Oh my: Public opposes second stimulus this year by two-to-one margin; Update: Will Collins et al. support it?
posted at 4:45 pm on March 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
It seems like just yesterday that I was wondering if The One had miscalculated by expecting a bailout-weary public to support more than one gargantuan stimulus bill. Oh right — it was yesterday.
Remember to emphasize confidence when you’re pitching this next one, Nancy.
Just 27% of voters nationwide favor passage of a second economic stimulus package. The latest Rasmussen Reports nationwide telephone survey found that 55% are opposed and 19% are not sure.
Despite the public opposition, 74% say it’s likely that Congress will try to pass another stimulus plan before the year is out. That figure includes 45% who say it’s Very Likely that Congress will do so…
Forty-three percent (43%) of Democrats favor a second stimulus package while 32% are opposed. Republicans oppose the concept by an 8-to-1 margin. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 59% are opposed to a second stimulus plan while 23% are in favor of it.
They don’t even have a majority of Democrats on board? Good lord. I’m not sure how seriously to take these results, actually: On the one hand, 63 percent told WaPo just two weeks ago that they expect another stimulus will be needed, and after all, we’ve been warned before that Rasmussen’s issue polls tend to skew towards the GOP position. On the other hand, 61 percent told the Journal last week that they’re more worried about the feds spending too much money than too little (up five points since December) and a Newsweek poll taken around the same time showed 52 percent agreeing that the first stimulus was either the right amount needed or that we shouldn’t have had a stimulus at all (40 percent thought it was merely a good start). Maybe now that the public’s had time to choke on The One’s mammoth $3.6 trillion budget and that $410 billion omnipork spending bill that passed yesterday, the tide has turned and the tap’s being turned off. Or maybe Cool Hand Luke will give another primetime address demanding $800 billion more or else the sun will explode and that’ll flip 15 percent back his way. Through Hopenchange, all things are possible.
Update: Does Obama have the votes to get this thing passed, assuming it even reaches the floor? Specter’s under enormous pressure to vote against it now that Toomey’s mounting a primary challenge. Collins and Snowe are safer bets, but if public opinion really is this sour, even they’ll think twice.
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Silly pollsters. Don’t you know that “he won”? Polls mean nothing. The American people voted for CHANGE in November. And Obama and his merry Marxists are gonna give it to us!
Michael in MI on March 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM
It won’t be long, and the public will oppose Obama by a 2-1 margin…
Keemo on March 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Obama hasn’t really had a chance to campaign, oops I mean lead, on this issue yet, so I’m sure the American people will come around.
BadgerHawk on March 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Give it a couple of days and Obama will make the polls say whatever he wants them to say.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Classic. Well played.
That’s a serious statistic.
Spirit of 1776 on March 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
The Public?
What’s that?
Montana on March 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Must. Stampede. The. Rubes. Again.
Repeat quarterly through November, 2010.
Greg Toombs on March 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Yeah. Self fulfilling, I fear.
lorien1973 on March 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Exactly. The American people fell for his BS for 2 years on the campaign trail and fell for his BS for 2 months already as well. There’s absolutely *no* reason for Obama and the Democrats to fear that the American public will react any differently now. All these silly polls are just a good excuse for Magic Tongue to come out and give a grand soothing speech to the nation to woo them to his point of view. The next day, polls will show the American public convinced and then by the end of the week, the merry Marxists in Congress will pass the legislation.
No worries!
Michael in MI on March 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
It’s hard to argue against that logic. I am, myself, convinced that the economical downturn was aided by the continual screaming from the left during the end of Bush’s second term, rhetoric only I mean, regardless of policy.
Spirit of 1776 on March 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM
joy… another stimulus. What will that be now.. number 3… number 4.. hell number 512?
It will never end now.
upinak on March 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
I wonder what the results would be had the Porkulus actually put any money in the hands of citizens. Maybe if the first one actually addressed the economy there would be no need for one to actually stimulate the economy. Looks like not wasting the crisis has its downfalls, who knew?
msmveritas on March 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Don’t worry, all it will take is one more “historic” speech followed by a week of the press gushing over how intelligent Obama is and the Democrats will be able to push through a trillion dollar stimulus* package.
*this in no one implies a stimulus to anything other than Democratic pet projects.
GardenGnome on March 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Are you part of the 53%?
I am, but I have been saying it for a few months now.
upinak on March 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
The homosexual couple next door, and my sister at Berkeley, assure me that Ogabe’s support isn’t slipping one whit.
-Hail Obama-
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I think now would be a really good time to invest in Nestea and Luzianne products. There’s gonna be a party. And it won’t be pretty.
Key West Reader on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
By the end of this year Bush will be more popular than Obama.
lavell12 on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
…..now we are going to do what we should have done the first time…..we get it…..we heard you…….
‘click’……sorry……see ya……
The Fed gives marching orders to Geithner….who gives orders to the Bamster…..we gotta ‘borrow and spend’ our way out of this……..insane.
Starlink on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Wow, does this portend that the American sheep, er people are finally waking up to Mr Hope and Changes bull shit and are coming to realize HE AIN’T GOT A FUCKING CLUE?
I’m sure Nancy Moneybags Pelosi can put the proper spin on this. Were I her, I would not use the word ‘confidence’. Too close to police jargon for ‘confidence game’.
GarandFan on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
I think the $4 gas prices did it, for the most part. Trebling a basic commodity in such a short period of time could not have positive results.
Also the over-inflated housing prices.
Not to mention the fact that someone (or group) took $500 billion out of banks, almost overnight, which caused the panic in the first place. Why no investigation into that is simply astounding.
lorien1973 on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
oh man.. I feel for you. Want a hug? Since I can’t afford to do much else.
upinak on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
I think that routine has a limited run, even given the stupefied state of the American sheeple. I do think Obama’s got maybe a year’s window before people want their gas tanks filled for free.
ddrintn on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
That just means that there will be checks included in this stimulus proposal.
rw on March 11, 2009 at 4:56 PM
It seems apparent that Obama’s policies will lead to further economic trouble. There are no examples of these programs restoring prosperity.
Spirit of 1776 on March 11, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Bah. I disagree. Go back to 2006-2007 and I know you will find polls showing people believing that we were in a recession when we were clearly not.
I could care less what “people say”. These polls are put out there for the same reason they have always been put out there: to push people into believing things.
“Hmmm, I believe X. Oh wait, this poll says that 53% of people believe Y. Wow. That’s a lot. Well, I must be wrong, so I’ll start believing Y too, since 53% of people believe it. Y *must* be true if 53% of people believe it!”
It’s just a herd mentality. I care what informed and knowledgeable people have to say about the economy. Not 53% of ignorant idiots answering a poll.
Recall all those stupid polls asking people if they think we’re winning in Iraq. Who the hell cared what they thought? What mattered were the facts on the ground, not what a majority of ignoramuses polled thought.
Same thing applies here. Spare me the polls. Show me the opinions of those in the know so I can form an informed opinion on matters. These polls are just a way to make news in light of incompetent journalism and a way to try to make people think a certain way in a herd mentality.
Michael in MI on March 11, 2009 at 4:56 PM
How do you know that $500 billion was taken from banks? I hadn’t heard that but have long suspected someone was screwing with the economy to affect the election.
msmveritas on March 11, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Suit yourself.
Spirit of 1776 on March 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
The perfect word to use in this context, as in the word for a swindler, i.e. a confidence-man.
Fallen Sparrow on March 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Didn’t you hear? Within the year we’ll be going all solar on that stuff.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I’ve had my doubts about polls lately. I think more people are against a second stimulus than 2 to 1.
jcheney on March 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Anyone else find it amazing, simply amazing, that CA’s financial mess has disappeared off the news now that the stimulus has passed?
lorien1973 on March 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Thankfully, we can both still afford pixels, in spite of the Obama-depression. And thanks.
-Hail Obama-
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Nope. We are strapping a cow to our vehicles with a special methane absorbtion vacuum. The only problems are 1. still have to feed the cow and 2. it poops on our back window!
upinak on March 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM
One of the administration people was on Fox Sunday (or some show) and mentioned it in passing.
Here it is.
lorien1973 on March 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Stories about the $500 Billion run last year.
WashJeff on March 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Chimpy will start a fight with Simon and the new porkulus will sail through to passage.
csdeven on March 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Yep, it won’t be long before BO starts talking “catastophe” again. I noticed he stopped using that word the day porkulus passed.
forest on March 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Distraction.
Please check with me before using classic movie references in combination with BO. You’ve ruined another pleasant memory by linking CHL with Boy Wonder.
Pi$$ off.
BobMbx on March 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM
I hope you’re correct. But this has been SOP for the Left and the Democrats since 2004. And I don’t see anyone having found a cure for BDS nor for Obama cult worship. In the face of facts and logic and reason, the Democrats have done nothing but gain more and more power.
Then again, after the elections of 2006 and 2008, I lost all faith in the American public. If we were classifying belief in the American people as we classify belief in God, I would consider myself now an Atheist. America is only as good as its people. As John Adams stated, our Constitution was made only for a good and moral people. I don’t believe America is made up of a majority of those people anymore. Therefor, I don’t believe in America anymore. I believe in the idea of America, but not its people.
People go through times in their life where they lose their faith in God. Well, the last 4 years, I have lost my faith in the American people.
But again, I certainly hope you are correct.
Michael in MI on March 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM
I saw something on Fox this morning that stated each household has spent a little over $18,000 on the stimulus. I know I could use that much cash. My wife and I are lookng to buy a house. Imagine all the people who would go out and spend it right away. I seriously think if the government would have given that amount to the people it would have pulled us out of a recession quicker than what it is being used for now.
txaggie on March 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM
According to some tax preparer people I’ve spoken to, lots and lots of people are under a mistaken assumption that along with their usual tax refund this year, they are also getting something called a stimulus check from the just passed stimulus bill.
They, of course, are not. But people want some checks and the second stimulus will probably give them checks to keep them happy.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Too little, too late.
JoeySlippers on March 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Not to worry. The Obamessiah will go out on the campaign trail and convince his followers that this another stimulus is absolutely necessary to prevent America from sliding into a depression. Just like Tim Geithner is the only man who can fix the mess of the financial system.
ProfessorMiao on March 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Seriously!! Wouldn’t you think the media would be just a tiny bit interested?
Cindy Munford on March 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Try deep-frying it with lots O’garlic. Tastes like chicken. Don’t forget a side of Moose Pellets.
Mmmm…Mmmmm…Good.
(I used to live in AK, eleventy-hundred years ago…’68-71)
BobMbx on March 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM
The institutions failed them, and left them at the mercy of wolves. You could have drawn a freaking roadmap in advance of everything that would happen if Obama and the libs prevailed, signed by Jesus himself, and my family and the people I know would have voted for Obama. They are the sheep Michael. What the hell do you expect from them?
Where the hell are the sheepdogs?
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM
nuggests.
And I am strapping a moose to my exploder. The moose nuggets flying down a road smacking people in the windshield. PRICELESS! and easier to clean.
upinak on March 11, 2009 at 5:08 PM
If they start leaning on the panic button and get their sheep into a baaaaaaaahing frenzy then those numbers and the democrats backing this will probably go up
Defector01 on March 11, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Thats funny. You actualy think they care what the little people think. Its not an election year you know.
sonofdy on March 11, 2009 at 5:11 PM
The Obama people know the sheep well. They know that the popularity of Stimulus is not the threat that any economic discomfort is to their political popularity. They will spend 1 million per job if they have to to rewrite the unemployment numbers down. Long term considerations are not needed for 2 reasons. They need support in the short term for the “Socialism on Steroids” plan and Second the hyperinflation or whatever happens donw the road just becomes a better excuse to make even more people dependent on Government thus accelerating the whole socialist mess. See Soviet Union to see how this increase in socialism goes hand in hand with economic troubles that need more socialism to fix.
Conan on March 11, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I’m imagining a mob of millions converging on the Whitehouse with pitchfork and torchlight while Barry and Tim are playing Wii bowling ensconced inside the walls.
The greatest president ever!
keep the change on March 11, 2009 at 5:15 PM
lorien1973 on March 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM
WashJeff on March 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Thanks for the links. Now can I scream? This is frickin unreal.
msmveritas on March 11, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Gee- I would have thought the public would be cool with anything after $1.2 trillion in additional spending by week #6 of Obamamamamamania.
Chuck Schick on March 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Neutered. Fixed. Shelved. Thats’ where.
Where did it all go wrong? I’ve figured it out, and it aint’ who you think it might be.
Everything wrong with the fabric of America can be traced to a singularity:
It’s name is Lyndon Baines Johnson. The Coward from Texas. Every problem within the government is a result of Mr. Ineptitude himself. Appointing liberal judges who believe there really is “temporary insanity”. Judges who believe as long as the baby is in the womb, it ain’t a person.
Expanding welfare, in fact, promoting it! Housing projects, food stamps, etc….
Possible the only person who thought the Vietnam War worked out pretty well (for him, it did. Who owned Bell-Textron?)
He’s like the Kevin Bacon of everything un-American. Just pull the string of history on any issue in the country; it leads back to LBJ.
Try it…it’s fun.
BobMbx on March 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Lessee here…millions have lost their jobs, most everyone else is worried they might, it’s hard to get credit, the vast majority of us are against any more of this Admin’s/Congress’s ‘stimulus packages’…but the masses still think he’s an awesome president.
It’s like that episode of Get Smart with that cold-blooded KAOS killer Simon the Likable…just couldn’t help but to like the guy. Awwwww.
Dr. ZhivBlago on March 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM
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And by the end of next year the GOP will be able to run Octomom/Cheney for 2012.
Chuck Schick on March 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Great game! I am totally going to try that.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM
aaaaaaaaaa watch out!!!
You might get what you’re after!
Hold tight
Were in for nasty weather
Then we got to be afraid
Burning Down the House
BDU-33 on March 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Let the Craven Criminals on Capitol Hill spend, print and borrow all they want, I say.
This sickening and immoral welfare-welfare state is unsustainable and the more they pile on it, the sooner it will fall. After that, we can get on with the important business of restoring our Constitutional Republic.
Rae on March 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM
My son recently got a long email from childhood friends attending college at Santa Barbara State. These kids were boasting to my son about the fact that Obama was going to come through with his promise by legalizing pot in California. Of coarse these kids (being kids) voted for Obama for that reason, they thought he’d legalize pot. My son made a bet with them, that it would never happen in their lifetime simply because my son knows what a huge cash cow medicinal marijuana is in California, as he did a study on this as a senior in HS in So. Cal… The State of California has a huge marijuana industry, well into the billions of revenue for the state each year. California is bankrupt, and is not about to give up on one of the only remaining cash cow’s they have remaining.
To think, thousands of kids voted for Obama because they believed he would legalize marijuana. What a guy!
Keemo on March 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM
While the poll is uplifting(sorta), the thing that keeps hitting me in the head is 7 or 8 Republicans betraying me at every opportunity. Since when did Adolf Obaeyme ever worry about the will of the people?
MNDavenotPC on March 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM
The public opposed the first one by 60% too. Then THE ONE went on a road trip, told everyone the world would end without the stimulus and suddenly 60% supported it.
You all seem to forget that Americans for the most part are very stupid and easily influenced people. Tell them a lie enough times and they will believe just about anything.
Prediction: Stimulus 2 passes with 65 Senate votes by May 15th.
angryed on March 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Tell you one thing Chuck, the GOP is speaking very loudly to my family right now. In fact, they might just as well be shouting from every roof top in the country. The message is crystal clear. The silence of the GOP and the utter lack of any kind of action while Democrats take our country to a place we have not been before; well, it is very telling.
Keemo on March 11, 2009 at 5:26 PM
27% of voters nationwide favor passage of a second economic stimulus package. The latest Rasmussen Reports nationwide telephone survey found that 55% are opposed and 19% are not sure
That’s 101% of the American public accounted for….
RWLA on March 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM
You may be right. I don’t even understand how Texas created someone like that. As for the sheeple, I just don’t get the point of blaming them, anymore than I blame my dog for peeing on a tree.
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM
The mother of all October surprises.worked like a charm.
neuquenguy on March 11, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Allahpundit seems to have left the obligatory “Heartache,” sub-heading off of this post.
:)
JannyMae on March 11, 2009 at 5:37 PM
And the 500,000 pages will be available for anybody to read 5 minutes before the vote.
neuquenguy on March 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I actually oppose it way more than 2-1… More like a few hundred billion to one. But that’s just me.
RalphyBoy on March 11, 2009 at 5:42 PM
There has been one country who has repeatedly stated that US Economy will go down. The US Capitalist System is over. The US influence is finished. The Great US Power is done…
Anyone? Anyone?
PappaMac on March 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Is this going to have an effect on my $13?
Threshing Flora on March 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM
If the margin is really 2:1 against, the filthy liar will have to worry about more than just Republican traitors like Specter or Collins. I suspect there are more than a few Southern Democrats who would have a very tough time of supporting the filthy liar’s agenda too. They don’t have the safety of legions of mindless Obama supporters to back them up if things go sour.
highhopes on March 11, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Saudi, Chevez land…. should I go on?
upinak on March 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Absolutely not! That $13 of additional income will offset your increased taxes that the filthy liar denies are going on. If you have a good tax planner, that $13 should keep your additional tax bite down to a few thousand tops. This time around.
highhopes on March 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Why Allah? their phone lines and emails were flooded with angry calls before they voted for the first. The just need to hear the sweet voice of The One and they are in.
neuquenguy on March 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM
It should be interesting to see how this is Rush’s fault.
lavell12 on March 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
The public may oppose it now, but more job losses and more talk of another Great Depression and some speeches by Obama and they may get this thing passed.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I gave all I had last year to convince people, to warn people, to lay out all the facts, all the background, all the associations and people figuratively spit in my face, told me f*** off and called me everything from hatemonger, bigot, racist and whatever else.
What is a sheepdog to do when the sheep refuse to listen?
Michael in MI on March 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Oh he will give a speech and it will turn around. He problably do it on his girls new swingset.
tomas on March 11, 2009 at 5:53 PM
The tulip bubble burst.
The dotcom bubble burst.
The real estate bubble burst.
The financial stock bubble burst.
The Obama bubble burst? (wait and see).
MB4 on March 11, 2009 at 5:54 PM
This is exactly what Republicans should be shouting. I have a group of very liberal friends on a literature board, we avoid politics for the most part. When they were all discussing this Porkulus I said then they should give us all the money and let us spend it. Not one of them got back on the Obama knows best spiel. Another point that makes them very squirmy is bailing out the bus drivers who bought $800,000 homes.
One reason Obama won was he was promising tax cuts, homes and all kinds of free lunches. A lot of people thought they were going to be getting mass handouts, so far they got pretty much squat. Rush is right about taking down O’s popularity, it’s not that tough to do.
msmveritas on March 11, 2009 at 5:54 PM
This is a non-problem.
Madame Pelosi and her House of Ill Repute will just roll over and deliver whatever
the JohnCaliph Hussein al-Chicago wants.Of course, the rest of the Congrestitutes will be wanting pay for their services.
SeniorD on March 11, 2009 at 5:55 PM
There was a report of Fox last night that Obama’s people actually thought of using a teleprompter that they could use during press conferences that they could type answers to questions on so he could use it to answer questions. In other words someone else would be answering questions for the empty suit.
lavell12 on March 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Have mutton for dinner.
MB4 on March 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM
+1 on the Talking Heads – music we can believe in.
Cool nic also. I used to play with those when we were doing wepsep on F-117 program.
Jimmy Doolittle on March 11, 2009 at 5:57 PM
And how is talking about this going to help Michelle’s kids? The second stimulus will be passed like the first. No discussion, no GOP input, signed by the filthy liar in the dark of night without any public knowledge about what the bill says.
America under the filthy liar is quickly becoming like one of those third-world dictatorships the filthy liar’s family comes from.
highhopes on March 11, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Typical liberal obtuseness. Throw money at a problem which NEVER works. Conclusion? The reason it didn’t work was because it wasn’t ENOUGH. Solution? Compound the mistake by throwing even more money at the problem.
I understand why. Nancy Pelosi’s private aircraft pool (AKA US Air Force) is getting obsolete and inefficient. Also she needs a colonoscopy and Tim Geithner’s head is too pointed to fit comfortably.
MaiDee on March 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Cool, we could hack into it.
Reporter: Mr President, what are you going to do now that the DOW is below 6,000 and Iran has exploded a nuclear bomb?
President Obama: I am a baloney sandwich.
MB4 on March 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Another stimulus means that the first one has failed.
If they try to pass one- the dems(Obama) should be made to choke on this reality- publicly by every single conservative talking head-over and over again.
canditaylor68 on March 11, 2009 at 6:05 PM
You can buy 8 shares of Citicorp with it.
MB4 on March 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Obama is quickly becoming a joke and even part of the left sees it.
lavell12 on March 11, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Is this going to have an effect on my $13?
Threshing Flora on March 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Yeah, after the next stimulus is passed, it will be worth around $6.50.
GarandFan on March 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Sheedogs don’t talk to sheep. There’s no talking to or reasoning with sheep. They order them about, but don’t harm them. Sheepdogs fight wolves, on behalf of the sheep, who don’t think or know better.
I will admit Michael, that the sheep aren’t supposed to vote in my scenario. Because they will vote the sheepdogs out of existence. I still say your frustration ought not be about the sheep, but the system that allows them a say.
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM
To big to fail.
Never mind the fact that the media will cover up and re-create reality for this guy until the end of the world. But do you think that our society has the will to let the Historical First Black President go down in history as a failure? I do not believe so, I think the majority, consciously or unconsciously will give him all the slack necessary to save him from that fate, because they believe the historical consequences of his failure are too big.
No matter how badly he botches it, there will not be a leader/writer/commentator who will feel safe calling him a failure because even if 90% of the population think he is a failure nobody will openly admit it outside of forums like this. I just do not see our society getting to the point where this is not taboo.
It will remain the worst kept secret of all times.
neuquenguy on March 11, 2009 at 6:17 PM
This is true (for the most part) — but I expect that there will be a few unfortunate souls that will be compelled to tell the truth. They will, most likely, disappear mysteriously, never to be heard from again.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on March 11, 2009 at 6:23 PM
-Hail Obama-
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM
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