Flashback: Minutes before 9/11 attacks, Carville said he hoped Bush wouldn’t succeed
posted at 2:40 pm on March 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Even more enjoyable than that 2006 poll Patterico dug up showing 51 percent of Democrats hoping Bush would fail — two raging wars notwithstanding.
On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just minutes before learning of the terrorist attacks on America, Democratic strategist James Carville was hoping for President Bush to fail, telling a group of Washington reporters: “I certainly hope he doesn’t succeed.”…
Minutes later, as news of the terrorist attacks reached the hotel conference room where the Democrats were having breakfast with the reporters, Carville announced: “Disregard everything we just said! This changes everything!”
The press followed Carville’s orders, never reporting his or Greenberg’s desire for Bush to fail. The omission was understandable at first, as reporters were consumed with chronicling the new war on terror. But months and even years later, the mainstream media chose to never resurrect those controversial sentiments, voiced by the Democratic Party’s top strategists, that Bush should fail…
“The difference between Carville and his ilk and me is that I care about what happens to my country,” Limbaugh told Fox on Wednesday. “I am not saying what I say for political advantage. I oppose actions, such as Obama’s socialist agenda, that hurt my country.
Two potential points of distinction for the left here. One is that Carville changed his mind instantly once the country shifted to a crisis footing whereas Rush keeps hoping for failure even as the economy disintegrates. Is that really the point liberals have been making in attacking him, though — that it’s A-OK to root for the president to cock things up so long as nothing really important’s at stake? Watch those goalposts move! (Subsidiary question: Did Carville really instantly change his mind or, rather, did he instantly realize that it was no longer politically safe to wish aloud for the president’s failure?) The second point is the one Patterico hits on in this post, i.e. the difference between hoping Obama fails at implementing his agenda and hoping that his agenda fails after it’s implemented. Hard to tell from the tiny bit quoted in the Fox piece which was true in Carville’s case vis-a-vis Bush. Given that we were already more than seven months into his term at the time, it’s safe to say he wasn’t speaking wholly prospectively.
I wish I could promise you video when he’s asked about this, but since he’s a CNN contributor he probably won’t be asked about it. Quick, someone send up the bat signal for Jason Mattera.
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The time machine politics. I love it!
portlandon on March 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM
What a douche. But I expect no less.
Grafted on March 11, 2009 at 2:44 PM
That one.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, his language prevented the democrats winning in ‘06 and ‘08. But at least he wasn’t a political operative, or the face of the Democratic party.
Spirit of 1776 on March 11, 2009 at 2:44 PM
No, but see, this is different because HEY LOOK OVER THERE!!
Jim Treacher on March 11, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Carville disingenuous? The deuce you say!
jacrews on March 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM
God bless the internet
DaveC on March 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Carville is one of those people that I’m not sure if he’s an asshole or a whole ass. I’ll never understand how Mary Matalin puts up with him.
gsherin on March 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM
The Dem’s held off on their attacks on W for at least 3 weeks…
phreshone on March 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM
The difference between these two events is that, on 9/11 we had a group of lowlife cowards from another land launching an attack on our nation, and after January 20, 2009 we have an elected president launching an attack on our nation.
Big difference.
AubieJon on March 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Maybe Carville and Greenberg can take a poll on how many people think they’re hideously ugly.
JammieWearingFool on March 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM
That ugly *uck.
Firebird on March 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I’m with AubieJon on this one.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM
He keeps hoping for failure of policies that he believes are going to make things worse. This is, for some, apparently a confusing concept.
(And to the usual suspects: If you want to argue that Carville was saying the same thing… why is that only a bad thing now?)
Jim Treacher on March 11, 2009 at 2:50 PM
I’ve heard it said it’s because of his serpant-like tongue. :lol:
R D on March 11, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Is that really a question? Of course that’s why he ran to make sure his comment was never reported on. Were it that his mind actually had changed, he would have let himself be caught that way and simply apologized.
This was all about face-saving.
Esthier on March 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM
I seem to remember it being less than 2 weeks.
JimRich on March 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Mary Matalan must cry herself to sleep at night.
anniekc on March 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Rush just said that his listener ratings has gone up in the last quarter by 32%.
technopeasant on March 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Has a Democrat said anything in the past 8 years that can’t be proven to be 100% mendacious by their own previous statements??? Any trolls looking to take on the challange, start with the threat of Saddam’s WMD programs…
phreshone on March 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Excellent!
ladyingray on March 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Bingo. If Dear Leader pursues moderate policies that don’t have us wind up with government ownership/control of businesses & the economy, then I’ll root for success. But I do not want The Onion to succeed in having greater government control of our lives. Do you?
rbj on March 11, 2009 at 2:53 PM
I have to say that if Carville and Henry Waxman were polygamists at some compund with say 20 wives, their spawn would form a new species that would not breed with humans. They would be the rat people, and they would live in caves, and their language would be unintelligible squeaking.
Ted Torgerson on March 11, 2009 at 2:53 PM
We’ll see how well Carville wears it. Maybe he won’t be asked about it on CNN but it’ll get some legs. Hey, Michael Steele, handle this right and you can make some major hay out of your previous blooper. We’ll also see if Newt has any seeds left.
a capella on March 11, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Probably the only thing she and Mrs. Franken have in common.
AubieJon on March 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Upon further reflection, I want proof that he actually said this. Two or three named sources on polygraph that Carville took it all back as soon as the planes hit the building. I don’t believe it.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Duck???
FontanaConservative on March 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM
One more. Spot on!
sherry on March 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Carville is a yapping bowel parasite.
whitetop on March 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Somebody needs to explain the difference between hoping that the Won’s policies fail before they are inacted and hoping that they fail after they are inacted. I hear this distinction a lot. I understand the first, but wouldn’t I be correct to say that the success of one socialist item on the agenda would lead to pushing another, and then another? Whereas failing before implementation might, just might, make the socialists in washington slow down their agenda. In light of this, I hope Obama fails in every socialist part of his agenda. Totally Fails, miserably fails. Please don’t ban me.
TimothyJ on March 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM
The economy is distintegrating because Obama is currently succeeding in getting his agenda through. If he were failing, the economy would be showing signs of life.
landshark on March 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM
I’m confused. So are we now saying Carville didn’t know 9/11 was going to happen?
frankj on March 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I have yet to understand a single sentence uttered by Carville.
OhEssYouCowboys on March 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Yeah and how did the Dems fare in 2004 with that sort of rhetoric?
LevStrauss on March 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM
How many wished for W and our country to fail AFTER 9/11? A bunch:
Reid Pelosi Kerry Kenneday The videos are out there…
“This War is Lost!” etc.
dogsoldier on March 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I believe you just insulted bowel parasites…
phreshone on March 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I wish someone would/could find the video during the 2000 presidential election night coverage when Carville guaranteed a Gore win. When it didn’t happen Carville put a trashcan on his head and finished the show talking into the trashcan.PLEASE, PLEASE someone find that video. The image has always been on my mind and I wish it would surface again everytime that moron opens his piehole.
lasertex on March 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM
If one socialist action were to actually succeed, there would be a hole ripped into the time space continuim and there would be a total repeal of all of the laws of physics… It just cannot happen.
myrenovations on March 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM
No this shows the difference. Saying the policies are failing or doomed to fail is much different than hoping that the President fails. Though either side might really wish it, hoping for failure is just a stupid rhetorical move that takes you more steps back than forward. That is the point that Newt made on MTP. Rush knows better, he seems to want Republican minorities because it helps his business.
LevStrauss on March 11, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Here here! It can’t be his looks! Maybe it’s being close to power? It cannot be his warm personality. I wonder that everytime I see him.
petunia on March 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Look up the word hyprocrite in the dictionary and you’ll see the demo-crap donkey logo…oh and that bald-headed meat head Carville is a POS traitor!
Liberty or Death on March 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Proving once again that Republicans shouldn’t swipe anything from the “Party of Ideas”.
Dusty on March 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Hmmm Now there is a good point. He was part of the Clinton administration.
petunia on March 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM
The bottom line to everything is that every Democrat politician is a corrupt and incompetent pile of rotten, stinking garbage.
If you remember that, everything else just falls into place.
NoDonkey on March 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I agree, and even further, even if Socialism could work the way Lefties dream it could, it’s still evil. So even if it could save us from this collapse, I still want it to fail because it is morally wrong.
The fact that it doesn’t work is even further proof of its immorality.
Esthier on March 11, 2009 at 3:06 PM
There it is!
Oink on March 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM
AllahPundit misrepresents what Rush says…why can’t a conservative blog be accurate?
Rush clearly states ad nauseam that he wants Obama’s destructive, socialist policies to fail..knowing that Obama’s policies will end the USA as a capitalist country.
The economy is disintegrating AP BECAUSE of Obama’s reckless policies. AP not only misrepresents what Rush says but creates a ’straw man’ argument (economy disintegrates) that has NO RELATION to what Rush ever said.
daytrader on March 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Why do I always think Gollum when I see Carville?
el rey on March 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Fixed it for ‘ya……..
Seven Percent Solution on March 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Let’s not parse words too closely here PAA-LEAZE! Remember: “I never had SEX with that woman!” The rules are NOT for DEMS – nor is the truth nor is trust. Dems operate in a different sphere that is untouched by reality, honesty, hard work or paying bills (including taxes). When Rush says he wants the Messiah to fail – Yea!!! That means that he doesn’t want to have to call his neighbor “Comrade”!
Cinday Blackburn on March 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Even: “Yabba -dabba- ooba-poo-ba- dabba- wabbba. Ah luvs dis pezzident! Hot damn!” ?
whitetop on March 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
My daughter continues to send me links to “Onion” stories, and I’ve asked her stop. I’m reaching the point where reading The Onion is no different than reading the front page of the Virginia Pile-it.
oldleprechaun on March 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
I just wondered how the dow was doing and clicked on CNN… they have a poll asking how Obama is doing his first 50 days in office. Well we all know how that will turn out but if you all joined me in clicking failure…
petunia on March 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Carville is the epitome of evil. Libs believe the truth to be what they want it to be, not whether it is actually true or not.
volsense on March 11, 2009 at 3:12 PM
You should apologize to Gollum.
Here, The Onion = The One, but as He seems to have a thin skin and makes me cry, it’s The Onion. Not the Onion.
rbj on March 11, 2009 at 3:12 PM
The bottom line to everything is that every Democrat politician is a corrupt and incompetent pile of rotten, stinking garbage.
If you remember that, everything else just falls into place.
NoDonkey on March 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM
it does all seem to fall into place, doesn’t it?
Ghoul aid on March 11, 2009 at 3:13 PM
This should keep Hannity busy tonight! lol
joedoe on March 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM
The timing of what Rush said is important. When asked about his hope for the administration, Rush said he hoped he fails. He has, so far, succeeded and the country has suffered, at least economically. So far, Rush has been borne out. The timing is a point worth making.
Though, I well suspect that no one’s minds will be changed now. This issue has become one of pride and prejudice.
Spirit of 1776 on March 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM
We experienced 8 YEARS of Democrats not simply wanting Bush (and America in order to give “us” what “we” deserved) to fail, but those Democrats did everything imaginable and unimaginable in order to make Bush fail, and to make the US lose the wars being fought, in Iraq and against global Islamofascist terrorism. The Democrats did everything possible in order to defeat every good measure that Bush undertook. There is no forgetting their Bush Derangement Syndrome and their horrible political assassination of every conservative they came across at work.
The cherry Carville gloats atop Democrat Fascists.
maverick muse on March 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Carville only can support himself and Matlin when Republicans fail since it his profession to see that this happens. On 9/11 he was interested in keeping his job so he told his slaves to keep quiet.
mytralman on March 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM
The country was not failing because of Bush, though the Democrats persistently said it was. “Bush lied. People died!” This market nosedive that’s been happening since Obama won the election is a direct result from his failed leadership and his socialist agenda. Obama is using the crisis to enact policies Americans otherwise would not want. Hoping that Obama fails to enact his socialist vision means the whole country as we know it succeeds.
chunderroad on March 11, 2009 at 3:18 PM
lasertex on March 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Couldn’t find video but I did find a picture. It was during the 2002 mid term elections.
Enjoy
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-carvilletrash.htm
milwife88 on March 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Allah, I’m starting to think that your problem is neurological.
Patterico’s problem seems to be congenital.
Once more, for the hard-of-thinking:
Lenin succeeded.
Lenin’s policies were all failures.
Russia suffered through hell for decades.
Do you think that Russia would have been better off if Lenin had FAILED?
This is getting to be so pathetic … Get a grip, Allah.
progressoverpeace on March 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM
I hope he fails.
(I’m sorry…but it’s like a therapy for me: it just feels good saying it…)
bluelightbrigade on March 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM
The timing is irrelevant…Rush always makes it clear and made it clear in early January that Obama’s policies would cause ruination to this country.
Rush’s comments had nothing to do with what happened recently…The U.S. markets have been selling off thousands of points ever SINCE Obama was nominated for the Presidency!
Additionally, AllahPundit is still wrong.
Where were you “Spirit of 1776″ when Harry Ried said the War In Iraq Was Lost?
daytrader on March 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM
COOOOOOOOBRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
- The Cat
MirCat on March 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM
I remember Democrats blaming Bush for 911. Mt Pet Goat. Ignored intelligence. Alcoholism. Behaving like a frat boy. Lying about WMDs as a reason to go to Iraq. Murdering for oil. Corruption and theft. Fascism. Dragging people off to torture chambers in the middle of the night without warrants or trials. Cheney’s human sized vault and black robotic heart. Aliens.
chunderroad on March 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM
For love of country, Conservatives are the adults in the American family while the demented Democrats are juvenile delinquents.
TOUGH LOVE!
maverick muse on March 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I forgot the Joooooooos.
chunderroad on March 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Don’t bother trying to explain that the current condition of the economy in fact justifies Rush’s comments. Everyone in the moronic media (including moronic Allah) aren’t smart enough to understand. Actually, maybe they are smart enough, they just like telling lies and misrepresenting the truth (including moronic Allah).
MobileVideoEngineer on March 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM
This isn’t breaking news, it was the focus of an entire chapter of Bill Sammon’s book “Fighting Back”
thebrokenrattle on March 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM
That is precisely my point. Rush said, I hope he fails before the policies were enacted. Having been enacted, as Cramer said, Obama has destroyed wealth in this county.
That’s why the timing matters. The argument R-wing pundits should be making is that Rush was right – look at the consequences! But they don’t consider the time and context when they were made. What Rush said should and could have been defended as a warning by those on the right. Socialism (or programs dependent on socialist doctrine) never equals prosperity.
I saw that; I’m afraid I don’t understand your point. Reid is a loser.
Spirit of 1776 on March 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Hello, it’s the same thing!
This would be akin to saying “I hope Hitler fails in implenting his agenda” but “I hope his agenda succeeds after its implemented”….
Either way, if it succeeds it is by default catastrophic, any way you look at it.
Norwegian on March 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Bingo. I’m simply baffled why the three stooges, and those who agree with them, simply *still* do not get it.
We have a patient (American economy) who is seriously ill. The Doctor (Obama) wants to do a major operation to completely reconstruct the inner workings of the patient’s body in order to ’save’ him. The patient has has this serious illness before and previous doctors have helped cure him by doing certain procedures. Yet, this doctor wants to ignore that and do something drastically different and more extreme, that will probably make things even worse and has been proven to fail in the past when tried on other patients.
Now, any logical thinking person would hope that the doctor fails in his attempt to perform such surgery and those urging for the old ways to cure the illness will succeed. But those such as Ace and AllahPundit and Patterico translate to mean that those wishing for the doctor to fail in performing that surgery are also wishing for the patient to die.
I seriously had no idea that Ace, AllahPundit and Patterico were that dense.
Michael in MI on March 11, 2009 at 3:30 PM
The Iraq war began in 2003. When violence escalated, Dems used the antiwar and MoveOn.org activists to take Congress in 2006.
chunderroad on March 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM
I keep getting this bizarre impression that somehow some people want to blame Rush’s hopes for Obama’s failure for the economy’s continuing downward spiral.
Suppose tomorrow (OK, Monday) Limbaugh apologizes and says, “Gosh, I hope what the President is doing — or not doing — will work!”
Anyone think that would make a bit of difference?
On the other hand, suppose Obama apologizes, and says, “Gosh, I’ve been making some really stupid decisions; maybe I ought to shelve some of this government-takeover agenda and focus on really fixing the banking and market issues.”
Think that would make a bit of difference?
Funny where our focus continues to be, though, isn’t it?
notropis on March 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Obama has also chased wealth from this country. He has also looted the treasury for friends of the Democratic party, union bosses and Wall Street.
chunderroad on March 11, 2009 at 3:35 PM
One is that Carville changed his mind instantly once the country shifted to a crisis footing whereas Rush keeps hoping for failure even as the economy disintegrates.
You can’t compare Carville to Rush. Carville’s just your typical slimy political opportunist who has no standards. Rush is a radio host who is pretty consistent in what he believes. And it’s insane to suggest that the Democrats supported Bush’s war against (Islamic) terrorism. The Democrats’ support quickly evaporated once they identified an opportunity in Iraq to cut the President down to size.
I know some people on “our” side think we need to give this Limbaugh thing a rest because it’s “embarrassing” us. AP, Ace, so on. Thing is, they’re wrong. Instead of sniping at Limbaugh for stating his opposition to an economic policy which is, one way or the other, bad for the country, we should be supporting him with everything we have. If Rush’s words are taken out of context, then someone needs to be there to put them back in the right context. This “Oh, crap, the media hitting us really hard over this, we better back off” nonsense isn’t going to fly anymore.
Don’t you people get it? The media can distort ANYTHING a conservative says. Conceding ground to them is the worst thing we can do right now.
It’s my hope that Rush continues to hammer away at Obama, because Operation: Distract the Country With Rushbo will only be effective for a short time before people wise up.
R. Waher on March 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Heard this through Rush…lovely, delightful and a smackdown to all those that have trashed Bush and Rush…and us conservatives.
There’s that sayin’…if you spit upwards, it’ll fall on your face.
ProudPalinFan on March 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM
I have a grudging respect for Carville. Granted, I’m not an expert on him, but he always struck me as upfront in his hatred of conservatives and about his attempts to beat Republicans and gain power for Dems and libs. I never agree with him, but from what I’ve seen, he’s not a lying sack of crap. Even his sentiments here seem upfront and honest.
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Do you really have to ask this?
Speedwagon82 on March 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM
chuderroad you’ve sparked my memory. Cramer also said that now is not the time for Obama to enact his Democrat/socialist wish list. Of course he didn’t say socialist because Cramer is a Democrat, but still… a Democrat saying that Democrats should put their Democrat agenda on hold until the economy is better is a big deal.
Although, the Democrats in power aren’t interested in fixing the economy. Now is the perfect time for them to put everything through in a panic. Of course given the fact that the markets are diving and more and more people are being let go, how in the world was all of this crap able to get through without major dissent? I mean the markets and businesses (and in turn the people being let go from those businesses) obviously knew it was horrible and destined to destroy the economy.
MobileVideoEngineer on March 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I lost the affections of a very beautiful and successful woman when I made the same analogy. Glad I’m not the only one who believes this.
mikeyboss on March 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM
If Obamalosi’s intention was to cure the ailing economy and ensure the survival and the success of liberty in the world, then I would hope for him to succeed, even despite the almost certainty of failure.
What Rush is saying, and I agree with him, is that their intention is not to heal the economy or protect the free world. Their intention is to create a socialist “utopia” with all the features that go into that: a caste system, the politicization of all aspects of life (aka totalitarianism), the suppression of free speech and scientific debate, etc. Because that is their intention, I want them to fail.
joe_doufu on March 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM
It’s downright embarrassing to watch them drive this point home day after day, too. Maybe they’re angling for posts in The Precedent’s cabinet?
progressoverpeace on March 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM
When something doesn’t add up, question your assumptions.
(Got that from a Heinlein book, I think, but it’s amazing how often it’s worked for me!)
JiangxiDad on March 11, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Okay, so you’re actively trying to say that Limbaugh is the conservative version of Carville?
Carville is a moron. So is Limbaugh. So far, that works for me. The problem is that millions of conservatives line up to ditto everything Limbaugh says. Progressives tend to ignore the nonsense that Carville spews.
This is not a particularly good defense of Limbaugh. “He’s every bit as stupid as Carville!” Umm, okay. If that’s the way you want to go, then Godspeed.
orange on March 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Republicans swept into the majority and the White House after Clinton whammed unreasonable taxation on the middle class.
Republicans have since acknowledged that the resulting big tent GOP was compounded by immoderate RINOs who, to prove their likability, crossed the aisle to be “bipartisan” and no longer conservative individuals. Obviously that cost conservatism and advanced progressive American socialism.
It is the Democrat Party that makes extinct those it presumes to guard, the farming families, the skilled laborers. It is the Democrat Party celebrating their progress over the disappearing middle class. It is the Democrat Party that takes all and returns squat. It is the Democrat Party that tosses everyone under the bus.
The popularity of Obama departs with the tax man and our ensuing greatest economic depression.
Obama joins Pelosi and Reid to comprise Washington’s Three Stooges.
I never liked them.
maverick muse on March 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM
I wouldn’t even give Carville that out. The economy was in pretty rough condition in the summer of 2001. Granted, not as bad as today, but it was certainly the low point between 1993 and 2007.
Brainster on March 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM
DING, DING, DING… You win the prize! That’s in fact the key. Whether Rush HOPES for President Obama’s failure or not has NO EFFECT on whether the economy will fail or not. On the other hand, President Obama’s policies will have ALL THE EFFECT on whether or not the economy fails.
Sultry Beauty on March 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Given Carville’s example in love, it works ok when the shoe’s on the other foot.
maverick muse on March 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM
How about video from the event?
Valiant on March 11, 2009 at 4:01 PM
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