gang….donating a ridiculously small % of their loot to “buy goodwill”…
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM
William Amos on March 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM
They love mediocrity for all.
Entelechy on March 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Heh sounds like the Obama Administration.
William Amos on March 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Fallout 3 has new layers of humor since Barry won the election….
play it from start to finish….
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM
heh….”if only we had Fiat Currency Will Scarlet…”
-R Hood
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Fixed it for ‘ya Ed……..
………. wasn’t it the Sheriff, and the Nobles of the “Political Class” that taxed the peasants in the name of the ransom for King Richard, but kept it for themselves, or something like that?
I’m a little fuzzy, I’ll have to watch that old Disney Movie starring the fox…….
Seven Percent Solution on March 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I agree that wealth redistribution is wrong, but I always took the Robin Hood story as more of a critique of unfair taxation and overly powerful/abusive government. But it could be interpreted either way.
Grayson on March 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I really need to buy that game. Been waiting for a price drop.
Grayson on March 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM
The government robs from the rich and poor alike and gives most of it to themselves and their cronies. Much more like Prince John trying to make people think that he is Robin Hood.
The Constitution states that it is legitimate for government to raise taxes to cover the legitimate costs of government and even provides for taxes to cover additional things that are for “the common welfare” (not to be confused with the Welfare State). “The common welfare” means what is good for everyone. Most of what the government collects in taxes goes, not to legitimate expenses of government, nor for the common good, but for things which are good for certain special interest groups and not good for other Americans.
Redistribution = stealing
Ordinary American on March 14, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I don’t doubt that the good monk would have such a low esteem for Robin Hood. After all, it was the Church that was in cahoots with the King and stealing as much through “offerings” as the king was through onerous taxation.
The view of Robin Hood depends entirely upon whether you are on the giving or receiving end of his programs.
AW1 Tim on March 14, 2009 at 5:08 PM
A much better hero:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_in_Atlas_Shrugged#Ragnar_Danneskj.C3.B6ld
DangerHighVoltage on March 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM
No it doesn’t. Either what he did was right, or wrong.
apollyonbob on March 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM
You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
- Adrian Rogers (1931)
MB4 on March 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM
At least from one of the movies I saw, a premise of the acts was that the rich were rich because they benefitted from horrifically oppressive tax rates. Political wealth distribution instead of market distribution. It’s a lie to suggest that governmental wealth redistribution could possibly benefit the poor in the first place, it inherently goes to the more politically connected.
galenrox on March 14, 2009 at 5:21 PM
a soldier who fights a tyrranical pretender to the throne and gives funds back to those being taxed into oblivion is the definition of good…..
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I agree.
Robin Hood operated in a feudal system. Those with wealth possessed it almost entirely based on inheritance. RH redistributed wealth in a society that didn’t offer–nay, even promise–equal opportunity.
In contrast, Obama operates in a our society. Those with with wealth possess it through inheritance (the Kennedys), individual skill and effort (most of us), and dumb luck (lottery winners). Obama advocates redistributing wealth in a society that offers–and specifically promises–equal opportunity.
To be sure, our society is not perfect; hence, the channels of equal opportunity can get obstructed. But the role of government should be to clear those channels not confiscate property and redistribute it in an attempt to equalize results.
BuckeyeSam on March 14, 2009 at 5:22 PM
and by necessity has outrageous administrative middleman costs….
(but that’s ‘okay’ they ‘care’)
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Because it’s “for the children…”
Gag.
AW1 Tim on March 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM
In some legends [like Howard Pyle's, etc.], Robin Hood was opposed to the high taxes leveraged by the Normans on the Saxon citizenry.
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM
I’ve often tried to reeducate folks on this story. The fact is Robin the Hood didn’t steal from the rich, he stole from royalty and tax collectors (government).
Todays equivalent would be if hacker drained the treasury and gave it back to the taxpayers (those who pay).
kregg on March 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Should be ‘recounted’ legends.
Interestingly, Curtiz also used this same legend in the version of RH as shown in the front-page pic.
/Okay, now I have to go watch that movie…
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 5:33 PM
even better in HD…
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I really am tired of the mischaracterization of Robin Hood. He did not steal from the rich, and give to the poor. He stole from the tax collector, and gave back to the overtaxed.
Vashta.Nerada on March 14, 2009 at 5:38 PM
We also know the obstructions can be overcome and when they are it has less to do with government intervention than individual determination. Anyone going through the college admission process for their kids or themselves knows that those without the ability to pay have no road blocks so long as they display the determination for education.
Obama wants to offer a panacea such as what people seek when they want to lose weight. Anyone who has ever lost weight knows it is the will and determination that is the key, no one can sell it to you or give it to you. It is just work, same with any kind of success.
msmveritas on March 14, 2009 at 5:38 PM
If you rob the Lord of the Manor, you rob everybody whose income depends on his income. The Lord won’t starve. Just his poorest tenants will starve.
RBMN on March 14, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Does Ace know what a capitalist is? I think he is confusing it with the phrase Free Enterprise. A capitalist is a subgroup in a free enterprise system. It is, as the name implies, someone who uses capital for profit. Marx railed against capitalists because he thought it wrong for someone to make money off of labor just because they have the money to buy the machines to produce the goods. In other words, he resented someone who had enough money to live off of capital investment without needing to exert himself otherwise. That is why Marx glorified “the worker” in his writings.
keep the change on March 14, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Look, can we at least agree that Kevin Costner was the worst Robin Hood in entertainment history?
It’s a tie with Cary Elwes.
Dusty on March 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM
According to the history book, actually no. Everyone (including the royalty and knights) was afraid of the gangs of “Robin Hood” thugs that roamed the countryside of Europe at the time.
Villages at that time had no police force, there was no standing armies to protect the kingdom/country. (An “army” was pulled together when there was a war. After the war it was disbanded.)
The Robin Hood-type gangs paid no one off, people paid them off not to loot their towns, chateaus or castles. They stole and brutalized everyone – taxpayers and tax collectors.
Between the Robin Hoods, constant wars between kingdoms, high taxes, mini-ice age, no food and the black plague it was not a fun time to be alive.
albill on March 14, 2009 at 5:54 PM
It was more than opposing tyranny, it was also about the post-1066 ‘war’ between the Saxons & the Normans.
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 5:55 PM
The socialist/communist are back.
Johan Klaus on March 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM
As far as Robin Hood is concerned, nice play on words there – a robbin’ hood – he should not be looked upon as a leftist. But quite the opposite.
The legend of Robin Hood is someone who robbed from the state to return wealth back to the people. He was not robbing from the working man and giving it to ACORN. There is no redistribution of wealth here at all. He did the opposite of a leftist – he returned tax money back to the population from which it was taken.
Remember, in the time of Robin Hood, there is no class warfare for there is no middle class – the people on whose behalf he is stealing are simply the taxpayers. This was hundreds and hundreds of years before the industrial revolution and the beginning of class warfare as introduced by marxist philosophy. That didn’t start til around 1850. This legend is from 1250.
keep the change on March 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM
OT but relevant…
Got my taxes done today at H&R Block. The lady doing them said they have predicted this coming tax year that 4 out of every 5 tax returns will be AUDITED.
moonsbreath on March 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Historically speaking, Longley (Robin Hood) actually stole from the Norman conquerors to return the stolen wealth back to the Anglo-Saxons.
Dusty: we agree on Costner but Elwes played the part in full Brooksian camp. Can we agree that Patrick Stewart is the best King Richard?
SeniorD on March 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Some cannot see the obvious.
Johan Klaus on March 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM
I still hope that one day Basil Rathbone will run Errol Flynn through. He could have, you know. In real life, Rathbone was an expert fencer who frequently taught his co-stars how to sword fight. Then they’d kill him once the cameras rolled.
Percy_Peabody on March 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM
At least Robin Hood did not tell his victims that he was stealing from them for their own good. That makes him about ten times better than the hoods in Washington. He was at least an honest thief.
conservnut on March 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM
That’s mot the Robin Hood I knew.
Lou Budvis on March 14, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Robin and several other outlaws were in fact aggrieved Yeomen who were caught in the double squeeze of estate maintenence and usury of hyper tax.
Robin is a legend, and I will be happy to discuss the legend or the reality….
“robbing from the rich to give to the poor” is a distorted view of the original legends of the 16th century, that said the reality is that Robin Hood and the feds are both thieves as was Royalty….
man’s effort and the fruit thereof are his own and any thief who takes more than a man’s fair share of upkeep for the common good should burn in hell….
one man should not give up 75% of his wage to pay another man who pays none…..
the safety net has become a hammock.
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM
SeniorD on March 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Thought I said that…
What’s wrong with Errol Flynn?
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Lame meme, Ed.
Fat sat monk, living off tithes of the feudal serfs, resents common man for asserting his inalienable rights to retain his own property.
And worse, no man should ever watch “Fried Green Tomatoes” unless it is as a jihadi captive and the alternative is death.
Rinse your psyche with “El Cid” immediately!
profitsbeard on March 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM
pity Rathbone never got to play Robin…
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 6:08 PM
I think the bottom line is that Robin Hood stole from the looters, moochers and rent-seekers, and gave the money back to those who worked their hands raw earning it. Often what was taken from the poor was not money. They had very little of it. They did as much barter directly as much as they did it indirectly via money — a pig for some flour, eggs for some clothe. The princes, barons, earls, etc, all the way up to the king, exacted either money, if it was at hand for the people or the commodities they had raised or farmed, as their tax, for whatever reason they could think up — from rent (just about everyone lived on land own by the feudal lords which is just another form of govermnent official) all the way through to showing your patriotism(!) (which is just another form of allegiance to the King.)
Anyway, these tax collections, in one way or another, were eventually converted into the gold and used in the government economic circles that was subsequently stolen by Robin Hood.
On another note, Ed, the reference to the negative opinion does not appear to me to be one of the people, but of monks, who IIRC often had a symbiotic relationship with the government. I’d want to know a lot more about that relationship at the time before I went and said the opinions of monks reflected the opinions of the common people.
Dusty on March 14, 2009 at 6:09 PM
“Fat cat monk” … not “sat“
profitsbeard on March 14, 2009 at 6:10 PM
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Sorry, cross that, thought you said Robin Hood.
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 6:10 PM
I work for Block, IRS TOLD them that it is not a “prediction”.
EITC and CTC fraud are outrageous, and since that fraud being investigated too hard would be both “racist” and “picking on the poor” IRS decided to up the audit %s across the board….
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Yeah, Costner sucked in Robin Hood.
pugwriter on March 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM
[SeniorD on March 14, 2009 at 5:59 PM]
Yes, on Patrick Stewart. I like about everything he does.
Dusty on March 14, 2009 at 6:14 PM
To believe that the story of Robin is about redistribution and taking down the wealthy why is it that when King Richard returns do the people cheer the return of a Rich aristocrat. Oh yeah it is because King Richard was not levyiing unfair taxes upon the people.
Prince John was evil in the story and placed a burden of taxes upon the people to grow the royal coffers. The aristocracy who turned on John’s practices were stripped of their aristocratic title and were killed, imprisoned or made to live among the commoners of the land.
Place that into context and we have the making of a corrupt government that turns on its people. very much like socialist governments of the past where the wealth is never really redistributed and instead it is concentrated along with power. All the while the people who were suppose to benefit continue to suffer.
Robin Hood robbed the Rich…who were the rich in the land? Oh yeah the rich were those who were loyal to the Prince who was levying the unfair taxes.
Robin Hood fought the evil and corrupt government that was in control of the land at the time. He gave back to the people who were burdened by unfair taxes. This is something we as conservatives try to do within the law. It is unfortunate that in the story Robin Hood had to be an outlaw and commit a crime but it was the only avenue left to take as he could not use his aristocratic title to fight the prince seeing as what would happen to him.
theguardianii on March 14, 2009 at 6:14 PM
The monk’s perspective was likely “Thou shalt not steal” and “Obey the ruling authorities”.
aengus on March 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Another problem with the Robin Hood senario is people, and I could be wrong, don’t realize that the Rich where the ruling class at that time so Robin Hood was in a sense stealing from the Government and giving to the poor. What we essentially have done now, is allow the Government to steal from the citizens but they have yet to give it to any poor. What I hope people realize is the Government never intends to give anything back to citizens they are just looking to control our lives, You can’t smoke, you can’t drive that car, you can’t eat fast food. Transfats are bad so lets tax it. Whoopies eyes are beginning to see light but they have yet to begin to open.
lwssdd on March 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Man or myth: Book says Robin Hood did not exist.
An academic who has studied the legends of Robin Hood for 20 years claims the hero of Sherwood Forest never existed.
Professor Stephen Knight has amassed a library of books and videos and lectures on two university courses about the noble outlaw who famously robbed the rich to give to the poor.
But his conclusion shoots a poison arrow through the belief in a real-life Robin – with a band of merry men – who fell for Maid Marion.
Instead he claims the Robin Hood “myth” is reinvented when people feel they are being oppressed by their own version of the Sheriff of Nottingham.
The 62-year-old Cardiff University lecturer said: “If there was a Mr R Hood with an address in Sheffield, Yorkshire or Nottinghamshire, what would that mean?
“The obsession with identifying the ‘real Robin Hood’ is futile and misguided. The name Robin Hood existed – Hood is not an uncommon name – but it’s more likely the name gave rise to the character.
“He represents resistance to local oppression – freedom and liberty in whatever shape you need it to take.”
He said his students study 15th Century texts, 17th Century ballards and film interperations of the story, right up to modern television series which depicted a feminist Robin listening attentively to an assertive Maid Marion.
But whether he existed or not, Robin would never have worn tights as depicted by Errol Flyn in the 1938 film The Adventures of Robin Hood, said the professor.
He said that image was based on the Victorian stage plays where Robin’s part would have been played by a woman, and she would have worn tights to show off her legs.
- BBC (19 June, 2003)
MB4 on March 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM
[albill on March 14, 2009 at 5:54 PM]
I don’t know much about the history, albill, but I have a tough time thinking there were Robin Hood type gangs roaming all of England.
There were thieving gangs roaming England before Robin Hood and there were thieving gangs roaming England long after Robin hood. Sure, at the time of RH and his popularity (whether + or -) it should be expected that gangs would take on that cloak for the benefit of either the + or – attending the name Robin Hood. And if RH did have + reputation, I would also expect those that in power would all that was needed to tarnish that reputation, including branding every thief in the Realm a member of RH’s gang.
Dusty on March 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
So, in the next remake of “Robin Hood”, “Robin Hood in the 21st Century” Joe the Plumber, no better make that Sarah Palin as she would look much better in tights, can play Robin and Barry can play the Sheriff of Nottingham.
MB4 on March 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
WTF, Fried Green Tomatoes? Everything still says Hot Air, address bar, top of page, bottom of page — I’ve gone my entire life without seeing or reading about Fried Green Tomatoes and yet subtly it imposes itself without warning. That, my friends, is the true crime of this post!
LifeTrek on March 14, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Medieval Church as Head of State:
See: Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, “The Pardoner’s Tale”–or any tale about the clergy, for that matter.
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 6:30 PM
First off,Errol Flynn was a great actor,in my opinion,
and I always looked at Robin Hood as the force of good!
The evil one in the castle who had Miram secured against her will,the bad guys wore black,accept Robin Hood wears
green,close enough!
Then there was little John,Robins religious consul,who
didn’t have a problem picking up a sword and using it!
So,again,revisionist history in ther making as per ususal!
Robin Hood robbed from the evil jackass who loved taxing
anthing that could be taxed,and your entire property and
livestock was seized!
Kinda like Hopey’s Administration if one is to play the
Robin Hood re-telling the story in the proper light!
I can’t wait for some idiot Liberal to equate Obama with
Robin Hood,
and speaking of HOOD,
I’m pretty sure the H.M.S Hood that was detonated by the
Bismarck was also a force of good,but that might depend
on who taught you history I suppose!
canopfor on March 14, 2009 at 6:32 PM
(emphasis mine)
Point One: Seems to me that CTC (child care tax credit, I assume) fraud will only be encouraged by the appointment of Geithner. One of the corners he cut was to claim a child care credit for a child’s summer camp expenses–something that he probably could have clarified with 10 minutes of reviewing the instructions or an accompanying IRS publication. Honesty is a necessity in a tax system based on voluntary reporting.
Point Two: Just wait for the fraud (and complexity) coming down the road once Obama’s laundry list of byzantine tax credits is enacted and implemented. Have fun tearing your hair out, middle class taxpayers who voted for Obama, as you try to claim the little pieces of cheese that Obama bribed you with.
BuckeyeSam on March 14, 2009 at 6:38 PM
The Medival Church did not rule England. The Dukes of Normandy, and the Norman soldiers who came over with William the Conqueror, made up the tyrannical government that overtaxed the poor in Robin Hood’s day.
aengus on March 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM
It depends who the targets of Robin Hood’s crimes were. If he was hitting the bad guys, fine. But the implication of the 23-word inscription is that he was hitting many more people than that… Just like how socialist dictators kill a lot of innocent people under the guise of clearing capitalist corruption.
Outlander on March 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Between that and demonizing tax avenger Robin Hood, Ed should lose his conservative blogger’s license. Who’s up for an intervention?
keep the change on March 14, 2009 at 6:48 PM
So,in the next remake……..
MB4 on Mar 14,2009 at 6:25PM.
MB4: Me likey this remake,MB!
SarahCuda as Robin Hood,riding into Washington,to bring
real fairness back to the people!
And,for some reason,I see Barney Frank in this episode,
running around in tights with Rahm Manuel,jumping on and
off of stacks of ill-gotten tax money!
Might as well expand Pelosi in this episode as well,as
she runs the stable of Palimino’s,ready to mount a charge
at the beckon call of said evil King!!!! Haha:)
canopfor on March 14, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Depends on the version of the legend, but most of the time the reason the people are so poor is excessive taxation.
The Disney version is probably the most explicit about this depiction of Robin Hood as a tax rebate provider. Go watch it some time and you can’t help but think of him as a conservative revolutionary.
Almost always he is depicted as robbing nobles (who get their wealth by taking it by force), rather than honest merchants.
Now of course, this probably was not the case for the true historical Robin Hood, but who cares about him. The symbol and myth is much more important- and I am not ready to surrender him to the liberals by any means.
Sackett on March 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I’m rather surprised that only one commenter even touched on the truth of Robin of Lockley, aka Robin Hood. Robin’s exploits take place during a time of civil war.
The Germanic Saxons had been conquered by the French Normans. Conquered, but never quite subdued. There has been centuries worth of tension between the two groups. (it continues even today: England = Saxon vs Britain = Norman).
Robin Hood was essentially a guerrilla leader of a band of Saxon raiders. Their prey tended to be Normans, but they also harrassed those Saxons who had gained their wealth by ingratiating themselves to their Norman lords.
That’s really where the myth of robbing from the rich came from. You could say he was the Che Gueverra of medieval England.
In fact, much of the history of Europe boils down to how Charlemange divided his kingdom between his three sons. To one he gave Western Europe dominated by France, to the second came Central Europe ruled by Germany, and Eastern Europe went to the third son. The third kingdom has been frequently overrun by Russia. So it never amounted to much.
Germany and France have been at odds ever since and that conflict carried over into the British Isles.
Ace ODale on March 14, 2009 at 6:55 PM
aengus on March 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Yes, I’ve made the point about the Normans oppressing the Saxons, William the Conqueror, 1066, etc.
For some periods during the Middle Ages, it was difficult to tell the difference between the Church & the State. Also, during that period, the Church held property [which made them wealthy landowners] & helped oppress the poor by not allowing them to read the Bible for themselves [until William Tyndale translated the Bible for the common man].
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 6:30 PM should read:
“The hierarchy of the Church were complicit in oppressing the populace.”
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM
We seem to have a mixed message about many criminals in the past…Butch Cassidy and Sundance, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid… there is a certain fasination with people who flaunt law and order… but evidentually we have to grow up and realize there really is no victimless crime.
When the government becomes Robinhood? That is just bizarre. One of the only legitimate jobs of government is to protect us from criminals like Obama, I mean….Robinhood.
petunia on March 14, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Best movie evah……
Seven Percent Solution on March 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM
As I recall the legend, wasn’t the Sheriff of Nottingham the one who was stealing money from poor people in the form of arbitrary taxes, and spending it on himself and his friends? That’s the role I see Obama playing in the story.
joe_doufu on March 14, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Sackett on March 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM
The Disney Robinhood supports the “Rightful” King Richard over the “Usurper” King John… You could argue that Robinhood was on the side of the more conservative of the brothers… but then that would just be too silly to take the Disney version seriously.
petunia on March 14, 2009 at 7:09 PM
During the period of Roman occupation, Great Britain operated as a tribal society and did so for centuries. It was divided into Northumbria [modern Scotland], Mercia [Wales+], East Anglia in the East, & Wessex in the Southwest. The Saxons conquered the Brits & England in the 600s. Still, the four peoples fought each other until initially invaded by the Vikings in 793. In 1042, Edward the Confessor made the mistake of becoming too friendly with the Normans. Then, 1066.
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 7:11 PM
It’s amazing these people ever came to form a [more]civilized Kingdom, actually…
youngTXcon on March 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM
They do sometimes. I hate blanket statements like these.
Darth Executor on March 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Forget about history — even in the old storybook versions (in particular Howard Pyle’s 1883 novel), Robin Hood never stole from the rich expressly to give to the poor. He stole to provide for himself and his band of outlaws. Occasionally, yes, he would help out a poor soul in need, but his actions were more akin to charity than redistribution. In most cases, Robin Hood and his band kept their plunder, and they rarely helped anyone who didn’t join their band outright.
I honestly don’t know where this concept — that Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor — came from. Except for those few instances of charity, the only “poor” mentioned in those stories are the outlaws themselves, having been unfairly prosecuted by corrupt government officials, and at times, the king himself. This “stole from the rich to give to the poor” business probably grew out of that. Perhaps this is how Hollywood corrupts a good story.
Caiwyn on March 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM
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