Video: Frum, Matthews wonder if Limbaugh has a “race problem”

posted at 3:40 pm on March 10, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via the ‘Busters. Consider this a belated exclamation point on Ace’s critique from a few days ago. I get that Frum wants to build a “new majority” and that part of his strategy is showing the public a centrist face of Republicanism. What I don’t get is how he plans to do that by alienating the conservative base, which has trouble processing criticism of Rush even when it’s not being used to entertain Captain Leg Thrill, a man with a bit of a “race problem” (and a gender problem?) of his own. That’s not to say Frum shouldn’t criticize — I link him regularly in Headlines precisely because he offers a different point of view — but why he’d choose to do it on “Hardball” of all places, knowing how that’s going to play with the 90 percent who are sending him nasty e-mails, is mystifying to me. I hope the Strange New Respect and centrist votes he’s winning are enough to offset the righties who are tuning him out.


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Frum got nothing for himself or the party he says he is trying to save from this interview except humiliation. Mathews took him to the cleaners, waiting till the end,after kissing his ass with disarming fulsome concern (have you been threatened ?) for his well being, to extract the accusation of racism frum him, the point of the entire interview. Frum was made a complete fool by Mathews. Unfortunately Zell wasn’t around to save him since Frum is a pussy. Neither of these men have morals. Neither is to be trusted. I predict Frum will end up a derelict on 8th Ave and Mathews a salesman for Ginsu.

mytralman on March 10, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Frum had some good points, and I still think he does but bashing the base is irrational and elitist. Something tells me he is going down the Peggy Noonan/Christopher Buckley/David Brooks path. Not a big fan of Rush, but seriously, who does Frum think he is?

Achilles on March 10, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Frum is clearly doing this for publicity, and also to ingratiate himself to the Liberal media. Why else would he go on Matthew’s show? The biggest mistake Republicans have made is constantly trying to be “liked” by their political opponents and by the media. David, buddy that IS NOT going to happen, they are NOT your pals. Sure, they will pat you on the back as long as you are serving their purpose by carrying their water. But, ask Senator McCain, how the media treated him when he stopped being their water carrier!

Sure, David you are their boy now, but when you stop being useful? ………….

Gatordoug on March 10, 2009 at 10:15 PM

“if you have 20 million listeners, you’re a very powerful media figure. if you have 20 million votes, you’re ross perot.”

frum is right.

eh on March 10, 2009 at 10:29 PM

If Frum is in the same studio as Chris Matthews, he’s already conceded the battle.

desertdweller on March 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

If Frum is in the same studio as Chris Matthews, he’s already conceded the battle.

desertdweller on March 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

it looks bad if one assumes that the palinistas are an amenable lot to begin with. they are not – something frum knows better than most at this point. the palinistas should be grateful that frum withheld from airing dirty laundry and copping to receiving the palinistas’ death threats, which we all know he’s received.

i’m not bothered by this because i’m resigned to the idea that this is the fate of conservatives who care about ideas. they are being forced to walk the plank on the s.s. gop already, so they may as well abandon ship, move to the democrat party and try to blue-dog it to the right.

eh on March 11, 2009 at 12:08 AM

eh on March 11, 2009 at 12:08 AM

Such a tortured soul …

progressoverpeace on March 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM

I can’t get hard unless the girl I’m with is in full klingon makeup…

progressoverpeace on March 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM

tmi, bro.

eh on March 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM

eh on March 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Brilliant.

Do me a favor, feel free to call me any names you want or to tear me apart with your rapier wit, but refrain from putting fake quotes up in my name.

progressoverpeace on March 11, 2009 at 2:21 AM

Next stop, McClellanville…

Gohawgs on March 11, 2009 at 2:22 AM

progressoverpeace on March 11, 2009 at 2:21 AM

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Part of BDS… Lying is now a way of life. I blame Clinton…

RalphyBoy on March 11, 2009 at 5:07 AM

“I hope the Strange New Respect and centrist votes he’s winning are enough to offset the righties who are tuning him out.”
AP

Seeing your future there?

SKYFOX on March 11, 2009 at 5:32 AM

Lying is now a way of life. I blame Clinton…

RalphyBoy on March 11, 2009 at 5:07 AM

I would agree. Clinton broke ground in lying with a straight face that left decent, normal people just stunned. And it wasn’t just the lying; Clinton was impervious to shame or humiliation, too. I’m still amazed that he ever showed his face in public, again – even knowing that the guy is a sociopath.

progressoverpeace on March 11, 2009 at 6:03 AM

Chris Matthews may be the most loathsome public individual in the country. Completely self-involved, willing to kiss any ass at anytime at any place to further his pathetic Moyers-like commercial “success.” This piece of human garbage would commit incest if he thought it would advance his career. Truly, despicable.

mr1216 on March 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Let’s hear it for Ron “Porky” Paul. At least HE gets the notion of small government. Frum is a total loss without insurance.

{^_^}

herself on March 11, 2009 at 9:23 AM

i’m not bothered by this because i’m resigned to the idea that this is the fate of conservatives who care about ideas. they are being forced to walk the plank on the s.s. gop already, so they may as well abandon ship, move to the democrat party and try to blue-dog it to the right.

eh on March 11, 2009 at 12:08 AM

I’m still waiting for the maddog Frum “ideas” that come after “don’t sound like a meanie,” “throw social conservatives overboard” and “grow government slower rather than reverse its expansion.” Can you tell me what nuggets Frum has churned out lately worthy of fine jewelry rather than flushing?

L.N. Smithee on March 11, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Next stop, McClellanville…

Gohawgs on March 11, 2009 at 2:22 AM

“McClellanville?” Is that near Tumanland and Colin Corners?

Hope Scotty is enjoying his dirty thirty pieces he’ll be overtaxed on. He’s probably not answering his phone lest he be asked how he feels about the guy he endorsed engaging in his own “permanent campaign.” When alleged genius Rove did that in the Bush WH, it was so, so, troubling to McClellan, he accepted a promotion and became a key cog in the machine.

L.N. Smithee on March 11, 2009 at 10:26 AM

“centrist votes he’s winning”
Surely your joking or was it Shirley?

Patrick49 on March 11, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Please no more Frum ,Brooks or the rest of the wizards of smart.These fools are lost and want nothing more than the rest of the liberal MSN people to love them.

thmcbb on March 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Frum and Matthews,
Nemo gratis mendax.
No man lies freely.

maverick muse on March 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM

I’m not sure what Frum’s problem is, but he clearly has one.

Perhaps he’s having a hard time rationalizing his involvement in the Bush administration, that he still believes in the halfhearted faux-conservatism of Bush 43 and still can’t figure out why he failed.

JEM on March 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM

What a Bum. Isn’t this the guy who said Rush’s “Hope He Fails” controversy was making Rush a tool for the left? I think the giggle face says it all on who’s the tool.

Mark30339 on March 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Frum is irrelevant.

Norwegian on March 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Someone has a man crush

Kini on March 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM

L.N. Smithee on March 11, 2009 at 10:17 AM

That was a hell of a good question there. I note there’s been no response in the several hours since it was posted.

Again — can anyone name a single David Frum policy idea? Let alone a good one?

DrSteve on March 11, 2009 at 1:21 PM

eh on March 11, 2009 at 12:08 AM
“…i’m resigned to the idea that this is the fate of conservatives who care about ideas”

I like some of his policy ideas and I used to like Frum! He is a decent man and he means well. So why doesn´t Frum focus on his ideas, instead of going out of his way to throw stones at other conservatives? If he´s such a moderate, why couldn´t he make his case to them all nice and friendly-like?

To 90 % of all people who have taken notice at all, Frum is now known as the conservative who agrees that conservatives are embarrassing. And that´s it. They don´t know his ideas, only that conservatives are too stoopid to appreciate them.

How did that help? Whom did that help? And why exactly should conservatives not be pissed off?

Don´t forget that Frum couldn´t even stick with McCain, who is supposedly the kind of moderate people like Frum want. The truth is: a guy who panics so easily over the pro-lifers and Limbaugh is unlikely to stick with any conservative position as soon as it´s sufficiently demonized by liberals.

Thanks to his obsession, he´s gone from GOP ideas man to obliging tool of the liberal media.

el gordo on March 11, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Scott McClellan did this too.

He now gets booed where ever he goes now.

No one likes an opportunistic traitor.

Frum is a weasel.

Montana on March 11, 2009 at 1:29 PM

MSNBC has a race, gender and sexual orientation problem. They ABSOLUTELY hate heterosexual white males with a passion. The only ones they hire are the self loathing types.

TrickyDick on March 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM

el gordo on March 11, 2009 at 1:27 PM

It might be because a moderate is someone without a coherent governing political philosophy. They make compromises for comfort and little else.

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 11, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Who cares about this story. No one watches MSNBC anyway!

JeffVader on March 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Frum wonders whether Rush has a race problem? I think Frum should do what Rush does when he has a question–ask Snerdly.

smellthecoffee on March 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Who cares about this story.

Dittos!

rcl on March 12, 2009 at 7:05 AM

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