Gregg to Geithner: You’re lying
posted at 8:52 am on March 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
When Judd Gregg abruptly withdrew from his appointment as Commerce Secretary, I wrote that Barack Obama now faced the real risk of having created the most credible critic of his administration. That nightmare came true on the Hill yesterday when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner tried explaining Deadbeatonomics to the Senate Budget Committee. Gregg chewed Geithner to pieces with facts and figures, exposing Geithner and Obama’s economic policies as incompetent:
In a hearing before the Senate Budget Committee Gregg dressed down Geithner with facts, figures, and charts. While always keeping his cool, the exchange was somewhere between a mother’s scolding, a drill sergeant’s questioning and an attorney’s cross examination.
In his opening statement, Gregg politely called the administration’s budget forecast a lie.
“The argument that it cuts the debt in half in four years is, ahh, is truly spurious,” he told Geithner. …
“The argument that this budget doesn’t have tax increases [on everyone] is, I think, an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ view of the budget,” he said.
He challenged the budget’s math on cutting the debt: “When you take the deficit and quadruple it and then you cut it and half, that’s like taking four steps back and two steps forward. That’s not making any progress; you’re still going backwards.”
The Washington Times reports that both parties have started backing away from Deadbeatonomics, at least as laid out in Obama’s budgeting:
[Sen. Kent Conrad, D-ND] said he has been beset by senators on the floor of the chamber, and they have not been heaping praise on Obama’s budget plan. In fact, they are lodging threats.
“There are so many things in it where I have colleagues coming up to me and saying, ‘If this is in, I’m out,’ ” Conrad confessed. “And I’ve heard that on both sides.”
Conrad, who will be a chief architect of whatever compromise is crafted, has already made public his belief that the budget in its present form does not have enough support to pass the Senate, where it is difficult to stroll down any corridor without hearing either a Democratic or Republican declaring their firm opposition to one of its provisions.
In fact, the Times reports that cap-and-trade may be the first piece to get stripped out of the bill. As it has taken shape, its provisions have frightened Senators from both parties. Coal states and manufacturing states don’t want the industry-ending restrictions put in place, and other states don’t want to take home hefty energy price increases in the middle of a recession.
Clearly, Geithner and Obama have lost a lot of credibility on the Hill, and the honeymoon is over even for Democrats. Judd Gregg makes it a lot easier for Senators from both parties to fight Deadbeatonomics, since Obama himself selected Gregg for his “fiscal discipline” and his independent spirit. As the President’s man, Gregg has the best position for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes — and apparently no problem in doing so.










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Dow up four days in a row.
getalife on March 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Sure hope no charges are pending for the beating and victimization laid on Geithner.
heshtesh on March 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Obama is a narcissist. He’s fundamentally incapable of blaming himself for anything.
discojoe on March 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Dow up four days in a row.
getalife on March 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM
If you run maybe you can get to the front of the line and invest everything you own ,faith is a beautiful thing.
heshtesh on March 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Eeeekonomics
fogw on March 13, 2009 at 10:18 AM
I wonder if Timmy is using Quickbooks Home and Business, Premium or Pro over there at Treasury. It could explain why filling the open seats is not really required.
BobMbx on March 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM
I don’t disagree with you, but Obama is still riding the wave of the nonsense that 95% of taxpayers will be getting a tax cut. I realize that’s a lie. Nevertheless, the increased energy costs that will result from cap and trade won’t be viewed as a tax or regulation issue; it will be seen as a corporate greed issue–corporations “protecting” their profits.
Conservatives and their think thanks should really consider documenting how Obama’s policies canibalize an economy. These idiots have no idea how what he proposes undermines their standard of living.
BuckeyeSam on March 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM
She’s back!
Hey, be a good girl and go grab me a cup of coffee.
myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM
I say Judd Gregg is doin’ the Lord’s work of protecting the people. God bless him and God bless America.
May there be more men standing up like him.
rishika on March 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Whichever way we look at the Donkey logic, we still loose:
Increase deficit spending four times and then cut deficit in half – that is reduction in deficit
Propose an increase in budget by 8% but then pass an increase of 4% – that is cutting the budget
Taking good money and throwing it after bad – it is economic stimulus
Having banks finance mortgages without any firm guarantees of payback – it is sound business policy
Playing the race card when someone says something (specifically on the GOP side) – that is business as usual
What is yours is now mine and what is now mine is still mine – in Chinese calendar they are the years of the democRAT (2009 – 2012)
OneConservative on March 13, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Finally! Some leadership on Capitol Hill!
gryphon202 on March 13, 2009 at 10:32 AM
OneConservative on March 13, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Pretty good summation.
myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Greg did a great job. Pointing out the debt burden and the aggregate growth of government as a percent of GDP is a really solid message for the GOP. People want the economy addressed, but not a permanent increase in the size of government.
Also, yesterday Treasury lost the top banking lawyer in the country, who dropped out during the final stages of vetting. Not good for Timmy.
dedalus on March 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Judd Gregg for RNC Chair. At least Gregg has the common sense to attack someone in the opposing party. : ))
Angry Dumbo on March 13, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Obamanomics coming soon to a depression near you, get on board. What a mistake this guy is, he’s worse than Carter by about half.
jainphx on March 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM
The “soft bigotry of low expectations”?
onlineanalyst on March 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM
its all part of the dumbing down of our society.
kelley in virginia on March 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM
It’s still socialistic in nature only surrounded by Islam. Just a different mask on the same ugly beast…
karl9000 on March 13, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Obama says that does not matter.
Got a long way to go to make up for the over 20% loss in the market and big fat F your savior is getting from economist all over the world.
Where is that economic plan again?
Baxter Greene on March 13, 2009 at 11:00 AM
More like where socialism mugs capitalism, steals its clothes, and tries to pass itself off as “right wing.”
karl9000 on March 13, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Accoridng to getalife, the stock market only matters when its up.
A phallacy…
karl9000 on March 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Exactly right. If he gets cap and trade passed and the cost of energy goes through the roof as a result, that’s when the bulk of the electorate will begin to scream blue bloody murder. No wonder the blue dogs in congress are beginning to bark about the cap and trade provisions in Obama’s budget, They can see the writing on the wall and what cap and trade will mean to their re election hopes.
Dreadnought223 on March 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Didn’t the budget already pass?
Plenty of people in Congress are happy to take a stand against the TARP, the Stimulus, the Budget, and so on… but only after they pass, it seems.
joe_doufu on March 13, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Incorrect. It is down again today.
Vashta.Nerada on March 13, 2009 at 11:09 AM
No that was the omnibus spending bill (Part of last years budget) that was passed. Obama’s firs budget is yet to be passed.
Dreadnought223 on March 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM
The largest drop EVAH in the stock market after Soetoro-Obama’s election Nov. 4th, 2008 makes this ALL the OBAMA ECONOMY.
He doing exactly what he said: “I think people do better when you spread the wealth around.”
He’s spreading and the market is tanking just like he wanted.
Embrace your socialist failure moonbats….EMBRACE.
ex-Democrat on March 13, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Heaven knows politicians are nothing if not practical.
If they perceive that *their* financial/power realm is threatened by constituents they will – by default – do whats right for citizens and our country.
*&%*$#$@*
kooziegirl on March 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM
It’s a sucker’s rally. You were warned.
chunderroad on March 13, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Geez I hope Gregg was on mission during his soiree into the Obama administration.
Speakup on March 13, 2009 at 11:28 AM
I stand corrected. :)
chunderroad on March 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Please… Can’t we all just get along. There is no reason to be constantly pointing out the current administrations short comings. Everything from Teleprompter Boy to Stock Market Idiot
Savant… This is just not helping.-
Rush is the real problem and some folks just will not except that. This must change.
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Thank you.-
/sarc
RalphyBoy on March 13, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Tiny Tim can’t think with all those phones ringing.
evensteven on March 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM
If you haven’t seen the movie Idiocracy, I recommend it.
I think you are correct in your assessment.
MarkABinVA on March 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM
You’re wrong. It’s down.
chunderroad on March 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I saw a good part of this takedown on Fox yesterday. Geithner didn’t look like a dear in the headlights when Gregg got done, he looked like road kill and started doing this big old toothy smile.
It was almost creepy. How long before he cracks and steps down?
And memo to getalife, the dow is down this morning.
Knucklehead on March 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I need coffee, because I thought this was another thread given how getalife says the same thing on every thread.
chunderroad on March 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Dare I get optimistic about cap and trade and perhaps even nationalizing health care failing to get passed?
Yakko77 on March 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Dow up four days in a row.
getalife on March 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Better look again sweetie.
heshtesh on March 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM
And… Why did the division VP swing by my desk 15 mins. after I submitted an employee stock plan ‘cancel purchase’ request?
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Coincidence? Perhaps, but not likely.
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I think he just wanted to see if I’d flinch, or would volunteer something revealing as to why. Nah… Not to him, but to my fellow cubical dwellers… Whispers of truth and rumors of leaving the Obama servitude to them.
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“I’m preparing for the worst… how about you?”
Just another way of saying, have a nice day to an Obamite.
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RalphyBoy on March 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Everybody line up for swing with the Cluebat……
the markets are nicely stable though (give or take a few hundred…LMAO)
Fighton03 on March 13, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Will the wheels of the bus go thump, thump over young Timmy Geithner? It’s starting to look like it is only a matter of time, but what bonehead will be next?
joedoe on March 13, 2009 at 11:56 AM
If the Market had a bit of a rise this week, they may just be anticipating Geithner’s pink slip.
RBMN on March 13, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Yep, just as Obama is being forced to back down/off.
misslizzi on March 13, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Can the bonehead busdriver end up under his own bus?
misslizzi on March 13, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Grab a cup for me as well. Now run along, youngster.
Claypigeon on March 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Yes! Because 2 banks reported profits so far this year! How did those banks have profit? They got billions from the tax payers! How are those banks going to do in the next few months with no cash infusion from the government? Same as they were before the infusion.
With rising unemployment and companies already running for more hospitable nations, how do you think the mortgage business is going to go over the next few months . . . ?
PastorJon on March 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Ues. We just have to ask him to get out and check the tire pressure.
myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Not that I’m celebrating this, but quote as of 12:40 Eastern time:
Dow 7,126.17 -43.89 (-0.61%)
NASDAQ 1,412.2 -13.90 (-0.97%)
S&P 744.99 -5.75 (-0.77%)
Y-not on March 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM
The longer those seats remain empty, the more we can fantasize about shrinking the size of Gov’t.
It feels good.
CLaFarge on March 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Give Obama a break, he’s just starting out at this job and it’s understandable he’d make a mistake or two.
But no problem. Lesson learned: you can bet your ass that Barak Obama will never try to appoint an honest person to any position again as long as he lives.
logis on March 13, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Donkey logic for the market:
DOW sinks 300 and climbs back up 150 – the DOW is up 150.
OneConservative on March 13, 2009 at 12:54 PM
From what I am seeing and hearing I think Card Check, The Fairness doctrine and most probably Cap and Trade will all end up being dropped. However it is health care reform that I believe Obama and the Democrats will pull out all of the stops to try and push through, especially if Ted Kennedy kicks the bucket sometime in the immediate future.
In all reality I suspect that they have just been using the threat of implementing the Fairness doctrine and passing Card check so that they can trade them off for support on health care reform latter on.
Dreadnought223 on March 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Hey, he said he isn’t going to run for office again… good thought.
PrincipledPilgrim on March 13, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Of course we can’t. Gregg is competent, intelligent, and principled. With Republican nominees we only get to choose one of the three.
hicsuget on March 13, 2009 at 1:22 PM
This is what Conservatives were saying from the beginning of Obama’s campaign, and what liberals were really hoping to see (“Oh his beautiful pectorals!”)
Christian Conservative on March 13, 2009 at 1:34 PM
I don’t know if it was mentioned, but Gregg also hit on health care:
Judd Gregg To Geithner: Your Health Care Investment Will Explode The Budget
There’s a brief video at the site.
INC on March 13, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Very good question. Remember……
I love this quote! It cracks my ass up!
74SeventeenSeventySix on March 13, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Dow up four days in a row.
getalife on March 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM
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why are you following the day to day gyrations of the market when dear leader does not?
jcrue on March 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM
I’m not enjoying it any more. This is moving from farce well into tragedy. It would still be fun if it weren’t so serious.
Mason on March 13, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I think that Gregg is an outstanding senator (of course at the moment it doesn’t take much to be outstanding in that body). However, it doesn’t take Gregg to point out all the total stupidity in that budget. All it takes is to have listened in Econ 101.
duff65 on March 13, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Maybe you should wait until the markets have been open a little more than 2 hours, jackass…
Wall Street Mainly Flat as 3-day Rally Fizzles
Sorry to, ahem, “Burst your Bubble”.
SuperCool on March 13, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Except in this video;
Gregg = Palin
Geithner = the turkey
Susanboo on March 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM
FIFY
fossten on March 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM
When will the full out assault of Gregg commence?
joedoe on March 13, 2009 at 5:24 PM
As if that means much.
All bear markets have their embedded mini-rallies. Rallies in major bear markets are a golden opportunity to extract dollars from the market.
I’d say that the above piece of free advice was a word to the wise, but that would mean considering “getalife” to be “wise” which is obviously laughable.
Edouard on March 13, 2009 at 5:46 PM
So the Dow up?
When you throw a cat out of an airplane, it stops falling when it hits ground. They call what happens next a “dead cat bounce”.
Most people avoid the bouncing cat, but some folks want a cat at a good price, so they buy it. Any dead cat investors out there?
petefrt on March 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM
“Don’t Tax Me Bro”
LMAO!!!
sabbott on March 13, 2009 at 5:57 PM
As Obama loses his power to get his way with the economy, the stock market begins to slowly recover.
If Obama were completely gone, just imagine how much the stock market might improve….
Thanks, getalife. You’re being quite helpful today.
tom on March 13, 2009 at 6:21 PM
The video of Judd Gregg is here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDS697DhCf8
Dasher on March 13, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Obama’s been keeping his mouth quiet, eh?
malclave on March 13, 2009 at 6:24 PM
I just watched a video of Obama “talking up” the economy today. Next time, maybe he could act like he actually believes it.
Or even wants it..
karl9000 on March 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Dow up four days in a row.
getalife on March 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM
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Wow, what a moron.
Spiritk9 on March 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM
When the first choice tells the consolation selection that he is lying, who do you think is being truthful? Since Obama chose Biden, who is a compulsive liar, to be #2 in the chain of command for the presidency, it shows his total disregard for the truth.
volsense on March 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Timmy, meet “under the bus”.
darwin-t on March 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Thank heaven’s someone said the obvious. That was the goofiest justification explanation I’ve ever heard.
We’re reducing the deficit, indeed.
AnninCA on March 13, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I predict Obama’s statements today will cause the rally to end. LOL*
It just is working that way. He should shut up.
AnninCA on March 13, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Yeah in the negative direction.
FontanaConservative on March 13, 2009 at 9:09 PM
For some reason, this kerfluffle made me think of this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85KESSaURtE
platypus on March 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM
platypus on March 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Thats hilarious.
FontanaConservative on March 13, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Glad I could give some humor in an otherwise dismal reality.
Back in the day, I used to wear lots of buttons on my jacket. One of my favorites was, “Relax – keep telling yourself it’s only a movie.”
platypus on March 13, 2009 at 9:44 PM
What? The Democrats are now the party of “NO” also? What’s going on here? Don’t they believe in Hope and Change?
HondaV65 on March 13, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Not when it’s their “change” that’s getting “
hopedhyped.”platypus on March 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
In addition to encouraging profit reports, investors are probably optimistic that Obama can be thwarted, and idiotic ideas like carbon taxes can be disposed of forthwith. If we can stop Card Check, and get some nice stimulating tax cuts through, there is hope for a recovery, although for it to have any legs, the stimulus plan will have to be slashed and burned when we take back Congress in 2010.
BTW, since you’ve been enthusiastically promoting investments in green energy, I hope you didn’t invest in Al Gore’s carbon trading business. It would be a sham, er, shame if you did.
Buy Danish on March 13, 2009 at 11:02 PM
platypus on March 13, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Humor is probably the best break we can give ourselves in these times.
Speaking of buttons. My dad goes on Facebook a lot. He found this one button (flare as it is called on FB) that had a picture of the handicap stick figure (the one you see on blue handicap signs in parking lots) with him out of his wheel chair and a sign above saying “Oh crap man down!”. I can’t find a picture but it was funny.
FontanaConservative on March 13, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Grrrrreat! Now my brokerage account is only down 55% instead of 56%.
jrab01 on March 13, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Sen. Judd Gregg is my HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TN Mom on March 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
better start short selling NOW
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on March 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM
If you went into any middle school classroom in America and asked the kids to put together a fantasy budget you would get a better package than this administration offered us.
FireBlogger on March 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM
OIL runs our economy. With Da Bama killing any chance of more drilling he has killed off any real chance of allowing the economy to improve.
$7.00 a gallon gas in 5, …
DannoJyd on March 14, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Geitner weaseled out of answering questions from Senator Crapo too:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31065
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 14, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Of course Geitner is lying…Geitner is a democrat…democrats lie…it’s what they do!
nelsonknows on March 14, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Dow up four days in a row.
getalife
yep! It was up 4 whole points on Tuesday!
2 TRILLION dollar stim package and we get 4 WHOLE points!
At this rate how much will it cost to get the 3000 points lost since Obama was elected?
Opps correction, got 4 points so we just need 2996 more!
DSchoen on March 14, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Gregg +1
Mojave Mark on March 14, 2009 at 11:43 PM
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