The Galts went over the mountains …

posted at 12:55 pm on March 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The phrase “going Galt” has suddenly become very popular, and according to Reuters, very apropos.  American energy companies with the wherewithal have started transferring their businesses to places like Switzerland, where they can shield themselves from Barack Obama’s onerous tax policies for the next few years.  Congress and the Obama administration will try to cut off this retreat route, but may not have much success:

The tidy towns and mountain vistas of Switzerland are an unlikely setting for an oil boom.

Yet a wave of energy companies has in the last few months announced plans to move to Switzerland — mainly for its appeal as a low-tax corporate domicile that looks relatively likely to stay out of reach of Barack Obama’s tax-seeking administration.

In a country with scant crude oil production of its own, the virtual energy boom has changed the canton or state of Zug, about 30 minutes’ drive from Zurich, beyond all recognition. Its economy was based on farming until it slashed tax rates to attract commerce after World War Two. …

Over the past six months companies including offshore drilling contractors Noble Corp and Transocean, energy-focused engineering group Foster Wheeler and oilfield services company Weatherfield International have all announced plans to shift domicile to Switzerland.

“Switzerland has a stable and developed tax regime and a network of tax treaties with most countries where we operate,” Transocean Chief Executive Bob Long said in a statement in October, when it announced its move. “As a result, the redomestication will improve our ability to maintain a competitive worldwide effective corporate tax rate.”

Companies have relocated businesses offshore in the Bahamas and Cayman Islands for decades, but the US government has pressured both to change its tax policies to curtail it.  That will not likely work with Switzerland, because as Reuters notes, the Swiss have a lot more political clout on the world stage than either of these two have.  The US can rattle its sabers over tax policy, but the Swiss hold more cards in Zurich and Geneva.

We can expect the usual demonization to follow, of course.  John Kerry tried this with his “Benedict Arnold CEOs” line during his unsuccessful run at the presidency in 2004, but Kerry had it backwards then and Obama has it backwards now.  Businesses exist to return profit to their shareholders, and they will structure the business to maximize that return within the limits of the law.  If the US wants to attract businesses rather than repel them, then it needs to make itself an attractive place for businesses to operate.  Calling them names and saddling them with heavy tax burdens won’t keep productive capital in the US, and in fact will repel it as other markets offer more welcoming environments.

These results are sadly predictable.  Hiking taxes in a recession only discourages investment and increases costs to consumers.  Either prices go up or jobs get lost.  When producers can’t make profit any longer, they stop producing.  None of this should come as a surprise to anyone, but the Obama administration keeps acting as though government confiscation of capital has no effect on economic performance.  As long as that incompetence remains, expect more companies to go abroad, or go Galt.

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What? Low taxes attract businesses?

Who woulda thunk it?

lorien1973 on March 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM

By the end of the second month of Obama on the job, will there be ANY successful companies left in the US?

Sir Napsalot on March 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM

America won’t be the world leader in anything except deadbeats and government employees by the time this Administration is over.

rockmom on March 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

It’s businesses first. By the time Obama’s first, and probably only, term is up, you will probably see individual engineers and inventors doing the same thing. If it keeps up long enough, laborer’s won’t want to do anything but the bare minimum to support themselves and their families.

After all, why bother?

gryphon202 on March 12, 2009 at 1:02 PM

By the end of the second month of Obama on the job, will there be ANY successful companies left in the US?

Sir Napsalot on March 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM

If, by successful, you mean, green companies with government subsidies, then yes.

myrenovations on March 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM

The problem with politicians, is they think they are smarter then businessmen.
The old saying passed on from father to son is “You never play the others man’s game”.
That is why businessmen hire lobbyists, professional at the politicians game.
The businessmen will always win…they always have.
When you hurt business, you hurt the economy…that is just the way it is.
Even China knows that…

right2bright on March 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM

This shouldn’t be rocket science to BO’s administration, but apparently it is.

Who elected this clown?

Bob's Kid on March 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I said here that President Obama’s tax policies are driving companies away. He needs to learn that his actions are having negative consequences for America’s economy.

LFRGary on March 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Those unpatriotic bastards!
To think that they refuse to tow the ‘patriotic’ line by giving the govt more of their money!

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Hell, I may illegally emigrate to Mexico. /

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Hey, maybe we should lower taxes to attract business!

No, that would be unfair to poor people who don’t pay any taxes…or something like that…

DamnCat on March 12, 2009 at 1:06 PM

If, by successful, you mean, green companies with government subsidies, then yes.

myrenovations on March 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM

The only reason ethanol plants exist in the 1st place.
Our ethanol plant at Richardton,ND received a huge chunk of govt $$ last year & the year before & probably will again this year.

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 1:06 PM

And when they’ve all left, and we’re all the same with no jobs, in the words of an aide to the social worker Jane Adams when she visited Russia, “How wonderful it is to see everyone equally shabby.”

itsspideyman on March 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Hell, I may illegally emigrate to Mexico. /

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Don’t try it. They actually prosecute them there. Expect lengthy jail time and/or quick deportation. We have to take theirs, but they won’t take ours.

Kelligan on March 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM

OBAMA DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY. period.

ctmom on March 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM

My husband works for an independent Oil and Gas company that has been forced to cut back on production.

Fortunately the owner has overseas operations as well and other diversified interests to keep employees busy….for now. It can’t go on like this forever – just a matter of time, thank you Prezident-in-Competant.

tru2tx on March 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Hmmmm, can Switzerland hold a few millions of Americans?

OhEssYouCowboys on March 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

There is a term for this. It’s called captial flight and it happens to all socialist regimes. Expect more US corporations to up and leave the country. I am surprised that GM and Ford didn’t leave a decade ago. It’s too late for GM to quit the US but Ford still has time.

jerryofva on March 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

P.S. These companies will be prosecuted for Anti-Obama Agitation [Article 58, Criminal Code of the Socialist States of America].

OhEssYouCowboys on March 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Is going Galt like going Commando?

The Internet Warrior <<<<<<<<< Is Commando now!

:)

Mark Garnett on March 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Lowering taxes to encourage business? Surely you jest!

Now we know where John Galt got to!

In the new People’s Republic of Obamanation, the Caliph expects his peasants to be happy, productive and, above all else, LOYAL to the Caliph’s dismembering of the old United States of America’s economy.

How long is the line for Swiss visas?

SeniorD on March 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Yeah,

Let’s make Switzerland the next Super Power.

/s

Sir Napsalot on March 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

There is a whole school of liberal economic thought that says these types of tax-cutting exercises to promote business relocations are destructive, because they lead to “price wars” for lower tax rates that end up starving government of needed revenues.

I wrote my master’s thesis on whether tax reductions or government subsidies are more effective ways to lure businesses to areas with distressed economies. It was both an economic analysis and an implementation analysis. Empirically it is difficult to conclude that one is better than the other. The best thing about tax reductions is that they are apolitical and available to all. Subsidy programs are invariably political and get gamed by the well-connected businesses. That is why I concluded that tax reductions work best.

rockmom on March 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Ed, the sad part is (and I didn’t see it mentioned in the articles) is that you have a sign a contract with the Swiss Gov to stay there and build as they do not want in and out enterprises. I wonder what those companies had to sign to move there?

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Democrats hate businesses, because businesses are Capitalist entities. When will they pull their heads out of their collective asses? Not while they have control in DC.

Stupid stupid Democrats.

kirkill on March 12, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Its a fairly simple concept to understand. Corporations and businesses will do what they need to do in order to maintain their profit margins and share prices. So that means passing on tax hikes to consumers, downsizing and laying off staff or moving operations to other countries where the business environment is more favourable. That’s why Obama’s war on the rich is a dumb idea, The wealthy can afford to go elsewhere and when that happens its going to be the last person sitting at the table who ends up getting stuck with the check for Obama and the Democrats pork banquet.

Dreadnought223 on March 12, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Nancy Pelosi, abuse of power, US military jets.

Push the story for at least another week.

ADHD doesn’t win elections.

funky chicken on March 12, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Ed, there is one other consequence of Obama’s tax hikes that people keep forgetting: more agreesive IRS enforcement against everyone. Because Obama’s tax policy will likely decrease the tax base and thus depress tax revenue, he will instruct the IRS in some fashion to “go get the money.” And the IRS will not limit this fight to the upper 2% who have money to fight the IRS. The IRS will get more bang for its buck by going after small businesses and middle class invididuals who cannot finance the fight and have the resources to pay the additional tax grab and fines.

It will get ugly, I am sure…

RedSoxNation on March 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM

The guy is an a**. Illinois, where he did some community organizing, lost many jobs due to high taxes. The companies moved to a more tax friendly state.

BobK on March 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

An Ivy League education will fubar you every time.

whitetop on March 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I still think it’s dangerous to regard Ogabe as merely incompetent. He is an evil; a cancerous lesion that needs to be excised before it metastasizes.

SKYFOX on March 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Obama has been death for most of the economy, but for right side bloggers like Ed, business is brisk. This new Admin. is an unending source of material. good job, ed

james23 on March 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Swiss Miss 1
Obama 0

Kini on March 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM

The problem with American socialists is that they have the gumption that American breeds in its citizens.

They actually believe that they can make socialism work.

myrenovations on March 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Oh c’mon, people. The stock market is up for a third consecutive day. That must mean the “Bush Depression” is over.

/sarc

Doughboy on March 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM

I still think it’s dangerous to regard Ogabe as merely incompetent. He is an evil; a cancerous lesion that needs to be excised before it metastasizes.

SKYFOX on March 12, 2009 at 1:18 PM

He knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. His aim is to destroy the American economy, so that it can be rebuilt in his Socialist image.

He, and all of the other PIGS in Congress, know EXACTLY what they are doing.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

The next logical steps, as long as we’re alluding to Atlas Shrugged, is the proposal and passage of laws disallowing business owners and industry leaders to move their jobs, quit their jobs or resign from their jobs.

Kerry, the ignorant D-student dunce that he is, is essentially calling these people who want to avoid carrying MORE of the society’s deadbeats (Democrat voters) at the expense of their own businesses and employees “traitors.” Next, per Rand, they’ll be referred to as “deserters,” as if they have a legal duty to produce and run companies because the government holds a gun to their head. Legislation will be passed by these collectivist frauds trying to make it illegal for them to fail and mandating that they succeed. We’re already seeing the government propping-up and subsidization of businesses that are “too big to fail,” and this is de facto fascism (government control and dictatorship of businesses and production at the point of a gun).

The free market’s fault? the free market hasn’t been allowed to work, to clear and to reset because the government has tried to control it. Every time they do so, they sink us further into the mire of collectivism, and the end results is collapse.

It’s coming. I don’t want it to, but it is.

Good Lt on March 12, 2009 at 1:25 PM

This is what we get when we elect someone who has virtually no experience in private enterprise.

Remember the old ad campaign with John (Paper Chase) Houseman? “The make money the old-fashioned way…they EARN it.” That’s the slogan that applies to any capitalist.

On analogy to that ad, the slogain for Obama, his ACORN friends, his Kool-Aid-drinking supporters, unions, community organizers, and the like is as follows: “They make money the old-fashioned way…they EXTORT it.”

BuckeyeSam on March 12, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Some of us knew this was coming quite awhile ago (though the country they’re emigrating to is different).

michaelo on March 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

What’s funny is here in ND, we have companies like SYKES relocating to other states & shutting down some of the offices, like in Minot, bcs they can’t find enough people to work there so they can expand.
And with all the unemployment out there, this really does boggle the mind!

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

These results are sadly predictable. Hiking taxes in a recession only discourages investment and increases costs to consumers. Either prices go up or jobs get lost. When producers can’t make profit any longer, they stop producing.

“Gird your loins, America”

TN Mom on March 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

There is a whole school of liberal economic thought that says these types of tax-cutting exercises to promote business relocations are destructive, because they lead to “price wars” for lower tax rates that end up starving government of needed revenues.

rockmom on March 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM

If revenues ever got so low, that the govt was no longer able to deliver those services that only govt could deliver, then the companies would stop coming, and existing ones would move out.

The real reason some complain about lower govt revenues, is that it means govt has less money to spend on them. The essential govt services line is just a smokescreen.

MarkTheGreat on March 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Ed, the sad part is (and I didn’t see it mentioned in the articles) is that you have a sign a contract with the Swiss Gov to stay there and build as they do not want in and out enterprises. I wonder what those companies had to sign to move there?

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM

That is an excellent point. Obama has probably hampered this economy for decades. This is so sad. I hope to I live to see America a business mecca again. But it will probably be awhile and this is just the beginning of Obama’s destruction.

petunia on March 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Lol.

In a globalized world, how did they NOT think this was going to happen?

bluelightbrigade on March 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Hey on the bright side we still have a better business enviroment than Mexico! For now.

petunia on March 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

In a globalized world, how did they NOT think this was going to happen?

bluelightbrigade on March 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM

And that, I believe, is the crux of many of ours, and the world’s, problems.

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Zug, about 30 minutes’ drive from Zurich, beyond all recognition. Its economy was based on farming until it slashed tax rates to attract commerce after World War Two. …

Now the US government will build fences but not to keep people out.

Speakup on March 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM

The idiot messiah isn’t worried. He’s planning on being annointed King of the World, soon, so he’ll just lay some extra-heavy taxes (99%) on Switzerland when he takes over the whole planet. … right after he stops sucking his thumb.

progressoverpeace on March 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM

POTUS wants the economy to fail,so that he can implement his social agenda(universal healthcare,card check,welfare,etc.)POTUS administration cannot have a healthy economy for it’s agenda to survive period. POTUS does not ,I repeat does not care if he’s a one term POTUS as long he accomplishes his agenda and his party has power. It’s ALL about having power for them over the american people. Having us dependent on the government for EVERYTHING. BTW, POTUS and his cronies are now working to change,religion,gun laws,etc., while we are distracted by the economy. We The People better wake up and fight against this attack or we will be the United Socialist State of America by the end of next year if not sooner.

Kronos41 on March 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM

I really can’t believe get over the fact that the Obama administration is this stupid!!

crazy_legs on March 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM

By the end of the second month of Obama on the job, will there be ANY successful companies left in the US?

Define success….

Do you mean success in the way of profits??

Or do you mean success in that the company is still in business??

I predicted as much. With a Marxist like Obama he feels that the

corporation is the source of all social ills.

I feel it is the Federal Government that is the source of all social ills.

Obama is infecting our society and the cure for

America will be a strong dose of conservatism.

izoneguy on March 12, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Maybe Barry should take a lesson from Bill Cliton’s playbook “It’s the economy, stupid…”

Wyznowski on March 12, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Congress and the Obama administration will try to cut off this retreat route, but may not have much success

No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force.
- Helmuth von Moltke

MB4 on March 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

They should come to Australia

cyclosarin on March 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM

The potato famine is over, I am returning to my roots in Ireland. Where the rivers flow with dark beer.

workingforpigs on March 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Switzerland is only the latest to play Midas Mulligan to Obama’s Wesley Mouch. Capital is on strike. Serial Entrepreneurs are sitting on their hands. Venture funds are sitting on their capital.

If we don’t want to be America anymore, the free market will create another one.

flyoverland on March 12, 2009 at 1:51 PM

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 1:12 PM

No wonder Europeans like Obama so much; he’s delivering the goods. What I wouldn’t give to find out who actually contributed $650 million to his campaign.

chunderroad on March 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Because Obama’s tax policy will likely decrease the tax base and thus depress tax revenue, he will instruct the IRS in some fashion to “go get the money.”….It will get ugly, I am sure…

RedSoxNation on March 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM

This is exactly what I think will happen. And the problem is two-fold because of the class warfare mentality that the liberals want to engage in. When us conservatives decide we have had enough, they could well decide to go ahead and play out the class warfare to its conclusion.

I think there is a chance that we are headed for a revolution. Not a probability yet, but I think there’s a chance. Good thing the libs decided to disarm themselves ;-).

connertown on March 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM

It’s time: FairTax

Daft Punk on March 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM

By the time Obama’s first, and probably only, term is up, you will probably see individual engineers and inventors doing the same thing.

Already happening. I have an invention about to hit the market Next August. As an individual I sold my product to a Swiss firm I formed. Manufacture will be handled here in the U.S. but Royalties, licensing fees, etc get sent overseas. Will do that as long as it is legal. Until they build an American Wall) Then I will change citizenship. Don’t want to, as I am a Vet, but my last two inventions made me enough to go mobile.

Look you can’t have a country that says “we hate you because you are successful, but keep being successful for the people who won’t work!” and expect Prime Movers to stay out of Patriotism.

GunRunner on March 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM

“Galt’s Gulch” (As described by Rand in Atlas Shrugged) is actually just a few miles from where I live, in Telluride, CO.

Norwegian on March 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM

No wonder Europeans like Obama so much; he’s delivering the goods. What I wouldn’t give to find out who actually contributed $650 million to his campaign.

chunderroad on March 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

not a lot of people realize the ramifications of this quite yet. I knew about it a couple months ago when i heard a oil business was moving to Norway. Why Norway, I asked? They are getting a HUGE tax break and bringing in jobs… also there is some possiblity of expanding for more Natural Gas drilling in the seas.

The U.S., thanks to the Dems and the stupid Repubs, are literally cutting their throats on offshore and non drilling permits here. We are totally SCREWED!

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Good thing I’ve kept up with the old family in Liechtenstein…where the Swiss do their banking. Nice mountains, close to anything that really matters, and most of the tourists only hang out from mid-morning to mid-afternoon, and never leave the center of the old city, then they get back on the buses and leave us alone. If all else fails…sure is trending that way…Gruss Gott, Vaduz!

coldwarrior on March 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Ed, the sad part is (and I didn’t see it mentioned in the articles) is that you have a sign a contract with the Swiss Gov to stay there and build as they do not want in and out enterprises. I wonder what those companies had to sign to move there?

Speaking as one familiar with these deals, Ireland and Switzerland specifically, not much, in terms of what we had to sign to go there. The Swiss are pretty accommodating and if it wasn’t a good deal we would have looked elsewhere, capital moves to the most efficient (lowest tax) markets. Its your tax accountants and corp execs that decide where jobs go (but the groundwork always starts in the tax department, then goes to the Corp Execs for approval), and in the last 10-15 years its not been inside the US.

One of my Tax Director friends described for me recently the reaction on the faces of her southwestern MN rural older relatives when she explained to them that she is the person shipping US jobs overseas. She doesn’t want to do it (she’s as patriotic an American as anyone else, started her career in the Navy) she said, but the tax structure in the US forces companies to look elsewhere to put capital. This is a long topic but no one can emphasize enough what a permanent cut to the US Corp tax rate would do to bring Capital and jobs here (or back here).

mngirl on March 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM

We are totally SCREWED!

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Kinda like what’s going on with this Fed land being declared off limits to EVERYTHING (oil, gas, recreation etc.)?
I forget what the bill is, but I was to understand that it puts a lot of this ‘roadless’ land Clinton put aside as well as all those ‘monuments’ he created + BLM,DNR land etc in the pot as off limits.
So no development of WY gas or oil in the W part of the state (& yeah I realize some of these companies are polluting the hell out of the area-but that’s your state govt’s fault in not enforcing the law).
ND has been doing just fine with the development-Gov Hoeven has made it attractive for business to come here & looky there-we got so much business that companies have to CLOSE bcs they can’t find the workforce to expand (Sykes).
Unbelievable.

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 2:02 PM

mngirl on March 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Opps I guess I should have indicated on the amount of years that the Compnaies have to stay there to get any type of tax break.

30-50 is indication that it is a good will deed. If they leave they have to pay a LARGE fine. If something comes up such as bankruptcy, they still pay a fine but they are ok to cancel the remains of the contract.

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

IRS will get more bang for its buck by going after small businesses…

I’m a free-lancer, so I don’t have “office people” that can babysit an IRS auditor. If my business is put on hold for an extended time becase of an audit, I’m going to be out a lot of money, and possibly lose customers.

This is exactly what keeps me up at night lately (sometimes literally). Anyone have a link to some good audit prep tips?

FuriousAmerican on March 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Too bad we cant relocate this administration to Switzerland for the next 4 yrs.

becki51758 on March 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Yep. ND was doing well even under BLM until recently. State of AK is thinking about trading land with the BLM for oil rights that BLM won’t do anything with… but give BLM roads that are needed.

This is just getting weirder and weirder.

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 2:06 PM

It’s businesses first. By the time Obama’s first, and probably only, term is up, you will probably see individual engineers and inventors doing the same thing. If it keeps up long enough, laborer’s won’t want to do anything but the bare minimum to support themselves and their families.
After all, why bother?
gryphon202 on March 12, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I hear Ya Brother, Which would be better, Switzerland or New Zealand?
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Government is the only place that rewards Stupidity and Failure

Galt2009 on March 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Even Democrats know that you lure businesses by lowering taxes. Any illusion that Dems know otherwise can be blown apart by looking at how Dems treat Hollywood. They give cuts all the time to keep the movie business in CA. The latest atrocity of a budget raised everybody’s taxes yet had room for upwards of $250 million in tax breaks to Hollywood. Go figure. They can call names all they want but they know what they are doing.

oddjob1138 on March 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM

He’s not bright enough to wreck the economy by design; he actually thinks his idiotic left-wingery will work.

Despite a century of historical evidence to the contrary.

He’s a paper-thin scam artist, who was catapulted into office by three factors:

1. He was the best of a bad bunch of contenders in the primary, and he got away without ever saying anything (a fairytale, as a certain Bill Clinton said)

2. He was running against arguably the worst campaign ever put together

3. The banking collapse, which is almost 100% the creation of Democrats, was placed around the neck of ‘deregulation’ and by extension the GOP. Our side, as usual, were unable to present the facts of the matter, and rolled over.

Martin on March 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Too bad we cant relocate this administration to Switzerland for the next 4 yrs.

becki51758 on March 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM

I think the dark side of the Moon would be a more appropriate location.

Dreadnought223 on March 12, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Martin on March 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM

4. The neo-Pravda media was in full coup mode. The junta has been installed.

progressoverpeace on March 12, 2009 at 2:18 PM

This is just getting weirder and weirder.

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Yeah. And now the courts are letting the EPA regulate dust.
It is getting weirder & weirder.

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Martin on March 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM

5. Bush and the Republican run Congress didn’t act like the fiscal conservatives we hired them to be while they were in power.

oddjob1138 on March 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Yeah. And now the courts are letting the EPA regulate dust.
It is getting weirder & weirder.

Badger40 on March 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM

I am waiting for the taxing of Volcanic Ash!

upinak on March 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM


Is going Galt like going Commando?

John Galt didn’t wear scivvies??

TugboatPhil on March 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM

I hear Ya Brother, Which would be better, Switzerland or New Zealand?
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Government is the only place that rewards Stupidity and Failure

Galt2009 on March 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM

New Zealand is pretty hard to get into, unless you’re going to be a productive member of society. But of course, the fact you want to leave indicates that you’re likely productive.

hawksruleva on March 12, 2009 at 2:29 PM

This is a long topic but no one can emphasize enough what a permanent cut to the US Corp tax rate would do to bring Capital and jobs here (or back here).

mngirl on March 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM

This is more than just outsourcing jobs overseas, or building a facility–this is an actual change in domicile. I think that’s because Obama intends to tax profits made overseas, even if not repatriated. I wonder what happens to the management. Do they move, and assume citizenship in the new country?

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Seems the hills of Switzerland are alive with the sound of money.

Think we’ll ever see a parody of Adolf Obama’s troops chasing the Wall Street Von Trap’s, who escape to the tune of “Climb Every Mountain”?

cackcon on March 12, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Who didn’t see this coming besides Obama and his tax-cheat SoT?

Christian Conservative on March 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

cackcon on March 12, 2009 at 2:35 PM

On that note…

OK, von Trappped family, sing, sing like it vas 1939 is 2009:

“Paupers on food stamps,

Stocks in a fizzle,

Worn out old factories,

And bling got no sizzle.

All the Conservatives

Heading for Spain,

I got my waffles,

So I can’t complain.

Ah, yes,

These are a few of my favorite things…”

coldwarrior on March 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Who didn’t see this coming besides Obama and his tax-cheat SoT?

Christian Conservative on March 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

53% of America. Mass insanity is a sad, and destructive, thing.

progressoverpeace on March 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Interesting. I will definately go out of my way to support companies that do this.

PimFortuynsGhost on March 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Already happening. I have an invention about to hit the market Next August. As an individual I sold my product to a Swiss firm I formed. Manufacture will be handled here in the U.S. but Royalties, licensing fees, etc get sent overseas. Will do that as long as it is legal. Until they build an American Wall) Then I will change citizenship. Don’t want to, as I am a Vet, but my last two inventions made me enough to go mobile.

Look you can’t have a country that says “we hate you because you are successful, but keep being successful for the people who won’t work!” and expect Prime Movers to stay out of Patriotism.

GunRunner on March 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Sad to see it come to this. But in any case, I wish you the best of luck (and as a vet, you deserve it!).

BTW: what did you invent,and where can I invest/buy stuff from you?

Chaz706 on March 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Anybody interested in a cup of tea…………..?

Seven Percent Solution on March 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Real Americans thinking country first?

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Businesses exist to return profit to their shareholders, and they will structure the business to maximize that return within the limits of the law.

I agree, and I also believe businesses should thrive on the basis of innovation to increase their profits. What I *do not* buy is the whole notion that if they lose a lot of money, the “I am too big to fail” argument can be used to keep them afloat on taxpayer money. If they have to use taxpayer money as collateral for their risk, they need to pay more taxes.

peter_griffin on March 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

If they have to use taxpayer money as collateral for their risk, they need to pay more taxes.

peter_griffin on March 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I don’t think that makes sense. They should just have to offer preferential returns to the taxpayer, insofar as we have to deal with them at all.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Real Americans thinking country first?

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

When your country doesn’t think of you first, but is out to destroy honesty and hard work, and punish it, by moving it toward modern day serfdom, under the guise of political power, you have absolutely no fiddle and no tune.

If you don’t get this, you’re not made for a Galt thread. Howerver, you’ll be and remain a looter/moocher. It’s just that eventually you won’t have anyone to loot or mooch.

Entelechy on March 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Again, I emphasize that I do not favor high taxes on these companies, in fact I favor the reverse. However,

(1) it should be made very clear that irrespective of the consequences, they will *never* be bailed out with public money

(2) companies whose failure can put the whole system in jeopardy should be broken up OR required to allow government intervention in their operations to ensure they are not close to collapse

peter_griffin on March 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM

If Real, Hardworking Americans feel they’re freer in another country, they’ll move. Immigration works both ways. George Washington and many of the founding fathers would agree w/these folks. Most of them were businessmen, and when they saw how high taxes were affecting them they were pissed! One even went to illegal rum-running to keep his profits! (*gasp!* To his credit, he was only breaking BRITISH law.) When they saw how the intolerable acts were affecting everyone else, they opted to revolt.
BUT if Switzerland had a constitution back then, and a free people…… they probably would’ve just moved. Would’ve been easier on them.

Chaz706 on March 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM

They should just have to offer preferential returns to the taxpayer, insofar as we have to deal with them at all.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

How can we ensure “preferential return” ? All the TARP money still has not managed to ease Libor spreads, so the idea of “hoping for returns” clearly does not work. Now, if you say they have to invest X% of their money in public research, that probably makes more sense. But then, that’s the same as a tax deduction, and some of them do exist now.

peter_griffin on March 12, 2009 at 2:57 PM

(2) companies whose failure can put the whole system in jeopardy should be broken up OR required to allow government intervention in their operations to ensure they are not close to collapse

peter_griffin on March 12, 2009 at 2:55 PM

What this hole economic catastrophe has taught me is that ‘Too big to fail’='Just too big to begin with’. I say break out the anti-trust laws and see how this fixes itself. I personally see a lot of big banks as trusts between multiple companies!

Chaz706 on March 12, 2009 at 2:59 PM

What getalife doesn’t understand, is that “America” is an idea (not necesssarily just a geographiacal/political entity) based upon the key tenets of individualism and hard work. If these traits are rewarded in another geographic/political entity so be it, and it is our responsibility to patronize and support them in their endeavors, if they produce a valuable good.

PimFortuynsGhost on March 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Lol.

In a globalized world, how did they NOT think this was going to happen?

bluelightbrigade on March 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM

He ran on the premise of “saving the world from itself, and healing the whole of it”. What he didn’t realize is this very effect. Actions, all of them, have consequences.

Also, Switzerland is not part of the Eu, has and will remain stubbornly independent, and will show him/his a big finger, much to the chagrin of the rest of the socialist/communist/fascist world.

Entelechy on March 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Real Americans thinking country first?

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

So says the moron who voted for a guy raised in Indonesia who knows nothing about America.

So says the moron who voted for the guy who tells us that America sucks and needs to be totally changed and turned into a marxist sh!thole, to remind him more of the world of his childhood, where he learned about the ugliness of the US during his Koran lessons in Indonesian schools.

So says the moron who wants to demonize everyone who is successful, to steal their hard-earned wealth and give it to a bunch of lazy slobs who think the world owes them a living and that they are entitled to the fruits of everyone else’s labor.

You cannot change human nature because your idiot marxist professors claim that they can. The US was built to work with human nature, not to declare war against it – as you fools have declared.

You had better start looking for a hiding place, because this run of the left will be over very soon, and people are going to be pretty ticked at the cr#p you have sold them. “Nation of cowards” … huh?

progressoverpeace on March 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM

How can we ensure “preferential return” ? All the TARP money still has not managed to ease Libor spreads, so the idea of “hoping for returns” clearly does not work. Now, if you say they have to invest X% of their money in public research, that probably makes more sense. But then, that’s the same as a tax deduction, and some of them do exist now.

peter_griffin on March 12, 2009 at 2:57 PM

I think I’m going to retract my comment. It just seemed complicated having special tax rates for certain companies, but perhaps it wouldn’t be so hard after all, and maybe it’s a good idea.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

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