Oh my: Public opposes second stimulus this year by two-to-one margin; Update: Will Collins et al. support it?

posted at 4:45 pm on March 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

It seems like just yesterday that I was wondering if The One had miscalculated by expecting a bailout-weary public to support more than one gargantuan stimulus bill. Oh right — it was yesterday.

Remember to emphasize confidence when you’re pitching this next one, Nancy.

Just 27% of voters nationwide favor passage of a second economic stimulus package. The latest Rasmussen Reports nationwide telephone survey found that 55% are opposed and 19% are not sure.

Despite the public opposition, 74% say it’s likely that Congress will try to pass another stimulus plan before the year is out. That figure includes 45% who say it’s Very Likely that Congress will do so…

Forty-three percent (43%) of Democrats favor a second stimulus package while 32% are opposed. Republicans oppose the concept by an 8-to-1 margin. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 59% are opposed to a second stimulus plan while 23% are in favor of it.

They don’t even have a majority of Democrats on board? Good lord. I’m not sure how seriously to take these results, actually: On the one hand, 63 percent told WaPo just two weeks ago that they expect another stimulus will be needed, and after all, we’ve been warned before that Rasmussen’s issue polls tend to skew towards the GOP position. On the other hand, 61 percent told the Journal last week that they’re more worried about the feds spending too much money than too little (up five points since December) and a Newsweek poll taken around the same time showed 52 percent agreeing that the first stimulus was either the right amount needed or that we shouldn’t have had a stimulus at all (40 percent thought it was merely a good start). Maybe now that the public’s had time to choke on The One’s mammoth $3.6 trillion budget and that $410 billion omnipork spending bill that passed yesterday, the tide has turned and the tap’s being turned off. Or maybe Cool Hand Luke will give another primetime address demanding $800 billion more or else the sun will explode and that’ll flip 15 percent back his way. Through Hopenchange, all things are possible.

Update: Does Obama have the votes to get this thing passed, assuming it even reaches the floor? Specter’s under enormous pressure to vote against it now that Toomey’s mounting a primary challenge. Collins and Snowe are safer bets, but if public opinion really is this sour, even they’ll think twice.


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There was a report of Fox last night that Obama’s people actually thought of using a teleprompter that they could use during press conferences that they could type answers to questions on so he could use it to answer questions. In other words someone else would be answering questions for the empty suit.

lavell12 on March 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I believe that White House aides recently stated that they were exploring mounting a monitor within the podium for press conferences for just that purpose.

Patrick S on March 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM

That’s why those of us frequenting forums like this should make it our mission in life to make certain that we cut him ABOSLUTELY ZERO slack.

CyberCipher on March 11, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Yes. It is also time to stop letting the left adding to the list of forbidden topics and forbidden words.

neuquenguy on March 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM

I believe that White House aides recently stated that they were exploring mounting a monitor within the podium for press conferences for just that purpose.

Patrick S on March 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Cool. Ogabe can email his responses right into the pages of the newspapers. Technology is so great.

JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM

“this ain’t no upwardly mobile freeway, oh no, this is the road to hell….” (Apologies to Chris Rhea).
When “crisis” legislation is voted on without a reading, anything is possible.
We’ll see what the American public believes.

Randy

williars on March 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM

He’s like the Kevin Bacon of everything un-American. Just pull the string of history on any issue in the country; it leads back to LBJ.

Try it…it’s fun.

BobMbx on March 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Right idea, but incomplete answer.

The longest strings reach all the way back to Franklin Roosevelt. LBJ was his devoted follower.

Osama Obama wants to, as ol’ Lyndon used to say, “continyeh” the Roosevelt/Johnson plans, and add his own Marxist/racist touches.

MrScribbler on March 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I don’t think the public is going for the bait a second time and I don’t think our golden throated warbler can bring them around after his bait and switch regarding fund dispersal on the first one. Now that the consequences of the first one have sunk in and no relief in sight,..I have great faith in the impatience and petulance of donk voters.

a capella on March 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM

MrScribbler on March 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM

That was interesting. Showing my ignorance here, but what was it that motivated FDR if I may ask? Was he a fan of communism or something, or maybe just a guilty patrician, or perhaps wanted to be a cult figure?

JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM

That was interesting. Showing my ignorance here, but what was it that motivated FDR if I may ask? Was he a fan of communism or something, or maybe just a guilty patrician, or perhaps wanted to be a cult figure?

JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM

He desperately wanted to be remembered as a POTUS that had surpassed the greatness of cousin Theodore.

My collie says:

That explanantion would certainly qualify under Occam’s razor.

CyberCipher on March 11, 2009 at 6:40 PM

He’s like the Kevin Bacon of everything un-American. Just pull the string of history on any issue in the country; it leads back to LBJ.

Try it…it’s fun.

BobMbx on March 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I doubt even Kevin Bacon had the audacity to lift a basset hound up by his ears. I might have been four when he did it, but I’ll never get over it!

anniekc on March 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM

CyberCipher on March 11, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Just shaking my head at that. A grown man with an ego still not controlled. It just kills me(and might.)

collie

Yes, why look for trouble.

JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:54 PM

JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM

In March 1933 FDR faced something like 20% unemployment and 30% foreclosure rate on mortgages which was causing the banking system to collapse. Keynesian theory had not been tested yet. FDR tried the New Deal as an experiment to save capitalism.

Some of the New Deal was good. Federal Deposit Insurance, the Securities Act and the Securities Exchange Act built the best regulated and therefore most liquid and deepest capital markets in the world. The busy work programs like the WPA and the TVA failed, mostly because government borrowing to increase aggregate demand had the unintended consequence of squeezing out private companies wanting to raise capital for themselves. Protectionism did not help either.

I don’t fault Roosevelt too much though; he was using the tools he had without experience to know what would work. Now we have the experience to know Keynesian policies are pretty ineffective/counterproductive. Now it’s just an excuse to permanently expand the role of the federal government.

Ted Torgerson on March 11, 2009 at 7:01 PM

FDR failed miserably to get the economy going during his 1st term yet he got 62% of the vote in 1936. Wouldn’t surprise me if the same thing happens in 2012 and Obama wins 40+ states.

We could have 15% unemployment in 2012 and yet the MSM will say that without THE ONE it would be 25% so we should be greatfull and vote for him again. And since most Americans are idiots, they will march in lock step with Katie Couric and Chris Matthews and pull the lever for Obama.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public.

angryed on March 11, 2009 at 7:05 PM

The big attack predicted by Biden seems to be coming true in 60 days let alone 6 months…this is the attack on our liberty and our freedom via the various Porkulus bills being pushed through.

Meanwhile, in a far away land, a bearded man in a turban is looking at US (of A) and laughing his you know what off (even more so knowing that he does not even have to do anything)!!!

OneConservative on March 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Haven’t you realized by now that we can’t possibly know what’s good for us? We have to have the Dems and Obama swoop in to save us, especially since we lowly earthlings can’t possibly understand all those icky things like the state of the economy or that terrorists are bad people.

It’s like when our parents used to say, “this is going to hurt me a lot more than it hurts you” right before something happened we wouldn’t enjoy.

What was it that Joe Biden said? (albeit about foreign powers testing us at the time, but it applies to the economy follies too it seems..)

And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

He must be the Ms. Cleo pychic extraordiare of the administration since he can predict the future. After all, “nobody messes with Joe!”

The One told us so.

SassyDarlin on March 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Hell no to another spendulus package.

Hussein would tout its urgency, only to take another three day weekend before signing it.

So much for urgency.

madmonkphotog on March 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Second Stimulus Package will contain the Youth Corps. Uniforms and Nightsticks can be had at ACORN headquarters or ordered online at ObamaYouth.org.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE.

Remember to use paypal!

GunRunner on March 11, 2009 at 7:42 PM

That was interesting. Showing my ignorance here, but what was it that motivated FDR if I may ask? Was he a fan of communism or something, or maybe just a guilty patrician, or perhaps wanted to be a cult figure?

JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM

FDR was very sympathetic to the siren song of communism/socialism, as were many, probably most, of his contemporaries in the face of the Great Depression.

Very similar to the situation we face today with Obama and
the current economic crisis.

Going that route was a mistake then and it would be a mistake now, but it looks like Obama and the Democrats are going to do it. Bigtime. Again.

The only difference is that FDR could conceivably be excused for naive ignorance of the consequences, as opposed to Obama and the Democrats, who should be held responsible for having the benefit of nearly a century of consistantly failed communist/socialist experiments.

But saying so right now is like a voice in the wilderness.

cool breeze on March 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I’m beginning to think the 2-dozen or so people who live in Maine are brain dead!

kens on March 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM

I think this will play out just like the last stimulus bill. The polls will all be against it so Obama will address the nation about how great it is and the next day 80% will support it. And this is how it will go for every piece of Obama’s legislation that doesn’t have popular support.

That’s why he’s president.

hisfrogness on March 11, 2009 at 8:52 PM

This is simply mind-boggling. It’s as though they’re saying “We’re incompetent so open your wallet again.”

drjohn on March 11, 2009 at 9:07 PM

They just need more convincing. Maybe some more press conferences promising millions of people will lose their homes and jobs and widows and single mothers and children will die without healthcare and condoms and a GREAT DEPRESSION!

chunderroad on March 11, 2009 at 9:08 PM

hisfrogness on March 11, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Obama will cue up another crisis. Just watch.

drjohn on March 11, 2009 at 9:08 PM

It’ll pass.

jewells45 on March 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Not to mention the fact that someone (or group) took $500 billion out of banks, almost overnight, which caused the panic in the first place. Why no investigation into that is simply astounding.

lorien1973 on March 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM

You know…where is all that money now?? Waiting to be dumped on an already crippled market just when hyper-inf starts to hit…brrrrrrrrr

NY Conservative on March 11, 2009 at 9:50 PM

I think round two is necessary. I for one am still not clear on at least three different aspects of pigs farting.

radiofreevillage on March 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM

I think this will play out just like the last stimulus bill. The polls will all be against it so Obama will address the nation about how great it is and the next day 80% will support it. And this is how it will go for every piece of Obama’s legislation that doesn’t have popular support.

That’s why he’s president.

hisfrogness on March 11, 2009 at 8:52 PM

.
Hack the teleprompter. Maybe this.
.
My fellow Americans I came before you to explain why we need this second ridicules stimulus plan, but after a short chat with the ghost in the Lincoln bedroom, I have decided that for the good of the nation I must resign. This resignation is effective immediately. good luck president Biden. thank you, good night.

darktood on March 11, 2009 at 10:32 PM

There was a report of Fox last night that Obama’s people actually thought of using a teleprompter that they could use during press conferences that they could type answers to questions on so he could use it to answer questions. In other words someone else would be answering questions for the empty suit.

lavell12 on March 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM
I believe that White House aides recently stated that they were exploring mounting a monitor within the podium for press conferences for just that purpose.

Patrick S on March 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Jeebus. And the lefties were claiming that Bush was a doofus who couldn’t string two sentences together without help from an aide.

It’s going to be a long 7 years and 10 months……

djm1992 on March 11, 2009 at 11:21 PM

I all honesty, if this next batch cuts my taxes and gives me a check in the mail then I hope it passes. Everything is going to hell in a hand basket anyways, might as well have some more money now to stock up on supplies before the total collapse hits.

cadams on March 12, 2009 at 6:27 AM

Public opposes second stimulus this year by two-to-one margin

Like Obama or congress really give a damn what any of us think.

TrickyDick on March 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Well people that are paying their mortgages, working for their money and getting by on regular hard work do not benefit from any type of bailout. So now the numbers are beginning to reflect who benefits and who gets f#%*ed

Tremmy on March 12, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Maybe the second bill should reverse the first one, now that would be CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN !!!

workingforpigs on March 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

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