Notably religious president still hasn’t found a church after a year
posted at 7:59 pm on March 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
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I knew there was something I liked about him.
Dude, the t-shirts are coming.
The delay reflects how the economic crisis has crowded out some personal considerations since Obama’s inauguration in January, but it also underscores the complexities of this personal decision by a public man.
Past presidents have grappled with how and where to worship, but Obama’s pick is especially guaranteed to provoke interest and scrutiny…
As America’s first black president, Obama faces another unique conundrum: whether to join a historically black church.
Then there are standard logistical concerns: What churches could accommodate frequent presidential visits without seriously disrupting the existing congregation’s ability to attend services? Which can the Secret Service best secure? Which routes work well for a motorcade?
What church could possibly be good enough for a man at the center of his own religion? Exit question to D.C. residents: Any congregational recommendations for The One? We’ll want to make sure he feels at home, so pastors who think the government invented AIDS and are known to run Hamas propaganda in the church bulletin are a plus.
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Just as point of reference here but even Christ did not make Himself the center of Christianity. Christ pointed to his (and our) Father. Obama, the filthy liar, points to himself and demands we worship him.
highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Going to preach a little here so ignore this if you’re averse to it.(or yell at me if you like). But, aren’t we the same folks who abhorred the left treating the Palins and especially Bristol and her mom in very much the same way.
jeanie on March 13, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Sooo, you worship the founding fathers? Or, you think Obama is LIKE the founding fathers? Or, or,
I don’t get this comment at all. We are speaking about hypocrisy at just about its worst. The man claimed to be a man of deep Christian faith, and he can’t even be bothered to find a church to attend. Speaks volumes about how he handles just about everything: if he says it is so, regardless of the obvious truth, then by gosh, it must be so. What a load of horse crap.
tcn on March 13, 2009 at 9:16 PM
What about Obama getting jiggy with Palin’s church and speaking earmarks in tongues? ))))
Mister Ghost on March 13, 2009 at 9:16 PM
What
churchfaith could possibly be good enough for a man at the center of his own religion?petefrt on March 13, 2009 at 9:20 PM
but you’re still referring to the idea of a deeply christian President as how it ought to be. if anything, im relieved. he was lying about being something far more un-founderlike (being deeply christian). id prefer he not be, as thats how our founding fathers thought.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Finally something in common with Abraham Lincoln as I do not believe he ever joined any church although on occasion he did attend church services..
MB4 on March 13, 2009 at 9:21 PM
BTW, it’s”Trinity United Church of Christ,” not Trinity Lutheran.
SheofTwoMinds on March 13, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Come on Obie.. admit that you miss Wright and get over it. You’re in the WH now, and in 4 years even to us racist, anti-American preacher haters, seeing him coming into give you private weekly sermons about how bigoted and KKK like America is will be small potatoes.
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You can come out of the closet now. The MSM will protect you and your right to openly practice the religion of resentment.
RalphyBoy on March 13, 2009 at 9:23 PM
If Obama is a “committed Christian,” I’m the Queen of England.
Alana on March 13, 2009 at 9:24 PM
No time for finding churches. Too busy giving campaign speeches and funding the leftist social engineering. Betcha finding a church has a priority lower even than coming up with a plan for fixing the banking crisis.
petefrt on March 13, 2009 at 9:25 PM
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Well I’m just so relieved when anyone admits this loser is a liar… And that he lied about his fundamental make-up as a way of tricking the American people into trusting and voting for him. That is unbelievably relieving. /sarc
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RalphyBoy on March 13, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Not really. Since his campaign trip to Germany, I’ve figured his ultimate goal is King of the World.
Alana on March 13, 2009 at 9:28 PM
something far more un-founderlike (being deeply christian). id prefer he not be, as thats how our founding fathers thought.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:21 PM
What history books are you reading? All (Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, Adams) recognized the importance of religion in daily life, and rightly so. Yes, they all wrote about the danger of it, but I can point to many passages where they endorse it as important to the structure of society. You can’t rewrite history b/c you want to remake Obama in the image of a founding father. You can’t be that retarded. Or can you?
JAM on March 13, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Rumor has it he keeps a prayer rug under his desk in the oval office.
And it has a really cool Obama seal on it.
katy on March 13, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Besides, Obama is an athiest. He was brought up by communists, and did not have any formal religion until joining the dear Rev. Wright’s church. That was purely political. He is not Christian at all. He cannot even recognize the divinity of Christ! When asked about Christ, he said he was a good teacher!
Devout Christian my *ss!
JAM on March 13, 2009 at 9:34 PM
RalphyBoy on March 13, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Oh well, worshiping himself at WaPo then would give him another excuse to ride in that really cool limo.
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Ahhh i never said religious. I said deeply christian. most of the founding fathers were deists who mention divine providence and the goodness of a higher power as well as the teaching of jesus…but write extensively of their distaste, distrust, and ill will towards the christian sects, their clergy, and their blind faith.
im not trying to imprint a founder quality to obama so much as im trying to dispel this notion that somehow its good that our president be deeply christian, with a fundamental belief in a bible of literal truth and all that other nonsense that goes into being an “american christian” these days.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:36 PM
“All”? Hardly.
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 9:37 PM
References?
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison. Throw in Paine if you’d like. Franklin too. Maybe Hamilton was a bible literalist or something but he also wanted an american king…im not sure who else you’d be referring to.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Washington was no deist.
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 9:39 PM
LMAO. Can’t get enough of your posts, AP. When are you going to write a book?
Dusty on March 13, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Archibald’s strip club is @ K and 15th Street. I think they open at 11:00 on Sundays. They have pool upstairs at Fast Eddie’s for the kiddies. It’s about as classy a place as He deserves. Quick 2 minute drive, tops.
MarkABinVA on March 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Ok washington’s not as well quoted as the others but there is as little evidence that he was a believing christian as there is evidence he wasnt. none of the others were particularly fond of the christian religion, and make it apparent often.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:43 PM
They all pretended to be devout churchgoers to get elected, but then abandoned the pretense when it no longer served them. Yeah?
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 9:44 PM
LOL…that covers most presidents. Remember Bill Clinton carrying that brand-new-looking Bible to church after the Monica thing came to light?
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”
– “Notes on Virginia”
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.”
– to Baron von Humboldt, 1813
Both jefferson
“The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes.”
– letter to John Taylor
Adams
Theres more. This doesnt sound like the thoughts of someone deeply committed to christian beliefs and dogma does it?
Higher power? yea Doing good? sure Teachings of Jesus? maybe. Christianity in its big organized dogmatic form? nah.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Any church service that Obama attends will seem like a campaign rally with thousands of people standing outside waiting to see him every Sunday.
I bet many of these same people will likely pretend to be part of the congregation in order to get a seat near Obama.
I wonder if there will be a guest list to enter the church? That would be in direct conflict to Christ’s teachings of bringing everyone together.
SCOOPTHIScarlos on March 13, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Ernesto, you are either a fool or a TJ apologist if you think Hamilton actually wanted an American king. Your History channel education is grossly wanting.
cyclown on March 13, 2009 at 9:50 PM
What’s the hurry for a church? He’s got an alter for satan in his heart.
Lourdes on March 13, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Hey, don’t knock the History Channel just because some people are misinformed or under-informed. It does a SOMEWHAT interesting job of broadcasting on certain issues.
Lourdes on March 13, 2009 at 9:51 PM
…but as to that part, I agree with you.
Lourdes on March 13, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Ok im sorry, a president for life…excuse my discrepancy.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Ok. It does have the dude from Kung Fu on a western tech show so it can’t be all bad.
cyclown on March 13, 2009 at 9:53 PM
HE DIDN’T PRETEND TO BE, STUPID.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM
But back to the issue at hand, The One has been sooooo busy with everything else that he couldn’t possibly make time for Sunday pleasantries. More importantly, does he and Zira still take the time to hit the weights?
cyclown on March 13, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Absolutely not.
Washington, for starters, remained quite faithful to his Christian beliefs and read the Bible daily, when possible.
“It is impossible to rightly rule the world without God and the Bible.” — George Washington
Jefferson, too. Unfortunately, Jefferson has been horribly defamed over the years to suit the Left’s need for a hippie-dippie quasi-New Ager as Jefferson’s legacy, which he was not.
Jefferson accepted and even promoted the Biblical principles and Biblical beliefs and did believe in Jesus Christ as Savior, as did Washington.
Both of those, particularly, in their efforts to be just and “fair” have been, unfortunately, raked over by the historical-revisionists on the Left as being non-committal as to their faiths and beliefs.
As to Obama, however, few to anyone has ever believed he was “a Christian” FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT his overall character and issues-promotions defy any Christian context in any respectful, serious manner. By his “fruits” he is known to be a poser.
Lourdes on March 13, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Well im sorry you’re so upset but if the outcome of all this is that he’s not a devout christian thats a net plus…the fact he lied only bothers you because you want our president to be a devout christian.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Somebody please tell me you understand the point about pretending to be more devout than you really are in order to get elected. I didn’t realize the concept was so elusive.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I don’t care if he worships little purple penguins. The point is that he’s full of crap, and he’s so arrogant that he dropped the pretense the second it no longer served him. Good God that doesn’t exist, you’re thick.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 10:00 PM
A christian in the mold of Jefferson, one that took issue with dogmatic points like the divine trinity…one that lambasted the clergy often…one that often found enlightenment ideals on reason and inquiry to be at odds with the christian church…would not be acceptable to the religious right today.
A christian in the mold of Jefferson would be tarred and feathered as a faker and a liar. He’d lose to a “one of us” character who believes men can live in whales like Sarah Palin.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Church?
“My Muslim faith…”
Get thee to a mosque, Hussein.
profitsbeard on March 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Since when was lying the be all end all of politics?
Bush told me the united states doesn’t torture. But we did. I dont hold that against him any more than i hold Obama’s BS pandering about Christianity against him.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 10:02 PM
You’re livin’ in it. How’s your Hope and Change, genius?
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM
the fact he lied
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Dems lying is a virtue to their worshipers… Ask Billy Boy.
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RalphyBoy on March 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Good point. I’ve gotten so accustomed to it, much like I’ve grown accustomed to having breathable air around me, I don’t even notice when even his supporters admit it.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Hey now, I dont care that much for Obama that i’d say he wasnt lying when he clearly was. I voted for him because sarah palin makes me fear for humanity…doesnt mean i drank all the kool-aid.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I’m not sure of your perspective in your statement, but it doesn’t match the Gospels. Also check out this essay by C. S. Lewis, especially the second and last paragraph.
INC on March 13, 2009 at 10:07 PM
How perfectly self-contradictory.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Ha! Clearly the Church of Global Warming is the only one that measures up.
Buy Danish on March 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Please show me where Hamilton defends this idea in any of the 51 Federalist articles he wrote. Please.
cyclown on March 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Then it isn’t a “black church.” It’s a church with a congregation that’s mostly black.
baldilocks on March 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM
I’m curious, what aspects of the so called torture did you find objectionable?
And cry me a river.
After 9/11, the Bush administration pitched seven to eight shut-out years of safety from domestic terror. Whatever they did to accomplish is fine with me. Deal with it.
BuckeyeSam on March 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Actually it’s Trinity United Church of “Christ.”
:)
baldilocks on March 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
There is only one church wih that Chicago feel for Obama. Promotional Video Link.
WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM
I wouldn’t be disappointed if the man got in touch with his spiritual side. This is our President for the next four years, I see lots of room for improvement. How about we all get Republicans and Independents voted into the majority in the House 2010. That would be one prayer answered for Obama. Not to mention the rest of the country.
Dr Evil on March 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Actually, that sounds like someone lamenting that the various sects in Protestantism hasn’t lived up to the beliefs. That does not a deist make.
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
*haven’t
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I dont find it objectionable, thus i dont hold it against him that he lied to us about it. I also dont hold it against obama that he lied about being christian because i dont find not being christian to be objectionable.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
“The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”
“God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world.”
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Amen!
SheofTwoMinds on March 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Neither do I, you unbelievable dunderhead. I do find pretending to be Christian in a cynical ploy to get elected to political office to be objectionable.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Repeat for a new page. Anyone know anything about this?
SheofTwoMinds on March 13, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Especially when he’s like “Pffffft, never mind” when he gets it.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM
and i find pretending not to torture just to avoid making a real justification for harsh interrogation a cynical ploy to deflect criticism. still wont cry over it.
ernesto on March 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM
For as much time as he’s spending here in Chicago why doesn’t he just return to old Rev. Wright. He’s got the presidency, so now, in your face America, he’s going back to his roots and loving it. Jeremiah will welcome him with open arms. Barry is doing his daddy proud.
UnEasyRider on March 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
I agree, it would be silly to cry over something as incoherent as that.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Why not indeed?
Buy Danish on March 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Whatever church BO decides on it will have to approve abortion and late term abortions. Some people want to get their ears tickled and only hear what they want to hear when they are in church. Remember The Lord is the same as yesterday, today and tomorrow. The Lord doesn’t want folks who only want to be cafeteria type Christians, He wants your whole life. Sometimes people have a hard time giving up some of their old beliefs such as certan life styles and sins that they don’t see as sin.
garydt on March 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM
“The passions and appetites are parts of human nature as well as reason and the moral sense. In the institution of government it must be remembered that, although reason ought always to govern individuals, it certainly never did since the Fall, and never will till the Millennium; and human nature must be taken as it is, as it has been, and will be.”
We can go back and forth like this quite a it if you like.
ddrintn on March 13, 2009 at 10:43 PM
As noted, many Presidents (most?) have espoused a Christian faith but have not attended regularly. Most, however, have at least made occasional visits to the church of their choice.
I don’t expect Obama to be in church every Sunday. But if he doesn’t attend any services in several months, and apparently doesn’t have a minister/spiritual advisor providing prayer and spiritual counsel at the White House, it demonstrates that he’s not as serious about Christianity as he claimed.
Surprising, huh?
cs89 on March 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Phony intellectual. Phony moderate. Phony Christian.
Whatever it takes for him to advance his self-centered, selfish, all-about-me career.
jdflorida on March 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Voting “present” on the Almighty.
PattyJ on March 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM
“A man was going down from Washington to Baltimore, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. Now by chance a priest was going down that road; and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But an Obamanite, as he journeyed, came to where he was; and when he saw him, he had compassion, and went to him and looked through his pockets, and, seeing that he was rich, took all that he found, and brought it to an inn, and took care of the drinks of all within. And the next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, `About two stadii down the road you will find a rich man lying on his side. If he’s still alive, give these two denarii to him and tell him that they are his Stimulus, which should take care of him. Tell him also that if the economy improves, I will repay him when I come back. If he is dead, you may keep the denarii for your trouble.’ Which of these three, do you think, proved neighbor to the people of the inn?”
unclesmrgol on March 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
ernesto – Here is a breakdown of 204 of the Founding Fathers.
courtesy adherents.com
kingsjester on March 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
He isn’t a Christian.. The faith he professed is the same as Oprah. Sac rifice the babies and save the whales.
seven on March 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Actually, there is evidence of much debate as to the title of is now “The President of the United States”. Some of the terms offered bore no real relation to the job, such as Emperor, King, Your Highness, etc…
The problem was what to call the office, not what powers were to be granted. Washington himself eventually chose President, simply because he did not want to be called “King George”.
But, there is another story about how George Washington was nearly crowned King of the United States….
….During the Revolutionary War, Congress could no longer afford to pay the Army. After much negotiation, the soldiers agreed to continue without pay until after the war, when Congress would pay them in full when the money was available. Of course, this meant to get paid, they had to win.
After the war, Congress reneged on it’s deal to the soldiers who had returned to their farms and shops (no standing army at the time). Needless to say, they were not pleased. Over time and many efforts to get their money from the Congress (weird how some things never change, huh?), they resort to the nuclear option. They informed Congress that unless they were paid in full immediately, they gather in force, overthrow the government and install George Washington as King. Amazingly, they got their money. Now, what makes this story truly incredible is that for their threat to have any credibility, one must assume that Washington agreed to be the King. Of particular interest, and I’ve never been able to find evidence of it, is an assumption that Washington became the first President under the current Constitution due to a quid pro quo with Congress for not pursuing a Crown.
History is funny thing. G. Washingtons’ biography’s are accurate, but not complete….especially when it comes to his activity as a surveyor for the British Lords.
BobMbx on March 13, 2009 at 11:12 PM
This is one thing I would not criticize a President for. Why put a whole congregation through a pat-down search, and waiting for a canine bomb-sweep, just so you and your family don’t have to worship in the White House alone. Clinton was happy to inconvenience hundreds of people, but not everybody is as selfish as he is.
RBMN on March 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
My thoughts exactly. Sociopaths only do things that benefit them when they see fit and not a minute sooner.
thomasaur on March 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
He was only elected a few months ago. That is not enough time for some top drawer churches to elevate to his moral standards.
seven on March 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM
OBama Has Stated “I Am A Man Of Faith”. This Denotes He Believes In A Religion, It Does Not Plainly Declare Which. It Is A Deceiving Declaration (He Could Belong To Any Faith). He Believes In Mohammad, He Hallowes The Koran, He Has Stated “The Koran Has The Most Beautiful Words, I Have Ever Read”. This Man Was, Is, And Will Be A Muslim. You Cannot Be A Christian And A Muslim. To Reject Jesus As The Son Of GOD (The Lamb Of GOD, Who Takes Away The Sins Of Man) Is To Reject Christianity…PERIOD
GD on March 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Have you seen his Cabinet selections and fiends? He has no standards.
thomasaur on March 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Wow, ernie, talked all around that one. You have indeed gone from misreading history (presumably at the behest of those silly atheist websites that makes things up out of thin air) to defending Obama in his hypocrisy to, now, saying that you are glad Obama is not a real Christian, because all Christians are obviously fools. Nice dance, but still ludicrous.
You had probably better
prayhope that you are correct in denying God’s existence, else your final end will be an ugly one. You had also better hope that Obama has some other reason to remain a moral person, since it appears he blows with the wind and could turn on even you and the other atheists at any moment if it becomes politically expedient.tcn on March 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM
This has gotta be one of the dumbest things I ever read. Written, apparently, by a person who cares nothing for honesty, and can’t imagine anyone else would either.
Alana on March 13, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Why would the anti-christ need to find a church. Isn’t worshipping the devil in private religeous enough? He’s a commie, a muslim, foreign born, really a woman, whatever Jerome Corsi says he is, he’s the manchurian candidate, he’s not human. Saul Alinsky was his dad, no Stalin, he’s a Bolshevik, Mao was his uncle, no, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot. He’s whatever fevered minds that are getting smoked in elections says he is……right
athensboy on March 13, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Who lifted your rock?
thomasaur on March 13, 2009 at 11:49 PM
People like you make me fear for humanity, ernesto.
Alana on March 13, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Michael Reagan told his listeners, many years ago, that Reagan didn’t go to church while President because it was too much of a disruption to the local DC congregation. About a month before the end of his Presidency, Reagan was counting down the Sundays until he would start going to church again, this time at Bel Air Presbyterian Church.
mydh12 on March 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
If “getting smoked in elections” were the most important thing in the world, we wouldn’t be having this “conversation.”
baldilocks on March 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Closeted Muslims don’t normally attend Christian parishes.
Just saying.
awake on March 13, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Obama And His Kind Are Earthly Minded “Of The Flesh” As St. Paul Described It. In Their Daily Walk They Deny A Righteous GOD A Thousand Times, They Declare “Who Will Do Good For Man?, Where Is GOD?, There Is No Provider, We Shall Be GOD, We Shall Decide What Is Good, We Shall Be Mans Provider”. A Christian Is Commanded To Be “Spiritually Minded” That Is Looking Beyond The Temporal, To The Eternal. He Is To Consider The Source Of All Being And Humble Himself To The Commands Of “Have Faith In GOD” And “Be Thou Holy, For I Am Holy”. What Communion Has Light With Darkness?
GD on March 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Any non African American Christians (AKA, white people) who voted for O in this election, should now be experiencing serious buyer’s remorse.
Caveat Emptor, and F-all with that white guilt crap.
Death to PC!!!!!
awake
awake on March 13, 2009 at 11:58 PM
I would rather he didn’t seek out a church.
A show of piety from this guy would be yet another episode of going through false motions.
Maybe he should just take Sunday morning bowling lessons or something.
DarthBrooks on March 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Obama seems to have a need for a certain modèle fou de haine when it comes to that whole church experience thing.
Perhaps he’s just a bit jaded.
Speakup on March 14, 2009 at 12:22 AM
not exactly….
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-61926.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2648_127/ai_54680902/pg_2
One George Washington is worth a million Barack Obamas….
sven10077 on March 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
uh oh.. President TelePrompter’s southern supporters will not be happy.
TN Mom on March 14, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Get some rest. You’re going to need it in 2012.
Jim Treacher on March 14, 2009 at 12:34 AM
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