Video: Frum, Matthews wonder if Limbaugh has a “race problem”
posted at 3:40 pm on March 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
Via the ‘Busters. Consider this a belated exclamation point on Ace’s critique from a few days ago. I get that Frum wants to build a “new majority” and that part of his strategy is showing the public a centrist face of Republicanism. What I don’t get is how he plans to do that by alienating the conservative base, which has trouble processing criticism of Rush even when it’s not being used to entertain Captain Leg Thrill, a man with a bit of a “race problem” (and a gender problem?) of his own. That’s not to say Frum shouldn’t criticize — I link him regularly in Headlines precisely because he offers a different point of view — but why he’d choose to do it on “Hardball” of all places, knowing how that’s going to play with the 90 percent who are sending him nasty e-mails, is mystifying to me. I hope the Strange New Respect and centrist votes he’s winning are enough to offset the righties who are tuning him out.
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Let’s put it another way: if Limbaugh is a racist, then Frum is a sexist.
Even if I liked Frum more than Limbaugh, I’d be disgusted by his willingness to accuse Limbaugh of racism. See, I’m not a democrat, so that crap offends me.
funky chicken on March 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I am a proud sycophant of AllahPundit and I will not accept any criticism of him.
faraway on March 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM
In a utopian fantasy world, people would analyse a candidate’s positions and views and compare them with their own to make a reasoned decision on who to vote for.
This ain’t that world. The more likeable, charismatic candidate wins almost every single time. We saw it with Reagan Democrats, Democrats who listen to Rush, and more recently Republicans for Obama. The guy (politics aside) that you’d rather share a six pack with usually wins.
When someone likes a candidate on a personal level, they’re apt to believe that candidate’s views more closely match their own, even to the point of ignoring what that candidate says. There are a whole lot of Chris Buckleys out there.
What’s needed to win isn’t to tweak every issue and political stance to try and fit the majority, though this seems to be how the Beltway elite crowd think. The trick is to find leadership and candidates that appeal to people in a likeable, charismatic way. Do that, and the votes will follow- even among those who don’t agree with many of their views.
Hollowpoint on March 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Yes, I must be because I included you in a group that has been extremely vocal as of late on the web. Though, to be frank, I don’t think much of the criticism about Rush has been from people who listen to him (which is partially why it elicits what I think is somewhat knee-jerk responses – which is not to say the responses are in error). For example, saying his show is ugly (Steele), or has racial overtones (Frum) implies that all his supporters enjoy racist or ugly rhetoric.
I merely took your comment as added weight to the aforementioned argument. I will now look at it as a separate argument specifically aimed a minority of a group of people.
Spirit of 1776 on March 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I hope Frum fails…oops, too late.
DrAllecon on March 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I call that one:
How, I quit reading AP’s posts and learned to love the F-bomb… ;)
liquidflorian on March 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Didn’t you know that he doesn’t employ his call screener, he owns him.
rockhead on March 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Yep, and it would be nice if the spokesperson for the opposition party was actually calling him out for it. Instead, he called out Rush. The White House set up the game, and Steele came in and got his ass handed to him. At the moment, we’re without any strategy to fight the dimwit-in-chief. So, in the absence of leadership, we’re sparring.
MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM
The f-bomb. It’s a valuable thing, ya know?
Slublog on March 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM
+1
LOL.
Rush called Obama a socialist. The One hates that, and he especially hates that so many people listen to Rush.
The White House made it clear that singling out Rush was their top priority, a bigger priority than housing, the economy or diplomacy. They started it with the “Rush is the enemy” routine.
Rush was calling Obama a socialist when he said, “I want him to fail.” The proper response is to turn this into a conversation about how Obama is a Marxist radical, after all, and a failure as a President so far. Maybe the best response would be to say, I wish he would stop failing America.” Curling p in the fetal position or attacking Rush are both counter-productive.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Don’t leave home w/o it!
liquidflorian on March 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Hot damn! I believe liquid here just adopted Goldstein’s own recommendation to change the “interpretive paradigm” as I believe Jeff phrased it.
BigD on March 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Go Rush!! Keep up the good work!!
I hope Obama fails.
(Send my check to the regular address.)
JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Glad I could clear that up. For what it’s worth, I don’t think much of the whole kerfluffle either. I also don’t like Frum any more than you do. However, we just got beaten by a cult leader. The first thing we need to avoid in setting up the game plan for next time is to ensure that none of our leaders are beyond reproach.
By the way, now that more rumors seem to be surfacing about Sturmfuhrer Steele stepping down, who would you like to see take his place?
MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Hollowpoint, So what is Frum trying to do? What kind of influence is he trying to have in the selection of candidates? If people vote for the one they like the best I don’t see how Frum or Parker or Noonan have any influence in whether those candidates are moderate or conservative. They seem to be wasting their time.
Rose on March 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM
PS:
– I don’t want to be in the Big Tent.
– I don’t want to have to figure out how to “win” and tailor my views to accomodate “more” people.
– I don’t think I should have to explain why we want the opposition to fail, even in a crisis, when their plan worsens the situation.
– If the RNC won’t put someone out in front explaining exactly why these policies are BAD, then when someone else from the team steps up to the plate, you don’t flash a mirror in their eyes and snicker to the other team.
– I want to be in the RIGHT tent (as in correct).
– I want to run on our first principles not some amalgamation of centrist ideas.
– I want someone (Jindal?) from the RNC/Conservatives to explain why these policies are BAD and say that is why we won’t support them.
– I want someone to kick David Frump in the balls.
=(
Geministorm on March 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM
David Frum is merely showing latent signs of Stockholm Syndrome. This happens when Republican media types are left too long in the Liberal Washington Fish bowl. Soon they wear ascots and answer to
T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII
portlandon on March 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM
What’s the problem with that? Isn’t Hardball watched by like 3 people, all of whom are stoned, while everyone else is tuned to Fox News and Rush? What’s the big deal?
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM
in a sane world, it would be Democrats who would be complaining and criticizing the bigots at the DailyKos, Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, etc. etc. etc., for the utter embarassment that they are.
in a sane world that is.
jp on March 10, 2009 at 4:30 PM
MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM
I’d love to jump in on that one also.
Duncan Hunter
http://www.myspace.com/duncanhunter
Keemo on March 10, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Conservatives need to stop buying any publication that prints frum’s writing. The left has enough writers so when he gets booted from his current gigs he can just pack up and head back to canada with his leftist wife.
peacenprosperity on March 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Yup. So simple. So bloody self-evident.
*sigh* ’12 (and Sarah) can’t get here soon enough.
Kent18 on March 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Jeff Goldstein! Not that Allahpundit wouldn’t be missed. He does seem like he needs a vacation, though.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Seriously? You can’t figure that one out?
I often don’t understand you, AP. You could see no legitimate reason other than racism as to why Coulter would throw out her Slumdog remark (even though she clearly likes Jindal), but you imagine Frum has one here other than a cheap insult?
I believe you’re a fair person, but you often seem to err more on the side of caution towards people who insult us and the opposite to those insult the Left.
Esthier on March 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM
“liar” usurper” “fraud” “affirmative action candidate” an on and on.
The people using such language don’t for a second care about votes. Don’t for a second want to convince anybody not already wholly on their side.
We don’t have a hope in hell of winning a single seat in 2010 if this is the type of language we let define our platform.
The amount of bullcrap that passes for commentary from our side is stunning.
We spent months before the election throwing every label we could think of at Obama and despite the electorate rejecting every single one, there are too many that pretend the reason they didn’t stick was because they weren’t thrown around loudly enough or by the right people.
Look at Democrat pick ups in 06 and 08 and if any of you can point to a pick up winner that ran on anger I’d love to see it.
Instead it wasn’t until the Democrats moved past BDS and presented a plan did they start taking back seats.
I know there are those that think the rats deserve 4-8 years of ODS as payback, and maybe they do, but it won’t win us back any house or senate seats.
A good example is this rush crap. Comment after comment, here and elsewhere claiming it is unprecedented that a white house would ‘attack a private citizen”, as if the American people are too addled to remember Ari at the podium excoriating the Michael Moore wing of the Democrat party.
Instead of realizing that the Democrats did everything they could to distance themselves, and in fact Moore himself went into electoral hiding in 08, people here think that Rush will appeal to moderate and swing voters if not for the ‘drive by’ media’s manipulation.
And to be frank, anyone using the term ‘drive by media’ is willingly marginalizing themselves.
Why would anyone that truly fears Obama’s reign care so little about the perceptions of the electorate?
barkolounger on March 10, 2009 at 4:33 PM
P.S. BTW, is the implication that Frum was somehow given a choice of 5 networks to go to, and he declined an invitation from Fox News or Laura or whatnot?
My crazy guess would be that he’s perfectly willing to go anywhere and talk about his views on the future of the Republican Party. You don’t want him to go to liberal shows? Make sure he’s too busy talking to the conservatives.
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Not to me. Frum is an opportunist and, as you explain, he’s in effect a poor one if you continue to accept the premise he’s looking to remake our party.
Choosing Hardball is the first clue that the premise is false. Now what are you left with? Nothing more than Frum and a domain name but he has scooped up a little income and has made a few, temporary friends.
Dusty on March 10, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Fred. I’m sorta kidding, but everyone seems to get along fine with him personally, and he’s smart enough not to get in MSM traps. I think the GOP has no place to go if the current coalition doesn’t join back up. I think Frum is wrong, there has to be a choice between parties. A big tent leads to disillusionment because each part can claim it’s issues were not addressed. For example, Huck’s social cons thought they were ignored – I don’t understand how when Bush signed PBA ban, but they do. So small government, strong defense, social conservativism is still the winning formula I think. Lose any of those three without replacing it and you have a long-standing minority.
When/if Steele resigns, I think it sets the party back. If he stays, it sets the party back. Well done, GOP.
Spirit of 1776 on March 10, 2009 at 4:34 PM
i.e. making it bigger makes it even more unsustainable.
Spirit of 1776 on March 10, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Okay- I give up- what are you aimin’ for? HA without Conservatives? Maybe just a whole bunch of commenters who agree with ya?
The trouble with you Allah is that you’re a young know-it-all who thinks you need to school us old fashioned conservatives because you think Rush is old school and Reaganism is dead.
And the thing is – YOU ARE WRONG. If the GOP continues on the path that you and Brooks and Frum and all the others who want to fight the Dems by making them like you, would choose- then the GOP will die.
Rush is not ugly, not racist, not stupid, HE IS RIGHT. And when you elites get on your high horse about how bad he is for the party- IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU DON’T LISTEN TO HIM.
If you elites think that you will EVER regain power by kissin’ up to the Dems and runnin’ ‘Dem-lite’ candidates like McCain- You ARE NUTS.
When McCain refused to FIGHT BACK against the Lib media and call’em out on their lies about the GOP, Sarah, and Obama- THAT’s WHEN HE LOST.
And you are makin’ the same mistake.
ExTex on March 10, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Oooo, definitely a +1 on that. I had a lot of trouble finding any disagreement with him during the primaries, even though it was clear he had less chance than Ron Paul.
MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Can someone explain why were wasting time with Frum again?
You know sometimes I wish we did burn apostates at the stake. We’d get satisfied the apostate was dealt with, and they’d have a legit reason for their criticism. Win-Win.
Iblis on March 10, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Cosigned. x1,000,000,000,000,000.
Kent18 on March 10, 2009 at 4:36 PM
I’d just like to add that out of all my Facebook friends, the only one who linked to Frum’s recent Rush=Evil article was a hard-left Dem. Make of that what you will.
Snowed In on March 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM
MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I watched Duncan operate for years when I lived in So. Cal.; the man stuck to his principles and values despite everything the Ca. papers and media could throw at him. I don’t recall ever seeing this man off message; his message rather than a talking point.
Keemo on March 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Why sorta kidding? Obviously what we need is someone who is comfortable with the press in order to start pressing the messages of the GOP, and hopefully conservative ones. Fred is more conservative than Steele in a number of ways, and as an actor, is probably far more comfortable in front of the camera (hence why he was putting out ads for no other reason than to make a conservative point). I think he’s a marvelous choice, although Duncan Hunter is a great option as well.
Newt has a little weaker conservative cred, but I think he would still be a great option. Oh shoot, he failed the Rush test, too.
MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Because I doubt he’s interested. But he’s perspective + Jeri’s energy, that’s a dynamic team.
I think Newt sees the government as facilitator of solutions now. To me he’s like the pro-Obama veterans of the military. I just say ‘thanks for your past service’ and move on.
Spirit of 1776 on March 10, 2009 at 4:45 PM
It would take a lot less campaigning. Maybe then he could pull it off.
Yeah, I went there.
MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Yep. There’s something not adding-up here. So many of those who are criticize him from the right happen to be his competitors. Also, I believe his belief in God is a problem for them as well, as it gives him an advantage that they can’t match, and which infuriates them for a variety of reasons. Just speculating, since nothing else logical seems to have been offered for the hate.
JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Huckabee suporters are not social cons. They have no political allegence, only denominational allegence and a fistful of social issues they care about. They’ll vote Blue-Dog Democrat as often as not, simply by the issues.
TMK on March 10, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Damn, that’s funny!!!
Keemo on March 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Heh. He was chosen exactly because they (MS-NBC) knew he’d espouse their viewpoint that Rush is a racist, sexist, evil, white guy and that it would come from a certified “Republican”, thus assuring all of their rabid fans that Rush is on the outside looking in and that anyone agreeing with him (Rush) is by association also a bigot…
Oh, and kick David Frump in the balls. He’s a beta male, he’s probably used to it and won’t even feel it. See, I can dish on the “right” too! /calling my mom to brag
Geministorm on March 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM
So, I’m just trying to understand it. I promise not to attack you or even to comment in any way.
You have inferred from AP’s writing that he is infuriated by Rush, most likely by his belief in God.
Is that correct?
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM
+10
Maura on March 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Those are perfectly accurate descriptions (except ‘usurper’, which needs a court to rule on, though it is pretty clear that that is an accurate description, too). Don’t be scared of speaking the truth. People respect honesty more than mealy-mouthed political correctness. Political correctness and false nicities are what kill us. In case you haven’t noticed, while the GOPers were all trying to be nice to The Precedent, he was out there calling them every name in the book, and he still starts every, single speech with the “8 years of …”. Not only is The Precedent an azz, but he’s also allowed to skate by without mentioning that Dems have been in total control of the purse for more than 2 years, now.
Being nice to nasty people is never a winning tactic. Never. Appeasing the left is as productive as appeasing the arab/persian/muslim enemies.
progressoverpeace on March 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM
OK, that sounds reasonable with an appropriate correction for the tone. My point was: how come Fox News isn’t inviting him? And if they aren’t, what exactly is AP’s complaint?
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:55 PM
From powerline:
The Democrats’ strategy of diverting attention from their failures with attacks on Rush Limbaugh continues. They have been holding a contest among the party faithful; the Democrats intend to erect an anti-Rush billboard “where Rush can’t miss it,” which I assume means near his home or studio in Florida. Today the Democratic Party sent out an email saying that they have received “tens of thousands” of submissions. These are the five finalists:
“Americans didn’t vote for a Rush to failure”
“Hope and change cannot be Rush’d”
“Failure is not an option for America’s future”
“We can fix America, just don’t Rush it”
“Rush: Say yes to America”
Wow. I’d hate to see the other entries.
It’s quite remarkable that the Democratic Party, with guidance from the White House, is running this silly campaign against a private citizen. Can you imagine the Republican Party, on instructions from President Bush, erecting anti-Michael Moore billboards near his home? No, neither can I. Nor can I imagine the outcry from the Democrats had the Bush administration done such a thing.
Keemo on March 10, 2009 at 4:55 PM
A.K.A., “The Meghan McCain School of Politics.” ;)
Kent18 on March 10, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Find me a quote where a Democrat attacked Moore or issued any statement that would distance him from the party itself.
Here was his advice to the Democrats on August 13, 2008. It is a good read for opposition research.
Michael Moore said Obama should denounce him during the election, but Moore never endorsed him. As you pointed out, he kept his mouth shut. However, when there was no election, Moore won an Oscar for Fahrenheit 911. He used that opportunity to blast the President. Democrats all joined Moore in WANTING THE PRESIDENT TO FAIL.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 4:57 PM
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Yes….his belief in God and also that he is quietly very pro-life. IMHO.
Maura on March 10, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Were they giving each other a footjob under the desk?
With all that leg tingling between them, i’d say yes.
roninacreage on March 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM
So conservatives should go out of their way to promote conservatives who trash conservatives just so they can beat MSNBC at its own game? I’m not sure how that makes sense.
Besides, the venue is only added salt. The wounds are the words he’s already chosen that made him the darling of the Left in the first place.
Esthier on March 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM
It’s a matter of projection- they’re Beltway insiders who work with Beltway insiders and have lost touch with what makes voters tick. Most voters aren’t insiders or otherwise obsessed with politics.
These insiders are people who’ve been involved in politics for decades- in some cases a decade too long. They’ve spent most of their adult lives examining policy and political impacts and trying to formulate political strategy. It’s what they do as political wonks.
The way they look at it, the base has nowhere else to go so the trick to winning support is to appeal to “moderates” by distancing themselves from firebrands like Rush and being more open to non-conservative views. It’s like trying to judge a beauty pagent using mathematical statistics.
Over the years we’ve gone from liberal to conservative back to liberal Presidents in the course of an election cycle. This happens not because voters suddenly changed their political outlook, but because they liked one candidate over another. The political bookworms need to remember that.
Hollowpoint on March 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I think McCain’s relentless pandering to the NY Times and constant screwing of the base helped put Obama into the White House. Really, John didn’t need help from anyone to make people hate him.
Physics Geek on March 10, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Okay, you might be right. I won’t categorize.
I did, however, here Huck say that the concerns of social cons had been ignored. He did make it an issue, I presume he was targeting that audience.
Spirit of 1776 on March 10, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I’d love for someone to put up a billboard outside of the DNC headquarters:
Lenin succeeded fabulously. Lenin’s policies were utter failures. Russia suffered through hell for decades.
progressoverpeace on March 10, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I hate typos :) here = hear, naturally
Spirit of 1776 on March 10, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Actually wasn’t thinking of AP. I had Frum and Brooks more in mind. As for the “infuriated” comment, I think some atheists consider those who believe in God to be morons, so it’s galling that Rush “beats” them, and I think some Jewish pundits have a fear of the evangelical type Christians, and how they’d re-make the society if they could. So I speculated, in the absence of any other logical reason I could find for all the recent Rush-hate, that his religious beliefs play a part.
JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Race…of course.
Because dissent is no longer patriotic – its racism, dag-gummit!
bluelightbrigade on March 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Radiofreevillage-
Maura reminds me above that his anti-abortion stance is repugnant to so many NE liberal republicans. I would certainly include that.
JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Thanks for the clarification.
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Mitt Romney had the same effect among the same people.
BigD on March 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Well yes. Interesting comparison. There was always something illogical about the Mitt hate as well.
He was my choice btw, fwiw.
JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Frum’s problem is that he’s screaming “big tent” while wanting to push the people already in the tent out of the tent.
He wants a donut-shaped tent, not a big tent.
It's Vintage, Duh on March 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Leave Allahpundit alone!!
I say that as a big Limbaugh fan.
JimRich on March 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Mitt Romney was hated in NE? Care to look up the results of the 2008 primaries?
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Believe it or not, I’d like to see Newt Gingrich take over as the RNC chair. He stepped aside for Steele. He is bipartisan, yet has stood up to many of the Clinton has-beens before and run a successful coup against them. His comments about Rush actually make it difficult for him to be labeled an obstructionist, but I think he knows when to fight the Dems. I could be wrong, but I think he’d freak the opposition out.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Well you know that and I know that, but a Rush fan might have taken the other interpretation AP. We live in a soundbite culture, you know, and not everyone is a news junkie.
You really should be more careful about how you say things, is all I’m saying. Isn’t that terribly reasonable?
TheUnrepentantGeek on March 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM
More red meat.
Did Frum and Newt cower to the radio entertainer yet?
getalife on March 10, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Have you said your prayers to the incompetent dunce you put in the White House, today? He’s waiting.
progressoverpeace on March 10, 2009 at 5:43 PM
Hail Obama.
JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Gingrich is morally and physically repugnant. He was screwing his secretary (the 3rd and current Mrs. Gingrich) while leading the Clinton’s impeachment hearing.
No Gingrich, no way.
Not to mention his global
warmingcoolingchangestupidity.funky chicken on March 10, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Getalife missed the DJIA trend since November 5. That must be why he’s telling everyone to come on and get happy.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Don’t ever say that, even in jest.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Gingrich will never be the GOP nominee, though. I’d like to see him chair the RNC, and Sarah Palin as the nominee in 2012.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Does anyone else see the double-standard here? OK for Frum to call Matthews and Frum to call Rush a racist and not apologize… in fact wear it as a badge of honor. But it is not OK for Rush to air his opinion? Who is the defender of free speech here? Libs think they corner the market on civil rights and yet the truth is becoming painfully obvious that they are the fascists/Nazis!
Second point. Frum is an infiltrator — a wolf in sheep’s clothing, period. Whatever he says has comedy value and that is about it.
PrincipledPilgrim on March 10, 2009 at 6:03 PM
OK for
Frum to callMatthews and Frum to call Rush a racist and not apologizePrincipledPilgrim on March 10, 2009 at 6:03 PM
They would have him.
Jim Treacher on March 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM
I’m truly surprised Frum did not have his head up Matthew’s ass while speaking. Would make more sense that way.
GarandFan on March 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Frum goes on “Hardball” and gets a cookie and a head pat from Mr Tingly-Leg himself. Phrases regarding 30 pieces of silver and messes of pottage come to mind. Congratulations Mr Frum, on being the latest “conservative” lap dog of the Left.
My mutt was watching with me, and she suggests that if you roll over on your back and give him really cute puppy dog eyes, Matthews might even scratch your belly for you. Good boy!
quikstrike98 on March 10, 2009 at 6:28 PM
BFF David Brock was just added to Frum’s circle.
moxie_neanderthal on March 10, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Really? I know you’re smarter than that!
SouthernGent on March 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM
David Frum has no constituency and no influence. It’s clear that Matthews is merely using for his verbal shadow boxing. This is the kind of stuff that might entertain Kathleen Parker and Chrisopher Buckley, and if so, then Hard Ball has increased its audience by double digits.
David Frum is the media equivalent of an ambulance chaser. Except he’s driving the ambulance.
EMD on March 10, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Allahpundit said:
“That’s not to say Frum shouldn’t criticize — I link him regularly in Headlines precisely because he offers a different point of view — but why he’d choose to do it on “Hardball” of all places, knowing how that’s going to play with the 90 percent who are sending him nasty e-mails, is mystifying to me. I hope the Strange New Respect and centrist votes he’s winning are enough to offset the righties who are tuning him out.”
ALLAHPUNDIT = GIGANTIC FOOL
Frum is a liberal democrat masquerading as a Republican. He wants to see more baby boys and girls violently murdered!! He said so near the end of his discussion with Levin on the radio!!
Frum is in the abortion party (playing nice with Lib Dems like Chris Matthews), not the GOP.
TheMightyQuinn on March 10, 2009 at 6:53 PM
A different point of view? Well, if that is now the criteria for links according to Allahpundit, why not link daily to the NY Times editorial board? Or to Olbermann’s latest rant?
Because the characters above are no different from Frum. Neither is conservative, all love Ogabe and all want conservatism to die.
Norwegian on March 10, 2009 at 6:59 PM
thomasaur on March 10, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Allah seems to be developing a growing dislike of HotAir’s commenters. He is, evidently, embarrassed by many of us troglodytes – even though our logic and forecasting of the future has been much better, and more accurate, than his … or perhaps because of that.
progressoverpeace on March 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Esthier, Amen and Thank You.
Christian Conservative on March 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I wonder if FoxNews will allow me on the air as a representative of progressive socialists so I can ridicule Obama, Nancy and Reid…
FloatingRock on March 10, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Frum has a irrelevant problem. He’s irrelevant and he wants to do something about it. Unfortunately instead of trying to bring the core conservative message to the people who are put off by Rush’s style, he went and made kissy face with the enemy.
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Rush’s race problem; high melanin types marginalizing their own people,(telling them that they can only succeed if they get special treatment. Frederick Douglass must be spinning in his grave.) spouting hate, and lies about low melanin people, and calling them on it is considered racism.
darktood on March 10, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Why is it that anyone who disagrees with Obama has a race problem? Since when does one’s race automatically negate his naivety?
jimmy2shoes on March 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Oh really.
Because reading this site, especially the last two or three months, I find you far more ideologically aligned with the Frums, the Brooks, the Buckleys, etc., of the conservative world, than your compatriot Ed. By FAR.
At this point, I think you’re only about one Air Force One ride away from joining their useful (Republican) idiot parade.
Vyce on March 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM
We all know that the dems and the left never eat their own for being outrageously critical of the right and repubs. They just smile and help kick more dirt… Look at (I almost hate to say it) how they dog piled Bush. Never once do I remember seeing those guys trashing their own because of a public BDS moment. What Frum does not get is that he is the one playing into the dems hands… either that or he is on that side and playing a false flag in pretending otherwise.
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I agree with Rush in this hoping for Obama to fail matter. I know what he said, and I would go even farther, I hope this country suddenly wakes up and demands that Obama and the gang stop this intense left turn. Find legal ways to avoid taxation. Let those dogs know that we will not fund their socialist agenda. In other words, I hope Obama is made to fail by us.
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No one needs to trash an Obama detractor… How does that keep this sudden left turn from continuing? I don’t care what some else says, that’s on them. If someone doesn’t like what Rush or any other person says about Obama, just brush past that when called to support/denounce it, and then make a strong statement that calls Obama to task on something timely and relevant to America’s future. Personally, I will admit if asked that I want the Mess-I-ah to fail… And I’ll state why. It’s my right damn it.
RalphyBoy on March 10, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Allahpundit said:
“but why he’d choose to do it on “Hardball” of all places, knowing how that’s going to play with the 90 percent who are sending him nasty e-mails, is mystifying to me.”
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Follow the money. Hype sells and Rush is being coat tailed here.
RalphyBoy on March 10, 2009 at 8:07 PM
He is looking for a job.
davod on March 10, 2009 at 8:11 PM
For those on the right who still don’t seem to understand what’s going on, and the threat that this country faces, perhaps we need to spoon feed it to them:
I hope this junta fails.
I think they might understand this version.
progressoverpeace on March 10, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Why would it define our platform? Who is using these words? No one ever worries that, say, Keith Olbermann defines the Democrat platform. There are many unwholesome characters on the other side – some of them used to be pals of the current president. What counts are the candidates. Which is why we don´t need tools who help the Democrats to tie our candidates to some manufactured “outrage”, all due respect.
Should we have lied? Obama turns out to be exactly who we said he is.
Have you ever heard of division of labor? The commenters here aren´t running for anything. Limbaugh and Coulter or whoever you´re worried about aren´t running for anything.
Having their surrogates call McCain a senile cancer victim worked beautifully. Put the smears on the web, pretend to be above politics on TV. Division of labor. And what was the plan again?
But I can think it, no? Blog comments don´t decide elections.
Yes, they are too addled to remember that. Half of them didn´t even know who controlled the House in 2008. Besides, the press secretary isn´t the president. And Limbaugh does not deserve to be compared to Moore. Moore was flattered by Dem legislators and given a place of honor at the 2004 convention after praising the terrorists who were murdering our people and thousands of Iraqis at the time. Moore gave shows in Europe where he called Americans dumb in front of thousands of foreigners. What has Limbaugh said that is so damn controversial?
No, Rush appeals to parts of the base. Someone else will have to appeal to swing voters. Like, the candidates?
Meanwhile, nobody has publicly distanced himself from Moore or any other rabblerouser who called McCain a senile cancer victim or published speculations about Palin´s baby. You know why that is? Because the sort of liberals we are talking about have no enemies on the left.
In your example, “distanced” really means that they stopped mentioning Moore. Wouldn´t that suggest that you stop attacking Rush?
I wish I had your problems. Are you sure you know what the term describes? I find it a fitting name for a phenomenon that I had observed long before I even became aware of Limbaugh.
And what have you done today to correct that perception?
el gordo on March 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM
FRUMPY’s got to go
American Elephant on March 10, 2009 at 8:37 PM
And for that matter, what has Frum done to correct these perceptions? Correct, as in “not reinforce”?
el gordo on March 10, 2009 at 8:37 PM
I have to post this so that everyone can see exactly what Geek did here. He essentially used the common argument against Rush (be careful what you say) against him like the media is doing. AP didn’t like it and maybe didn’t see what was happening.
This is what will happen regardless of how we phrase things. Limiting your speech because somebody may deliberately misconstrue it to use against you is not only a foolish thing to do, it is a cowardly thing to do. (Yes, I’m calling people who strictly limit what they say in order to appease their enemies foolish and cowardly. If the shoe fits…)
BTW AP, I do like what you post though I often disagree with you. I hope you have a long healthy career here. Just be careful about taking things too personally.
Pattosensei on March 10, 2009 at 8:38 PM
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