Heart-ache: Canadian wise-ass tortured at Gitmo

While I agree this was hilarious,
to people like 18-1

a few points,the USA has killed people while they were being tortured.

Manadel al-Jamadi is the most famous case, he died during a “Palistian Hanging” torture technique and the photos of his corpse we made famous in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

Abed Hamed Mowhoush is another one, who suffered intensely violent beatings leading to his death.

While these cases have made it to the courts and got a conviction there are others that lacked evidence…or rather the evidence met with “unfortunate circumstances” like the case of Nagem Sadoon Hatab.

There are unfortunately many, many examples like this. The USA is committing horrible acts, lessening our moral standing in the eyes of the world and I think more importantly diminishing our selevs. So yes this video was funny in the same way STEPHAN COLBERT is funny, but also in the same way it was laughing at the stawman. The real argument has bloody deadbodies at the end of it not diet coke.

signed with love and as 18-1″liberal hyper-righteousness”

RESTORE DECENCY TO AMERICA. That we can claim to “not be as bad as the Terrorists” is a laughably low standard. OUR VALUES ARE SUPPOSE TO BE MORE THAN THAT AND MEAN NOTHING IF WE ABANDON THEM WHEN WE ARE TESTED.

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM

HMMMM…… rereading my comment and I think it should say

The claim that America is “not as bad as the terrorists is a SAD and PATHETICALLY LOW standard” to hold ourselves too.

Laughable suggested that there could be something funny about the USA having an ever weakening standard of humanity, morality and decency.

Heavy post for a funny video, but reading some of the comments I feel it needed to be said.

As for the videos star………..you need to do a Conservative version of the Colbert show. Or rather a liberal version since Stephan pretends to be conservative while actually making fun of conservativees so err….you know what I mean. You’d be Perfect!

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 12:11 AM

MirCat,
First of all I love “Mumbles”. Everyone should click the link and watch that video. It’s not as funny as “Racoon Stealing Doormat” but that might not be a fair standard to hold things up to.

Secondly I did make a lot of good points so if my english wasn’t clear let me know. I do have a bad habit of writing in the style of a stream of conciousness. I thought the cases I cited were pretty famous but I realize not everyone keeps up to date.
Hopefully this is the case since I like to think the best of people.

However I do realize your post was probably an adhominem attack. Making fun of me since you aren’t informed enough to actually make an argument. That’s just sad and petty

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Boredom mostly…..I had a coffee at 11pm (I knew better but the resteraunt didn’t have decaf). sigh

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Conservative Voice,

I think my previous comment applies

The claim that America is “not as bad as the terrorists is a SAD and PATHETICALLY LOW standard” to hold ourselves too.

I don’t judge my ability as a parent by the fact that my kids haven’t shot up their school, or my effectiveness as an employee because I haven’t stolen from the office. Maybe my standards are just to high?

Also I didn’t draw the line at “sleep deprivation, underwear on the head, water boarding, and annoying music”, I drew it at violence leading near to and in some cases actually causing death. As evidence the cases I just cited.

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 12:58 AM

profitsbeard

Accidentally………..if it was just him I would say yes. But these “accidents” keep happening. How can we keep having so many accidents? I am not saying they intentionally killed him but acted in such a way as for his death to be a forseeable occurence. If I were a prosecuter I would go for manslaughter not homocide, guilty but without the forthought.

Also you seem to say he deserved it? How do you know that without a trial? See my post to Conservative voice on this.
And is your standard really just…well at least we aren;t as bad as they are. Because I reiterate. Sad and Pathetic. I thought our values were freedom, human rights, justice etc. If it is just…wel atleast we aren’t as bad as that guy my mistake.
The next time my husband and I argue I will be sure to point out that I am no “Aileen Wuornos” (prostitute/ serial killer) I sure he will be impressed as to how this fact exemplifies my deep moral values! (sarcasm of course)

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 1:22 AM

ProfitsBeard,

You are pulling out the Geneva Convention.
You might want to read it because the whole reason Bush went to such lengths to have detainees labeled “unlawful combatants” is so that they could weasle out of applying the Geneva Convention. Since, well if you are citing it you must know, it doesn’t allow alot of the torture tactics we have been discussing.

You can’t cherry pick!…

Either we apply the convention or we don’t.
So which is it? Because if we do we are acting immorally AND illegally according to the convention.

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 1:40 AM

With that I am going to try and sleep…but I encourage you to

1. Read the Geneva Convention(Bush sorta made it not apply…but there are still questions as to whether or not doing so was kosher/legal and by your post I can see you don’t quite grasp it)
2. Research the 4 terrorists I mentioned (not saying they are probably not be guilty as sin) just saying our treatment of them makes us guilty of inhumane and unjust acts.

I don’t like the idea of America as an Unjust country and thank you for the opportunity to share some of my knowledge.

Just remember does the fact that I’m not as bad as Prostitute/Hooker Aileen Wuornos actually say anything good about me. Doesn’t mean I have commendable values. Also aren’t values only values if we keep them even when they are tested. Being Fair and Just is easy in Peace times, its when faced with Terror and War that we show what we are really made of.

DustyGreen on March 13, 2009 at 1:48 AM