Medieval Brits didn’t particularly like wealth redistribution

posted at 4:29 pm on March 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Popular representations of Robin Hood invariably portray him as a hero of the common man, fighting the rich and restoring what they stole from the populace through tyranny.  According to a newly-discovered reference, the people of his own time didn’t have quite so much affection for him — not even the community from which Friar Tuck would have come:

According to legend, Robin Hood roamed 13th-century Britain from a base in central England’s Sherwood Forest, plundering from the rich to give to the poor.

But Luxford, an art history lecturer at Scotland’s University of St. Andrews, says a 23-word inscription in the margins of a history book, written in Latin by a medieval monk around 1460, casts the outlaw as a persistent thief.

“Around this time, according to popular opinion, a certain outlaw named Robin Hood, with his accomplices, infested Sherwood and other law-abiding areas of England with continuous robberies,” the note read when translated into English, Luxford said. …

“I saw his name, it leapt out at me,” Luxford, 41, said Saturday. “I knew enough about the relative dearth of references to him from the medieval period to know this might be important.”

Luxford, an expert in medieval manuscripts, said the find “contains a uniquely negative assessment of the outlaw, and provides rare evidence for monastic attitudes towards him.”

I was just thinking about Robin Hood and his influence on Western thought last night while watching the movie Fried Green Tomatoes.  In one scene, Idgie convinces Ruth to raid a boxcar shipping food in order to toss the goods to people living in Hoovervilles by the tracks.  The music swells as Ruth sees how happy her own personal theft and redistribution makes the recipients, while Idgie assures her that the church people from whom they are stealing the food often drink, so it’s okay.  No, I’m serious.

Maybe that’s why we have so many people who think of redistribution as a great idea.  It’s the entire Robin Hood scenario, which demonizes the victims while he steals their property and determines who wins in the transaction.  In the fifteenth century, people apparently had more sense and could recognize theft when they saw it.  Nowadays, we celebrate — and elect — people who promise to confiscate property and redistribute it as they see fit.

Update: Some commenters object to the analogy, saying that Robin Hood opposed the government, but he stole from travelers on the highway. He stole from the rich, not strictly from the government, and became the world’s first populist. And more to the point of this post, the entire redistributionist notion that someone needs to take (by force) from the rich and give to the poor (as deemed worthy by the redistributors) either springs from Robin Hood or finds substantiation in the legend. It’s not a large leap from cheering Idgie and Ruth to getting the government to do it for you.

Update II: Ace agrees with most of the commenters:

We know him through folklore. I just never got the Randian thing of casting him as a villain. Given the premise of a tyrannical state, how is Robin Hood cast so easily as a left-winger? Isn’t this the sort of thing Rand would have wished kulaks had done in her poor, abused Russia?

Besides that, every thief is first and foremost a capitalist, and if he was “stealing from the rich to give to the poor,” let’s just say I think he and his men were defined as First Among the Poor, and got almost all of the loot. And tossing out some money to the locals? Buying goodwill and protection. Same thing the Mafia does in its strongholds; same thing, in fact, Hezballah or Hamas do.

There you have it — Robin Hood is Hamas!  Look, can we at least agree that Kevin Costner was the worst Robin Hood in entertainment history?

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Maybe that’s why we have so many people who think of redistribution as a great idea.

Is wealth redistribution what everyone now calls higher taxes on the wealthy? As Warren Buffet recently pointed out, the IRS had determined that the nation’s top 200 taxpayers have seen their effective tax rate fall to about 18% over the last 10 years- a 10% decrease from the late 90′s. We don’t need to ‘stimulate’ the economy by giving the ultra-wealthy another 10 year low tax ride. I know ppl on Wall Street who’ve retired by age 40 and see no evidence that raising their taxes will change their behavior.

bayam on March 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Is wealth redistribution what everyone now calls higher taxes on the wealthy?

No. It is what it always has been – gubmint taking the rightful property of some individuals and allocating it to others. Since it only works if the people you are taking from actually have property to begin with, it naturally becomes a system of taking from the ‘haves’ (wealthier), to give to thte ‘have nots’ (poorer). A completely unexpected side-effect is that the recipients seem to favor those politicians that stand as advocates for the system. Whodathunkit?

‘Hosing the rich’ with our progressive tax system is cynically political ‘class warfare’.

LimeyGeek on March 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Look, can we at least agree that Kevin Costner was the worst Robin Hood in entertainment history?

Agreed!

So, what’s the best Robin Hood in popular entertainment? My vote goes to…

“We’re men, we’re men in tights! We run through Sherwood Forrest looking for fights!”

OscarSchneegans on March 15, 2009 at 3:27 PM

That Kevin Costner movie was an embarrassment. I still cringe when I think about it. If it never saw the light of day again, it would be too soon.

When the Sheriff of Nottingham steals the show from Robin Hood, you know the actor playing the hero really sucks.

Marking Time on March 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Ed, I think most people here have no idea what they’re talking about or something. =)

I know it is popular on this site to reclass Robin Hood as some sort of commie revolutionary, but we’re dealing with entirely different concepts here.

“The Rich” were not the wealthy of today, earning money and giving people jobs on some sort of equal basis. “The Rich” were warlords who would brutally torture, rape, and murder their slaves. Yes, slaves. Almost anyone who didn’t live in a castle or have a sword to defend one was potentially a slave.

And for those who are spluttering right now, imagine how you would feel about it if we had to give away 80% of everything we earned. Literally. Didn’t we fight a damn war about just this sort of thing? The only reason that George Washington didn’t do what Robin Hood did was because most of the money went overseas to England at the time, and we couldn’t get it back.

It’s not about robbing the rich, it’s about freeing the oppressed. That’s the point of Robin Hood. It’s about asshole warlords, the kind that we here cheer and applaud when they get a tomohawk up their ass in Afghanistan, being raided and the stuff they rape from other hardworking people given back in return.

There’s a major difference between Marxism and what the story of Robin Hood stands for. Robin Hood wasn’t trying to make everyone equal, he was trying to give the oppressed slaves, neatly called “peasants”, a chance when times were really…really….really hard for them.

I dare say, anyone who would be timewarped right now back into that era and forced into peasantry would be spluttering instead about their “inaliable rights” being violated every second of the day, would wish they could take up a gun, and would dream about overthrowing the power that oppresses them.

Taking that feeling under that circumstance and comparing it to some high-flown current Marxist ideology is, in my mind, really stretching it to the limit of surreality.

Summer on March 15, 2009 at 7:34 PM

I might also venture to add that “the poor” were taxed to death without representation; they weren’t allowed to own weapons to defend themselves; they weren’t allowed to own land that they worked on; they weren’t allowed to own the things they produced themselves; they weren’t allowed to leave any area freely of their own accord; they weren’t allowed to protest when the noble wanted to rape their wife on their wedding day; they weren’t allowed equal representation in court – things that people here scream about every single day.

Some people here should just think about that before they start spouting off.

Summer on March 15, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Is wealth redistribution what everyone now calls higher taxes on the wealthy? As Warren Buffet recently pointed out, the IRS had determined that the nation’s top 200 taxpayers have seen their effective tax rate fall to about 18% over the last 10 years- a 10% decrease from the late 90’s. We don’t need to ’stimulate’ the economy by giving the ultra-wealthy another 10 year low tax ride. I know ppl on Wall Street who’ve retired by age 40 and see no evidence that raising their taxes will change their behavior.

bayam on March 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Of course, the top 200 taxpayers have deductions and expenses which those of us classed as “wealthy” by Obama can only dream about. In addition to my own expenses, I’m putting two kids through college and paying my disabled brother’s rent. None of those expenses are tax deductible, and Obama is tasking himself to be the final monkey on my back.

The big question is when “wealthy” begins. I think it begins when you’ve earned enough so that you’d never have to work another day in your life if you didn’t want to, and you could maintain the lifestyle you are now living on the interest from your savings even given government taxation.

In other words, “wealthy” is working only because you want to, not because you have to.

Obama has a different definition, and it starts as low as $75,000 and goes up, no matter where you live or how much it costs to live there. I certainly call that “wealth redistribution”.

I will endure, but I want the guy out of office and a no-more-taxes Republican in ASAP.

unclesmrgol on March 15, 2009 at 9:16 PM

“We’re men, we’re men in tights! We run through Sherwood Forrest looking for fights!”

OscarSchneegans on March 15, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Oh, I completely forgot about that Robin Hood when I did my comment. It’s fully the equal of the Disney version — but I still give the nod to Errol Flynn.

unclesmrgol on March 15, 2009 at 9:18 PM

It should be pointed out that the literate class were the rich, and thus were not expected to admire Robin Hood.

darktood on March 16, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Is wealth redistribution what everyone now calls higher taxes on the wealthy? As Warren Buffet recently pointed out, the IRS had determined that the nation’s top 200 taxpayers have seen their effective tax rate fall to about 18% over the last 10 years- a 10% decrease from the late 90’s. We don’t need to ’stimulate’ the economy by giving the ultra-wealthy another 10 year low tax ride. I know ppl on Wall Street who’ve retired by age 40 and see no evidence that raising their taxes will change their behavior.

buy’em on March 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM

The AMT was passed to “go after 200 families that don’t pay income tax” by Teddy Kennedy…..now it is the bane of contractors everywhere….

can’t win votes with logic?

“Buy’em”

sven10077 on March 16, 2009 at 9:35 AM

What most people forget, is that the “rich” people that Robin Hood stole from, were actually the local govt.

Prince John.
Sheriff of Nottingham.

MarkTheGreat on March 16, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Did anyone else think the cartoon fox Maid Marian in the Disney version was, well, foxy?

boko fittleworth on March 14, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Hee. Did I ever. I was sooo jealous when Robin rode off in the wedding carriage…vulpine or not, Marian was one of the few

*Ahem.* Now, as to the legend, I’m afraid I have to call you out on this one Ed.

According to a newly-discovered reference, the people of his own time didn’t have quite so much affection for him — not even the community from which Friar Tuck would have come:

First of all, think about who wrote that letter. Back in Robin Hood’s day the average Joe couldn’t so much as read or write his own name. This left the populace wide open for exploitation by those who could, of course, and in fact educating serfs/peasants to was often illegal.

Thus the literate population amounted to the clergy, the rich/powerful, and the lucky. The first group was (to the eternal shame of Christianity) often in cahoots with the second for a variety of reasons…the tales of corrupt and ill-behaving men of the cloth from this era are legion. It is not a stretch to say that the writer could easily have been a no-good fatcat.

There’s also the difference in society structure: the peasants in (not so) Ye Merry Old England were little better than slaves. They were forbidden by law to leave their liege lord’s lands no matter what and could be returned by force for doing so. (‘freemen’ were a class above and could do so) Their quality of life depended heavily the mercy of the local bigwig.

Lastly the government was hopelessly corrupt to the point where ‘legal’ methods of protest were no good at all. The only recourse for Robin to reclaim his stolen lands and stop John’s abuses was to live outside ‘the law’ in order to do anything. Much like we may be seeing in our own lifetimes.

Dark-Star on March 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM

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