California budget gap $8 billion more than expected
posted at 5:05 pm on March 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Remember when Abel Maldonado signed onto the Schwarzenegger-Democratic plan to hike taxes because it was the only way to close the budget shortfall in California? Well, don’t look now, but the entire plan turned out to be based on a faulty premise. The state’s legislative analyst says revenues will fall far short of even those expectations, and that the legislature still spent $8 billion more than it will get:
The California Legislature’s budget analyst says the recession has created another $8 billion hole in the state’s budget just weeks after the end of a bruising fight to close a $42 billion gap through June 2010.
Legislative Analyst Mac Taylor says in the report released Friday that California’s 10.1 percent unemployment rate, further declines in the stock market and lower tax collections have led to lower revenue projections. He expects the new $8 billion budget gap in the fiscal year that begins July 1.
Maybe it’s time to hire a new legislative analyst. After all, California’s budget problem springs from a legislature incapable of living within its means. Their solution has always been to penalize someone else, usually the taxpayers. Getting rid of the analyst makes perfect sense for their nonsensical approach to fiscal discipline.
What will the state do? Arnold will start talking about how Californians have to sacrifice more by giving more of their money to Sacramento. Republicans will try to remain united in an effort to get the legislature to scale back its massive budget. Democrats will call Republicans heartless and unreasonable, and Arnold will find any media outlet he can to agree with them. Eventually, they’ll peel Maldonado off again, and raise taxes.
And then the economy will slow down even more, and the legislative analyst will report that revenues have decreased even further, and Arnold will start talking about how Californians have to sacrifice more by giving more of their money to Sacramento. Republicans will try to remain united in an effort to get the legislature to scale back its massive budget. Democrats will call Republicans heartless and unreasonable, and Arnold will find any media outlet he can to agree with them. Eventually, they’ll peel Maldonado off again, and raise taxes.
And then the economy will slow down even more, and the legislative analyst will report that revenues have decreased even further, and Arnold will start talking about how Californians have to sacrifice more by giving more of their money to Sacramento. Republicans will try to remain united in an effort to get the legislature to scale back its massive budget. Democrats will call Republicans heartless and unreasonable, and Arnold will find any media outlet he can to agree with them. Eventually, they’ll peel Maldonado off again, and raise taxes.
And then the economy will slow down even more, and the legislative analyst will report that revenues have decreased even further, and Arnold will start talking about how Californians have to sacrifice more by giving more of their money to Sacramento. Republicans will try to remain united in an effort to get the legislature to scale back its massive budget. Democrats will call Republicans heartless and unreasonable, and Arnold will find any media outlet he can to agree with them. Eventually, they’ll peel Maldonado off again, and raise taxes.
(Californians who get the picture, meanwhile, will be leaving.)
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As California goes, so does the rest of the country.
Oy. We’re screwed.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 13, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Finally some growth , oh wait..
the_nile on March 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Holy font size on that second quote, batman.
lorien1973 on March 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM
“Democrat Economics in action” with Arnie as George W. Bush…
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM
And then voting for people who’ll do the exact same thing to their new state. Retards stay home, please.
lorien1973 on March 13, 2009 at 5:09 PM
You made your bed, now lie in it. You want to support another country’s welfare class, pay for it. But, I don’t want to.
BTW, I heart Glenn Beck.
HornetSting on March 13, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Oh good God … Now I’m depressed Ed.
Anyone need an HR Geek in Texas, Arizona, or perhaps South Carolina? :P
TheUnrepentantGeek on March 13, 2009 at 5:09 PM
A good way to fix this problem would be to just do a 100% income tax on everyone, you know, just for a year or two.
And triple the car tax.
myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Heads on a stick!
Mark1971 on March 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Triple the illegal alien tax.
HornetSting on March 13, 2009 at 5:12 PM
If you’re on the hook for $8 billion extra dollars after a bad month, just mayyyyybe you’re spending too much, eh?
Lorien, I think your comments and Ed’s may both be correct. Which is really sad, because people run from the government that they asked for, instead of asking for something smarter.
hawksruleva on March 13, 2009 at 5:12 PM
It is the California Department of Revenue’s official font. It is called “Enron Beelzebub.”
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RJGatorEsq. on March 13, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I agree we’re screwed, but I don’t think we go as California does. California is it’s own freak of nature planet- I just hope Princess Pelosi is at home when it finally implodes.
anniekc on March 13, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Anyone know the cost of providing illegals schools, police and healthcare? Anyone know what illegals cost police/courts in terms of crimes committed? Kaleefonia is what the USA would look like if the libs had their way. Jeez.
marklmail on March 13, 2009 at 5:15 PM
That would be racist. And besides, as every Mexican knows, it’s their country too.
myrenovations on March 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Well that would involve confronting some icky feelings of “pragmatic realism” with regards to spending…
what the moonbats are are pacifist huns…
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I remember a number of SEVEN billion for schooling illegal alien children, mostly because of the English as a SECOND language education.
HornetSting on March 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM
The California ex-pats move into their new towns and vote in the same type of people because, in the back of their minds, they always think that the underlying principles are sound and that it’s just the implementation that went haywire.
JadeNYU on March 13, 2009 at 5:17 PM
The sane ones (relative term when it comes to Californians) left long ago.
I’m just waiting for the AIG argument to be put forth on behalf of the state- California is too big to fail. And, it is going to work. The filthy liar and his corrupt party cannot afford to anger this very electoral-vote rich collection of perverts, deviants, and liberals.
highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Oh, aren’t you a smart one.
HornetSting on March 13, 2009 at 5:17 PM
When 20% of the nations GNP sinks, we all see the effect/affect.
Time for them to start thinking about a man who is not exciting…but effective.
Tom McClintock
Could there be a better governor for a state, let alone California?…the answer is NO!
right2bright on March 13, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Yep, this is why places like Colorado, Nevada, and Arizona are now all getting more expensive to live in and at the same time becoming places that nobody wants to go to anymore.
MobileVideoEngineer on March 13, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Remember those Dust Bowl pictures where towns erected signs telling the Okies to keep moving? If I were a town on any of the main immigration paths for the Southern California Moonbat, I would put up the same sort of sign telling them to keep on moving until they reach the liberal haven of the upper Northeast or Dade County Florida.
highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 5:19 PM
I already did thank you, five years ago…best move I ever made.
right2bright on March 13, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Yahoooooo!!!!! Hey Sacramento, let’s SPEND SOME MORE FUCKING MONEY WE DON’T HAVE!!!!!!
AND THEN, we’ll fuck with businesses even more by coming up with the most restrictive environmental laws we can dream up, whether they make sense or not.
GREAT IDEA! Let’s raise the freakin’ income tax, car tax and sales taxes!
HEY ARNIE! You can kiss off running for US Senate. Dumbshit!
GarandFan on March 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I like to think of it as us leading the nation.
Over a cliff, but still leading the nation.
irishspy on March 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Fire the Legislative Analyst for not getting that information out to the public in a timely manner.
Apologetic California on March 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Ed, you could have gone two more times with the copy, paste, and reduce the fone size 1 point; my eyes were doing fine.
WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM
she and Harry-El have sent their only son Barack-El to DC to help the mere mortals…
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Oregon, Washington, or Arizona?
Back when I first was in the Navy, I was going through training in San Diego. Somebody told me that if I ever left the state, I would miss it and want to come back. 20 years and two tours in the state later and I’m still waiting for that pining for oppressive taxation, liberalism rum amok, and a low quality of life.
highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 5:24 PM
and that’s what is important….
‘leadership’
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Can we set up some type of imigration procedure where other states can check the primary voting records of Kalifornians wishing to leave? Those that have taken GOP ballots the last three elections can immigrate. Those taken Democratic ballots need to wallow in the misery that is Kalifornian.
Please do not mention the proposed 50% income tax increase in my home state of Illinois.
WashJeff on March 13, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Think bigger. When the “big one” happens, I’m hoping that the DNC is holding their nominating convention, the ACLU is holding their annual meeting, there is a massive GLBT protest, and The View is doing remotes.
highhopes on March 13, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I’m out in Santa Monica and coworkers are constantly talking about where they’d move to when it gets too bad. Those of us from the mountain west and midwest stay nice and quiet about our home towns so that no one says, “Hey, the pay vs. cost of living in Kansas City is phenomenal. Let’s move there!”
JadeNYU on March 13, 2009 at 5:28 PM
To you and others saying similar things, most of us leaving are conservative business owners that can’t make it here. I am leaving at the end of the month and I am by no means a liberal retard. I voted against all the stupid bond spending that got us into trouble in the first.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 5:30 PM
$8 billion??
Or as Obama calls it: “Walkin’ ’round money.”
viking01 on March 13, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Dream a little dream….
HornetSting on March 13, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Maybe an economic literacy test on your way to the new states then?
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 5:31 PM
I don’t think those unemployment numbers take into account what’s happening within the schools districts either (at least on the Central Coast of CA). The local district has to shave 9.5 million dollars off next years budget. Teachers were given their pink slips yesterday, so they will be joinin the ranks of the unemployed. To get an idea of how bad it’s going to be – my friend works at one of the elementary schools. They employ 23 credentialed teachers…13 of them received their pinks yesterday. I’d leave in a heartbeat, if I could sell my house :(
ProudPatriot on March 13, 2009 at 5:32 PM
I have my own construction business here in Alabama, and over the last few years I’ve seen many Californins move here. And when the start ther construction businesses here the first people they employ are illeagle mexicans. Go figgure!
Alex Martinez on March 13, 2009 at 5:32 PM
I tend to vote against bond measures as a matter of principle … but then I’m not INSANE.
TheUnrepentantGeek on March 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Given the rate at which home values are falling in California. What’s happening to property tax revenues for towns and counties?
I suspect that it is not just the state government thats running out of money in California.
MarkTheGreat on March 13, 2009 at 5:34 PM
that soft spot in their heart for Juan Javier Hernandez has spread to their heads…
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I’m just happy that California was forward thinking and instituted their industry-killing greenhouse gas regulations (under the guise of “pollution … LOL) in order to harm the rest of the US before they fall down the chasm. That’s California .. always thinking of [f#cking over] others in pursuit of their liberal idiocy.
progressoverpeace on March 13, 2009 at 5:35 PM
The only suprise is how soon this news hit. This is what happens when you let Dems loose. Imagine if Prop 13 never passed. Thanks mom and dad for voting for 13!
oddjob1138 on March 13, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I took my honeymoon in this state and drove the Pacific coast Hwy from SF to SD and saw some of the most beautiful and astounding things i’ve ever seen. So I hate saying this, but can we just give this flaming POS back to Mexico?
gsherin on March 13, 2009 at 5:37 PM
The font size is appropriate, as it becomes a case of diminishing returns.
At least, at this rate, their traffic problems with rapidly improved. No one left to clog the roads.
michaelo on March 13, 2009 at 5:37 PM
I still prefer California to Illinois where I grew up….although the tax raises on the near horizon are very depressing.
At least I live in Orange County so I’m not completely surrounded by the nutroots.
Ditkaca on March 13, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Consider North Carolina, we need the help.
Les in NC on March 13, 2009 at 5:38 PM
You forgot the obvious Mark Twain quote to go along with that…but, I repeat myself. =)
Kelligan on March 13, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Nope, shove out the moonbats by luring them into an ‘open borders parade’ into Tijuana. Two birds with one stone.
HornetSting on March 13, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Momma retires in two years and we’re GETTING THE HELL OUT!
Just have to make sure I remove my Calif license plates BEFORE I cross the border into Arizona. Not sure the faded McCain bumper sticker will help.
My son lives there and complains daily about all the liberal Kaleefornia idiots bringing in stupid ideas with them.
GarandFan on March 13, 2009 at 5:40 PM
goat on March 13, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Consider North Carolina, we need the help.
Les in NC on March 13, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I believe he’ll come back to Alabama too.
Alex Martinez on March 13, 2009 at 5:41 PM
You know why Californians are not up-in-arms? It’s 72 outside.
Apologetic California on March 13, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Dear Fleeing Californians:
If you are conservative, Texas welcomes you.
If not, I hear that Arizona is really nice.
carbon_footprint on March 13, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Maybe an economic literacy test on your way to the new states then?
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 5:31 PM
I am not a native Californian I am from the South East and I’m going back to my native Heart of Dixie. I have only been out here for 11-12 years.
Les,
goat on March 13, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Hey Alex, I’ll be there in early April.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 5:46 PM
“So I hate saying this, but can we just give this flaming POS back to Mexico?”
Have you seen east LA? The Mexicans wouldn’t take it!
GarandFan on March 13, 2009 at 5:47 PM
I am not a native Californian I am from the South East and I’m going back to my native Heart of Dixie. I have only been out here for 11-12 years.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Well you know goat you’ll still get that Ya ain’t from arround here are ya, talkin too!
Alex Martinez on March 13, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Indeed parts of East and South Central LA reminded me of Tijuana.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 5:50 PM
carbon_footprint on March 13, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Yup. If you are liberal and have to move to Texas, though, you might try Laredo. I’ve heard it’s very nice this time of year…/
theotherKate on March 13, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Alex Martinez on March 13, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Nah, I still have my southern accent.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Oh folks … you don’t even know how deep this rabbit hole goes. The stupid doesn’t stop at excess spending. Oh no. It’s money spent incredibly poorly.
Observe garbage like the following:
1. State departments can hire people based on the number of positions they have open (dictated by their budgets and control entities). Only if a position is left open for more than 6 months, the department loses the position (and accompanying funding) to the general fund. BUT, there exists a mechanism where you can change people’s position numbers in the state’s (incredibly outdated) position control system so that it looks like all the positions are open for less than 6 months. This makes for a full time JOB for several people in most departments. A big old shell game that wastes time, money, and resources – all because of stupid, unthinking policy.
2. When a department doesn’t spend their budget, they’re not rewarded for being frugal. Oh no. The money gets taken back to the general fund to be spent by people who aren’t. If departments had an incentive to watch their money, we might not be in this mess right now. We could save it, invest it, give it back to the taxpayers … ANYTHING but piss it away on overpriced furniture that we’re REQUIRED to buy from the Prison Industry when the same thing would cost 1/10th as much at fricken’ Office Depot.
3. The state’s hiring process is awful. It’s arcane, unnecessarily complicated, and often completely empty of validity – the tests for employment often don’t test someone’s ability to do the job at all. So the picks for staffing are dang near arbitrary (or worse) and we can’t FIRE anyone because A) it takes forever B) it’s a ton of work and C) you get sued and your own bloody department doesn’t support you. Oh, some managers try to set some reasonable standard of performance, but they get hit with charges of racism or sexism or harassment (which must ALWAYS be investigated) which slows down the process. Then they have to pay for their own attorney until they actually go to court – or do without during arbitration, which will almost certainly screw them over.
4. When state government needs to do layoffs, who do they axe first? The incompetents and troublemakers right? OH NO. They go after those with the least bloody seniority. Which makes all sorts of sense doesn’t it? I mean, nothing says performance like butt in seat time RIGHT? Who needs fresh new talent when we’ve got people with their arses fused to the seats?!?
This is but the tiniest taste. I could go on.
In fairness, there are plenty of good, smart people working in state government. Unfortunately they’re seldom listened to. Instead, our corruptocrat legislature eff’s around (and retains full benefits, pay increases, and per diem while state employees get furloughed, might I add) and spends money on things we don’t need.
It’s enough to drive you insane, sane again, and back to crazy at least once a fortnight.
TheUnrepentantGeek on March 13, 2009 at 5:52 PM
My husband and I started making plans about four years ago to leave California and we left last June. The house we sold has now dropped in value about $65,000. We could no longer stand the politics and had looked at someplace else to live with retirement looming. We are not the nuts from Ca. moving to Texas, believe me we don’t want to change this place. People here have welcomed us warmly, people here are not afraid to be themselves and voice their opinions without fear of “offending” someone. It is so refreshing!!
Cheryl from Texas on March 13, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Nah, I still have my southern accent.
lol
Alex Martinez on March 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM
It’s going to get a lot worse because tax revenue will drop as people loses jobs and businesses go belly up or move. But, they will not stop spending.
I listen to some of the local npr type shows. They are always salivating over the idea of getting rid of Prop 13 which prevents people from being taxed out of their homes.
There are too many state government workers. Because they never take it in shorts job or tax wise, they keep voting for the spending whores. But that is the point of over bloated government- to vote for you.
The teachers are whining about pink slips. Well, too bad. Your union blows millions on crap that has nothing to do with teaching or teachers.
Blake on March 13, 2009 at 5:54 PM
You can take the man out of the South, but you can’t take the South out of a man.
thomasaur on March 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Only 8 Billion? Sheeeite Batman, that’s chump change in Barry’s world! Write em’ a check from the Federal “petty cash” account and let’s move on to important matters like Killing Babies!!!
sabbott on March 13, 2009 at 5:56 PM
You do know that Miami is the most Republican/Conservative area in South Florida, right? It has three GOP congressmen/woman. Broward and Palm Beach are the real liberal counties.
IR-MN on March 13, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I’m already packing my bags.
The Ugly American on March 13, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Ain’t it the truth, I never lost my Southern values and frankly found native Californians to be a rather strange lot not all of them but most of them.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 6:03 PM
I think its VERY IMPORTANT to note that this is the typical behavior for the locusts…err, I mean Democrats…to destroy the city/county/state in which they live and then to migrate to another (prosperous and successful) state where they can begin again to dismantle the economy and society by voting in their idiotic leaders to school boards (to indoctrinate the kids with non-competitive, PC, anti-Christian, bullcaca), tax successful businesses and ruin any corporation involved in providing energy to the state.
Watch and learn, the Californians will soon abandon their state in hoards and descend on a functional state near you!
Geministorm on March 13, 2009 at 6:03 PM
As a Californian who owns property in Arizona I can tell you that as California goes, the rest of the country does not. The rest of the country benefits when productive, above-average income families exit CA for better conditions in other states.
InterestedObserver on March 13, 2009 at 6:03 PM
I wonder if the conservatives stuck in the blue states gather that they will be doing the movement a favor if they keep the red, red in Census 2010???
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Same here.
The “Hey, let’s be friends but we’ll only meet up three times a year cause you live in the valley” mentality really grates on my nerves.
I miss North Carolina.
The Ugly American on March 13, 2009 at 6:08 PM
While true that most Cubans are Conservative (there were many signs around here from ex-pats warning of the kind of hope and change that Cuba got in ’59), but SURELY you are not speaking of Mel Martinez?!? Martinez is a disgrace to the conservative movement, not to mention that he was leading the charge on Amnesty for illegals…he is the primary reason I quit the GOP and decided to vote and support for individuals only. I will vote for Lizard People before I put a check next to Martinez’s name, that bastard!
/grrr
Geministorm on March 13, 2009 at 6:08 PM
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 6:04 PM
I know I will certainly be able to tell swing voters in Alabama why they don’t need to be following California’s lead on destructive policies.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Hey, all of you Californians who feel like fleeing the state for greener pastures…Florida is a wonderful, wonderful warm place with low taxes and great people. South Carolina is a conservative paradise. You’d fit in there great.
Washington State, on the other hand, sucks. You’ve heard about the rain? You don’t know the half of it. The taxes are high, the traffic is terrible and….uh, it’s cold, really, really cold.
Ted Bundy is a product of Tacoma. You wouldn’t want your kids growing up to be like Ted Bundy, would you?
29Victor on March 13, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Ain’t it the truth, I never lost my Southern values and frankly found native Californians to be a rather strange lot not all of them but most of them.
Funny thing is for me too, while I was born in San Fernando Calif. I was raised in Alabama by my Grandparents from the age of 2. And I got Alabama in my blood!
Alex Martinez on March 13, 2009 at 6:15 PM
That seals it. My business is closed within three months. Had to let two go when the last budget passed. Now the other five will get a notice on Monday.
And by the way there is a state wide campaign to stop the budget cuts by wearing pink today. No you can’t make this shit up.
jukin on March 13, 2009 at 6:16 PM
When my household budget is pinched I have to cut back on spending. When a private business runs short on working capital they have to become more efficient and cut back on spending. When government spends more than they have in revenue they cut ….. sorry they spend more and hope things work out. If only I could spend more to bring me out of a tight situation. When will they ever learn? When will we ever learn not to return these jerks to congress (state or federal) to deal with our money with fiduciary responsibility?
Pardonme on March 13, 2009 at 6:18 PM
And the beat goes on.
Speakup on March 13, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Yeah, it’s called cancer. And I’ve lived in CA for all my 40 + years.
The projections are never correct, because it’s more important to have a crisis to manage. And if there isn’t a genuine crisis, then it’s required that you manufacture one. Like the headline the in SacBee the other day about how rising oceans will soon cost the state over $1 Billion.
Cry Havoc.
juanito on March 13, 2009 at 6:22 PM
………. and just what Political party has been in the majority for the past forty years or so?
Democrats!
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Its not just the legislature, the people keep voting for expensive insane bond measures via the ballot initiative. There were at least three of them that passed in Nov. even with the budget problems well known.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 6:33 PM
I say Orange, San Bernadino, Riverside, San Diego and Imperial counties form their own state
WHO’S WITH ME????
Defector01 on March 13, 2009 at 6:34 PM
Can you let in El Dorado too? If so, we’re golden!
juanito on March 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Clever, Ed.
Along the same lines, I have to laugh whenever I see that commercial depicting California as a golden land of opportunity and jobs, with the Governator asking “When can you start?”
Sheer audacity and chutzpah on that level ought to be bottled up and sold. Even used car salesmen would blush.
Hawkins1701 on March 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM
First generation builds, second enjoys, third destroys.
MB4 on March 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Defector01 on March 13, 2009 at 6:34 PM
juanito on March 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM
I saw something about splitting off the coastal counties from Marin to LA, the rest of the state is pretty conservative. All the liberals are on the coast.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I agree. Californians considering moving to Washington should be aware that while it only rains in Washington for 9 months of the year, the other 3 months are freezing cold. Florida is much, much nicer.
pedestrian on March 13, 2009 at 6:40 PM
in a healthy world the fourth rebuilds, in an average one the fourth wails the fifth rebuilds….in Palestinia the fifteenth wails…
sven10077 on March 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM
MB4 on March 13, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Yeah……….. like Prop. 187.
If you add up the costs for illegal immigration in the State in the prisons, HUD housing, welfare, hospitals, schools including college, etc, etc, it adds up to Billions, just about the amount we are over budget.
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Nope, they’re already here in Colorado; just enough to push the Boulder crowd into a majority.
And they haven’t learned any lessons from California. Securing that border might be as (or more) useful than the Mexican border.
gekkobear on March 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM
10-12 billion a year last I saw while they only contribute 1-2 billion.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM
What you mean imperialist gringo? It is our country! We just tolerate you. You stole it from us! Once we suck it dry you can have it back though. Then we will move on to Texas which you stole from us too. How you gringos say? Rinse and repeat?
NoBordersJose on March 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM
……….. and on another point.
The majority of the expensive insane bond measures are always pushed by the teachers or government unions (DEMOCRATS). I can not remember in the past twenty years of a single election where the teacher’s union didn’t sponser a bill asking for more money…………..
…………. and they get it, and our schools are turned into ever efficient marxist/socialist, America hating, Democrat voting training camps.
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Yeah I know, it seems every ballot since I’ve had my house there’s another initiative to raise property taxes by 30-40$ a year to improve schools.
goat on March 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM
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