Steele reverses himself on choice

posted at 9:37 am on March 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

For the third time in his short tenure as RNC chair, Steele has fumbled a media appearance, this time on abortion, and had to reverse himself afterwards.   Steele told an interviewer that he thought abortion was a matter of personal choice and that it should be regulated by the states.  Now, as Ben Smith reports at Politico, Steele explains that what he really meant was that abortion should be banned by a Constitutional amendment:

I am pro-life, always have been, always will be.

I tried to present why I am pro life while recognizing that my mother had a “choice” before deciding to put me up for adoption. I thank her every day for supporting life. The strength of the pro life movement lies in choosing life and sharing the wisdom of that choice with those who face difficult circumstances. They did that for my mother and I am here today because they did. In my view Roe vs. Wade was wrongly decided and should be repealed. I realize that there are good people in our party who disagree with me on this issue.

But the Republican Party is and will continue to be the party of life. I support our platform and its call for a Human Life Amendment. It is important that we stand up for the defenseless and that we continue to work to change the hearts and minds of our fellow countrymen so that we can welcome all children and protect them under the law.

Try squaring that with this:

Explain that.
The choice issue cuts two ways. You can choose life, or you can choose abortion. You know, my mother chose life. So, you know, I think the power of the argument of choice boils down to stating a case for one or the other.

Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice.

You do?
Yeah. Absolutely.

You can’t.  The two statements cannot be reconciled with each other.  They are mutually exclusive.  And Steele has offered both as his views in two successive days.

I’m pro-life, as anyone who has read this blog knows.  I don’t think that’s a litmus test for Republicans, although some may differ on that point.  Pro-choice Republicans exist in significant numbers, and will grow as Obama’s Deadbeatonomics fails and drives people out of the arms of the statists in the Democratic Party.  We will want to partner with people to build a coalition that can win national elections, and economic freedom will probably have to form the basis of that coalition.

However, the problem with Steele isn’t the GQ interview.  It’s the fact that he can’t seem to make up his mind and stick with it.  Steele seems to have environmentally-dependent political views.  When he’s talking with DL Hughley, the Republican Convention looks like a Nazi rally.  When he’s talking on TV, Rush Limbaugh is ugly and incendiary.  When Steele talks with GQ, he’s pro-choice.  And Steele reverses himself with amazing alacrity when speaking in entirely different environments.  He appears to have no convictions and no principles when he makes these gyrations on the national stage, as though he stands for nothing but Michael Steele and access to the media spotlight.

I have seen the man speak with conviction and passion at conservative events and leave everyone mightily impressed, but now we have to wonder whether Steele just tailored the message for the audience, as he appears to have done with Hughley and GQ.  I don’t necessarily buy that, as he has easier ways to get media air time than being in the Republican Party, but it’s hard not to ask the question these days.

One thing is certain: he’s a lot less media savvy than most of us thought.  And since he doesn’t seem to have much skill in organization, we have to ask ourselves why we should support his continued tenure as RNC chair.

Update: Philip Klein sums it up in one word: Zelig.

Update II: My friend John McCormack defends Steele on this point:

Ed Morrissey writes: “The two statements cannot be reconciled with each other. They are mutually exclusive. And Steele has offered both as his views in two successive days.”

I disagree. Steele was asked whether there is a right to abortion–not whether there ought to be a right to abortion. Under the current legal regime dictated by the Supreme Court, abortion is an “individual choice” throughout all nine months of pregnancy for effectively any reason.

Well, I certainly hope that’s what Steele meant, but calling abortion a “right” and an “individual choice” sounds quite a bit like he’s surrendering substantial ground.  People think of “rights” as something government can’t eliminate.  “Absolutely” sounds like an endorsement of that position.  If that’s not what he meant to convey, then I think Steele needs to work on his delivery, and again that goes to whether we got the media-savvy spokesman we expected when we cheered his victory.

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Never wanted to steal your thunder..you do a damn fine job of thundering.

coldwarrior on March 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Amen to that!

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Steele is a keeper.

Give him time.

Dow up three days in a row.

Thank you President Obama.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

The Palin family is becoming more and more like the Roseann Show. Too much family drama.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Ummmmm, there was a “pro life movement” in 1958?

MrC_5150 on March 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Yeah, it was called “American culture.”

(Good catch, btw).

cs89 on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

He’s beginning to look more and more like his parody character from SNL.

Cr4sh Dummy on March 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM

I also am pro-life and believe that it is up to the individual. It should be banned by the Constitution and left up to the states to decide. I feel that in no way a woman’s right to choose should be impeded by pro-life policies, which I support. I hope I made myself clear.

DarkKnight3565 on March 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM

News Flash: There will never be an anti-abortion Constitutional Amendment.

Speedwagon82 on March 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM

I don’t like it at any time, but why are so many people worried about Ted Kennedy’s really old and sick brain, but not a child’s? Maybe we can compromise. Abortion and euthanasia (over 45, let’s say) or no abortion and no euthanasia.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Demonstration through the absurd, but these two issues are truly very linked together. It IS about the dignity and sanctity of life. Diminishing the life of the unborn ultimately diminishes all life. This is a requirement for the eventual coerced euthanasia of those our social safety net will not longer be able to afford to keep alive.

neuquenguy on March 12, 2009 at 11:18 AM

News Flash: There will never be an anti-abortion Constitutional Amendment.

Speedwagon82 on March 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Or an anti-slavery one.

neuquenguy on March 12, 2009 at 11:20 AM

It IS a choice. That is a simple fact. You choose abortion, or you choose to have the baby. Women obviously have the “right” to choose to abort. Society also has the right to decide that the choice to abort is wrong and should be criminalized, or that anyone performing an abortion is a criminal. The “right to life” may have been defined in our Declaration of Independence, but it is not guaranteed in the Constitution.

A Human Life Amendment will turn millions of women into criminals. That is also a fact, not an opinion.

rockmom on March 12, 2009 at 9:43 AM

And the 14th Ammendment turned slave owners into… __________

Please fill in the blank. Should we have allowed slavery to continue just because it would have turned thousands of slave owners into criminals?

The slave owners exerted their will over slaves, as property… not much different than a woman going forward on aborting the child within her. Both treat people as property, their will overriding the rights of the people “under them”.

And if you’ve studied our historical founding documents, you’d realize that the Constitution is built upon the proclamations of rights within the Declaration.

Years from now, people will be appalled how we allowed babies to be treated as disposable property, and wonder how we could have allowed that abomination.

dominigan on March 12, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Dow up three days in a row.

Thank you President Obama.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Thanks, getalife, I needed a good belly laugh today.

And Steele, sounds a lot like a politician. They don’t actually have firm convictions, which is why Biden and Obama have already been caught in bold face lies so much in just 2 short months.

“no earmarks”, remember that one?

kirkill on March 12, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Steele is a keeper.

Give him time.

Dow up three days in a row.

Thank you President Obama.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Shouldn’t you be ranting about our evil consumerist society, or is that ok now that a “D” is in office?

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Steele must go. It is as simple as that.

As long as he remains RNC Chairman, I am not donating a single dime. All my money is going to SarahPAC instead.

Norwegian on March 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Yep… get him outta there.

Unless Rush, Jindal or Palin steps into that position, I don’t foresee myself donating to the GOP anytime soon.

ErinF on March 12, 2009 at 9:42 AM

These people already have jobs. Think…just a little. Your anger and frustration need not cloud reality.

It IS a choice. That is a simple fact. You choose abortion, or you choose to have the baby. Women obviously have the “right” to choose to abort. Society also has the right to decide that the choice to abort is wrong and should be criminalized, or that anyone performing an abortion is a criminal. The “right to life” may have been defined in our Declaration of Independence, but it is not guaranteed in the Constitution.

A Human Life Amendment will turn millions of women into criminals. That is also a fact, not an opinion.

rockmom on March 12, 2009 at 9:43 AM

You are correct about their still being a choice. That does not excuse Steele’s duplicity. The man has zero conviction on some of the most divisive issues. I understand nuance and attention to detail, but you cannot hold diametrically opposed views and hold office.

Also, the “right to life” is not defined. It is acknowledged as not needing definition because the concept is absolute.

Women who have chosen abortion in the past would not be criminalized with the passage of a Life bill. Are you parents criminals for driving you around without your seatbelt before seatbelt laws were passed?

Do you consider this an important criteria when deciding whether to make anything illegal?

neuquenguy on March 12, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Criminalizing citizens is a problem because you make them into scofflaws by default. Illegal aliens who have already broken laws to enter the country have less trouble breaking other laws because they are already considered criminals.

Still, that’s not what would happen with acknowledgment of states’ rights or a Life amendment.

The “agree with me 100% of the time or you’re not a true Republican” crowd is destroying the GOP. Someone who agrees with me 80% of the time is a hell of a lot better than someone who agrees with me 15% of the time.

therightwinger on March 12, 2009 at 10:01 AM

You ever been at a house party that was really pumpin, but all of sudden you and your friends are the only ones there? That’s what’s going to happen to a lot of Republicans with the continued fracturing and infighting.

Conservatives are quickly becoming the new elitists — wholly deeming Republicans, moderates, independents as unworthy. Discount them if you want, but this last election found us relying on so-called Reagan Democrats and bluedogs in order to win.

We need to decide if we are interested in winning or being right.

The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Give him time.

Dow up three days in a row.

Thank you President Obama.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Yeah, that Dow was up a whopping 3.9 points yesterday. YAY SOCIALISM!

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM

You can reach a majority by calling Roe wrongly decided and appealing to strict construction and state’s rights. The Human Life Amendment would have a difficult time getting support from a majority of Republicans running for Congress in 2010. The party chairman shouldn’t be tied to it.

dedalus on March 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM

You can also reach a majority by saying you want to ban abortion except in cases of rape or incest, and by strongly promoting adoption for single teenagers who find themselves pregnant in high school.

I am personally against ALL abortions, but NARAL and Planned Parenthood are always trotting out rape victims (why should I carry my attacker’s child?) and teenagers (I can’t go to college because of the baby) as poster girls for abortion on demand. A total abortion ban has the support of maybe 30% of the population, but banning abortions with an exception for “rape, incest, and life of the mother” has 60%+ support in poll after poll.

We need to get SMART about the abortion issue, take a position that has broad popular support, and would prevent MOST abortions, since only a few percent of pregnancies are from rape or incest.

We also need to be proactive in making adoption easier–potential adoptive parents usually have to struggle for years and spend tens of thousands of dollars to work through the bureaucratic obstacles to adopt a 5-year-old, who has most likely been mistreated in a state-run foster-care center. Why can’t we simplify the rules so that a married couple simply prove they have the financial resources to care for a child, and have no history of child abuse, within a few months, and let them adopt a baby within a few months of birth?

Steve Z on March 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

This does not bode well for Mr. Steele. He better address his shortcomings to the base and QUICKLY before the recall requests grow louder.

“Steele seems to have environmentally-dependent political views.”

That is the primary problem of both the Republican and Democratic Parties. Until we get elected officials that actually mean what they say and say what they say (and then act accordingly), the best we can do is reward the doers, and expel the fakes.

Term limits, folks. Term limits.

itzWicks on March 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I’m Pro life but I really wish the Fed Govt was out of it altogether, on both sides of the issue.

We talk about the Feds having too much power over this and that but it seems that on both sides of the divide – Conservatives vs Liberals – it’s all what is your pet issue whether you want the Feds to regulate it or not….

Put it this way, if you want the Feds to ban abortion, what is to stop them from banning guns? Same goes for the otehr side.

States rights.

worlok on March 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I watched Steele a couple times on Hannity and Colmes during the election and he didn’t keep paces with the conversation. I’ve heard him subsequently on Bill Bennett’s radio show and he is sharper. Wondering if TV is not really his venue.

EyesOpen on March 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

points:

1. It’s a silly internet poll.
2. Most Palin votes came before Levi hit the road.

That is all.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:12 AM

???? Yes, everyone, and now that Levi is out of daughter Bristol’s life, you can be sure that Palin’s approval rating will fall through the floor…
what the f#ck does that have to do with anything?

Equality 7-2521 on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The Dow is up three days in a row…

Hosannas to you, President Obama, since you had nothing to do with the last two months of nigresence and lost wealth but have solely engineered its three-day, Phoenix-like rise.

But I thought the Dow was just like a “political tracking poll,” anyway.

rrpjr on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Dow up three days in a row.

Thank you President Obama.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Irrational exuberance.

Snowed In on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

The analogies with slavery don’t hold. All agreed that slaves were persons. The issue at the core of the Dred Scott decision was whether persons of African descent were entitled to the same political/legal rights as other persons. There is no consensus that a fertilized egg is a person or even and embryo for that matter. Please don’t bring up fetuses because the pro-life movement is not about fetuses it is about fertilized eggs. If it were, a consensus would have been reached a long time ago.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

???? Yes, everyone, and now that Levi is out of daughter Bristol’s life, you can be sure that Palin’s approval rating will fall through the floor…
what the f#ck does that have to do with anything?

Equality 7-2521 on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

More trashy details about a trashy candidate. It doesn’t mean anything, really…

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Steele is done. I want him out.

Of course I never give to the RNC anyway, just to individual candidates. The RNC should be scrubbed from top to bottom.

Then put Ann Coulter in charge for six weeks. I’ll write a check immediately.

bonnie_ on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

We cannot answer a “feel good” offering like Obama with our own “feel good” front man like Steele. Both decent men but out of their depth.

RobCon on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

It doesn’t mean anything, really…

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

It apparently means you’ll grasp at any straw if you think you can score a cheap political point. Even getalife doesn’t do that.

Snowed In on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Never wanted to steal your thunder..you do a damn fine job of thundering.

But as I went through your list, I could peg most if not all to one of the fundamentals.

coldwarrior on March 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM

It’s not my thunder, it’s the Conservative fundamentals that you express so very well… I /bow to your ability to be consise, direct and pointed, while I blow and thunder. MadisonConservative, I think, considers my bloviation and thundering to be counterproductive, he may be right… I just feel worried down to my soul, my heart hurts for America, she has given me so much and blessed me greatly. I owe her, I owe my family, I owe my God and the future generations to stand now, to draw the line in the sand, to man the wall, to protect and defend… It is what I must do, it is not an option. I consider Obama to be a real danger, not just a politician. He is a real threat to The Constitution, to life, liberty and the America dream and way of life… I hope you and MC can understand that…

Mark Garnett on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

The comments about the Palin’s on the blog have been appallingly ignorant the last couple of days! Truly astounding and it is apparent that either liberal KOS kids are out in force or Republicans are truly run by RINO’s and are hopelessly lost. If the latter I shall NEVER rejoin this sorry ass party again! You can take yourselves and Michael Steele and enjoy your miserable little lives!

sabbott on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

I am losing patience with Steele. He is just like Obama…says one thing to one group of people and the exact opposite to another group. I am sick of the chair of the RNC having to apologize and retract his statements.

ARe there NO FREAKING HONEST Politicians out there? Wait,don’t answer that.

ihasurnominashun on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Amen to that!

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM

ROFL

:)

Mark Garnett on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

The comments about the Palin’s on the blog have been appallingly ignorant the last couple of days! Truly astounding and it is apparent that either liberal KOS kids are out in force or Republicans are truly run by RINO’s and are hopelessly lost. If the latter I shall NEVER rejoin this sorry ass party again! You can take yourselves and Michael Steele and enjoy your miserable little lives!

sabbott on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Here Here!!!!

ihasurnominashun on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Crap like this kinda makes me glad the Dems are pigeonholing Rush as our leader.

Crusty on March 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Michael Steele is correct. It is a personal choice to have an abortion or to choose life. The question at hand being is it legal? And is it a life that you are snuffing away? We always have a choice, unfortunately the “pro-choice” folks have hi-jacked the word choice for their means. Regardless of the legality of the issue lying with the state or the federal government it will always be an individual choice. That is a fact that cannot be disputed.

Republicans should do a better job at arguing the real issue that abortion is choosing to end a life and there are MAJOR consequences that go with it for the mother and the father.

I think that Steele was trying to do that.

gatorgirl on March 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Steele must go. It is as simple as that.

As long as he remains RNC Chairman, I am not donating a single dime. All my money is going to SarahPAC instead.

Norwegian on March 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Empty threats and false outrage are in abundant supply these days. How much have you donated in the past? Whom led the RNC during terms when you donated? What, specifically, did the RNC achieve during those terms?

Also are you aware of the AK Supreme Court Justice recently appointed by Palin? Do you know about this woman’s background?

The 47-year-old Christen, who replaces a justice facing mandatory retirement at age 70, served on the board of Planned Parenthood in the 1990s before the group began performing abortions in 2003.

Perhaps Palin wanted to be perceived as strong on womens’ issues and advocacy. But this current appointee’s past activism should call Palin’s judgment into question.

The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Perhaps Palin wanted to be perceived as strong on womens’ issues and advocacy. But this current appointee’s past activism should call Palin’s judgment into question.

The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I don’t have all the details exactly, but I think Ed said that in Alaska (as in NYC) some body makes a list of “acceptable” choices, and the exec. is only allowed to pick from that list.I think he said that explained some of Giuliani’s appt’s as well.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

You can also reach a majority by saying you want to ban abortion except in cases of rape or incest, and by strongly promoting adoption for single teenagers who find themselves pregnant in high school.

Steve Z on March 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

The polls on this page would indicate that a federal ban except for rape and incest wouldn’t get majority support. The Human Life Amendment would be less popular and it is practically impossible for it to get 2/3 of each house of congress and the 3/4 of the state legislatures.

Aside from working around the edges (a meaningful but statistically modest endeavor) a president can only appoint judges until Roe is overturned.

dedalus on March 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

We need to decide if we are interested in winning or being right.

The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM

There has got to be a better way of defining our choices.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

C4P covered this here.

Snowed In on March 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Snowed In

Gracias.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Steele never said he supported abortion. He said every woman has to make a personal choice about that, and he doesn’t want them to make that choice.

Only a true abortion hysteric could turn that statement into “MICHAEL STEELE WANTS TO KILL BABIES.”

Abortion hysterics lose elections for the GOP.

Pelosi and Obama are out there tearing the nation apart, and you all want to scream that “MICHAEL STEELE WANTS TO KILL BABIES.”

enjoy wandering in the wilderness

funky chicken on March 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

More trashy details about a trashy candidate. It doesn’t mean anything, really…

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

If we said that crap about a D female candidate you’d be frothing at the mouth and spitting tabbouleh all over your kaffieyeh.

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

What Bernard Madoff did was illegal.

He made the personal choice to do it anyway.

Steele is talking about wishing women would not make the personal choice to have an abortion, nothing more and nothing less.

But you all want to stone him and cast him out. All I can do is pray for a serious Blue Dog Dem revolt, because you people are so obsessed with imperfections in linguistics that you will never form a cohesive force to fight Obama and Pelosi.

funky chicken on March 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I would not put too much faith in polls about abortion. Instead, look at ballot initiatives. These are actual votes with consequences unlike a poll question. In South Dakota, the ballot initiative called for a ban on all abortions in the state except in cases where mother’s life or health is at risk or in cases of rape or incest for pregnancies of less than 20 weeks. It failed 55% to 45%. This initiative had the “health” exception and still lost. In Colorado, the Human Life from the Moment of Conception was defeated by a stunning margin of 73% to 27%. The measure called for the definition the term “person” to include “any human being from the moment of fertilization. This is basically the same language as the pro-life plank in the GOP platform. McCain got 45% of the vote in Colorado which means that many GOP voters also rejected the initiative. Again, there is no desire on the part of the American people to ban abortion from the moment of conception.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Perhaps Palin wanted to be perceived as strong on womens’ issues and advocacy. But this current appointee’s past activism should call Palin’s judgment into question.

The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

And perhaps you didn’t read this earlier post/discussion
here

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/06/heartache-palin-appoints-former-planned-parenthood-board-member-to-supreme-court/

cs89 on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Abortion hysterics lose elections for the GOP.

funky chicken on March 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I am not for abortion hysterics but can you give me some examples of elections that were lost specifically because of abortion hysterics?

neuquenguy on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I’m Pro life but I really wish the Fed Govt was out of it altogether, on both sides of the issue.

We talk about the Feds having too much power over this and that but it seems that on both sides of the divide – Conservatives vs Liberals – it’s all what is your pet issue whether you want the Feds to regulate it or not….

Put it this way, if you want the Feds to ban abortion, what is to stop them from banning guns? Same goes for the otehr side.

States rights.

worlok on March 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

AMEN

funky chicken on March 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

I don’t have all the details exactly, but I think Ed said that in Alaska (as in NYC) some body makes a list of “acceptable” choices, and the exec. is only allowed to pick from that list.I think he said that explained some of Giuliani’s appt’s as well.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Interesting. Your point highlights just how much variety could actually manifest itself if abortion was left to the states.

There has got to be a better way of defining our choices.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I wish.

The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Well, at least this time around we know who the RNC chairman is…leadership?

d1carter on March 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

cs89 on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I missed it. Thanks.

The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

“I am not for abortion hysterics but can you give me some examples of elections that were lost specifically because of abortion hysterics?”

The GOP used to dominate the NYC, PA and Western suburbs at the congressional levle. They no longer do so because voters (especially women) got fed up listening to mostly men pontificating about abortion. If you have never menstruated, don’t pontificate about abortion.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

If you have never menstruated, don’t pontificate about abortion.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

If you never peed standing up, don’t mess with the remote.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

IF ONLY Rush was the leader of the GOP.

brogers on March 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

If you never peed standing up, don’t mess with the remote.

JiangxiDad

You don’t need a remote to pee silly.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

If you have never menstruated, don’t pontificate about abortion.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Can we have a list of what issues each group of individuals is alowed to talk about?

neuquenguy on March 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Steele never said he supported abortion. He said every woman has to make a personal choice about that, and he doesn’t want them to make that choice.

Abortion hysterics lose elections for the GOP.

The point is that in the GQ article Steele contradicts his earlier positions on abortion as well as the GOP’s platform position on abortion. This is a problem because his job is to represent and lead the GOP. He’s new to the job — and very unproven at handling it — so this statement really hurts him with his constituents (Republicans).

I’m pro-life, but, like Ed, I don’t think it is a litmus test issue for being a Republican (I think it’s an issue that transcends party lines, frankly). What bothers me about Steele’s recent media appearances/interviews is that he seems more concerned with appealing to what he thinks the audience believes, than he is about representing the GOP’s platform with conviction.

If Steele were a Rudy-style “pro-choice” Republican, he would still be responsible for stating the Party’s position with the strongest possible arguments… even if he wanted to add an acknowledgment that others within the party felt differently. That’s not what happened. His statement on abortion (in GQ) was neither consistent with the party platform, nor particularly coherent or well-reasoned.

I still feel that talk of ousting Steele should be shelved for the time-being, particularly since I don’t feel the other finalists for the position were especially strong. But, he needs to stop doing these interviews and focus on administrative issues, foremost of which is to assemble a strong team.

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

If you have never menstruated, don’t pontificate about abortion.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

It takes two to tango. (And, yes, I am a woman.)

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Can we have a list of what issues each group of individuals is alowed to talk about?

neuquenguy

You can talk about it. Just don’t pontificate.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM

“It takes two to tango. (And, yes, I am a woman.)”

When men can give birth, I will agree that they should lead the pro-life movement. Until then, I think it is more effective to have women in the front lines. But it won’t happen. Men just looooove to tell women what to do. It makes them feel macho.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

You can talk about it. Just don’t pontificate.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Why don’t you call your member of congress and propose a ban on people expressing their opinion on issues that the thought police deems is not appropriate for their particular demographic?

neuquenguy on March 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

You can talk about it. Just don’t pontificate.

Yeah, don’t be making any arrogant statements about no murdering innocent unborn human beings!

/sarc

brogers on March 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM

If you have never menstruated, don’t pontificate about abortion.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

If you’ve ever had your head suctioned out of the womb, then you won’t be able to pontificate.

kirkill on March 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM

The “agree with me 100% of the time or you’re not a true Republican” crowd is destroying the GOP.
therightwinger on March 12, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Bingo! And after reading this entire thread and the Bristol Palin thread, truer words were never spoken. Another perfect example of why the Republican party is stuck on stupid lately and will never win an election.

While the country continues to crash and burn under the new Socialist Boy King, the economy continues to tank and our enemies are making threats, you all are still arguing over this issue, while I’m trying to figure out how not to pay my neighbors mortgage.

Is Michael Steele a putz? You bet! But we need to figure out a way to make lemonade out the lemons we’ve been dealt instead of this continued nit picking I keep reading here.

So while you all sit behind your keyboards, pontificating the finer points of your principles, how many of you have signed up to host or attend a Glen Beck Viewing Party or the next Tea Party on April 15th?

End of rant.

Knucklehead on March 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:12 AM

With close to 9700 respondents to a poll you call it a silly Internet poll. Get serious.

But AllahPundit and Ed want to continue to hide the truth from you and make out that Romney is the only logical nominee for the GOP in 2012.

For those of you not aware, Sarah Palin, except for the CPAC straw poll has come in first in 4 separate polls asking different questions:

1) the CNN poll on Feb. 27: Who do want as your GOP nominee in 2012? (to 429 GOP voters)

2)the Hot Air poll run starting three days ago that Allah and Ed refuse to dedicate a separate thread to the fact that of close to 9700 respondents 38% of them believe that Sarah Palin is currently the leader of the GOP and number 2 is Rush Limbaugh at 28%. But they want to hide this truth as the MSM does with Carville’s blunder of wishing Bush to fail moments before the planes struck the Twin Towers

3)the John Hawkins right wing bloggers poll of 54 bloggers

4) the current shotsonthehouse.com poll with Sarah in the lead.

Folks, as the recognized leader of the party via the Hot Air poll Sarah is also to embark on a national journey through America to help like-minded conservatives in their election contests. That is what a true leader should do. You can help her out by contributing to SarahPAC.

Now let us hear no more garbage out of Allahpundit or Ed that Romney is almost assured of the nomination in 2012. That is absolute garbage and intellectually dishonest.

technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Who appointed you as morality cop?

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

If you have never menstruated, don’t pontificate about abortion.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

So I guess people not in the military shouldn’t speak about war?

I guess people who aren’t Muslim shouldn’t speak about Islam?

I guess people who are poor shouldn’t speak about welfare?

Get a clue.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM

But it won’t happen. Men just looooove to tell women what to do. It makes them feel macho.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Did you know that the original feminists where anti-abortion and it was two MALE doctors who persuaded the movement to champion the “pro-choice” cause? Curiously enough, these men arguable had a financial interest in it.

neuquenguy on March 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Men just looooove to tell women what to do. It makes them feel macho.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Uh huh…

Men should be cut off from all issues feminine. This type of thinking hasn’t caused any problems in our society…

Upstater85 on March 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Men just looooove to tell women what to do. It makes them feel macho.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

What does it make you when you tell men what to do? Abortarific?

kirkill on March 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Empty threats and false outrage are in abundant supply these days. How much have you donated in the past?
Whom led the RNC during terms when you donated? What, specifically, did the RNC achieve during those terms?
The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

1. My wife and I have given $3,000 annually to the RNC since 1998. This year we gave it all to SarahPAC.

2. Nicholoson, Gilmore, Racicot, Gillespie, Mehlman & Duncan.

3. During those terms; the RNC raised $380-$480 Million each
election cycle. I know it has dropped like rock since Steele took over. A lot of that money is going to SarahPAC.

Norwegian on March 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM

When men can give birth, I will agree that they should lead the pro-life movement. Until then, I think it is more effective to have women in the front lines. But it won’t happen. Men just looooove to tell women what to do. It makes them feel macho.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I think this does not boil down to a man vs woman thing, although I guess it can feel that way sometimes. What people who are “pro-choice” need to try to appreciate is that for pro-life people, abortion is about killing an innocent person. Any issues about the rights of one of the two parents responsible for the existence of that person are secondary to the embryo’s or fetus’ right to life. (Which is why pro-lifers also concede that if the mother’s life is in danger, she has a right to save her own life, including if that requires ending her pregnancy to do so.)

We are all in this thing together, men and women, so on every issue, it’s important that everyone’s opinion be respected.

Otherwise, it seems to me that you have to set up a matrix of who is and isn’t entitled to feel passionately about issues. For example, I don’t have kids — I’ve never had kids — so perhaps my opinion doesn’t count. Women who are past child-bearing age probably don’t count either. But men who have underage daughters — it seems to me their opinion counts, since they are responsible for their kids’ well-being.

I don’t have kids, but I pay taxes for schools and I expect that my opinion about how those schools are run to count every bit as much as the folks next door with two kids.

etc etc

It gets pretty messy pretty quickly if you go down that path.

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I never thought I would side with looney people – but as a conservative, after seeing this bonehead not be able to answer THIS question properly….. is it time to let the republican party die and go with a third party? How much worse does it need to get before it becomes a serious conversation? We need even more examples of stupidity?

JeffinOrlando on March 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Norweigan on March 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM

“During those terms (former RNC Chairmen)the RNC raised $380m-$480m each election cycle. I know it has dropped like a rock since Steele took over. A lot of that money is going to SarahPAC.”

“Facts are the enemy of truth.” Cervantes, Man of La Mancha

I dare Allah and Ed to deny this above veritable truth and I further challenge them to post a separate thread on Hot Air to argue that it is not so or to verify it is the God’s honest truth.

technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM

JeffinOrlando on March 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

There is already a third party. It’s called SarahPAC.

technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I never thought I would side with looney people – but as a conservative, after seeing this bonehead not be able to answer THIS question properly….. is it time to let the republican party die and go with a third party?

I know how you feel.

I guess one argument against that idea is that the GOP would dissolve into too many factions, so conservative would never prevail in elections… at least not for many, many years.

At the end of the day, I personally have never given who is the RNC Chairman much thought, so I don’t really think that he matters — if he is a competent administrator. My concern with Steele is that he has not shown any administrative acumen (since taking this job)… AND he’s doing a disastrous job in the media. But if we chuck Steele now, it seems to me that the likely scenario is that an insider will replace him, as the “safe” choice. Personally, I think that the “insiders” are largely responsible for us having McCain as our candidate, the mishandling of Palin’s roll-out, and us losing the election. So I’d like to see Steele get his feet under him administratively, stay off the tube, and give him 6 months for all of this stuff to die down. Then, re-evaluate where we are in terms of preparations for the mid-term elections.

Meanwhile, I hope someone materializes as a good replacement for Steele, assuming he fails to impress in 6 mos.

Maybe Romney would be a good choice for a year or so…

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Steele Was Appointed To “Show” The Left Leaning Voter, That The Repubs Were “Hip” To The Beliefs And Ways Of Todays Society. A True Conservative Only Wishes To Appeal To The Wise, And Is Not Whoring Himself (Herself) To The Left. Reality Check – The GOD Of Light Wants All Embryos Protected (Even In Rape & Incest). Yea, Are They Not Man, And Sacred In His Sight? Unless This Truth Is Acknowledged At Step One, Where Is Your Leadership? Concerning The Argument Of “They Would Be Destroyed Anyway, Shouldn’t We Use Them For Stem Cell Research?”, Let Them Be Destroyed With Honor, Or Buried, Treated As Sacred Human Entities (Not Experimental Disposable Commodities). There Is No Middle Ground, You Either Believe They Are Sacred Entities And Deserve Holy Reverence Or You Discard This Honor. “Because You Are Lukewarm, I Spew You Out Of My Mouth”, “What GOD Has Joined Together, Let Not Man Put Asunder”

GD on March 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM

“What people who are “pro-choice” need to try to appreciate is that for pro-life people, abortion is about killing an innocent person”

Everybody knows that. Nothing earthshaking in your statement.

are secondary to the embryo’s or fetus’ right to life.

The pro-life movement is about fertilized eggs. Let’s stop the diversionary tactics of fetuses. If this were about late term abortion only, the issue would have been settled a long time ago.

We are all in this thing together, men and women, so on every issue, it’s important that everyone’s opinion be respected.

Opinion yes. Pontificating no. One of the argument in support of the Texas law banning abortion which was overturned by Roe v. Wade was that it prevented promiscuity on the part of single women. Is this really the government’s business? I mean, to prevent promiscuity of single women. What about promiscuity of single men?

I don’t have kids, but I pay taxes for schools and I expect that my opinion about how those schools are run to count every bit as much as the folks next door with two kids.

Different. Totally different. People are asking you to pay for something so you do have input just on that basis. It has nothing to do with having or not having children.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Personally, I think that the “insiders” are largely responsible for us having McCain as our candidate, the mishandling of Palin’s roll-out, and us losing the election.

Maybe Romney would be a good choice for a year or so…

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

McCain won by getting a plurality of voters against fractured opposition. Something like being the tallest midget. If the primaries were in a different order, probably someone else eeks out a victory.

Mitt wouldn’t be party chairman. Anyone wanting to keep their options open for 2012 wouldn’t.

dedalus on March 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Unfortunately, Howard Dean didn’t live up to my worst fears. He learned to keep his mouth shut (as much as Howard Dean can) and did a relatively good job of unifying the Democratic party and raising cash.

Conversely, Michael Steele has far exceeded my worst fears. He is like a heat-seeking missle looking for places to explode. I believe that, as a minority, Steele believes he needs to get all the exposure he can. Unfortunately, he is a loose cannon, and wants to appease the interviewer rather than representing the best interests of the party. Limbaugh, Hughley and now the GQ interview.

Steele has been an embarassment to the party and has created disunity. There are already calls for his resignation, including one from a RNC board member is an African-American woman. There are three current threads on Steele at RedState, which illustrates the turmoil he has created.

The problem wasn’t selecting a black man (although race should not be a factor). Ken Blackwell was the obvious choice, but, once again the ruling class in the GOP made the decision.

Like others on this thread, I will make all my contributions to SarahPAC until the GOP proves it has its game together.

bw222 on March 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Always interesting to see the pro-choice commenters come out in force with every abortion/sexuality post on this site. (did ernesto/lorein post yet?) I think for many of those posters here who are pro-choice, they probably know someone who’s had the procedure or the like. I think it comes down to that for some people–possibly a majority–they are just callous. From those of us in business world, people are out for themselves and many don’t have ethical qualms. People can justify anything, and for some, a fifteen minute procedure is more preferable than a lifetime of responsibility. But that will never change what side is truly right; when you look into the eyes of a child, you see “true hope”. As the director of Babel said, children are the brightest light in the darkest night.

IR-MN on March 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Norwegian on March 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I have a feeling even less money will be going to RNC after Steele’s latest gaffe.

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Did you know that the original feminists where anti-abortion and it was two MALE doctors who persuaded the movement to champion the “pro-choice” cause? Curiously enough, these men arguable had a financial interest in it.

So what? The reality is that women have had abortions (or caused miscarriages) since the beginning of time. It is so condescending and inaccurate for the pro-life movement to act as if women are innocent victims of abortion doctors bent on making a profit. Women know exactly what they are doing. They are the ones going to the doctor’s office, not the other way around.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Different. Totally different. People are asking you to pay for something so you do have input just on that basis. It has nothing to do with having or not having children.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Are you saying people who don’t pay taxes — or who are on government assistance — should not be allowed to vote?

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM

I think for many of those posters here who are pro-choice, they probably know someone who’s had the procedure or the like.

The reality is that pro-lifers also know people that had abortions. Just because people don’t tell you and it doesn’t mean they did not have one. Let’s face it. Nobody likes to be called a baby killer so they just don’t say anything and go about doing what they want.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Are you saying people who don’t pay taxes — or who are on government assistance — should not be allowed to vote?

I am starting to think so. Too many people with no skin in the game are able to vote benefits to themselves at the expense of others. This will lead to end of our democracy.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Maybe Romney would be a good choice for a year or so…

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Why do we keep ruminating over the same old names here? It’s time to start thinking outside of the box.

How about someone like John Kasich?

Knucklehead on March 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM

He needs a teleprompter

notagool on March 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM

The party needs to cut their losses NOW and move on. Then, it will have been forgotten when 2010 rolls around.

Keeping this guy around is going to hurt and we are going to have to get rid of him sooner or later.

For once, do something quickly and can this dude.

The Wall on March 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM

“The reality is that pro-lifers also know people that had abortions. Just because people don’t tell you and it doesn’t mean they did not have one. Let’s face it. Nobody likes to be called a baby killer so they just don’t say anything and go about doing what they want.”

Minnesota has one of the lowest rates of Abortion in the nation. We have quite a lot of pro-life Democrats in this state. Just because NY/CA has adopted your value system, doesn’t mean the rest of the country has.

IR-MN on March 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM

“What people who are “pro-choice” need to try to appreciate is that for pro-life people, abortion is about killing an innocent person”

Everybody knows that. Nothing earthshaking in your statement.

So if you know that it is a life-and-death issue for people who oppose abortion, why are you offended when they are passionate about their positions?

are secondary to the embryo’s or fetus’ right to life.

The pro-life movement is about fertilized eggs. Let’s stop the diversionary tactics of fetuses. If this were about late term abortion only, the issue would have been settled a long time ago.

I’m not sure what you found less than straightforward by my post. I merely included the word fetus out of an effort to be accurate, not as some sort of diversionary tactic. The fetal period begins 8 weeks following fertilization — many abortions (over 39% in the U.S. based on 2004 statistics that I found) occur after that point.

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

How about someone like John Kasich?

Knucklehead

Agreed. Romney, Palin, Giuliani all damaged goods. Time to start fresh. Kasich, Sanford, Jindal, Ryan….

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Isn’t it amazing that the woman (Sarah Palin) accused of going ‘rogue’ during the campaign is now the recipient, through SarahPAC, of thousands of contributions from other GOP rogues (the base) who are presently refusing to donate to the RNC, for a variety of reasons.

Again for those who want a third party, SarahPAC is the 3rd party.

technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM

After his recent performances, I doubt that anyone has a clear understanding of what Mike Steele believes.

Worse, the Agitprop Media knows that he can be walked into damaging statements and admissions on any subject. He’s a sitting duck, an evolving disaster.

The RNC has got itself a big mess, here, with no clear solution. I don’t think they can Can him without doing major PR damage. Maybe hire someone to help him with Media, so that he can get to organizing, fundraising and hiring, ahem. If he can live with this new arrangement, fine; if he can’t, he probably resigns, which is ok too.

james23 on March 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM

How about someone like John Kasich?

Knucklehead on March 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM

He might be a choice. Is he a talented executive? I only know him from occasionally seeing him on tv as a host.

The only reason I raised Romney is that he is a potential 2012 candidate who doesn’t have a job right now, but who is widely acknowledges as being a talented executive. It would give him a chance to work in a capacity that would require him to show his true stripes (much as Steele has just done) which would either eliminate him as a candidate acceptable to conservatives or establish him as a candidate who could attract broad support.

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Time to start fresh. Kasich, Sanford, Jindal, Ryan….

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Do you want Jindal or Sanford to quit their jobs to become RNC Chairman?

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I am strong pro-life, and I interpret what Steele said as following the rule of law as long as Roe is still the law of the land. Pres. Bush made a similar statement when asked how he would react if one of his daughters planned to have an abortion. Ironically, W articulated his point much clearer than Steele did.

litebrite on March 12, 2009 at 1:06 PM

So if you know that it is a life-and-death issue for people who oppose abortion, why are you offended when they are passionate about their positions?

Who is telling you not the be passionate? Just don’t be sanctimonious about it.

Chekote on March 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Mitt wouldn’t be party chairman. Anyone wanting to keep their options open for 2012 wouldn’t.

dedalus on March 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

but why not Mitt? Executive knowhow is his forte, he’s pretty good on his feet, and its not like he has a more important job to do right now. Sarah, Jindal and Sanford have states to run. What’s Mitt doing, other than rigging the occasional straw poll? Newt, Fred, rudy, any of these guys would be far superior to Steele, as well.

james23 on March 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

If there is one unbelievably underreported story in the national political arena it how much more swollen the coffers of SarahPAC have become in the last 2 weeks because of Steele’s perceived indiscretions against Rush Limbaugh and those who favor pro-life positions, and general unhappiness with the GOP members of Congress.

technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 1:09 PM

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