Ten specious reasons behind ObamaCare
posted at 2:38 pm on March 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Bruce Kesler works methodically to refute the supporting arguments for government-run health care in an extensive post at Maggie’s Farm. Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress will bet that the American voter has moved significantly since 1993-4, when an attempt at outright nationalization put Democrats out of power in Congress for more than a decade. They’re hedging their bets with some misleading arguments, and Bruce shoots them down one by one:
George Bernard Shaw warned “Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.” The major overhaul of American health care pursued by President Obama and his supporters is based on many false premises and is excessive and likely to do more harm than good. Tuning up and improvements already always dynamically occurs. Instead, ObamaCare is aimed at dramatically changing one-sixth of the US economy in ways that are untested or tested and found wanting, primarily involving huge increases in government direction of health care.
The details of ObamaCare are largely being left to Congress, the same body that stuffs the federal budget with earmarks, waste, and other programs that are not requested. ObamaCare is premised on claims for drastic changes in health care and major increases in government programs being necessary. Those claims are largely specious.
Below, the top ten specious premises for ObamaCare are discussed:
1. Comparing US Health Care To Other Developed Countries
2. US Health Care Spending Is More Than We Can Afford
3. Reform Overhaul Will Yield Major Savings
4. Increased Evidence-Based Medicine And Health Information Technology Will Significantly Improve Care and Reduce Costs
5. Present Administrative Costs And Insurer Profits Are Too High
6. US Consumer Dissatisfaction Requires Drastic Health Care Changes
7. Health Care Costs Are So High They Are A Major Cause Of Personal Bankruptcy
8. The Number Of Uninsured Is So Large That Drastic Health Care Changes Are Necessary
9. More Preventive Care Will Better Serve Consumers And Save Costs10. Health Care Consumers Are Being Served By Drastic Health Care Changes
I’ll give you a taste of one of Bruce’s detailed rebuttals:
Typical of misleading statistics, a US advocate of government-run health care touts a report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), comprised of the 30 most developed economies, favoring universal coverage as exists in most of the other OECD countries. The OECD report is actually titled a “working paper” by the three researchers. The encyclopedia defines a “working paper” as “a document created as a basis for discussion rather than as an authoritative text.” This OECD “working paper’s” statistics are misleading.
More accurately, a January 2009 analysis of the data gathered from the OECD points at life expectancy as the single best measure of outcomes. Excluding deaths by injury, to focus on health related outcome, “the US does the best of all the OECD countries” having the longest life expectancy.
Even the OECD “working paper” has to admit that the US’ higher infant mortality rate is misleading: “Even if there were uniform reporting standards of infant mortality across countries, a second limitation to using it as an indicator for health outcomes is the potential effect of certain interventions on the likelihood of a live birth. It is conceivable that additional health care provided in the second or third trimester causes a pregnancy that would almost assuredly be a stillborn to become a pregnancy with an improved chance of a live birth but also an above-average likelihood of dying within the first year. These interventions increase health care expenditures and result in the birth of more low-weight- and very low-weight babies, with significantly greater health problems.” The “working paper” does not address the moral issues or that most such babies go on to productive lives: “43% of children had survived without any impairment. Minor impairment was diagnosed in 39% and major impairment in 18% of assessed children.”
This OECD analysis also corrects per capita health spending to use price parity (comparative purchasing power) instead of oscillating currency exchange rates. The decline of the dollar compared to the Euro in the past decade did not increase the US’ comparative costs per person by 55%. In fact, other OECD countries’ health spending is understated by 56%, and “the US is no longer the highest [spending] country. France and Norway exceed the US in real health care consumption.”
I chose this passage for a reason: cost rationing. Americans spend more on health care than other nations because they demand (and receive) more care. The infant-mortality issue gives us a big clue in that regard. In every state-run system, costs get controlled by care rationing. One need go no further than the VA or Medicare to see this, and the Obama administration wants to limit Medicare even further based on means-testing, generally not a bad principle but certainly the opposite of what they promise with Obamacare.
The question Americans need to ask themselves — and demand from the ObamaCare advocates — is what care they’re willing to surrender to rationing. Research and development? Preemie care? Transplants? Single-payer systems force consumers to forego care in order to save costs, and any Canadian or Brit can confirm that.
Don’t miss the rest of Bruce’s work.
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Since when does infant mortality matter to libs? It’s just a choice, yo. Or is this a question above certain pay grades?
MarkABinVA on March 10, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Investment in electronic medical records will not result in cost savings, Obama’s people have no idea what it is they are talking about.
To go from paper records to a fully integrated, networked, electronic medical record costs millions to design, implement, to train staff, to house and to sustain.
Not to mention, updates, change requests, data storage.
I agree, electronic medical records are a great thing.
But they’re expensive. Paper records are cheaper, at least in the short term. Implementing electronic health records in a hospital or across a health plan is EXTREMELY expensive.
NoDonkey on March 10, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Are you giving him too much credit?
I believe all he did was basically give some lip service to the pink nuts by creating some kind of commission that might look into it for the next year or so.
But who I am to begrudge The One any of his “accomplishments”.
As far as his supporter are concerned, an accomplishment is the mere repetition of a campaign promise.
neuquenguy on March 10, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Any paper that says cross-national and infant mortality.
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM
No, no liberal is saying that killing a born child is a choice. You’re lying.
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Hardly. Try again.
DrSteve on March 10, 2009 at 4:13 PM
..and you still need the paper data as a feed source to enter the electronic data.
Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I loved using electonic records when I worked in the hospital. But yeah implementing them was expensive as all get out. And really not much of a cost savings…..
mjk on March 10, 2009 at 4:16 PM
And when Medicare, Medicaid, insurance companies request records, they get paper copies….
mjk on March 10, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Only in the short-term
LimeyGeek on March 10, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Yes, to migrate the vital legacy data into the new electronic health record, or to refer to for historical data.
Eventually you should get to the point where the health record is paperless, but you still have to maintain the old paper records for many years, unless you’re going to have all of the old data scanned and stored, which is expensive as well.
The bottom line is that the Obama people don’t know what they are talking about. They are a bunch of lawyers and career government workers who have never spent a day actually working in the health care industry. They have no idea what it is they are talking about.
It would be like getting a bunch of doctors in a room in an effort to reform our justice system.
NoDonkey on March 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM
To clarify, you tried to pawn off a grab bag of decomposition studies as what I asked for, namely a presentation of national-level reporting corrected in such a way as to incorporate national differences in standards and expenditures of antenatal care affecting the disposition of conceptions into either miscarriages or births.
DrSteve on March 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Or any other link. There’s hundreds of articles explaining why infant mortality is higher in the US than it is in some other countries. People cite all sorts of reasons, and Ed is the only expert universally known for his vast expertise on Central Asia, planetary sciences, cellular biology and applied statistics among others, who says that it’s because American health care is so good.
To make one final point, what experts on cross-national studies (and by an expert I mean somebody who bought a microphone and started talking out loud about cross-national studies) do by spewing their nonsense is they make sure that the liberals own the issue. Because the problem of lack of insurance and high costs is real, but instead af proposing free market based solutions, the “conservatives” simply ignore the problem. This is how we end up with logical implications of the sort: our health care is not ideal -> let’s nationalize it. Did we provide the public with an alternative idea?
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Not to mention the cost of support contracts, training the tech employees to keep on top of updates, etc.
Also not to mention how after the doctor takes your medical history, plugging away, and right as he gets to the end, the EMR crashes…and he has to do the interview again (happened to my co-worker). It wasted time for both of them.
ladyingray on March 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I’m not interested in arguing science on HotAir. I read the press and I see a scientific consensus.
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM
France has socialized medicine. Their government health-care plan (”Securite Sociale”) pays for most major medical expenses at 100%, but routine doctor visits and pharmaceuticals at 30% to 60%. Many employers offer private insurance (”Mutuelle”) to pick up the slack.
Securite Sociale costs about 10% of a person’s salary, Mutuelle costs a fixed rate per person or family, generally much less than Securite Sociale.
But Securite Sociale does reimburse “thalassotherapie”, where a “patient” spends a week at a luxury resort hotel bathing in heated indoor sea-water and having various forms of mud and algae applied to the skin. You’ve gotta wonder how many elderly cardiac and cancer patients are refused care so younger women can have beautiful skin.
And they like it. Caged
pigsfrogs and all that, ya know.Steve Z on March 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM
So if we just enforced our immigration laws (I know, what a concept!), we’d have millions fewer “uninsured” and we’d also have more jobs available to allow the remaining uninsured Americans (as in actual U.S. citizens) to afford coverage. A win-win proposition. No wonder we can’t get our government to even consider it.
I wonder how many Americans are willing to have lower quality health care for themselves and their families just so we can provide even more “free” health care to millions of illegal aliens?
AZCoyote on March 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Isn’t it, to some extend, an ongoing process? Or will every examining room and hospital room etc, have a computer base to enter data on a daily basis?
Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM
..and your conclusion is that the US has a higher mortality rate than other countries?
Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM
We have no idea what the plan is. How can we even debate it?
AnninCA on March 10, 2009 at 4:48 PM
But it’s interesting to watch. If an increased infant mortality is what the “conservatives” will cite as an accomplishment of a private health care system, then I so look forward to the debate on Socialized Medicine. :(
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Bring it. WHO reporting, which is what is cited by every report I’ve ever read comparing infant mortality rates, is inaccurate. As a previous poster stated. Every nation has different criteria for reporting live births. In the US, a baby that is born at 21 weeks and takes one breath is a live birth. In France or Sweden it is not. Our numbers are higher for that reason and many others. You cannot compare them for that reason though alone!
Read Bernadine Healy, MD, medical contributor to US News & World Report. She has written several articles about this precise issue and she is absolutely against socialized medicine b/c it would eliminate our innovation and cutting edge development of all major medical, pharmaceutical and surgical practices.
JAM on March 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but what the heck do you mean that means testing is generally not a bad idea? Do you believe that people who pay in to the medicare system should be denied the opportunity to benefit from it because they’re wealthy? Tripe!
Careful being generous with other people’s money Ed. That’s the difference between them and us.
Immolate on March 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Yes I want my healthcare “managed” by someone who hangs out with a doctor who earns his living by shoving scissors into the skulls of babies!! Whoo Hooo. Yes I want my health care managed at my bedside by a government employee sitting behind a computer and running late for his coffee break. Yes I want my very own health care managed based on the cost and the particular outcome for me or my family. Yes I want to pay tons and tons of taxes to have managed health care to stand in line, wait 6 months for medical tests and have a doctor who can only spend 2 minutes with me (he will only need to spend 2 minutes with me because there will be an “expert” in Washington at my beside, yes the guy waiting for his coffee break.) Yes we can, but no we shouldn’t. I have a proposal before the government subjects us to this fabulous plan that we all want let them go first. Lets get Obama’s medical records on the internet, Let’s get Ted Kennedy in line at the local clinic for his medical care. Let’s have Nancy Pelosi make an appointment for 6 months from now for her next injection. Lets deny Tom Daschle some pain medication because he is old and needs to get used to being old. Let’s let the folks in Washington try it out first! After all if it is good for them, then it must be good for us too.
kringeesmom on March 10, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Any social program works like that. Otherwise, everyone qualifies.
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM
No, I don’t have a conclusion. I read the conclusion made by others.
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 5:08 PM
This is not true. Peter Singer, Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University, does, and I can’t imagine he’s alone. If you mean no liberal politician is saying that, I suspect you’re right. At least, none I know of is saying it in public.
DrMagnolias on March 10, 2009 at 5:27 PM
radiofreevillage
Here’s the article from Dr. Healy. She lays it all out. Why US infant mortality rates are higher, etct.
next.
JAM on March 10, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Itchee Dryback
radio won’t be back. he/she has been owned on that argument.
JAM on March 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM
So, a matter of five minutes matters? You are lying, sir. I mean, if you care to answer, when does life begin according to you? You sound like a smart guy, probably within your pay grade to be capable answer that.
As far as the US infant mortality rate goes, when did that become the litmus test of quality care? You can have the best health system ever known to man and if prenatal care is bad, well, that’s what you get. What do your studies have to say about that? Last I checked, boozin’, drinkin’ and smokin’ weren’t on my health plan?
MarkABinVA on March 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM
We’ll see.
The same discrepancies apply to longevity rates also. Apples to oranges. I don’t understand why some people are so eager to believe negatives about the U.S.
Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Ok, so reading the article is too hard… I get it.
If that is also too long, I’ll summarize.
Better health care = less miscarriages of low weight babies = more births of preemies with health care problems = higher overall infant mortality rate.
Oh, and that blockquote; was from the OECD working paper… page 11 of the PDF document. So feel free to say that:
Of course it wasn’t Ed, or Bruce that says this, it is the OECD working paper in question that specifies this limitation.
See what reading the actual links gets you? Original source information.
gekkobear on March 10, 2009 at 6:33 PM
We don’t need to debate. We don’t need to examine. We don’t need to study. THIS IS A CRISIS! Every 30 seconds, someone else is FORCED into bankruptcy because of health care costs. EMERGENCY! ACT NOW!
Obama said so. Again.
Pffftttbbbpppp!!!!
GarandFan on March 10, 2009 at 6:34 PM
All those records available on the internet? Wonderful.
Ask Joe the Plumber how secure his personal data was last October.
Guess I’m just paranoid. I mean, no government official would ever access someone’s personal medical history for political gain. Maybe some hacker working out of his mother’s basement, maybe. Or maybe a foreign government. But never a US or state government employee.
coldwarrior on March 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM
It’s not just the hardware and software that’s expensive. I’ve worked with these things and they slow everything down. You wind up seeing patients much more slowly and may even wind up having to reduce the number of patients you see. Many of the software vendors even admit that with their programs you will simply not be able to see as many patients during the day as before. So from the standpoint of lost productivity it’s even more expensive than it appears to be.
The lost productivity may be one reason why the Obama administration likes the idea, as it’s another way of rationing care. But, the main reason they want this is so they can collect data and start rationing care based on what they will essentially decide arbitrarily are cost effective treatments. The government is going to be deciding what medical and surgical treatments they’re going to let you have, and what they won’t. The American people have no idea what they’re in for if they don’t wake up and smell the coffee.
eyedoc on March 10, 2009 at 8:33 PM
ED:
Without reading the report I can say WRT infant mortality:
In some European countries they don’t record the birth immediatly. If the child dies they do not figure in the statistics.
davod on March 10, 2009 at 8:34 PM
True. Many physicians hate the things. The applications are insanely complicated, buggy and it will be years before an electronic health record comes online that will be as easy to use as the paper record.
The Obama administration clearly doesn’t know what the hell it is they are doing. Their simple minds work this way – technology = good. Yes, it is good, but it’s not cheap and the technology has a long way to go before it pays off benefits.
NoDonkey on March 10, 2009 at 9:35 PM
It’s quite clear they don’t know what they are talking about. If they did, they’d be hired by insurance companies as consultants with the assignment of cutting costs. We see the same thing with bailouts of auto companies.
The only question one needs to ask of anybody who claims to know what to do to improve some industry is: show me a job offer. If anybody in Obama’s administration shows me a job offer from Ford or GM, I will at least treat their opinion as that of a reasonably competent person. In the absence of such offer, let the people who know their sh*t (a.k.a. the market) fix it.
radiofreevillage on March 11, 2009 at 1:32 AM
It’s a bad simile. The doctors know what justice is, and often have some experience with the system. the
liarslawyers haven’t looked at a fact without twisting it to favor their side since they became lawyers.darktood on March 11, 2009 at 3:37 AM
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