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Why hEsc goes in the wrong direction

posted at 1:20 pm on March 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Earlier this week, Barack Obama ended the restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, and then oddly reversed himself by signing the omnibus spending bill two days later.  The reversal, which did not get much play, essentially passed the buck to Congress to ban federal spending on destructive hEsc research (via Jill Stanek):

The law banning any federal funding of research that kills or risks injury to embryos was included in the language of the $410-billion omnibus appropriation bill that President Obama signed Wednesday. Known as the Dickey-Wicker amendment, the language has been included in the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services every fiscal year since 1996.

Found in Section 509 of the omnibus bill, the federal funding ban not only prohibits the government from providing tax dollars to research that kills or risks injury to a human embryo, it also provides a comprehensive definition of “human embryo” that includes embryos created in a laboratory through cloning, in vitro fertilization and other means.

“For the purposes of this section,” says the law Obama signed, “the term ‘human embryo or embryos’ includes any organism … that is derived by fertilization, parthenogenesis, cloning, or any other means from one or more human gametes or human diploid cells.”

As CNS News reports, this essentially maintains the status quo, at least for the remainder of the fiscal year.  It also moves the battle from the media spotlight, shifting it from a high-profile position as an executive order to the more arcane and less-rigorously reported legislative infighting over the budget.  In essence, it’s the equivalent of voting “present” from the Oval Office, creating a momentary flashpoint with social conservatives as a trade-off for avoiding the problem altogether in the future.  Obama will never have to revisit the issue again, if he’s lucky.

When Obama signed his EO, he and hEsc supporters called it a triumph of science over politics.  Let me explain why, based on personal experience, I think it’s the exact opposite.

The promise of stem-cell research lies in the ability of pluripotential cells to generate new human tissue to cure diseases.  Joe Trippi, for one, hailed Obama’s EO as a triumph for diabetics (Trippi is one) looking for a cure, which would involve growing new pancreatic tissue to replace that which has failed.  As with Parkinson’s and a host of other diseases, the creation of replacement tissue holds great promise.

We can do that now, of course, but we call it something else: transplants.  We can take numerous kinds of human tissue and transplant them from one human to another — kidneys, livers, hearts, lungs, pancreases, and now even faces.  We face two obstacles to making this a massively available technology, though; inventory of replacement materials and the need to suppress the immune system to allow the transplants to succeed.

Both hEsc and adult stem-cell technology address the first issue of inventory.  If we can grow human tissue in directed paths, we will no longer need live or cadaver donors to help save lives.  With waiting lists stretching now for years for cadaver transplants, developing stem-cell solutions makes the most sense to replace existing cures as well as developing new therapies for other diseases.

However, only adult stem-cell therapies address the second problem.  The body’s immune system can detect foreign tissue and attacks it.  Without immunosuppressive therapy, most transplants (excepting, I believe, corneal transplants) would fail and the patient will die.  However, as I know from personal experience with my wife, who has had both kidney and pancreas transplants, immunosuppressive therapy has serious consequences for patients.  It is, in effect, trading a life-threatening illness for a manageable illness.  The drugs used to suppress the immune system have a multitude of side effects, such as with the commonly-used cyclosporine:

Headache, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach upset, acne, cramps, increased hair growth on the face/body, shaking fingers/hands (tremor), swollen/red/painful gums, dizziness, flushing, and high blood pressure may occur. If any of these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor or pharmacist promptly.

Tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: severe muscle spasms, fast/irregular heartbeat, muscle weakness, confusion, change in the amount/color of urine, unusual weight gain/loss, tingling of the hands/feet, hearing problems, easy bruising/bleeding, unusual tiredness.

Tell your doctor immediately if any of these rare but very serious side effects occur: dark urine, persistent nausea/vomiting, severe stomach/abdominal pain, yellowing of the skin/eyes, vomit that looks like coffee grounds, change in the appearance or size of skin moles/lesions, changes in skin color, loss of consciousness, mental/mood changes, vision changes, swollen glands, unusual lumps, night sweats.

Most immunosuppressive regimens use more than one drug.  The First Mate takes three: a form of cyclosporine, Myfortic, and Pentamadine.  As a result, she deals with a wide range of side effects, notably high blood pressure and anemia problems, that require more medication, which creates even more side effects.  It’s a chain reaction that requires constant monitoring and adjustment, and which have turned me into a pharmacology major at my own university.

Don’t get me wrong; we’re very grateful for these medications.  They are, however, difficult to manage, and also extremely expensive. And it seems to me that, if we’re truly thinking about science, then we should pursue the solutions for tissue replacement that don’t require patients to trade one illness for another, but which hold the promise of actual and complete cures.  That will only come from duplicating patient-specific tissues from their own cellular structure, not the creation of foreign tissue for transplant.

Given the successes the scientific community has made in generating pluripotential adult stem cells and the derivation of actual successful therapies from adult stem-cell research, that would make the most sense while avoiding the ethical problems of killing human life for therapies that have never succeeded, despite years of trial and billions of dollars in funding.  Now that we can derive pluripotential stem cells from adults, their seems to be no reason to go any other direction, and for any other applications, umbilical and placental stem cells should be sufficient.  That is why it appears to me that throwing federal funding at hEsc despite its failures and inherently limited application of tissue replacement has a lot more to do with justifying abortion than it does with actual scientific progress, at least from my admittedly personal experiences.


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pluripotential

I used that word in Scrabble last night.
Ed, you’re quite the scholar!

jgapinoy on March 13, 2009 at 1:23 PM

So sorry about your wife,Ed. I never knew she was on all those drugs.
What a crappy deal.
Prayers to your family for long & healthy lives.

Badger40 on March 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Excellent post, Ed, just excellent.

INC on March 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM

So Obama takes credit for reversing Bush, but didn’t? That sounds familiar…

hawksruleva on March 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Dickey-Wicker

I haven’t laughed like that in ages… Thank you.

myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM

But the libs’ love of embryonic stem cells has nothing to do with science, but rather a systematic destruction of life. Libs suffer from a massive case of Frankenstein syndrome. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

They want to suppress GOOD science (adult stem cells) in favor of the bad science that furthers their own agenda.

DangerHighVoltage on March 13, 2009 at 1:30 PM

That is why it appears to me that throwing federal funding at hEsc despite its failures and inherently limited application of tissue replacement has a lot more to do with justifying abortion than it does with actual scientific progress, at least from my admittedly personal experiences.

But of course. It’s all about the moral status of unborn humans. If you can’t experiment on an embryo, how could you abort one? They’re trying for consistency here – unborn human beings have no moral status or legal protection.

Except, of course, if they’re born handicapped, and the parents hire ambulance chaser John Edwards, who “channels” the voice of the unborn child in front of a jury.

If there’s money to be made…(oh wait, that’s the “Greed” thread.)

Wethal on March 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM

lol..that’s what happens when you couldnt be bothered reading the piece of legislation that your about to sign into law before hand.

Dreadnought223 on March 13, 2009 at 1:34 PM

myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Yeah, saw that and had a lot of trouble reading any farther.

innominatus on March 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM

I always enjoy the the media stories about stem cell breakthroughs that almost always leave out that it was an adult stem cell breakthrough. Stem cell research stories are one of the greatest examples of willful negligence on the part of the media.

It is no wonder that conservatives have a hard time winning election when you have the MSM polluting the minds of voluntary ignorant class.

WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM

A couple of things:

Last month it was announced that a patient’s own stem cells had been used to effectively treat Parkinson’s Disease. As you can see, this eliminated the need for immunosuppressants.

Groundbreaking Paper Publishes Long Term Results of a Successful Phase I Clinical Trial Using Autologous Neural Stem Cells to Treat Parkinson’s Disease

“Our paper describes how we were able to isolate patient-derived neural stem cells, multiply them in vitro and ultimately differentiate them to produce mature neurons before they are reintroduced into the brain’s basal ganglia. This is performed without the patient requiring immunosuppressants. Of particular note are the striking results this study yielded — for the five years following the procedure the patient’s motor scales improved by over 80% for at least 36 months. A word of caution must be added however, since this is a single case study, a larger clinical trial is needed to replicate these findings,” says Levesque.

The other thing that I found significant is that I forgot to bookmark this page. Google now seems to have buried it under the ESC stem cell hype. I had to go back into the archives here to find the thread in which I had originally used it as a link.

INC on March 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Ed,
Thank you for sharing such a personal and pertinent story with us. Your wealth of knowledge is amazing to me. Humanizing (is that a word?) the scientific pandering that defines stem cell research helps to paint a more complete picture.

pcpower1 on March 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Last week the WaPo published this commentary. Things like this make me ill.

The Moral Imperative to Relieve Suffering: Embryonic Stem Cell Research

Underneath it a commenter sliced through the high-sounding “morality” of evil in the piece and wrote:

“The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonour’d, and unsung.”
– Sir Walter Scott
_________________

Debate on the topic is fruitless. There will always be in our society (and in apparently increasing numbers) those who will be able to justify any amoral or immoral act so long as it benefits or could potentially benefit them.

INC on March 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

The reversal…essentially passed the buck to Congress

Again, show me any professional responsibility he has accepted. This is the man who votes “present” after all. abdicating his professional responsibilities is his way of life.

TheBigOldDog on March 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Indeed, excellent post.

I have argued this many times with some pro-hEsc friends, and the argument always degenerates to: Well, if there’s potential, then we should.

Someone recently mentioned (Either Ace or maybe someone here…or maybe at the Weekly Standard or somewhere else) that the left has no problems killing babies for potential cures, but it’s a moral crime if we interrogate a known terrorist harshly for the potential of live saving information.

I can’t wait to try that avenue next debate…

Rogue on March 13, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Zo’s update.

Skip ahead to 2:30 to get his take on stem cells.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I always enjoy the the media stories about stem cell breakthroughs that almost always leave out that it was an adult stem cell breakthrough. Stem cell research stories are one of the greatest examples of willful negligence on the part of the media.

WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM

They want to collapse all stem cell research into the term “stem cell research,” without specifying what kind of stem cells.

Same as with “climate change.” Of course, the climate is always changing, but it is synonymous with “global warming,” specifically anthropogenic global warming. If you belive in “climate change,” you apparently believe the planet is getting warmer (and humans, not the sun caues it), altough change could always be in the other direction.

Wethal on March 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Great article Ed,
Just to correct one thing, the advantage that the cornea has in transplantation is that it it generally a avascular tissue and the transplant graft is not exposed to the white blood cells that mediate transplant rejection (T cells). There are, however, corneal disease in which the cornea becomes vasularized due to inflammation such as Herpes keratitis and alkaline burns. Transplant in these patients are at high risk for rejection due to the vasularization of the host cornea. Many of them fail. Cyclosporine is available as a topical medication an is used in high risk corneal transplant cases along with topical corticosteroids.

I know, TMI.

BrianA on March 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM

wow, my typing sucks.

BrianA on March 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Its truly amazing how the MSM totally ignores the revolutionary breakthroughs being made with adult stem cells in favor of baseless hype about the potential of embryonic stem cells.
I was thinking, one of the reasons they’re pushing embryonic stems cells so hard, is because it would make abortion moral. “You’re not killing a human being, you’re providing a cure for whatever”. Chilling huh?

Iblis on March 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Based on the Stem.com article, I wonder how many investors should be suing somebody.

Many people invested heavily in embryonic stem cell companies this week. They are not going to be happy when they read this article.

faraway on March 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Dickey-Wicker

I haven’t laughed like that in ages… Thank you.

myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 1:29 PM

If you think that’s funny, try reversing it.

MarkTheGreat on March 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM

This won’t be the last time President Hope and Change votes “present”.

GarandFan on March 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Stem cell research stories are one of the greatest examples of willful negligence on the part of the media.

WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM

The other being global warming.

MarkTheGreat on March 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I’m getting whiplash.

My oldest daughter suffers from a connective tissue disorder called Ehlers Danlos. Our family, especially my daughter, finds it completely disgusting that people would want to use a human embryo or animal testing to find a solution to her disorder.

When my daughter and I were discussing this the other day. I said, some people argue they don’t know when life begins. However, a woman can determine if she is pregnant within 10 to 14 days of conception. How many women announce that they’re pregnant with a cell as opposed to pregnant with a baby?

moonsbreath on March 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Ed,

Good post. I am very saddened by your wife’s struggles, and will keep you all in my prayers.

catlady on March 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM

However, a woman can determine if she is pregnant within 10 to 14 days of conception. How many women announce that they’re pregnant with a cell as opposed to pregnant with a baby?

moonsbreath on March 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Testing companies make big $$ of women who desperately want to become pregnant.
You would not believe the anguish of women out there who test as early a 5 days after ovulation, continuously til their next period.
Many women get ‘chemical’ pregnancies & they mourn it as if the child were ‘real’.
So it’s all based on perspective.
If you do not think, for instance, a Jew is human, then you can do all sorts of things to them, like gas them, do evil experiments on them, bash their heads in etc.
Bcs after all, they are not human.
Hey-I didn’t say Hitler!

Badger40 on March 13, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I’ll take Krauthammer’s position. Either that or quit creating excess embryos during in vitro pregancy attempts.

a capella on March 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM

The other being global warming.

MarkTheGreat on March 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Are you saying they have been misleading me? I guess I will take down my Incovienent Truth poster and go back to my Che poster.

WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Dang.
pregancy s/b pregnancy

a capella on March 13, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Go to Do No Harm for the list of the advances with skin cells:

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm

jcheney on March 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM

out of curiousity, if the idea is to use the stem cells as a treatment, using the patients own DNA, what level of manipulation will be required in order to insure that none of the existing genetic diseases the patient has will remanifest?

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on March 13, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Hello. I’ve never commented before…too many extremely quick minded people that I can’t keep up with, but I read hotair all the time. This particular post deals with something my family thinks about every day and I felt I had to comment. I understand to a great extent what Captain Ed is saying and I agree 100% with this post. My 19 year old son has lived with kidney disease (FSGS) for the past 15 years and has been on non-stop immune suppressing medication. Neoral was a daily staple for 10.5 years (along side Prednisone) until it became toxic to his kidneys. He has now been taking Cellcept(among other medications)for the past 3.5 years. These drugs are life savers, but as Captain Ed has said, also have many side effects that give the patient new problems to deal with that also have potential life long effects. Over the past few years, I’ve been thrilled reading about the research and progress made with adult stem cells as I look forward to the day when my son will be able to derive a cure from his own cells and where this research will finally advance to the point where he will no longer need the current medication he is taking. Using embryonic stem cells will not help his situation. Thank you, Ed, for this post and the truth it highlights, as well as bringing attention to what a “buck passer” Obama is.

andra on March 13, 2009 at 2:04 PM

go back to my Che poster.

WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM

This is so much more chic. You will fit in with the DC socialites much better with one of them on your wall.

Badger40 on March 13, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on March 13, 2009 at 2:04 PM

That is a good question. I don’t know enough to answer it. However, if you look at the paragraph I quoted above about the patient with Parkinson’s, they were able to produce healthy mature neurons from stem cells.

I’m guessing some of it may have to do with understanding what cause the disease in the first place. It may have been a genetic weakness in which additional exposure to stress, infection, environment, etc., played a destructive role. The new mature cells bypass that.

That’s just a guess and I’m not a scientist. I’m suggesting it because studies have been done linking Parkinson’s to exposure to some pesticides. My dad has neurological problems and my sister found those studies.

Our paper describes how we were able to isolate patient-derived neural stem cells, multiply them in vitro and ultimately differentiate them to produce mature neurons before they are reintroduced into the brain’s basal ganglia.

INC on March 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM

This is so much more chic. You will fit in with the DC socialites much better with one of them on your wall.

Badger40 on March 13, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I heard Obama was doing this to ingratiate himself with the Washington socialites. I will be looking over his left shoulder in his next address from oval office to if the poster is on the wall.

WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM

The reversal, which did not get much play, essentially passed the buck to Congress to ban federal spending on destructive hEsc research (via Jill Stanek):
The law banning any federal funding of research that kills or risks injury to embryos was included in the language of the $410-billion omnibus appropriation bill that President Obama signed Wednesday. Known as the Dickey-Wicker amendment, the language has been included in the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services every fiscal year since 1996.

Passing the buck to Congress is a GOOD thing, if Congress knows better. 535 heads are better than one, especially if the one head belongs to the One. It’s called separation of powers, and re-demonstrates the genius of the Founders.

Obama gets “credit” for the Executive Order from the left, while Congress does the dirty work of saving embryos.

Steve Z on March 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Have you ever seen such a dishonest double-talking flimflam man? Just amazing.

marklmail on March 13, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Very informative ED. Thank you.

I’m just sorry that the reason you have so much knowledge about the subject is familial rather than merely academic.

LegendHasIt on March 13, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Who ever coined the term “slipper slope”?

Ed’s illustration of what illness and therapy looks like in the “real world” could not be more clear.

Still, the left won’t buy it. The issues with hESC need to be illustrated on their terms. Revealing the lies, corruption, and exploitation of hESC is the only way to reach them.

We only sound like a broken record when we talk about “ebryo/life/rights”. They don’t get it – don’t want to.

So what does it mean for poor people in the “inner-city” and Africa. Hmmm?…

Agrippa2k on March 13, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Very good post, Ed. I’m glad you’re wife is doing OK despite all those effects.

What kills me about the whole debate is the dishonesty in the reporting it. Instead of making the accurate statement that Bush “banned federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research” they report that he “banned embryonic stem-cell research.” There are private companies spending millions of money raised by other drugs and contributions from private individuals researching cures through embryonic stem-cells.

All the ban says is that taxpayers shouldn’t fund it, not that it isn’t allowed. Legal research happens with or without government funding, often with better results without it because no bureaucrats are meddling in it.

PastorJon on March 13, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Many people invested heavily in embryonic stem cell companies this week. They are not going to be happy when they read this article.

faraway on March 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM

We over here in California put $6 billion down this hole. There’s a reason why California’s economy is so crappy.

unclesmrgol on March 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM

How many women announce that they’re pregnant with a cell as opposed to pregnant with a baby?

moonsbreath on March 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM

+10

unclesmrgol on March 13, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Wrong side again, Ed.
Your wistful, supernaturalist thinking is gettin’ the better of your substrate.
You were wrong about Schiavo, wrong about IDT, wrong about the weapons in the Bekkah.
Wishing something is so doesn’t make it so.
hESC and hASC are complimentary, not competitive.
The scientific community is unanimous on this.

strangelet on March 13, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Maybe we in our collective partisanship we are underestimating Obama. Perhaps he really is uncomfortable with hESC and he was just posturing knowing that he would be signing into law a ban on federal funding. It would be just like his position on gay marriage where he talked around it and never saying anything explicitly negative all the while opposing it.

jerryofva on March 13, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Once again, demonstrating the superiority of “citizen journalism” over the MSM.

cthulhu on March 13, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Your wistful, supernaturalist thinking is gettin’ the better of your substrate.

strangelet on March 13, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Seemed a well reasoned article to me. Why was it “wistful, supernaturalist” thinking? You claim that they are complimentary – if one is clearly superior to the other, why is this so? If one option is not superior, where and how does the other excel or compliment the other?

We could do both, but if one looks better and comes with less ethical issues why not focus on one option? Money is tight these days, after all.

(Putting aside the argument that the feds shouldn’t be funding any of this sort of thing in the first place.)

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 13, 2009 at 3:23 PM

The scientific community is unanimous on this.

My son watches Spongebob, and they sometimes have swarms of anchoves causing havoc, all bouncing up and down and mimicing each other without apparently knowing why. When people say things like this, I think of that picture.

How many “scientists” thought the world was flat? How many thought the sun circled the earth? How many scoffed at the idea that they were killing their mothers during childbirth by working in the morgue, not washing their hands, and then going straight to help deliver a child? Congressmen were quoting “scientists” when they said if we went faster than 25 miles per hour in a car we’d be crushed so we shouldn’t make cars. The “scientific community” tripe was used to say that the debate was over on “global warming”, like it was used to say the debate was over about “global cooling” in the 70s, and previous to that “global warming” in the late 40s, etc.

By the way, is this the same “scientific community” that boots people for even using the words intelligent design.

PastorJon on March 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM

So what’s the Obama position now, no hEsr because of the Omnibus Bill and no funding the most promising alternatives because Obama rescinded former Pres. Bush’s Exec Order. My God, Obama gave us the worst of both worlds while promising the most competent administration evah!

eaglewingz08 on March 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Geek…Ed is not a scientist.
Read the pubmed articles.
Only those invested wholly in wistful thinking like like Ed can claim hASC is superior.
Science is competitive. The best paradigm will succeed, all other things being equal. There has been fed fundage for hASC for the last 6 years, and that is why there is more results.
The 21 pre-existing lines of hESC are devolved and useless for human research.
That is why the expansion bill(that Bush veto’d)….it was to restart those 21 lines so that they would be useful.
You have bigger ethical problems than the halflife of cryo’d diploid oocytes….
Check out nanoassembly of ribosomes.

strangelet on March 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM

A couple of years ago I read an article in the IEEE Spectrum magazine about a technology that builds the structure for an organ such as a kidney or a liver. This is just a structure made of bio-digestive “bones” and a softer digestive material. It included space for veins and arteries. This could then be injected with a stem cells targeted for the organ with the goal of an eventual result in a organ that could be transplanted into the originator of the stem cells.

I.E., we would not have to “clone” a person to get transplantable organs (unlike the techniques used in Robert A. Heinlein’s books). We would just have to clone the organ itself.

dswardstrom on March 13, 2009 at 3:35 PM

PastorJon….how can I phrase this politely?
Science is the continuous replacement of orthodoxies by heresies which then become orthodoxies, to be replaced by the better model.

Alternatively, Science is the history of dead religions.

strangelet on March 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Geek….

if one is clearly superior to the other, why is this so?

If you read the journal articles hESC is far better for disease modelling, and the lines are more long-lived, infinitely better for continuity of experiments.
Read about telomeres.

strangelet on March 13, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Strangelet:

Sorry but hESC is going nowhere whether it gets government funding or not. We now can create puripotent stem cells from skin tissue without the use of viruses that cause cancer later. hESCs are not needed to develop new therapies. hASCs that can be produced from the patient are superior to hESCs in every way.

jerryofva on March 13, 2009 at 4:21 PM

The immune response would still be an issue with IDDM. After all, what happens to the islet cells in the first place?

VerbumSap on March 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM

PastorJon….how can I phrase this politely?
Science is the continuous replacement of orthodoxies by heresies which then become orthodoxies, to be replaced by the better model.

Alternatively, Science is the history of dead religions.

strangelet on March 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM

+100.

What I can’t understand is Ed Morrisey’s irrational response to the development of technologies which might help his wife, or others who suffer similarly in the future. He seems utterly devoid of compassion, or perhaps it is the form of compassion evidenced by Mother Theresa -
who wanted her wards to suffer, because suffering was good for the soul (also being good for *her* personally). I wouldn’t go so far as to call Ed a Theresa, but he might be blinded by dogma into thinking that helping others through hESC research is somehow evil.

The fact is that it *will* happen. If not here, then somewhere else and some other time. Or it will prove to be a dead-end. But the research and the promise are there for us now. What right do those like Ed have to stop it? It can save lives. It can end suffering. It is the very essence of good.

If there is a God, and these tissues have a soul, let him worry about them. He condemns babies to burn in hell with the dogma of Original Sin, so why not hESC?

Viscount_Bolingbroke on March 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Viscount:

Canard after Canard. If hESCs were the way to private biotech companies would be pouring money into research because billions could be made. However, these very same companies are already making products using hASCs and are hard at work on adult cell alternatives. We don’t need hESCs to get pluripotent cells. We can do this with ordinary adult skin cells and don’t have the drawback of recipient rejection since they can be manufactured from one’s own skin cells. The fact that hESC research is dependent on government funding indicates that nobody is willing to put their own money into it because there is no there there.

I have proposal for you. I agree to not use any therapies that come from hESCs if you refrain from using therapies developed from hASCs. Now I know this not enforcable but at least as theoretical argument it reveals preferences.

jerryofva on March 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Good post, Ed.

I have a couple of type-I diabetic children. I would love nothing more than a cure, but do not want it at the expense of terminating another life. Obviously, I’ve been watching adult stem cell research and am very happy with the progress being made there as well as with Dr. Faustmann’s research with BCG.

At least, treatment is way better than it was even a decade ago, and for that, I can count my blessings.

I think we are getting much closer to a cure and that progress is being made in research that does not destroy life. Too bad the media etc. prefer to ignore it and/or cast adult stem cell breakthroughs as though they came from embryonic research. Sigh…

batter on March 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1161085/Use-aborted-foetus-organs-transplants-urges-scientist.html

Stem cells, ‘master cells’ widely hailed as a ‘repair kit’ for the body, offer hope. However, the creation of fully-functioning 3D organs is ‘remote’, Sir Richard said.

But Professor Stuart Campbell, who has argued for the abortion time limit to be lowered, had no ethical objections to the proposal.
He said many babies were aborted quite late, ‘and if they are going to be terminated, it is a shame to waste their organs’.
He added: ‘I am sure very few of those on the transplant list would rather die than accept an organ from an aborted foetus.’

We have to pray and we have to work together to stop this from ever happening.

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM

As usual, the Left is in this for ideology, not reason.

Fixing our bodies with our own cells is so clearly better than embryo farms, that it shows the sickness of our society that these people aren’t shunned as the stunted people that they are.

r keller on March 13, 2009 at 7:21 PM

That is why it appears to me that throwing federal funding at hEsc despite its failures and inherently limited application of tissue replacement has a lot more to do with justifying abortion than it does with actual scientific progress, at least from my admittedly personal experiences

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Ed’s last sentence says it all.

I truly believe that embryonic stem cell research will never lead to any meaningful treatment, no matter how much money is thrown at it. We will, 10 years from now, be continuously reminded that we are ‘on the verge’ of great breakthroughs, but they will never occur.

The worst thing about it, even worse than the destruction of the embryos, is the false hope that is given to millions of people, simply for political gain.

Labamigo on March 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM

In addition to giving “scientific” cover for justifying abortion, strangelet demonstrates the other motivation for pursuing research that has produced nothing close to usable therapies while its competition is busy saving lives – moralistic preening by arrogant anti-religious bigots.

Science *is* competitive and human stem cell research has already trounced hEsc in its production of clinically applicable treatments and successes. One of my co-workers was diagnosed with multiple myeloma a little over a year ago and is currently finishing a stem-cell bone marrow therapy that has kept another patient (who happens to be a friend of hers) in remission for five years. My friend is a strong, outspoken pro-life Catholic and never would have accepted treatment from an embryonic source. She is doing very well and has actually returned to work two days a week at a point where, absent this type of therapy, most multiple myeloma patients would have succumbed to the disease. To push government financing of research in an area of such moral controversy, no clinical value and in the face of a successful competitor is like mandating continued government promotion of Betamax over VHS.

inmypajamas on March 13, 2009 at 11:53 PM

…has a lot more to do with justifying abortion than it does with actual scientific progress…

Hence a triumph of politics over science.

Kafir on March 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM

The scientific community is unanimous on this.

strangelet on March 13, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Like the consensus on global warming…

Better change your tagline to stupid-let.

Right_of_Attila on March 14, 2009 at 10:31 AM

What I find disturbing about those who support embyro research is the “ends justifies the means” attitude. During the campaign they ran this ad that showed a small child who was diabetic worrying about getting stuck with the needles. Granted a tough situation, but life will be full of them. We seem to think that life should not have any difficulty. What would her attitude be if we offered to kill her sister so she didnt have to have a needle stuck in her finger every day? The whole argument is stated in terms of what it might do and little attention is paid to what it takes to get there.

pgrossjr on March 14, 2009 at 12:29 PM

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