Obama VA: Let’s charge vets for care on service-related injuries

posted at 10:57 am on March 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

If the Obama administration wanted to come up with the most politically offensive policy it could imagine, within the bounds of reason and reality, what elements would it have to include?  Insulting veterans and looking like cheapskates in a time when massive government outlays to private industry would certainly help it along.  Comes now Hero of the Anti-War Left, retired General Eric Shinseki, who wants to save a few bucks at the Veterans Administration by making men and women injured in the service of our country pay for their care:

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance. …

No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly, but veterans groups wrote a pre-emptive letter last week to President Obama voicing their opposition to the idea after hearing the plan was under consideration.

The groups also cited an increase in “third-party collections” estimated in the 2010 budget proposal — something they said could be achieved only if the Veterans Administration started billing for service-related injuries.

Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under “consideration.”

“A final decision hasn’t been made yet,” he said.

Let’s see.  The same administration that wants to give tens of billions of dollars to GM, Citigroup, AIG, and a host of other banks and manufacturers wants men and women injured in service to their country to pay for the medical care that arises from these injuries?  In what universe does Shinseki and the Obama administration live, anyway?

And people used to complain that Bush didn’t care enough about veteran care – even though he increased the VA budget by 56% from 2001 to 2008.  Bush never offered the notion that the nation should shirk its duty to those who gave their health for the defense of America, especially not in the same week in which his administration signed a record omnibus bill with 8,000 pork items in it.  In fact, I don’t think any administration has ever signaled such a policy, mostly because previous administrations weren’t dumb enough to try it, let alone crass enough to consider it an area to save a little cash.

Obama said he wanted to bring bipartisanship to Washington, and he may succeed here — by annoying both Democrats and Republicans.  Patty Murray (D-WA) declared that any such suggestion would be “dead on arrival” in the Senate.  Richard Burr (R-NC) told Shinseki not to count on that revenue stream.  If Hope and Change means dunning wounded warriors, Capitol Hill will say thanks, but no thanks, in as united a voice as one can imagine these days.

It’s just another incompetent moment in an administration trying to set a record for them.

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Primary or secondary, I do not care.

We should provide full coverage, great coverage, for the men and women in the military.

Not one single person who has faced what they have faced should ever have one moments worry over their healthcare.

myrenovations on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Yeah, it does. The cost burden is shared within a pool. The net effect of this is that premiums would be increased for all purchasers of insurance from that company.

No it doesn’t.

If I go out and get 10 points on my driving record because I’m a crappy driver, my auto insurance will skyrocket.

Your health insurance does not go up because you’re sick.

Now yes, if you’re in a small pool, it can go up if one individual suffers a catastrophic illness.

That’s not how these insurance companies will be billed. By the time these guys get to the VA, the trauma is over.

The insurance companies will pay part of the cost for rehab, physical therapy etc., and that’s dependent on how the policy is written, so some of the insurers will pay nothing. The veterans will not be hurt by this.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

This doesn’t surprise me one single bit.

My shoulder regularly slips out of socket as a result of the side of a building falling on it after being knocked loose by a wild RPG in Iraq. The Army refused to fix it for the 4 years that I remained in service after it happened, and since then the V.A. has refused to pay for any treatment or disability.

I can’t even throw a baseball, football, or do overhead lifting, and the V.A. considers me 0% disabled.

You should all know that your country gives the middle finger to those that defend it.

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Dear God, that’s horrible :P

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Wow, cornfed rage!

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM

All right, you spineless worm, go ahead and argue in the defense of forcing a soldier who is shot, in the course of defending the principles of America, to pay for the treatment of that wound, which the government directed him to receive.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM

This really P*SSES me the H*LL OFF! These men and women have sacrficed and laid their lives on the line for OUR FREEDOMS…. and the FREEDOM to elect an effin MARROON like THE O.

CynicalOptimist on March 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM

We should be giving these folks a house, a car, a pony … not a medical bill.

yo on March 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

Vets may very well be better off with private insurance if that meant access to private doctors, instead of relying on the V.A., but if they want to go that route then the government should cover the costs of the premiums.

But this is odd in itself since Obama wants to put private insurers and out of business, and restrict our rights to see private doctors.

Buy Danish on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Wow, cornfed rage!
capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM

You should use your library time-slot more effectively, maybe research available jobs in your area or something. An hour can go by quick.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

This is exactly what you get when you elect a “Community Organizer in Chief”, and throw him into the presidential “on the job training program”….this man is in over his head, and unfortunately when he falls, he is going to take us with him.

NotPC on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

I just sent my enlisted guys over this drill weekend to pick up the new, gawdawful new working unis the Navy just came out with for E-1 to E-6 and they didn’t pay a dime for them.
NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Uh oh…worse than the bell bottom crap I wore back in the day? I don’t suppose you have a link to photos of these new uniforms, do you?

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Probably have a big Obama logo on the butt.

Bicyea on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Before this day ends . . . impeach the bum!

rplat on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Cicero43 on March 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM

The Marines buy their own uniforms, however we got a yearly uniform allowance in our pay.

Is it still to early to call barry’s administration a complete failure?

One
Big
A$$
Mistake
America

jdkchem on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM

That is a couple of big IFS.
I actually do fall in that category. I retired after 22 years and do receive disability, life in the Infantry will do that. I was fortunate enough to get a decent job that I have managed to hold onto, although nothing is certain anymore. As a result I do have private insurance through my work as well as paying for the military insurance called Tricare. The problem with Tricare is finding a provider that will accept it. The reimbursement is lousy and a bureaucratic nightmare for doctors so they prefer not to accept it. (Are you listening Americans who want national health insurance?)
The situation here though is for those wounded in combat who may not be able to get another job or insurance coverage. We owe it to them to provide FREE medical care to them. There should be no strings attached.
I don’t want to play the IF game with this. They should not be forced to get private insurance. Can you imagine the cost of such a policy if you have an injury that will require a lifetime of care? Little thing called pre existing condition ring any bells?
If I lost my job tomorrow I would be totally dependent on Tricare. Not something I want to contemplate.

Just A Grunt on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Uh oh…worse than the bell bottom crap I wore back in the day? I don’t suppose you have a link to photos of these new uniforms, do you?

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM

This is truly hideous.

http://www.new-navy-uniform.com/picture-nsu.html

I saw some in person last weekend, they look like they joined the Valley Forge Military Academy for juvenile delinquents.

Or the Tijuana Marines. Just awful.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Your health insurance does not go up because you’re sick.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Your health insurance is more expensive if you’re unhealthy, if you’re buying it privately, at least. I know that for a fact, because I know someone who has to pay a ridiculous amount of money out-of-pocket. He has to stay with the same company, because he can’t get accepted elsewhere.

capitalist piglet on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

You should all know that your country gives the middle finger to those that defend it.
leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM

This is not true across the board, not true at all.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

You should use your library time-slot more effectively, maybe research available jobs in your area or something. An hour can go by quick.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

I think you meant “an hour can go by quickly“. The library wouldn’t hurt you either, bucko

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Unless .. of course, this is some shrewd ploy for Bam to set up D’s with “pro-military” political cover by attacking him on this.

Of course, that is only slightly less despicable.

yo on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

WTF?! This is reprehensible.

liquidflorian on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

But this is odd in itself since Obama wants to put private insurers and out of business, and restrict our rights to see private doctors.

Buy Danish on March 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM

That’s why he wants private insurers to become the primary payer for those who have double coverage (Vet and private.)

My guess is he will propose the exact same thing for those who currently recieve medicare benefits as retirees, but who continue to work and still have private insurance. Right now, medicare is Primary, and the private insurance is secondary. Watch for that to change,putting more pressure and costs onto private insurers,as a way to weaken them.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

That they would even think of trying to do this, is amazing to me! They underestimate the people of America. I have two Marines, (one is a recon) and believe me, they will have a war on thier hands with the family’s of military men and women. AND THEY WILL LOSE!

MooreMom on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

All right, you spineless worm, go ahead and argue in the defense of forcing a soldier who is shot, in the course of defending the principles of America, to pay for the treatment of that wound, which the government directed him to receive.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I know we have our differences, but when you’re right, I’ll give you credit. Well said!

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Unbelievable.

CP on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Thank you Obama adminstration.. said Micheal Steele. Now If Steele will keep his mouth shut.

Dire Straits on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

This has to be the single dumbest suggestion an Obahmbo official has ever uttered outloud. I…I ..just don’t even have to words to describe how offensive this is. Does Obahmbo have no shame? Is there any value system or conscience in that bumbling moron? Wow. Just Wow.

portlandon on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

This needs to be all over the news tonight!
If this is confirmed like the article says then this needs to be plastered all over the primetime news channels somehow.

Obama needs to be made to answer to this. If the American people do not demand that he denounce this idea publically then we have failed our vets in every way.

Accountability!

HoosierCon on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

My head is spinning…no one sane would propose such a thing.

I’m starting to think Obama isn’t.

Which would also explain a totally empty Treasure Department, and the Keystone Cops behavior of the people he has appointed, his press secretary, etc.

Alana on March 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I think I started wondering about Obama’s sanity, when Maureen Dowd compared him to Mr Spock from TV show Star Trek, in a NYT article. Think about it, she is using a reference to Sci Fi and by extention “Outer Space” I thought at the time, she’s sending code “Obama Is Really Out There”

Dr Evil on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I’m done with these freaks …..everyone go to PatDollard.com and join his new Active group.

It’s time …. let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

This just plain sucks!

I live in Maine Somali-refugee-central, and I’ve been in line at the Walmart pharmacy behind senior citizens, veterans, and the somali welfare cases. The somalis get FREE prescriptions, and the seniors and vets pay through the roof! One senior in front of me had to pay over $400 for their medication!

Something’s wrong with this picture. Question is: when will Americans wake the hell up and do something about this?

ErinF on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

They should not be forced to get private insurance.

Just A Grunt on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

hell no!

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Shinseki was a POS when he disinfranchised the entire spec ops community by insulting Rangers and making their earned beret standard issue for all soldiers. I see nothing has changed!

davenp35 on March 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I never got that either. I guess it was “everybody gets a trophy” comes to the army.

MarkABinVA on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

The insurance companies will pay part of the cost for rehab, physical therapy etc., and that’s dependent on how the policy is written, so some of the insurers will pay nothing. The veterans will not be hurt by this.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Insurance companies derive premium cost from risk shared by all. If that risk increases, so do premiums. The cost of health insurance will go up for everyone buying insurance from that company if they have to pay out larger amounts than when military costs aren’t a part of their risk. It amounts to another tax on everyone buying insurance, whether they are military or not.

a capella on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I live in Maine Somali-refugee-central, and I’ve been in line at the Walmart pharmacy behind senior citizens, veterans, and the somali welfare cases.

Ahh, compassionate conservatism. You guys get a bum rap for being perceived as angry, petty and backward.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

My head is spinning…no one sane would propose such a thing. I’m starting to think Obama isn’t.

Starting??? Well…. better late than never…. I guess…

ErinF on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

I know we have our differences, but when you’re right, I’ll give you credit. Well said!

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I’ll also put our differences aside to say thank you for your service, and for standing in defense of the freedom I love.

As well as to say I am truly sorry for the way the VA has been treating you, and I hope those bastards come to their senses.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Hold on now, is this to take the place of working blues and whites or is this the actual labor “Painting the ship, chipping rust spots, slushing unrep cable” uniform?

The pants aren’t so bad and the dungaree shirt seems like the same thing I wore. The khaki I don’t like because it looks like Marine uniforms, not that I’m dissing the jarheads, but it just looks too similar.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Horrible proposal and will never be accepted.

Not sure what the thinking is on this one but they should apologize for even bringing it up.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I think you meant “an hour can go by quickly“. The library wouldn’t hurt you either, bucko

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

OMG you corrected his grammar!

YOU WINZ TEH INTARWEB!!!

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

TROLL ALERT!

catmman on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Primary or secondary, I do not care.

We should provide full coverage, great coverage, for the men and women in the military.

Not one single person who has faced what they have faced should ever have one moments worry over their healthcare.

myrenovations on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I could not agree more! I would willingly pay more taxes to ensure that our soldiers receive the care and treatments they need and deserve as a result of protecting my liberty!

ihasurnominashun on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

This is not true across the board, not true at all.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Maybe not, but what kind of government considers one soldier’s appendages worthy of replacement more than another’s?

The entire military is ALWAYS treated as a single unit with multiple pieces. From day one you’re taught that individuality has no place in your service, and is a hindrance to the mission. If they screw one of us, they’ve screwed all of us.

Uniformity can’t be applied only when it’s convenient for the military. It must be applied all of the time, or none of the time. If it’s applied none of the time, we will lose our wars.

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Your health insurance is more expensive if you’re unhealthy, if you’re buying it privately, at least.

There isn’t going to be a requirement to buy health insurance.

This is only if you already have it.

If these guys don’t have insurance, they won’t pay a dime for their care at the VA.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Won’t this all be moot when Obamacare rolls out and everyone has free health coverage? Or will vets be the only people who will still have to pay for thier care?

cadams on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Ahh, compassionate conservatism. You guys get a bum rap for being perceived as angry, petty and backward.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

I know dude. We like, totally want people to work for their stuff, which is like so mean.

Don’t you have a drum circle to attend?

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

*NEWSFLASH* folks – the VA already charges a vet’s insurance company. The last appt I had at a VA (last year), they charged my other insurance.

The concept that “the vet isn’t paying, the insurer is paying” is asinine – the vet BUYS insurance. And they have to buy that insurance at a higher rate if they have a significant pre-existing condition (if they can afford it at all).

Was I turned away from my local VAMC when I didn’t have health insurance? No, but that was a long time ago (16 years). There are a hell of a lot more people trying to actively USE the facilities now, with the influx of new vets and the grinding down of the economy. There have always been long lines and long waits at VAMCs; this is one more attempt to winnow out people so they will seek care elsewhere.

Bambi be ticking me off.

asta

asta on March 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Adding insult to injury,there probably is some idiot Liberal
out there that wants to tax veterans per/mile visit to any
hospital,and on wheel-chair mileage!(Sarc)
—————

This almost comes full circle on the ‘I care more about the US Military,and Veterans,see ‘I’m wearing a soldiers brace
let in memory,can’t recall his name,I’m using him to prove I love the Military and BTW,VOTE for ME’ during Obama’s
campaigning!

canopfor on March 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

I live in Maine Somali-refugee-central, and I’ve been in line at the Walmart pharmacy behind senior citizens, veterans, and the somali welfare cases.

You are a liar, LIAR I say. My home state of Minnesota gets the honor of being Somali refugee central, as well as being a new recruiting spot for muslim suicide bombers.

*sings the Minnesota state anthem with pride*

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Red meat extraordinaire!

This proposal has about as much chance of survival as a nekid man, covered in bacon grease, encountering a pack of wild dogs.

Limerick on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Slight O/T

The left-stream media this morning seems to be enamored with the Bernie Madoff story.

So, I’m starting a “FREE BERNIE” CAMPAIGN. If Madoff has to serve one day in prison for bilking investers of 50 billion, then Obama should get life for bilking taxpayers to the tune of trillions.

Rovin on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Wow, cornfed rage!

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I routinely flush better quality sh!t compared to what you are, you contemptible piece of sh!t…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Don’t you have a drum circle to attend?

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Drum circles are idiotic – kind of like tea parties!

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

As far as I’m concerned, any combat vet, past or present, should get free healthcare for the rest of his life, at the doctor of his choice (ie, no VA facilities, but rather like a PPO plan).

Even that falls short of the benefits I think these guys should get. They are the ones who sacrifice most when we call. In fact, I think we should give the Congressional health plan to the vets, and have the Congress use the VA from now on.

JohnTant on March 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM

AMEN!

Mark Garnett on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I’m pretty sure this is Rush Limbaugh’s fault.
/s

Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I routinely flush better quality sh!t compared to what you are, you contemptible piece of sh!t…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Whoa. Looks like someone got an extra does of fiber this morning!

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

You are definitely getting a raw deal from the VA with your situation, but there are others like me and my relatives who have had their needs more than taken care of.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Rovin on March 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Yeah, your poster boy of capitalism is locked.

There will be more .

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Hold on now, is this to take the place of working blues and whites or is this the actual labor “Painting the ship, chipping rust spots, slushing unrep cable” uniform?

The pants aren’t so bad and the dungaree shirt seems like the same thing I wore. The khaki I don’t like because it looks like Marine uniforms, not that I’m dissing the jarheads, but it just looks too similar.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

This doesn’t replace those prison issue looking dungarees, those I believe were replaced by coveralls a few years back.

Exactly, it looks too much like the Marine uniform. Which looks great on Marines. Sailors aren’t Marines.

It’s cheaper to maintain and it’s a year around thing rather than the summer whites and the winter blues, but I still don’t like it.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

This is OT, but connected to the subject of properly thanking our combat troops.

A soldier in Afghanistan doesn’t want to leave his dog Sandy behind when he goes home. His mother is starting a fund to raise $ for Sandy’s airfare.

Here’s the story if you want to help.

http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=244515&ac=PHnws

I know, I know. There are more important things to do with scarce money than fly stray dogs around the world. But Sgt Piece has put his a$$ on the line for us.

dhimwit on March 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Opps, locked up.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

What a wonderful idea! Turn a whole lot of battle trained veterans against the administration. That move would surely please those currently under arms. Makes me wonder just how long this jug eared fool will last.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on March 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Ahh, compassionate conservatism. You guys get a bum rap for being perceived as angry, petty and backward.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

You picked a really bad thread to criticize conservatives as “angry, petty and backward”, lefty.

I notice you didn’t try to defend your president.

capitalist piglet on March 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

This is truly hideous.

http://www.new-navy-uniform.com/picture-nsu.html

I saw some in person last weekend, they look like they joined the Valley Forge Military Academy for juvenile delinquents.

Or the Tijuana Marines. Just awful.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Wow.

One looks like the third runner up in the Air Force Uniform Contest.

The other looks like a Marine wannabe.

Both are unworthy of my Navy.

JohnTant on March 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Ahh, compassionate conservatism. You guys get a bum rap for being perceived as angry, petty and backward.

Listen, jerk…

I’m not compassionate to people who can work, but choose not to. I’m not compassionate toward people who take advantage of others for their livelihood. I’m not compassionate toward these people who choose to have 10 kids they can’t afford. And I’m not compassionate to people live in brand new condos and drive brand new Toyota vans given to them for free by my oh-so-generous state (paid for by the taxpayer).

I am compassionate toward the needs of senior citizens who’ve paid taxes all their working lives. I am compassionate toward anyone who has put their lives on the line to serve this country.

Give me a break.

ErinF on March 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I’ll also put our differences aside to say thank you for your service, and for standing in defense of the freedom I love.

As well as to say I am truly sorry for the way the VA has been treating you, and I hope those bastards come to their senses.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I have to say, just two simple posts here have changed my attitude towards you, perhaps I was wrong in the way I treated you in earlier threads.

To be quite honest, I’m upset about my own situation, as anyone would be, but at least I still have a shoulder. Some of my best friends don’t have hands, some don’t have arms. I’m so enraged about this because it isn’t fair to them. Screw fair, it’s equal to biting the hand that feeds you.

Just the thought of the betrayal of my friends by the very people they gave up a crucial piece of their body to protect boils my blood beyond description.

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

This is by far the most disrepectful thing that could ever be considered. It is bad enough that Clinton started the job of destroying the military now The One wants to punish the men and women who suffered injuries while protecting this country!
I guess that I am a little biased when it comes to our men and women but after 18 years and several deployments and ORI’s and everything else a military family experiences, if something like this happens all bets are off. There will be a national revolt like this idiot has never seen.
Our brave men and women have been crapped on by the anit-war left and even members of congress had to hold a vote, a freaking vote to support our troops. Enough is enough. I am so pissed to even think someone would consider this. Do we not pay enough? The sacrafices we make as a military family we make with pride and honor because we know that it is in the best interest of this country and her people. I have sat in restaruants and listened to people bitch and complain about this war and had to comfort my children on the way home to let them know that not everyone feels that way. We keep a stiff upperlip and take it on the chin more times than not. We hold our heads high and take pride in our sacrafices. I would not change a single thing. I am a better person for going through all of the things that I have gone through. Who knew I could become Mrs. Fixit? I am proud of our service members and would never ever expect them to pay for injuries sustained during a time of war.

milwife88 on March 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Why does this surprise people? The VA is just another govt agency. They gave me the run around when I needed my ankle looked at when I left the service. I can no longer play basketball, run and it will pop out of it’s socket if I even apply too much pressure to he side.

It doesn’t matter what kind of documentation they have to back it up. They are a govt organization just like the department of transportation. They are more worried about their budget than they are the patient on the other side of the counter.

Good luck with your hip. I pray you can find some help from the private sector. The VA will probably try to give you stretching exercises to take care of your hip. They did that to me even though it was documented that the ligaments in my ankle are no longer connected. :)

Again, good luck.

Rogue Traveler on March 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Lemme see if I understand this: we can pay for Osama Obama’s Wagyu Beef and all his gadding about, Air Force Nan’s travel and give Congress a bigass raise, but we can’t pay veterans who were wounded/injured serving their nation?

What the hell kind of stupidity is that?

Shinseki needs to go. Today. So does the child-president who appointed him.

If anyone can make me ashamed of my country, Obama will be The One.

MrScribbler on March 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I think you meant “an hour can go by quickly“. The library wouldn’t hurt you either, bucko
capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

When one chooses to point out grammar or spelling mistakes of others, it pays not to make similar mistakes, or did you intentionally forget the period at the end of your sentence?

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

My guess is he will propose the exact same thing for those who currently recieve medicare benefits as retirees, but who continue to work and still have private insurance. Right now, medicare is Primary, and the private insurance is secondary. Watch for that to change,putting more pressure and costs onto private insurers,as a way to weaken them.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

You are exactly right. It also puts medical care beyond the financial means of many retirees. My secondary coverage through Pfizer has gone up at least 200$/month for the last 6 years, even though it was supposed to be free when I retired. If it becomes the primary insurer, we’re cooked.

a capella on March 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

I was trying also to figure out those Navy uniforms. I definitely wouldn’t want to be crawling around my hydraulic rainforest of a missile mag in either the khakis or the camos.

We did use coveralls a lot, and I ruined a lot of dungarees as well. Underway, most of the uniform regs were very relaxed, and as long as you wore SOME semblence of a uniform, you were usually OK.

(Missing those Nov and Dec CNOPS cruises in the Carribean using my lunch break to work on a tan)

JamesLee on March 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Shinseki was a POS when he disinfranchised the entire spec ops community by insulting Rangers and making their earned beret standard issue for all soldiers. I see nothing has changed!

davenp35 on March 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM

I never got that either. I guess it was “everybody gets a trophy” comes to the army.

MarkABinVA on March 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Just you wait. They may want to boost morale across the board and make ALL branches wear berets.

SPCOlympics on March 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Lemme see if I understand this: we can pay for Osama Obama’s Wagyu Beef and all his gadding about, Air Force Nan’s travel and give Congress a bigass raise, but we can’t pay veterans who were wounded/injured serving their nation?

Yes. That is the deal. Kind of like how America has to pay $600 Billion for George Bush’s Little Iraq Adventure.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Wow…what a moron.

bluelightbrigade on March 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Barack Obama: The political acumen of damp sand.

Bruce in NH on March 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Yeah, your poster boy of capitalism Democratic fundraiser and contributor is locked.

There will be more .

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Yeah, I fixed that for you.

Vic on March 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Horrible proposal and will never be accepted.

Not sure what the thinking is on this one but they should apologize for even bringing it up.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Congratulations to getalife on the occasion of his/her first intelligent post.

DarkCurrent on March 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Yes. That is the deal. Kind of like how America has to pay $600 Billion for George Bush’s Little Iraq Adventure.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

See? Bush’s fault!

I knew It!

catmman on March 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Watch for that to change,putting more pressure and costs onto private insurers,as a way to weaken them.
JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Like you, I was confused by this story, but that makes sense. Those who say “the insurers should pick up the costs” are not thinking clearly because these costs have to be paid by someone or the insurance companies would go out of business.

Everyone (employees and corporations) will have to pay much higher rates. People will then screech that they can’t afford to pay for their insurance. Voila! BarryCare comes to save the day.

Buy Danish on March 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

After this Move by the Obama gang does ANYONE think GUN GRABBING will not be next!! ANYONE???

Dire Straits on March 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I can see it now – A letter in the mail denying coverage to a vet. Sorry EID explosions are not covered under your policy. Better luck next time – SAP.

Obama – Not ready for prime time.

Kuffar on March 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Drum circles are idiotic-kind like tea parties!

capitulus on Mar 12,2009 at 11:37AM.

capitulus:

Obama called,he needs you to get the Community Organizing on the go,apparently,he needs you to do a few illegal
house sittings,so the banks don’t take away the houses from
the poor,

that the ‘Banking Queen’ has promised!

Then after your done,Obama needs you to attend a garden
party,free Kool-Aid,

to organize some ‘Stimulus cash’ to buy more Liberal Votes!!

canopfor on March 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

It is possible to sink a presidency within 2 months without the aid of opposition.

conservative pilgrim on March 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I was trying also to figure out those Navy uniforms. I definitely wouldn’t want to be crawling around my hydraulic rainforest of a missile mag in either the khakis or the camos.

Yah, I’m not sure if that new uni takes the place of dungarees or working dress outfits. I would rather have had the dungaree jeans just from a durability standpoint, even I also usually wore coveralls.

Odd too that they would allow ribbons to be worn on a dungaree type shirt as well as a stitched command pipper on the shoulder.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The sad thing is some Democrap will try to stuff it onto page 797 of a highway construction bill three minutes before congress votes.

Limerick on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Easy to get mad, but at the same time, apply a bit of logic.

Clinton pissed us off more than once, but he was, realistically, a moderate. He was a shrewd politician that knew how to stay afloat, and because of that he managed two terms.

Obama is, to put it bluntly, f***ing up good and proper. He can’t come up with a bit of foreign policy, and countries like Britain are making their frustration with that known. His economic policy is bombing like a brick dropped from an airplane. His domestic policy is limited so far to continuing Bush national security measures.

Effectively, he has done next to nothing, except bring up ideas like ammunition stamping, renewing the assault weapons ban, and so on. Now he’s pissing off the military and ex-military. That takes care of both segments of armed Americans. He’s spending money at a faster rate than any president in history, and far faster than even Dubya did. That’s pissing off working Americans. He’s raising capital gains tax, and giving corporations incentives to leave the country. That takes care of the tax providers.

Do the math. This guy is toast. Enjoy his self-destruction.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Yes. That is the deal. Kind of like how America has to pay $600 Billion for George Bush’s Little Iraq Adventure.

Ok, I’ll bite. There’s an easy way to fix this.

Registered repubs and McCain voters can pay for the $600 billion war tab.

Registered demrats and Obama voters can foot the bill for the MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR (and still-growing) pork.

Sound fair to me.

ErinF on March 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

I think the President will man up and apologize for this outrage.

I watched the General testify about the backlog he is still adding up.

Yeah, the VA is another mess to clean up.

BTW, supporting that criminal Madoff does not help your cause.

getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

a capella on March 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Not that I really have any idea exactly what screwed-up plan we’re all going to end up with, but if your private insurance ever does become primary, and with it a big increase in premiums, you would probably be better off without it altogether, keep Medicare as primary,and get a medicare supplemental, or pay out of pocket for uncovered services. Just a hunch.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I have to say, just two simple posts here have changed my attitude towards you, perhaps I was wrong in the way I treated you in earlier threads.
leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Kinda makes ya all warm-in-fuzzy, don’t it? I had my apiffany with MC earlier too, different thread, but same results, he’s not as wussified as I thought. He loves guns and the Bill of Rights, supports the Military and loves this Country deeply, just is kinda silly with his “big tent” crap… ROFL! So MadisonConservative is no longer MadisonFauxConservative to me, he’s just a “slightly” mixed up Moderate trying to get to real Conservative… ROFL!

Mark Garnett on March 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

BTW, supporting that criminal Madoff does not help your cause.
getalife on March 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

The de-railer got himself a new talking point.

Bishop on March 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Voila! BarryCare comes to save the day.

Buy Danish on March 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Every crisis is an opportunity.

JiangxiDad on March 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I retired back in 1999, for my service related injuries I “earned” during my 13 months as a Recon Marine in Nam, between 1968-1969, and receive my monthly 100% disabled compensation from the VA every month for my efforts there.

Yesterday, I went out to my local VA hospital here at Mather Field in the Sacramento area to have some paperwork done.

I couldn’t get my business done, because for the first time in my experience at this brand new 2 year old hospital, I couldn’t even find a parking space on the VA property it was so full. And, it was just 10:00 a.m.

I had to drive home.

I asked one of the security officers from my rolled down car window, walking his patrol, why it was so full, he told me, “More and more vets enrolling, and NOT ENOUGH SERVICES AVAILABLE”

The hamster and chief, hasn’t got a clue.

But, we already know that don’t we.

Wait I almost forgot…64,000,000 “voting cultists” still just love this guy.

Hopey and Changey at the VA.

Not Over.

1GooDDaDDy on March 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Yes. That is the deal. Kind of like how America has to pay $600 Billion for George Bush’s Little Iraq Adventure.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

You really are a twit! 600B over 6 years compared to what? 3 trillion in the past month from YOUR messiah? Get a grip, ninny.

JAM on March 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

OMG you corrected his grammar!

YOU WINZ TEH INTARWEB!!!

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

TEH INTARWEB Grammar Nazi Committee nullifies the WINZ, the “ly” in question is optional in this instance…

elgeneralisimo on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Yes. That is the deal. Kind of like how America has to pay $600 Billion for George Bush’s Little Iraq Adventure.

capitulus on March 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

You’re comparing the unseating of a genocidal dictator who used chemical weapons against his own people…to Obama dining on gourmet food?

I encounter few people as low on the chain of evolution as you. Natural selection needs to catch up.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Easy to get mad, but at the same time, apply a bit of logic.

Clinton pissed us off more than once, but he was, realistically, a moderate. He was a shrewd politician that knew how to stay afloat, and because of that he managed two terms.

Obama is, to put it bluntly, f***ing up good and proper. He can’t come up with a bit of foreign policy, and countries like Britain are making their frustration with that known. His economic policy is bombing like a brick dropped from an airplane. His domestic policy is limited so far to continuing Bush national security measures.

Effectively, he has done next to nothing, except bring up ideas like ammunition stamping, renewing the assault weapons ban, and so on. Now he’s pissing off the military and ex-military. That takes care of both segments of armed Americans. He’s spending money at a faster rate than any president in history, and far faster than even Dubya did. That’s pissing off working Americans. He’s raising capital gains tax, and giving corporations incentives to leave the country. That takes care of the tax providers.

Do the math. This guy is toast. Enjoy his self-destruction.

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I agree, he’s stinking his name up really fast, Faster than Carter even.

Compared to how it is now, Dubya looks like an angel, and I’ve actually never really cared for him.

leetpriest on March 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Mark Garnett on March 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

The only thing I’m moderate on is my tone, bud. In the scheme of things, you prefer Ann Coulter, I prefer William Buckley(NOT Chris).

MadisonConservative on March 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Y’know, I smell a bankshot:

Cost of medical care goes up, volunteerism goes down, and they have to reinstitute the draft. Voila. Increased (yet again) control of the populace.

MBuck on March 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Isn’t Murray the same wacko that said the collapsed bridge in Minneapolis was Bush’s fault because he wasn’t personally out there fixing the thing?

Ryan Gandy on March 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

If less welfare checks are sent out to the “I’ll have more kids to get more federal money” mothers and fathers of this world, so be it….But our troops deserve 100% full coverage. Period. End of story.

Now, the care they get currently, (and frankly in the past) hasn’t always been the best. I’ve seen it with my own eyes, and can guarantee that government red-tape and political BS are major players in the shortages of medical care to our veterans. And on that note, if any liberal thinks that government run or government provided health-care would be a dream…Go talk to a good share of veterans, (particularly Vietnam Vets), and you may change your mind.

If we provide the care for our veterans…which I believe we should…It should be “gold standard” care. Nothing less would do.

Talismen on March 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

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