Notably religious president still hasn’t found a church after a year
posted at 7:59 pm on March 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
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I knew there was something I liked about him.
Dude, the t-shirts are coming.
The delay reflects how the economic crisis has crowded out some personal considerations since Obama’s inauguration in January, but it also underscores the complexities of this personal decision by a public man.
Past presidents have grappled with how and where to worship, but Obama’s pick is especially guaranteed to provoke interest and scrutiny…
As America’s first black president, Obama faces another unique conundrum: whether to join a historically black church.
Then there are standard logistical concerns: What churches could accommodate frequent presidential visits without seriously disrupting the existing congregation’s ability to attend services? Which can the Secret Service best secure? Which routes work well for a motorcade?
What church could possibly be good enough for a man at the center of his own religion? Exit question to D.C. residents: Any congregational recommendations for The One? We’ll want to make sure he feels at home, so pastors who think the government invented AIDS and are known to run Hamas propaganda in the church bulletin are a plus.
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That can be said of Jefferson. Washington and Adams were most definitely Christians. Thomas Payne was agnostic, I think.
jimmy2shoes on March 14, 2009 at 12:37 AM
I heard that the every day parties at the Whitehouse haven’t been that great.
Apparently Obama keeps smashing his guests toes, with his teleprompter.
Speakup on March 14, 2009 at 12:38 AM
His only regular church was the black liberation one. He joined for political reasons. Now that he doesn’t need a grassroots black church support system he could care less.
Conan on March 14, 2009 at 12:54 AM
He’ll pick one that some other president belonged to. This is too predictable.
LibTired on March 14, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Why find a church when you live in the Cathedral Basilica of the Immaculate Conception of Obamanism?
Upstater85 on March 14, 2009 at 1:18 AM
Don’t rely on so-called American Historians for your information. American University History Depts are festering repositories of secular liberal cretins, all of whom are eager to dispel any belief that America was founded on Christian principles by practicing Christians.
I went through many years of post graduate work in this field–as did most of my family (professors, teachers).
The goal of American History Depts are as follows:
1. Lie about the Christian foundation of America
2. Lie about the “Separation of Church and State” comment Jefferson used ONCE in a personal letter to the minister in Danville, GA
3. Lie about the contributions of what they call “The Great White Men” (quoted words always said with a sneer and a snide tone)
4. Puff up contributions by what can be described as early Marxists (Whiskey rebellion, fictitious farmers unions, agrarian utopians)
5. Puff up the contribution by Lesbians
You may think I was kidding or insane on Number 5 but I am not. People get full rides to Harvard with that.
And that is HARVARD! So don’t pay too much attention to Historians and certainly not Ivy Leaguers. Sorry to Ann Coulter on that. Cornell ain’t all that and a bag of chips of Ann.
Love ya Ann, but Ivy is nothing more than a parasitic plant feeding off otherwise healthy and independent trees until that tree collapses under the ivy’s weight, after which the ivy crawls to the next host-victim.
Read the original letters and works of early Americans yourself. Decide for yourself and don’t fall prey to the Historians ever changing appellations for the “religion” of the Founding Fathers.
When you read, looks specifically for the reasoning of God as the source of law versus what secular people want (Atheists).
Montana on March 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM
Ernesto, you should consider that the Founding Fathers (in your quotes) are referencing the Catholic Church, which, at that time, was more of a political organization than a church.
Hence the whole break and the creation of the Protestant faiths.
The Founding Fathers were against theocracy in general. They were against a Federal Church in America. They were not against churches in general.
Montana on March 14, 2009 at 1:50 AM
The Universal Church of The Infinite O.
After all He was “ready to rule from day one”.
hillbillyjim on March 14, 2009 at 5:58 AM
Exactly.
They didn’t want The Church Of America, just like The Church Of England. That is all that is meant by Separation of Church and State.
Opps, did it again, brought history and logic into a discussion.
RobertInLexington on March 14, 2009 at 6:52 AM
No! You mean Obama didn’t keep a promise? Color me shocked!
angryed on March 14, 2009 at 6:54 AM
The term ’separation of church and state’ is nowhere to be found in any founding documents. The way the left uses the term you’d think it was an amendment to the constitution or something.
angryed on March 14, 2009 at 6:56 AM
There must be a mosque somewhere for him!
Penguin on March 14, 2009 at 7:10 AM
http://www.nationalcathedral.org/
Now maybe he will want to change the name to the Obama National Cathedral. :-) Oh and for some reason the ACLU leaves this government sponsored church alone.
JeffinSac on March 14, 2009 at 7:24 AM
Anyone remember the scrutiny Sarah Palin received over the church she used to attend? I wonder why our president didn’t get the same treatment re his former church in Chicago?
Oh ye generation of vipers! O ye hippocrites!
mountainmanbob on March 14, 2009 at 7:25 AM
The National Cathedral is an Episcopal church.
GrayDog on March 14, 2009 at 7:41 AM
Obama’s self image is no longer as messiah, but god himself. His body is his church and the world his congregation.
maverick muse on March 14, 2009 at 7:50 AM
The Episcopalians dedicated and donated the National Cathedral, an ecumenical Christian sanctuary, for America. It was financed by Christians of every denomination, 7:41.
maverick muse on March 14, 2009 at 7:57 AM
when he was a member of Rev. Wright’s chunch in 20+ years he never heard the theme of a single sermon … so joining a church and attending services would be a waste of President Obama’s time.
He can worship at home by simply looking in the mirror ;)
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philly_nj on March 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM
Agreed. When Jefferson was writing to Baptists ( I believe) that is what he was speaking about.
RobertInLexington on March 14, 2009 at 8:38 AM
Church attendance is a prerequisite to being religious?
How charmingly simpletonesque. No, wait – stupid. Yes that’s it.
And why do people keep calling Obama black? He’s mixed.
Dave Rywall on March 14, 2009 at 8:45 AM
federal government is his god.. he just can’t admit it publicaly
gatorboy on March 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM
It takes awhile to choose the right mosque.
wildcat84 on March 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM
The Manchurian probably does not want to offend the Muslims by being seen worshiping in a non-Muslim location.
Changing subjects, I am eager to hear this second coming of JFK speak about the possible placement of Russian bombers in Hugoland and Cuber. We have hoards of Mexican drug lords poised on our border and the Rooskeys rattling their sword once again in North America. So Barry, whatcha going to do ?
JonRoss on March 14, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Get real, people!!!!!!!!!!
The Messiah don’t need no stinkin’ church. He IS the church…
Once again, I want to thank Christ that there is just under four years of Marxist Amateur Hour left……
adamsmith on March 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Very true – he only needed the membership to improve his standing in the black community and now that he’s been annointed that religion stuff can just get thrwn under the bus with the rest of the distractions.
Perhaps we should be glad that he stays at home worshipping himself – at least it requires less effort from the SS and doesn’t inconvenience normal people every sunday.
katiejane on March 14, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Just as National Cathedral is an oxymoron so is Episcopal and Church. Just an opinion, but it should be called Gaia Cathedral or hedonist church where you check your orthodox beleifs at the door. But everyone is welcome!
Fuquay Steve on March 14, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I suspect he’s not a Christian, not based on anything he’s said or done, but based on recognizing patterns in how hard line revolutionaries operate.
Michael Burleigh has written a lot about this. Revolutionary movements don’t exactly eliminate religion, the dictators recognize its power. Instead, they co-opt it. They mimic the speech and the rituals, they make obligatory references to the almighty. But they are self-consciously co-opting the psychology of religion and using it to calm and manipulate the proletariat.
That’s what Obama’s doing. Come on, you knew it when you saw Jeremiah Wright. It’s definitely a religion he’s pushing, but that religion ain’t Christianity. In my opinion anyway. I could be wrong, and in a way I hope I’m wrong.
jeff_from_mpls on March 14, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Love it!
TheRook on March 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM
One nation under god….. get it Bamma? Pick something bro.
Put slips of paper in a hat, but dammit pick something.
johnnyU on March 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Apparently he is sold on Black Liberation Theology. Or is it just the good Rev. that he thinks is his comforter or mentor. Running for President has put him in a total spiritual funk as he is not a spiritual person. Will be interesting to see what happens. Maybe the first Mother-in-law has some suggstions. Can’t leave those girls without some sort of guidance. Whatever the choice, it will be uncomfortable for The One.
BetseyRoss on March 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM
I Don’t Know. Obama has brought a lot of people to their Knees.
GunRunner on March 14, 2009 at 11:36 AM
In the immortal words of Frank Zappa:
That’s right, you asked for it, remember there’s a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.
jeff_from_mpls on March 14, 2009 at 11:46 AM
One nation under god….. get it Bamma? Pick something bro.
Put slips of paper in a hat, but dammit pick something.
johnnyU on March 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM
——–
He doesn’t have to pick anything.
When it comes to making a choice about how much religion is in his life he certainly doesn’t have to answer to you.
Dave Rywall on March 14, 2009 at 11:47 AM
He has got the rest of us praying though, that our god of choice will save us from the Bed Crapper in Chief’s incompetence, corruption and just general idiocy.
NoDonkey on March 14, 2009 at 11:58 AM
What a joke…I attend a Catholic church in downtown DC…a minute’s drive from the white house…Obama & his family are welcome anytime…no, we don’t share his views & we aren’t anything like his old church…but his family is welcome…as is anyone else’s…and I’m pretty sure any other church of any denomination in DC has open doors as well…only secular liberals could turn this into another great burden that the One has to bear…
DCJeff on March 14, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Wake Up, Open Your Eyes And Ears! This Admininstration Counts Wisdom As Folly! It Dismisses Horrific Threats Against This Blessed Land As “Whatever, No Worry”, It States The Real Business Is “Keep Voting For More Spending And We Will Perfect A Government Owned Utopian Society”. On This Course America Is Doomed, From Within And From Without. “The Way Of A Fool Is Right In His Own Eyes” “You Can Discern The Skies, But Can You Not Discern The Times?”
GD on March 14, 2009 at 12:34 PM
He’ll attend whatever church DC socialites attend, since that appears to be the next political class he’s intent to woo. It’s not about religion for him, but about political expediency.
redfoxbluestate on March 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I am sorry this man is not a christian..
No way in hell can you even believe that the
demonic religion of pieces islam came from anyhting other than satan..
But obama places it right up there with christianity and judiasim.
he an idiot.. but worse
he is a muslim manchurian candidate
period
jcila on March 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Obama’s attitude towards organized religion, or degree of self-worship, would seem to matter very little in the total scheme of things. I would imagine security issues are high on the list for consideration. It’s not as if he and the Mrs can just take the girls and hop in the car and drive down the street to wherever. Anyone who has lived and/or worked in DC for one year can tell you this.
Twenty-eight years, in case you were wondering.
manwithblackhat on March 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM
As I recall, Reagan didn’t attend church either, for logistical reasons, so there’s that. If I were POTUS I would (among other things) invite local ministers and other guests to conduct services in the WH. It’d drive the libtards nuts and there’s nothing they could do about it.
Akzed on March 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM
I pray Barack Obama gets saved and becomes a Christian. Finding a church is the least of his worries.
apacalyps on March 14, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Do you know who the “founding fathers” were? Do you even know how many?
Me thinks you threw out the words “founding fathers” without even realizing what they mean.
Are you confusing them with the framers?
What, you never thought about that?
Out of the 55 signers…52 were affiliated with a church.
Here is a quick breakdown, for you to put in your memory banks so you don’t continue to repeat this lie.
3 Roman Catholics
28 were Church of England (Episcopalian)
8 Presbyterians
7 Congregationalists
2 Lutherans
2 Dutch Reformed
2 were Methodists
Jefferson, Franklin were not included, a couple others may have been deists…but basically out of the 55, only a few were not conventional Christians.
Sorry to spoil your day…
right2bright on March 14, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Is he welcome? Can he take communion?…or is that just for the special Christians…
right2bright on March 14, 2009 at 3:24 PM
True, but you would think that he would at least back up what he claimed during a campaign…or do you believe that a campaigner can say anything and not be held accountable…
right2bright on March 14, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Come on now. That was in Denver and it was dismantled. Although I’m sure he still wants it to be used as the pattern for the Obama Monument.
econavenger on March 14, 2009 at 3:27 PM
I wouldn’t care so much if it weren’t for himself (sorry, Himself) and others portraying him (sorry, Him) as being such a righteous, religious soul.
Besides, only crackpots like Palin and Bush actually go to church.
How many Evangelicals and Roman Catholics voted for this guy?
ROTFLMAO!
Dr. ZhivBlago on March 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM
First of all, READ the Danbury Letters. You will see that Jefferson is actually talking about separation of the STATE of Connecticut, the Catholic STATE CHURCH of Connecticut and the Danbury Baptist Church Association, saying that the State and the State’s Church (which existed until 1836) could not discriminate against the Danbury Baptists.
The “Establishment Clause”, which truthfully does NOT exist in the Constitution, was created in Everson V Board of Education in 1947 where Protestants sued a New Jersey Board Of Education and the State of New Jersey for allowing Catholic School Students to ride public school busses.
Arch W. Everson openly admitted to being a member of the Anti-Catholic League and the suit was thinly disguised as a Constitutional issue.
Justice Hugo Black, who wrote the Decision in 1947, was an open and admitted member of both the Ku Klux Klax and the Anti-Catholic League. Black not only misquoted the Danbury letters, but used that quote out of context and mistakenly commented that Thomas Jefferson has been involved with the writing of the Constitution. Black also lied saying “”The ‘establishment of religion’ clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church” yet 10 of the original 13 States had State’s Churches up until 1837.
The First Amendment plainly states; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”, refering to CONGRESS and ONLY Congress as is stated in every other reference to Congress contained in the Constitution.
nelsonknows on March 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
If I were President, I would invite a priest to come in and say a private Traditional Latin Mass every Sunday and Holyday. I would be his altar server.
manwithblackhat on March 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM
+1
Fuquay Steve on March 14, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I think he’s trying to ascertain which church has the most gold just in case the economy gets worse.
Fuquay Steve on March 14, 2009 at 7:29 PM
well, we’ve found at least one who drinks the kool aide and is willing to rush off a cliff with the rest(ernesto).
Can you name most of the founding fathers who were deists? I’m willing to bet you’re just repeating something someone else told you.
Ben franklin, jefferson,….
TTheoLogan on March 14, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Triple play for Allah today - one headline on Sarah, a second headline on homeschooling (which predictably ‘evolved’ into a debate on creationism vs. science answers all questions everytime) and finally the ever-popular diests vs church affiliated founders discussion. The only thing that would make it better would be a headline about Joe the Plumber/Journalist.
Fuquay Steve on March 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Maybe BO doesn’t know what the true Christian gospel is, all he has heard in his life is the social liberal gospel and so therefore he has never heard of repentance and that Jesus is the only way to Heaven. Religion is not what gets you into heaven but only a personal relationship with the Lord does. I don’t think he heard that gospel in Wright’s church and has ignored it elsewhere because of his love of this world.
garydt on March 14, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I don’t want to be judgmental of BO as far as his religion or lack of it is concerned. But then again I don’t have to. God will judge him in the end, and there’s no escaping that.
miron on March 14, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Hopefully they do a better job vetting churches then they do vetting cabinet appointees.
vcferlita on March 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM
Reagan didn’t attend church and it became a huge issue in the campaigns in the news with Jesse Jackson leading the charge…It is more hypocrisy we will have to get over.
tomas on March 15, 2009 at 8:58 AM
+1
chunderroad on March 15, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Reverend Wright has a private service for him on Air Force one.
workingforpigs on March 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM
He’s still looking for the Wright church.
Maybe he’ll go to church when Louis Farrakhan marches on Washington.
Steve Z on March 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM
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