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Obama abandons “enemy combatant” term for Gitmo detainees; Update: “Old wine in new bottles”

posted at 4:35 pm on March 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
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There are no enemies. There are only friends we haven’t made yet.

A fine alternative term via Twitter: “Undocumented protagonists.”

In a filing today with the federal District Court for the District of Columbia, the Department of Justice submitted a new standard for the government’s authority to hold detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility. The definition does not rely on the President’s authority as Commander-in-Chief independent of Congress’s specific authorization. It draws on the international laws of war to inform the statutory authority conferred by Congress. It provides that individuals who supported al Qaeda or the Taliban are detainable only if the support was substantial. And it does not employ the phrase “enemy combatant.”…

In its filing today, the government bases its authority to hold detainees at Guantanamo on the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, which Congress passed in September 2001, and which authorized the use of force against nations, organizations, or persons the president determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the September 11 attacks, or harbored such organizations or persons. The government’s new standard relies on the international laws of war to inform the scope of the president’s authority under this statute, and makes clear that the government does not claim authority to hold persons based on insignificant or insubstantial support of al Qaeda or the Taliban.

I won’t pretend to know the law of detention well enough to say if this has practical consequences or if it’s just a cosmetic change to please the left by scrubbing Dubya’s fingerprints from the doctrine. My hunch, given that we’ve been repatriating “insubstantial” jihadis for years now (with deadly results), is that it’s the latter per Rich Lowry’s disection of Obama’s standard M.O.: Denounce one of Bush’s policies, pretend to reverse it, then adopt it more or less as is. Sounds like the plan here. Exit question: Is this a signal that The One plans to keep Gitmo open longer than expected? If he’s serious about shutting it down soon, there’s really no need to placate the “international community” with gestures like this. Just close it. If anything, this smells like a sly way to justify continued detention going forward. “Don’t blame me — I’m just following the law Congress and international treaties gave me.”

Update: WaPo’s confusing me. Are there practical consequences to this or not?

Judges have said the definition will play a key role in determining whether the government has justified the confinement of scores of detainees who are challenging their status in U.S. District Court…

Though dropping the term “enemy combatant” will have little practical effect, it is a symbolic move by the Obama Administration to break with the past.

Update: The lefty Center for Constitutional Rights rolls its eyes. Lowry 1, Obama 0:

“While the new government has abandoned the term ‘Enemy Combatant,’ it appears on first reading that whatever they call those they claim the right to detain, they have adopted almost the same standard the Bush administration used to detain people without charge – with one change, the addition of the word ‘substantially’ before the word ‘supported.’ This is really a case of old wine in new bottles.”


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how about we just call them refugees.

rob verdi on March 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Taliban are detainable only if the support was substantial.

So what does “substantial” mean?

Mark1971 on March 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Maybe we can give former Gitmo detainees as gifts to visiting heads of state, thereby clearing up two knotty little issues at once.

TexasDan on March 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I’m surprised Obambi didn’t call them potential Democratic voters.

Percy_Peabody on March 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Comrades…

d1carter on March 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Obama calls them “friends”

grapeknutz on March 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Maybe they will be called “undocumented opponents.”

Mark1971 on March 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Barry says “Hey, this presidenting stuff is harder than it looked.”

AubieJon on March 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM

So what does “substantial” mean?

Mark1971 on March 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I’m going to leave that question to Lorien.

TexasDan on March 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Future Obama voters…

Realist on March 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Though dropping the term “enemy combatant” will have little practical effect, it is a symbolic move by the Obama Administration to break with the past.

Obama emphasizing style over substance? Inconceivable!

strictnein on March 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM

How soon before we are hit again?

ctmom on March 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Future Kos bloggers?

awake on March 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter . . . “

AZCoyote on March 13, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I can understand this, since The Precedent is an enemy combatant, himself.

progressoverpeace on March 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM

What are they called now: ‘BROTHER’?

HornetSting on March 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM

God, I had that man!

Blake on March 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I can understand this, since The Precedent is an enemy combatant, himself.

progressoverpeace on March 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM

LOL Good one, PoP! (I’ve been using “The Precedent” like a good girl, have you noticed?)

ladyingray on March 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM

With this change, I just feel so much safer now from terrorist attacks.

I bet OBL crapped in his pants when he heard this…”Damn, that Obama is just too smart for us, forget it, we give up.”

AmericanUnderground on March 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM

The government’s new standard relies on the international laws of war to inform the scope of the president’s authority under this statute.

So if they nuke us, who do we text message to see if it’s OK to exact revenge? I don’t think the Geneva Convention covers the actions of savages whose uniform includes a black ski mask and whose home base is a damp cave in Wellkillyastan.

fogw on March 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Can a multi billion dollar stimulus/bailout for Gitmo detainees be far behind?

Mike D. on March 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM

The new phrase is:

future democrat voter

or

future MSNBC anchor

lorien1973 on March 13, 2009 at 4:47 PM

So if they nuke us, who do we text message to see if it’s OK to exact revenge? I don’t think the Geneva Convention covers the actions of savages whose uniform includes a black ski mask and whose home base is a damp cave in Wellkillyastan.

fogw on March 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM

by allowing the terrorists to shoot the gaps of classification we are in fact greenlighting more extremism…

sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Exit,so far,same old,same old,I can’t wait for the
Obama insurrection,of pissed off,betrayed Obama voters!

Oh wait,the Law has been handed down from Mount Pelosi,

one of the Liberal Ten Candommandments,

Thou shall not,criticize,in words or pictures,drawings,
cartoons,and especially crayons of the ‘ONE’!

canopfor on March 13, 2009 at 4:47 PM

ladyingray on March 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Yes, I have. Good work, ladyingray. It’s slowly catching on, I think.

progressoverpeace on March 13, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I’m going to leave that question to Lorien.

TexasDan on March 13, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Why me? *confused*

lorien1973 on March 13, 2009 at 4:48 PM

The government’s new standard relies on the international laws of war

is there international agreement on the definition of terrorism ? No, because you see, one man’s terrorist is another man’s friend.. I mean freedom fighter…

runner on March 13, 2009 at 4:48 PM

So what then,call them misguided spiritual endeavors!

canopfor on March 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Obama wants to take us back to pre-9/11 mentality where intelligence agencies had one hand tied behind their backs, blind folded and given limited authority with a long chain of command to go through which will include David Axelrod who will poll to help decide Obamas mind for him.

Obama is going to get us all killed. Is it going to take another attack to wake these morons up? God forbid we are attacked again because this time it will be a nuke or bio weapons. Damn this Obama and his whole liberal ideology.

portlandon on March 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Ah, well. At least they didn’t try to rename enemy combatants as “sea kittens.”

Doctor Zero on March 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM

So what then,call them misguided spiritual endeavors!

canopfor on March 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM

given their antics in EUrabia I’d call them “Crusaders”….

sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Maybe we can give former Gitmo detainees as gifts to visiting heads of state, thereby clearing up two knotty little issues at once.

TexasDan on March 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I vote for several at a time to Chavez, Castro, … etc

catlady on March 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM

canopfor on March 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM

“misguided” ?

you are such a racist.

lorien1973 on March 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM

The world according to Garp Obama

rplat on March 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Doctor Zero on March 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Sea kittens??? My cats are offended!

catlady on March 13, 2009 at 4:51 PM

So I guess ‘Moderate Jihady’,is more user friendly!

canopfor on March 13, 2009 at 4:52 PM

I agree with portlandon -

We are regressing. God helps when the next one comes, and it will come under this administration. They can find their a$$ with both their hands!

catlady on March 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM

This is just another case of Waffles doing one thing and then the opposite… simultaneously. For all the leftards out there, suck on this:

U.S. opposes torture lawsuit

The Obama Administration, taking its first position in a federal court on claims of torture of Guantanamo Bay detainees, urged the D.C. Circuit Court on Thursday to reject a lawsuit by four Britons formerly held there. In addition, the new filing argued that a recent appeals court ruling makes clear that “aliens held at Guantanamo do not have due process rights.”

…The brief was another indication that, at least so far, the new Administration is not moving to make a wide-ranging break with detention policies of the former Bush Administration. While President Obama has ordered the closing of Guantanamo by next January, lawyers for the government have taken positions in a variety of detainee court cases that do not propose fundamental change.

scotusblog.com/wp/more-rights-claimed-for-detainees/
(quite a misleading title for the link)

George Orwell on March 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Obama Doctrine: Free the Enemy, Jail Bush (and Cramer)

faraway on March 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM

I’d like to “use friendly” these scum… under my lawn mower!

catlady on March 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM

“Obama abandons “enemy combatant” term for Gitmo detainees”

How about “Dead enemy combatant”, which I think has a really nice ring to it!

GFW on March 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Is the term “domestic enemy” still around in the Oath of Office? After all, how can the filthy liar hold office when he is in fact an enemy of the state?

highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM

you are such a racist.

lorien1973 on Mar 13,2009 at 4:50PM.

lorien1973: Tee hee!:)

canopfor on March 13, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Yeepieee! No war, no enemies.

All hail The Messiah! He is truly The One.

Thank God, the DixieChicks, the Will Smiths can now go abroad and not feel shamed.

Sir Napsalot on March 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Impeachment 2010
Impeachment 2010
Impeachment 2010
Impeachment 2010

Reapeat

Western_Civ on March 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM

It provides that individuals who supported al Qaeda or the Taliban are detainable only if the support was substantial.

Does this mean that Obamuhhh, Reid, Pelosi, etc. are on their way to Gitmo, then?

Master Shake on March 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Are there practical consequences to this or not?

dont taze me bro on March 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM

“Sweeties”

thebrokenrattle on March 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Though dropping the term “enemy combatant” will have little practical effect, it is a symbolic move by the Obama Administration to break with the past.

That would be the past where we pursue the enemy with military force when they attack us. The filthy liar has made this nation less safe. He needs to be neutralized as soon as possible. A rout in the 2010 elections followed by two years of unmitigated and unrelenting revenge on this filthy bastard’s band of criminals, socialists, and terrorist supporters.

highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM

How about we call them “room temperature” and then work on achieving it?

theotherKate on March 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Western_Civ on March 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Impeachment will never happen so long as the filthy liar’s party is able to control Congress. By typical Democrat standards the filthy liar is squeaky clean.

highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Authorization for the Use of Military Force, which Congress passed in September 2001, and which authorized the use of force against nations, organizations, or persons the president determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the September 11 attacks, or harbored such organizations or persons.

You know, Authorization for the Use of Military Froce, is SOOOO 2001.

This is the New Age of Obama. HE ended the war. Just like he promised he would do, the Lightworker.

Sir Napsalot on March 13, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Let’s call Gitmo a resort, “Mecca of the Carribean”, and let’s call the occupants “Guests”. No need to provide personnel that know how to check “Guests” out. And, no taxis.

AZCON on March 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Let’s do with them what Castro did with his prisoners, let them go into Cuba as refugees (instead of the US).

Les in NC on March 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM

I was reading the story about U.S. Brigadier General Charles Canham and the history of U.S. 8th Infantry Division’s motto: These are my credentials. Where are those type of leaders today? I want to live in that type of America, not this Brave New World of Barry.

Blake on March 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Let’s abandon the child-president himself.

With Osama Obama in power, who needs enemies?

Resist. Recall. Impeach.

MrScribbler on March 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM

So many mixed signals,

so many variations of

Obama’s words to the world!

Not one solid message,every day,

its a new meaning!

—————————————————

Wait a minute,maybe someone typed that on Obama’s
teleprompter when he wasn’t looking,as a joke!Ahem.

canopfor on March 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM

I hope “symbolism” is another word for a really scary weapon or form of justice that will keep us safe.

myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM

That would be the past where we pursue the enemy with military force when they attack us. The filthy liar has made this nation less safe. He needs to be neutralized as soon as possible. A rout in the 2010 elections followed by two years of unmitigated and unrelenting revenge on this filthy bastard’s band of criminals, socialists, and terrorist supporters.

I like the way you think, they go easy on the enemy, so we hit them hard and the enemy harder “Who’s side are you on, anyway?”

thebrokenrattle on March 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM

I’m surprised Obambi didn’t call them potential Democratic voters.

Percy_Peabody on March 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Speaking of which, the state out in the ocean where O’bama claims he was born just gave incarcerated felons the right to vote.

Del Dolemonte on March 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Thing is, the “law” of enemy combatants is non-existent. The legal question is whether the executive branch determines how long to hold these guys or whether the federal judiciary can assert itself to control the process.

Frankly, SCOTUS f***ed it up again by declaring that the constitution applies to these dirtbags when it so obviously doesn’t. Now that the courts have intervened, the president can use any term he wants but if some pointy-nosed prude in a robe decides otherwise then tough. WaPo is crazy to think that the judiciary will suddenly defer to the president on this when it has overriden both the executive and legislative branches to exert itself in this.

Exit question: wonder if dropping the term “enemy combatant” came from the newest member of DOJ . . .

cackcon on March 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM

“Non-Western Unaffiliated Aliens?”

GunRunner on March 13, 2009 at 5:07 PM

In Chicago they’d be a “professor”, writing books, given awards, running educational panels, hanging out with the future Pres. of the United States, doing interviews…

little italy on March 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Another one via Twitter: ‘Disaffected religion of peace ambassadors’

CP on March 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM

There has been a solution that every soldier on the field of battle has just heard from their commander-in-chief. It is unspoken, and the soldiers are forced to make it now thanks to Obama’s incompetence. That is to make sure that there are no more prisoners taken. I hate that Obama has forced our soldiers into this situation.

portlandon on March 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Conscientious objectors, perhaps

lorien1973 on March 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM

I remember a video cartoon that was released shortly after 9/11 that depicted hippies offering peace and flowers to a heart touched Osama Bin Laden. As I was watching it I was really disgusted with these hippies and thought to myself, “There can’t really be guys like this?”

But the cartoon wasn’t finished yet. After Osama accepted the peace offering the hippies tore off their tie-dye peace shirts and pulled out all sorts of guns, grenades, etc and left an enormous crater where Osama once stood.

Now looking back, I guess those hippies (including Obama) really do exist and that it really was the US’s fault why the twin towers came down after all.

shick on March 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM

future leg tinglers w/glistening pectorals and AK-47’s

Ris4victory on March 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM

unassociated advosarial contender

mossberg500 on March 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM

B. Hussein Obama’s new euphemisms for Gitmo detainees:

Anti-Soviet Freedom Fighters

Building Demolition Assistants

Ordnance Development Technicians

Doctors of Cerebral Amputation

Madrassa Graduate Students (Taliban = students!)

Defenders of Female Honor by Lapidation

Al Jazeera interviewees

Escapees from Alcatraz

Subjects of Enhanced Interrogation

Alleged Violators of Afghan Brady Bill

Muslim Victims of Neocon Imperialism

Prayerful Devotees of Mohammed (pbuh)

Sleep-Deprived Dreamers

World Court v. Bush Plaintiffs

Qur’an Desecration Witnesses

Friends of Fidel

1,001 Arabian Knights

Qur’an Parrots of the Caribbean

Steve Z on March 13, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Exit question: wonder if dropping the term “enemy combatant” came from the newest member of DOJ . . .

cackcon on March 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM

my first thought, too. I’m sure it’s merely coincidental. /sarc

Quisp on March 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM

“Future administration appointees”

dont taze me bro on March 13, 2009 at 5:28 PM

jihad didn’t leave them, they left jihad

rightside on March 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM

A rose by another name…..

Terrye on March 13, 2009 at 5:38 PM

I would have thought bloodthirsty islamic extremist hellbent on the destruction of the USA and all that she stands for would have been more appropriate.But hey thats just me.

canditaylor68 on March 13, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Doesn’t the phrase “enemy combatant” come from the Geneva Accords? It isn’t a definition Bush made up.
Bush also called them “evildoers”. Does Obama want to refute that as well?

redshirt on March 13, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Bloodthirsty
Islamic
Taliban
C***sucking
Hos

Fuquay Steve on March 13, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Arguably, by dropping the term “enemy combatant” – which implies combat participant – in favor of any Tom, Dick or Harry that provided “substantial support” to the enemy, Obama has arguably lowered the standard for detention.

Bart DePalma on March 13, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Maybe Obama should abandon that other term Bush used a lot…..President.

albill on March 13, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Obama calls them “friends”

grapeknutz on March 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Better yet, “some guys in the neighborhood.”

Indeed, “these are guys who peformed despicable acts when I was an Illinois state senator or a U.S. Senator or, in all events, well before I knew them.”

Kind of interesting, I think it’s exactly a year ago this weekend when the spit hit the fan on the Jeremiah Wright relationship. I thought Obama was a POS for attending Wright’s hateful church for at least 15 years, and I still do. Any douche who could tolerate Wright, Ayers, Phleger, and too many others without lifting a finger to correct them is un-American.

This development comes as no surprise.

BuckeyeSam on March 13, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Let’s call them “Victims of Civil Rights Violations to be Invented Named Later.”

hillbillyjim on March 13, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Just about every day we get a story about the Obama administration strutting around saying “we shot down Bush” and then watching them pretty much adopt the same policy,just with “nuance”.

Rendition

NSA wiretapping

Indefinite Retention

Enhanced interrogation

Bombing villages and killing civilians

Using State Secrets

Using signing statements to bypass legislation

Keeping troops in Iraq based on conditions on the ground

Hiring Lobbyist

Using Earmarks…on…and…on….and….on,
continue the hypocrisy and lies.

You really have to be an absolute dumba$$ to still support this “Chameleon and Chief”.

Baxter Greene on March 13, 2009 at 6:15 PM

I sure hope someone is writing this all down and keeping track of the time line, so when a million or so fellow Americans turn into ash, we can finally tell Mr. Teleprompter to go to hell………..

Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Just rebuilding America’s Amerika’s image in the world.

darwin-t on March 13, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Ma Deuce can fix all that on the scene.

a capella on March 13, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Terrorist-Americans

whitetop on March 13, 2009 at 6:51 PM

highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM

You really think that feckless bunch of turds in the House and Senate that call themselves Republicans has the stomach for impeachment? Who’s going to run it? Backdoor John? Mr ‘You don’t have anything to fear from an Obama Presidency’ McCain? They barely have the courage to speak out against Obama policies. They’re not going to impeach anyone, even if Obama did do something worthy of it. Our party is tearing itself apart trying to coopt Democrat voters by adopting Democrat positions. You think impeachment is going to go anywhere amongst the base? You guys are dreaming.
We had 8 years of President Bush ignoring the most digusting insults to him from people in Congress; we nominated a guy who spent 8 years running his own party down to further his own media reputation. Rather than punish him, we promoted him, and he humiliated our entire party by running the most pathetic campaign seen outside of a Junior High School. Our party, and our will is broken. If we can’t agree on what our party stands for, we’ll never survive an impeachment level fight. Let it go.

austinnelly on March 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Captured Enemy Combatants Inferior Nuisances; Suicide Bombers Darwin Awardees (Dishonorable Mention); VBIEDs Jihadi Space Program
I’d love to what other plans our new president has to subvert the efforts of the military in order to bring about his “civilian national security force”.
Looking to possibly subjecting U.S. Service Members to the ICC? Check.
Allow homosexuals to service openly? Check.
Consider a plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance? Check.

Send_Me on March 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

More like picric acid in leaky bottles or ether in rusty cans. The integrity of container the threat is in provides the margin of safety between destruction or its avoidance.

viking01 on March 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Undocumented enemies?

ChimpyMcObamahitler strikes again.

profitsbeard on March 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM

I got it, Lets sit them all on a bench and call them “Group W”

- The Cat

P.S. No, that’s not about Bush.

P.P.S. Speaking of, I mean how Arlo Guthrey is a lefty and all, why didn’t they call Bush’s cabinet The Group W?

MirCat on March 13, 2009 at 7:54 PM

No more “enemy combatant”? How about we call them “Islamic mercenaries”?

What sort of rights do the Geneva Conventions grant to mercenaries?

Spiny Norman on March 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM

In its filing today, the government bases its authority to hold detainees at Guantanamo on the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, which Congress passed in September 2001, and which authorized the use of force against nations, organizations, or persons the president determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the September 11 attacks, or harbored such organizations or persons.

Sounds an awful lot like George to me and it sounds like their a$$ will remain in Gitmo. Maybe we could call them friendly combatants?

Herb on March 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM

This is really a case of old wine in new bottles.”

Meh. Someone should write the Center for Constitutional Change and tell them to read the Bible more. The proper metaphor is old wine in new wineskins, not bottles.

Frivolous on March 13, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Obama’s newest homies?

Future Sharia finance contributors?

Tapdancing on a venal volcano, Barry will get burned by his bravado.

profitsbeard on March 13, 2009 at 9:10 PM

This is really a case of old wine in new bottles.

Mise En Bouteille Au Chateau Obama.

Buy Danish on March 13, 2009 at 10:05 PM

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