DNC already starting to attack Sanford ahead of 2012
posted at 7:21 pm on March 12, 2009 by Allahpundit
Not just the DNC, either. In the span of one day, his decision to turn down part of the stimulus funds earned him criticism from the national organization, the Democratic Governors Association, and even James Clyburn, deploying one of his patented race-baiting denunciations. All for a guy who’s barred by term limits from running for governor again next year.
The One’s honeymoon is ending and the stimulus is starting to stink, with those who opposed it in the name of fiscal responsibility the obvious political beneficiaries. They’re nervous.
The DNC sent this note to South Carolina reporters this morning:
The reviews are in, and South Carolinians from both parties are rejecting Governor Mark Sanford’s decision to play politics with $700 million in federal job creation and economic recovery funds. On the same day the Washington Post is running a front-page story on the economic crisis in South Carolina, a bipartisan mix of South Carolina leaders are criticizing Gov. Sanford’s decision to put his personal political ambitions ahead of the people of South Carolina by threatening to reject economic recovery funds that will create or retain jobs, improve education, and complete infrastructure projects throughout South Carolina. As one local paper reports, “South Carolina’s Republican-controlled General Assembly is poised to rebuff Sanford and seek the stimulus money on its own.”
“Mark Sanford is putting his personal ambition ahead of the people of South Carolina by cow-towing to the Rush Limbaugh-led, obstructionist wing of the Republican Party,” said Democratic National Committee Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. “Now is not the time to politicize these practical steps to create jobs in South Carolina and across the country. Governor Sanford should stop playing politics and work with leaders from both parties who want to use the economic recovery funds to help create jobs, fix our schools, reform our health care system, make America energy independent, and lay the foundation for long-term growth in the 21st Century.”
He wants to use a quarter of South Carolina’s stimulus money to pay down the state’s debt and is seeking a waiver from Obama to do so. Exit question: A slam dunk VP choice for 2012, assuming he’s not nominated for president? The GOP will be looking to prove it’s not a regional party by having someone from outside the south top the ticket, so Sanford would provide geographic balance at the bottom. He’s young, he’s got a solid record on ethics (he kept his promise not to run for more than three terms in the House), and he’s a Christian who proved himself willing to stand up for separation of church and state by not endorsing the SC license plates with crosses on them. Toss in his adamant opposition to new spending and a public nauseated by endless bailouts should find him much to their liking circa 2011. I’ll repeat what I asked you the other day: Romney/Sanford?
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Dick Gregory, 76, world famous activist, author, lecturer and comedian, appeared on the radio and television shows of Don Imus … this morning and made an historic announcement in connection with what he called “the inexcusable crisis of humanity in connection with the tragic state of the this country’s economy as a result of the past eight years of greed, arrogance and fear-mongering,” Gregory said.
Yep he won’t eat till it’s fixed.
http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/imus-dick-gregory-to-fast/
Dr Evil on March 12, 2009 at 7:24 PM
him or jindal, either one.
homesickamerican on March 12, 2009 at 7:25 PM
I’m willing to give him an opportunity to prove himself.
I want to see who he helps campaign for in 2010.
I want to see what he chooses to do once his term ends.
myrenovations on March 12, 2009 at 7:25 PM
But BO just claimed crisis not as bad as thought. Was all this manufactured to guarantee democrat victory in November?
Wade on March 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM
OK, Romney/Sanford 2012, that’ll work.
Johnson on March 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Sanford is a contendah!!
notagool on March 12, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I like Romeny, he’s got a great head on his shoulders, but some people don’t like Mormons. We shouldn’t take unnecessary chances in 2012; Sanford it is.
Trent1289 on March 12, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Wow, judging from the look of that guy, something BIG better happen tomorrow or he’s a goner.
BigWyo on March 12, 2009 at 7:28 PM
The Palin gushers will be outraged that he doesn’t mention God in every speech.
Speedwagon82 on March 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM
We should get used to this. With the newer improved super-organized progressive movement we’re going to see groundswells of talking points that flood the media from every direction.
We really need to counter this with our own form. Maybe AP can start the conference call.
hisfrogness on March 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM
The sad part is that if you look at Sanford’s record, it’s one of the best and most sound on fiscal responsibility compared to anyone else in the Republican primary field.
The sad part is, he’s not “sexy” enough.
Notorious GOP on March 12, 2009 at 7:33 PM
OT: Good news everybody, Obama has declared the economic crisis not as bad as he thought, and that he is the “object in chief.” Finally I can sleep well at night.
Johnson on March 12, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Speedwagon82 on March 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Actually, Palin gushers will be outraged by people who turn a thread that has nothing to do with Palin and only a tiny tangential God component into another Palin/God/Christianity thread.
innominatus on March 12, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Did anyone catch Pawlenty on some show or other(can’t recall exactly, sorry)describing all the strings and hoop jumping connected with the stimulus money? After listening to him, I don’t blame anyone who turns it down. My general, over all impression was that it could only be used in ways that supported o’s agenda, though Pawlenty did not say this.
jeanie on March 12, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Does this guy have the now-obligatory unwed teen mom in his family?
benny shakar on March 12, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Isn’t it time for Steele to attack in Nevada?
tarpon on March 12, 2009 at 7:35 PM
innominatus, c’mon, a 2012 thread that has nothing to do with Palin?
Speedwagon82 on March 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM
“cow-towing” (?)
Is that, like, pulling an angus behind your pickup?
(And the dude’s a communications director….)
Kowtow
notropis on March 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I see this as a dress rehearsal in the manner of making sure every tactic is working, every person knows their role and that the overall strategy is being executed to perfection.
Obama and his merry men and women are preparing for Sarah. I know that and they know that I know that.
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Is this talking point actually effective?
Has it hurt Jindal one iota?
gabriel sutherland on March 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Leave Anne Dunham out of this. Please.
notropis on March 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Oh yeah, and Phil Bredesen is putting his future political ambitions ahead of the people of Tennessee, but he’s a Democrat so these talking points are, um, truthy.
gabriel sutherland on March 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I called that one a long time ago. Linking Obama to Mugabe is not going to do anything but give Dems live ammo with which they will accuse all Republicans of being a bunch of bigots.
Those of you who choose to call Obama Ogabe not only disrespect the office you do your party a disservice. Obama is a left-winger for sure. But America is not Zimbabwe — not by far. Show some creativity by basing your arguments in reality tenuously-racially-tinged, tired puns.
Remember how stupid you thought “Bushitler” was? Look in the mirror — you’ve committed lamicide.
The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Romney/Jindal or Romney/Sanford will equal 16 years of competent, ethical leadership in the White House.
sheryl on March 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Dick Gregory – bon appetite, asshole!
GarandFan on March 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Sanford/Palin
or Sanford/Romney
not the other way around
funky chicken on March 12, 2009 at 7:38 PM
If the DNC is after him, that is a good sign. That shows they are worried.
echosyst on March 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Speedwagon82 on March 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Well, OK. But it’d be nice to just have a discussion about a good conservative doing the right thing despite immense pressure – which Sanford seems to be doing.
innominatus on March 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM
You want a negro-head cookie or something? Who cares if you called it?
The Race Card on March 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM
ReoSpeedwagon sees Palin in every reflective object,behind every shrub, & hiding under his bed.portlandon on March 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM
palin 2012. no one else has a chance
ousoonerfan15 on March 12, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Hey, back off the unwed teen mom thing. I am interested in him, think we have some good competition in the primaries. Still want to see if Palin or Jindal run this go around.
catlady on March 12, 2009 at 7:40 PM
I like Sanford over Romney by a long shot. I hope Romney never runs again. Who knows where he’ll stand anyways by 2012.
V15J on March 12, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Although I’d vote for Romney/Sanford
I just like Sanford better
funky chicken on March 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Fine. How about Argentina?
gabriel sutherland on March 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Jindal & Sanford are both good governors. However you can’t have 2 southern conservatives running on the same ticket. This works for Democrats (Clinton/Gore) but not Republicans.
Sanford/Palin
Palin/Jindal
Palin/Fill in the blank.
portlandon on March 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM
What!? No mention of God!? Outrage!
oh yeah . . . GO Palin!
geckomon on March 12, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Are you secretly Allahpundit? You seem to fan the flames a little.
portlandon on March 12, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Did The Race Card just pull the race card on his self?
Johnson on March 12, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Sarah Palin is a wonderful woman and I believe she can be the first female POTUS, but I don’t believe 2012 is her time. She’d be better off with another term as governor then have a run at the office.
Or if she doesn’t run for governor, strategically she would be better off retiring from politics for awhile and help built the conservative brand name by becoming an Oprah like spokeswoman.
If the RNC was really interested in getting the conservative message and vision of America to seep into the collective mindset of the moderate middle they have to start seriously looking into promoting a woman to the level of someone who has the popularity and daily podium like an Oprah Winfrey or a show like The View. And the only woman who could do it is Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin has so much star power that politics might not be the best use of her abilities right now. What the GOP needs most is help in rebranding what conservatives stand for. Sarah would be terrific doing this very necessary job.
sheryl on March 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Who cares what freakin part of the country he’s from? Can we please quit worrying about such dopey issues. He’s got conservative principles, knows his stuff, and is the most fiscally conservative governor in the country. Would make a great candidate in 12.
therightwinger on March 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I’m thinking that Sarah will not run in 2012. If she does not, I think she will have made the right decision. It’s too soon after the terrible treatment she got at the hands of the left. Too many who will recall and it may predjudice them against her however unfairly. Think she would be wise to wait–she’s young enough to do that and will be more seasoned and credible if she does–making it hard for the left to tear her down.
jeanie on March 12, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Bite me.
AubieJon on March 12, 2009 at 7:48 PM
no portland, Im just saying Palin is the best hope for the GOP in 2012. I think you agree with me on that
ousoonerfan15 on March 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Hum?
Can anyone tell me of single accomplishment that Sanford can claim?
Just one.
The last I heard, his state was so broke he had to “borrow” money from the Feds just to pay unemployment. Sanford waited until the very last possible second to request the funds. His reason for holding off until the last minute????
Apparently he wanted an audit done. Of course, it was an audit of the people that he employed.
So the unemployed people in his state were held hostage while he played games with the people that work for him in his own department.
Ethics reform?
Sanford said he could not get anything done as far as ethics reform is concerned because there were too many entrenched good ole boys in the legislature.
Now would we have tolerated this response from Palin or Jindal? Both of them managed to get ethics reform passed in their first year.
So really, name a single accomplishment of Sanford?
kcarpenter on March 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Um…does a Sanford/Palin ticket qualify as balanced North/South?
Johnson on March 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Dueling banjos.
His style of commenting is his version of being centrist.
That or he’s channeling Johnathan Winters.
geckomon on March 12, 2009 at 7:52 PM
AubieJon on March 12, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Ouch!!! Sheath those claws!
catlady on March 12, 2009 at 7:52 PM
You Betcha
portlandon on March 12, 2009 at 7:52 PM
kcarpenter on March 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Valid points , will be interesting to see the primaries if he decides to go for it.
catlady on March 12, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Sounds like a good pair to me
Solid as a big Oak tree
Come 2012 though the voters may be so much in an Obama induced funk
That they’d even vote for a turtle and a skunk
MB4 on March 12, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Worked for B.O.
geckomon on March 12, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Bring it, bi*ches. Dims have the dimmest dim evah.
HornetSting on March 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Texas Gov Rick Perry has also rejected the funds siting all the strings attached. He points to the permanent increases in unemployment benefits that would raise taxes on businesses. Texas is still doing fairly well unlike the blue states. Maybe he should be added to our possibles list with Jindal, Palin and Sanford.
South Carolina for some reason is struggling a bit with one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. I know there is a few residents here maybe they can chime in and explain why. Is the tourism industry being hurt by the down turn?
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Nicely done. A round of applause.
sherry on March 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Bunny shaker, you shouldn’t talk about your mom that way. It’s creepy.
HornetSting on March 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Deflecting attention once again, due to this type of news coming down the pipe on a daily basis. Most corrupt administration evah!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123682571772404053.html
Just think folks; the MSM is providing cover best they can for these POS thugs, and they still can’t hide the corruption.
Keemo on March 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM
So which do you consider the “sad part”? The first part or the second part of your statement? Or maybe both?
I don’t know if I might have missed the sarcasm that may have been intended here, or perhaps it is inherent in the contradictory nature of these 2 disparate statements, but why do we have to make sure our candidates can win a beauty contest before we get behind them? I was sold on the first sentence. The second one was unnecessary.
We are not supposed to be the shallow, self-loathing party. Those, uhm…qualities have been claimed, and indeed, territorially defended by the libs for many years. We have the American Idle(not a typo) in the WH now; why would we want to put in another one?
TASS71 on March 12, 2009 at 8:04 PM
jeanie on March 12, 2009 at 7:47 AM
Wait for what; wait and see the Messiah destroy America: it economic system, the suppression of liberty, causing one to fall into depression rather than pursue happiness, to have one’s actions completely controlled in a nanny-state, and to live in a permanent totalitarian one-party state with Obama as President for the next 40 years.
Sure there is always a chance Sarah might wait, but with her PAC SarahPAC zooming right along raising massive amounts of money originally slated for the RNC but because of Steele and the poor performance of the GOP members in Congress now being diverted to Sarah’s coffers there is a much better chance Sarah will go in 2012.
Let me put it this way jeanie, her GOP opponents are praying every night that Sarah doesn’t run.
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Remeber folks four weeks is a long time in politics these days and four years is an eternity so much can happen. We need to be concentrating on 2010 before we even think about 2012.
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:12 PM
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Absolutely goat… 2010 couldn’t be more important to take back Congress and send the Piglet packing back down to the basement where the b***h belongs.
Keemo on March 12, 2009 at 8:13 PM
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM
If she runs, I will support her. But, still think she will be making a mistake. Not enough time will have passed and the Dems have only escalated the hate game on all fronts–she would be targeted mercilessly in my opinion. If she has a long record of generally successful political achievement, the attack will bounce off. I think her chances would be better in 2016. I’m interested in how you know about possible RNC money being diverted to Sarah? I’ve been giving to the RNC in the hopes of reclaiming the Senate and more of the House in 2010.
jeanie on March 12, 2009 at 8:15 PM
OK Allah, I’ll accept Romney/Sanford, as long as Sarah Palin agrees to head the Department of Energy.
Whatcha Think?
Amadeus on March 12, 2009 at 8:15 PM
I can’t wait for the “Billboards!”
JoeySlippers on March 12, 2009 at 8:16 PM
wow, the DNC is doing something constructive (from their perspective). when will the RNC try that?
kelley in virginia on March 12, 2009 at 8:16 PM
VP? Man only if the Prez is Romney. Otherwise Mark Sanford way outweighs, Palin, Jindal & Pawlenty. Palin & Jindal need to sit this one out and get more experience running their states, sort of a Farm Team for ’16 or ’20.
Pawlenty will run, but he’s like milk toast compared to Sanford, Minnesota Nice won’t play on a national scale, not after Obama. (I love Pawlenty, but not for Pres, maybe cabinet position somewhere?). Sanford has a great wife too (as does Pawlenty) but -so far- Sanford is my guy for 2012.
mngirl on March 12, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Don’t tease me bro!
loppyd on March 12, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Huh? I’m a Palin Gusher but its got nothing to do with God.
Palin Rocks and is one of the strongest people I know.
Amadeus on March 12, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Perry did the right thing but he’s been really weak on the border issues.
BrianA on March 12, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Romney-Sanford 2012!!!!!!!!!
Sounds a lot better than Huckabee-Palin!
joncoltonis on March 12, 2009 at 8:31 PM
I really don’t know much about Sanford but can anyone tell me why South Carolina has such high unemployment. It seems something isn’t being done right there since most of the other red states are weathering the storm fairly well.
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Sanford will be painted an idiot racist by the media.
And just like with Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich – we’ll all buy it.
HondaV65 on March 12, 2009 at 8:33 PM
jeanie on March 12, 2009 at 8:15 PM
All you have to is read the various threads on Hot Air, Free Republic, Townhall.com, conservatives4palin.com etc that many conservatives are refusing to donate to the RNC now because of what Steele said about Rush Limbaugh, the 3 RINO’s who voted for the stimulus bill and the lackluster performance of the GOP in Congress and then all this was confirmed when Rush Limbaugh went on a rant against what Steele said about him on the DL Hughley show and mentioned in his rant that people are mailing back requests for money back to the RNC and hanging up on RNC telemarketers requesting funds and telling anybody in the know in the RNC that they will be only giving to SarahPAC in the foreseeable future.
jeanie, when I am talking about a diversion of funds, what I am saying that thousands and maybe tens of thousands of conservatives and Republicans have decided not to send any more money to the RNC and DIVERT what they would have given to the RNC to SarahPAC.
To be honest if you are a RINO, with all due respect, you will not be happy. But if you are a Reagan conservative and believe in life. liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, fiscal responsibility and pro-life and you want to make gains in or take back Congress you will like what you see from SarahPAC: the mission statement of SarahPAC is to elect to office like-minded conservatives.
In April SarahPAC will announce its 1st quarter numbers. We all will know then what kind of force Sarah Palin will be on the American national landscape.
But what I have said on other threads for those who are looking for a 3rd party you have somewhere now to deposit your money-at SarahPAC.
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM
I love my Gov!
scmommy on March 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM
I’m thinking Palin was one of the first to bring up the problems with the stimulus and the strings attached.
She’s got great political savvy, if she thinks the time is right in 2012, she will run.
Palin/(insert name her) 2012
husker3000 on March 12, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Sleazy CNN on Campbell Brown’s program going to interview a girl from SC claiming that her school is in rough shape and sure could use some of that stimulus money that Sanford is turning down. Guess who this is supposed to influence: that’s right the subject of this thread-Mark Sanford.
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM
I think it is effective, which is why the Dems keep saying it. Over and over. Without any coordinated or effective Republican response. We’re getting killed on this. Not necessarily the relevant govs in their states, but as a national message this is effectively defusing our message.
RNC or somebody needs to put this idea out there, that the stimulus is a trap to grow state budgets and governments permanently. We need a nat’l media campaign YESTERDAY on this.
SocklessJoe on March 12, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Absolutely! I get a chuckle reading all these laudatory things about politicians who haven’t been through the Palin wringer yet. A few SNL skits about exorcism, flip-flopping or the podunk South and we’ll have three more unelectable, damaged candidates that no one wants to touch.
ddrintn on March 12, 2009 at 8:39 PM
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM
I am sure Sarahpac is doing quite well but I would be interested in seeing the how Romney’s is doing as well. They both have the same goal of getting conservatives elected and I know Romney has already been sending out funds.
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Romney/Sanford sounds good to me
Defector01 on March 12, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Will somebody tell me why South Carolina is struggling so much under Sanford? They are the only red state with 10+% unemployment rate. Is the tourism industry being hurt by the downturn?
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:43 PM
goat:
Sometime in April we will know where everybody stands. But the only thing I am sure of right now (because of what Rush said about RNC fundraising efforts) is that the RNC is down -why or why would rumors be out there for Steele’s head?
technopeasant on March 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Sanford/Cantor
Palin-Secretary of Energy
John Kasich-RNC Chair
Knucklehead on March 12, 2009 at 8:46 PM
No way they’ll limit themselves to just personal attack this time. No part of Socialism can EVER be optional — that’s the whole point of the philosophy.
logis on March 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Can anyone from S.C. comment?
This is what I found at Infoplease:
In agriculture, tobacco and soybeans now rival cotton as South Carolina’s chief crops. Broiler chickens and cattle are economically important, and peanuts, pecans, sweet potatoes, and peaches are grown in abundance. Fishing is a major commercial enterprise; the chief catches are blue crabs and shrimp. Military bases and nuclear facilities are important to the economy, and the tourist industry today ranks as the state’s chief source of income.
South Carolina’s manufacturing also relies on automobiles as a major sector.
Just my speculation, but the things I highlighted are all areas affected by either the administration’s planned or realized policies and the economy.
Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM
techno, I have always supported giving to pacs and individual candidates over the National committees. Steele needs to get off the TV and do his job fundraising and recruiting candidates from the local level on up. In some ways I like a more behind the scenes operator like Duncan was. I don’t blame the last two cycles on him, they were just part of the usual political cycles.
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM
I looked up his bio — he doesn’t seem to have any executive experience. I’m not sure that he’s the best fit for the RNC job.
I still think Romney would be an interesting choice to chair the RNC for a couple of years.
Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM
He also stared down the Republicans in the SC legislature re: illegals. He won. SC won. Illegals lost.
SouthernGent on March 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM
This could take a while, so I hope he brought his lunch. . . ‘DOH!
smellthecoffee on March 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Thanks, I am suspecting that the tourism industry has been hit hard with the downturn afterall golf excursions can be expensive.
goat on March 12, 2009 at 8:55 PM
The personal attacks are effective enough, even with Republican voters. Look how the MSM defined Palin. It will happen again.
ddrintn on March 12, 2009 at 8:55 PM
I agree, Romney would definitely not be stumbling around wondering what to do, he would turn it into a lean effective operation.
goat on March 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I am just now reading up on him, but I did just check and found that he was one of only three governors to receive an “A” rating from the CATO Institute, so I gather he is a fiscal conservative. (I think Sarah has not been in long enough to have received a grade. My recollection is that Huck got a “D” the last time they graded him.)
Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Sanford is no doubt a very good man and would be a good candidate. But I can tell you a couple of his most important accomplishments for this purpose: 1. He hasn’t been caricatured by late night comedians. Yet. 2. He hasn’t been interviewed by hostile “journalists” under the spotlight.
ddrintn on March 12, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Amend that thing about Palin. CATO doesn’t include Alaska in the comparisons:
Too bad.
Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 9:04 PM
One thing stuck out on his “wiki” page:
Well, maybe that’s two things, actually since I’m not a Ron Paul fan.
I guess that the DNC will say he’s a racist.
Y-not on March 12, 2009 at 9:06 PM
See my above post.
SouthernGent on March 12, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Sandford looks a little like Prince Charles.
Punchenko on March 12, 2009 at 9:23 PM
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