Great news: Democrats already gearing up for second stimulus; Update: 53% believe U.S. is entering depression

posted at 2:10 pm on March 10, 2009 by Allahpundit

I’m confused. The first stimulus, we were assured, “created or saved” three million jobs. Do we need to create or save those jobs again so soon or will this new bill be creating or saving more?

Prediction: By 2010, The One will have “saved” every job in America.

“We are going to need more taxpayer money,” Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com and a key economic advisor to Congressional Democrats, said after the meeting. “I think another stimulus package is a reasonable assumption because of the way things are going.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), standing with members of her leadership team by Zandi’s side, said she agreed that another stimulus bill is being considered as an option.

“We have to keep the door open,” Pelosi said. “The word of the day is confidence. Confidence in our markets, confidence in lending, confidence in our financial institutions.”

Nothing says confidence like an endless string of multibillion-dollar emergency bailouts. Consider this piece a timely companion to David Smick’s op-ed this morning calculating that banks may need another $2 trillion in TARP before they’re safely solvent again. Presumably that money would be on top of whatever other stimulus is to come, not part of it, so perhaps it’s time for Obama to take Smick’s advice and broadcast the mother of all fireside chats:

I suspect Obama’s advisers would like nothing more than to dismantle an irresponsible firm such as Citigroup. They are afraid to do so, for one reason: All the big banks are connected to a potentially lethal web of paper insurance instruments called credit default swaps. These paper derivatives have become our financial system’s new master…

The Obama team needs to remember that we got into this mess because of a lack of financial transparency. It’s time to tell the American people what the stock market already knows: that the path to recovery will probably be expensive and politically unpopular, perhaps explosively so.

I remember asking months ago after the grumbling about TARP began for someone, anyone, to give us a final pricetag on what it’s going to cost to fix this. Either they don’t know yet or they do know but fear that the amount’s so staggering that there’s no way they can ask for a lump sum lest even that prove to be on the low side and they’re forced to come begging for more. So they’re going to ask for it piecemeal, which is financially prudent but politically very dangerous. If you tell the public “We can fix this with $3 trillion,” you might get it; if you come begging for another $700 billion every six months, not only do you look like you don’t know what you’re doing but you might get cut off before you have all the money you need. Exit question: Which is smarter, demanding a lump sum or proceeding in stages?

Update: Ah, here’s the answer to my opening question now. Turns out Stimulus I is already a partial failure in “creating or saving” 3.5 million jobs, which is why we need Stimulus II. I wonder where that leaves us with the cost-per-job calculation. It was roughly $200,000. Anyone want to try recalculating, or at least guessing what it’ll be after Stimulus II? I’ll say, oh, $500,000.

The report by a group of economists including Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Economy.com, says the recently enacted $787 billion stimulus package will fall far short of the Obama administration’s goal of saving or creating 3.5-million jobs.

Zandi said only 2.5 million jobs will be saved or created over the next two years, and told House Democrats that a second stimulus is needed as well as more money for banking stabilization and housing.

Update: The GOP’s floating a new stimulus plan of their own. It hasn’t a prayer of passing, but you’ll find it more to your liking.

Update: Tell us again about “confidence,” Nancy.

Most Americans (53%) now think the United States is at least somewhat likely to enter a 1930’s-like depression within the next few years…

The latest results are more pessimistic than those found in early January, when 44% said a 1930’s-like depression was likely in the next few years, and 46% disagreed.

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This isn’t news. When you elect a Socialist, it will necessarily follow that every act will be towards the creation of Utopia, on the backs of the People.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

My ass hurts.

lorien1973 on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Go Galt….and let him, and his party, sink like a stone.

Talismen on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Banks first, boyz. Address the financial system first.

AnninCA on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

This next stimulus will create or save 9 million jobs, then the next 81 million, then the next…

You know, just like the 500 million jobs being lost every month.

MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Ah, here’s the answer to my opening question now. Turns out Stimulus I is already a partial failure in “creating or saving” 3.5 million jobs, which is why we need Stimulus II.

Oops. Guess Obama made a little slip up.

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I decided not to shoot you. I guess I saved your life.
Right?

redshirt on March 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM

You know, just like the 500 million jobs being lost every month.

MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

We’ve got to save those 500 million jobs!

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Keep Spending Obama, you’re toasting yourself for 2012 and taking 2010 Congress with you…and best of all, force Specter, Collins and Snowe to either step onto that limb with you or pull back and doom themselves in their re-elections.

Rogue on March 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Is it too early to start talking impeachment?

This guy is incompetent and he’s ruining our Republic.

mngirl on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Dumbo begins to sound like my old Polish housekeeper: “Jeem you are a messy boy. You will leave me more MONEY!”

youngjim on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Allah is full of crap. According to getaclue, the “Bush” depression is over and things are back on track; why on Gaia’s green earth would we need a second stimulus?

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

the Obama administration’s goal of saving or creating 3.5-million jobs.

Zandi said only 2.5 million jobs will be saved or created over the next two years

So now we are debating the value of entirely made up metrics that cannot be realistically analyzed?

It’s a strange new world.

lorien1973 on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

and a third
and a fourth

MarkTheGreat on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

***
It’s like watching a 16 year old going nuts in the mall with his parent’s credit card. More charges will “stimulate” his parent’s bill into good financial health.
***
Why do any more bailouts? Just send everyone in the country (illegal or not) a crisp new $1,000,000. bill. Repeat monthly if things haven’t improved.
***
Hope and Change you can (‘t) believe in.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on March 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM

But that 3.5 million jobs created/saved was obama’s measure of success… say it ain’t so

kerncon on March 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM

P.S. There will be as many “Stimulus” packages as it takes, to destroy the bourgeoisie.

This is class warfare, and nothing less. And it is straight out of Lenin’s playbook.

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

OhEssYouCowboys on March 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Go Bairy! Go!

BHO Jonestown on March 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Allah is full of crap. According to getaclue, the “Bush” depression is over and things are back on track; why on Gaia’s green earth would we need a second stimulus?

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

After Obama saves all our jobs, it’s going to be his task to create new jobs, silly! We need to stimulate the market into creating 500 million new jobs or something like that.

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM

“We have to keep the door open,” Pelosi said. “The word of the day is confidence. Confidence in our markets, confidence in lending, confidence in our financial institutions.”

/Spits

As Karl pointed out back on Feb 16th, there will be no confidence until the government set the rules of play, and gives the market a time table for them. What part of this does madame Pelosi not understand?

“Illiquid Assets” are not an act of the markets, nor are they an accident. They are in fact created by GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE in the marketplace.

In 10 minutes you’ll “get it” – why the government – not the markets – has led to the credit freeze. Why the market cannot clear. And why it is in fact explicitly the things that the government has done and is doing that has led us to have a “credit crunch”, where assets that normally would trade won’t.

Kevin in Washington State on March 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Comrades! Our last glorious attempt to sink the evil capitalist American economy has not been as successful as we had hoped. Now we will change to a new tactic which will devastate the capitalist market! And that’s something you can believe in!

Vic on March 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Which is smarter, demanding a lump sum or proceeding in stages?

I said in October that it may as well be a $7 trillion dollar bailout cuz that’d make it awesome. I may not be far off.

Thus, my policy of suggesting that republicans double up everything Obama wants. Brinksmanship is awesome.

lorien1973 on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Hey hey hey HEY! Keep in mind that it was only a partial failure; 24 one-year cop jobs were saved in Ohio and ACORN has 20,000 new employees.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

The Second Stimulus saves only ONE job – Barack Obama’s.

faraway on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Is it too early to start talking impeachment?

This guy is incompetent and he’s ruining our Republic.

mngirl on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I’m in.

If he isn’t exhibiting gross incompetence, I can’t imagine what gross incompetence would look like.

Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Gee… who’d a thunk it. George Snufalufagus is the first cheerleader for explaining why Stimulus II- Economic Boogaloo is necessary.

Funny how he failed to mention that Stimulus I was a stillborn failure. Huh, wasn’t it about 2 weeks ago that the White House and it’s minions were praising The One for his omnipotence and awe-inspiring leadership in spending a trillion dollars that were guaranteed to “save or create” economic utopia via frisbee golf and trains?

Funny how that didn’t work out. Expiration dates indeed.

Damiano on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Is it too early to start talking impeachment?

This guy is incompetent and he’s ruining our Republic.

mngirl on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

We can’t start until after 2010, and then only IF the american people come to their senses and throw these congressional little Neros out of office.

Marine_Bio on March 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Comrades! Comrades! Please! There will be no Anti-Obama Agitation!

[Article 58, Criminal Laws of the Socialst States of America]

OhEssYouCowboys on March 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM

If it takes trillions more to make all the banks, insurers, and finance companies solvent, you can either do that by giving them money, or rescinding mark to market.

Am not smart enough to know which will have the better outcome in the long-run. My guess is that some large number ought to be allowed to go under. But I suspect Obama will do both eventually. That way he can ensure wealth re-distribution as well as hasten the impoverishment of the taxpayers and their progeny–the proverbial killing two birds with one stone.

JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM

the Obama administration’s goal of saving or creating 3.5-million jobs.

So if 3.5 million Americans are still employed in two years, Obama hits his mark. I’d say it’s 50/50 he does.

Patrick S on March 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Is it too early to start talking impeachment?

mngirl on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

No, it’s not.

MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Can we go ahead and get the reparations thing out of the way also?

faraway on March 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM

The first stimulus went to the illegals.

moonsbreath on March 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Good money after bad. If you are going bankrupt, the solution is not to obtain four more credit cards and run up their balances as well.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Is it too early to start talking impeachment?

This guy is incompetent and he’s ruining our Republic.

mngirl on March 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM

What basis?

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Funny how that didn’t work out. Expiration dates indeed.
Damiano on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Funny in a gallows humor sort of way. What happens when a second stim gets presented to the American people, when they are told that the first trillion didn’t work and now a second or third trillion is necessary?

Tea parties are going to disappear, other sorts of parties are going to take their place, the sort of “parties” that involve riot police, tear gas and rage.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Maybe Stim II will have some money for crop circles…always thought we should look at those…or aroma therapy. Some money for that too.

Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Our president is an insane idiot along with his Democrat sheeple, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

Grafted on March 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Should we keep throwing our money into a giant hole?

lorien1973 on March 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I heard they’re allocating $500 million to “get to the bottom of the whole bigfoot thing”.

Chuck Schick on March 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM

As with any stimulus, in the rare event of needing 4 or more, seek immediate economic help to avoid long-term injury.

faraway on March 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Only amnesty can solve this financial crisis.

JiangxiDad on March 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I agree with Buffett on your question, lorien. Right now, a lot of us are simply confused. We’re not seeing a plan here. Obama is talking about education today, and Gibbs is trying to proclaim that new testing standards are part of the stimulus package. *haha

It’s just gotten to be absurd.

AnninCA on March 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM

The report by a group of economists including Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Economy.com, says the recently enacted $787 billion stimulus package will fall far short of the Obama administration’s goal of saving or creating 3.5-million jobs.
Zandi said only 2.5 million jobs will be saved or created over the next two years

Since they are just making this crap up, why don’t they just pretend they really saved the original number of jobs.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Since there is no tax money to do anything, this second stimulus will of course, like the first, be phantom money from the printing presses. And we all know what that does. There is no free lunch.

keep the change on March 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM

You wonder when she blows. I wouldn’t stand near.

tarpon on March 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM

What basis?

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I’m assuming you’re approaching this as incompetence isn’t an impeachable offense?

Obviously if it were, the Dems would have tried it in 2006 since that was the meme about Bush.

Just give it time.

Marine_Bio on March 10, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Maybe its time for John Kerry to rethink his edict that the American Taxpayer wouldn’t know what to do with his or her money. Send the next stimulous directly to the taxpayers, lets see if we can do any better than Princess Pelosi and CO.

anniekc on March 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Obamanomics: the new Ponzi scheme – but bigger

faraway on March 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM

What basis?

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Gross incompetence.

Endangering national security.

Willfully misrepresenting policy decisions and their potential consequences.

Ruining the image of America by being an effete little metro sexual cupcake.

Being a Communist.

Itchee Dryback on March 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I’m assuming you’re approaching this as incompetence isn’t an impeachable offense?

Obviously if it were, the Dems would have tried it in 2006 since that was the meme about Bush.

Just give it time.

Marine_Bio on March 10, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Ok. We’ll just have to wait.

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM

What basis?

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Community Organizing While Intoxicated With Power.

MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Tea parties are going to disappear, other sorts of parties are going to take their place, the sort of “parties” that involve riot police, tear gas and rage.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I don’t mind, as long as it shuts down the DC borrow and spend machine.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM

In the spirit of Porkulus I, which was passed without being read, I say pass Porkulus II, and then write it.

Christien on March 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM

While the Caliph and his Merry American Economy Cossaks are busy re-raping the Treasury, one of the largest companies in the world, Microsoft is about to lay off Americans while H1-B visa holders needn’t worry:

Jason Mick / DailyTech

March 05, 2009

‘Company says its job cuts are unbiased and will be based on necessity and performance.’ -

After missing its earnings forecasts, Microsoft was forced to make job cuts – 5,000 to be exact – to placate shareholders. The discussion has turned increasingly ugly in past weeks.

First, Sen. Charles Grassley, a senior Republican Senator from Iowa, where Microsoft has a significant presence, wrote the company and suggested that they lay off foreigners before Americans. Then Microsoft revealed that it had paid its fired employees too much severance pay and wanted them to return part of their severance checks. It at last relented after a series of scathing reports in online and print news.

Now Microsoft is back to talking about its job cuts and is taking another controversial stance. It is defying Sen. Grassley’s request and has released a statement to the Senator and the public, informing them that the cuts will be entirely unbiased.

While Microsoft will cut approximately 5 percent of its workforce, it says its number of foreign workers on H1-B visas will remain approximately the same. Microsoft General Counsel Bradford Smith writes, “We do not expect to see a significant change in the proportion of H-1B employees in our workforce following the job reductions. The potential to tap into the world’s best minds has long been essential to our success.”

Sen. Grassley has already gone on record to state his dissatisfaction with Microsoft response. He states, “I’m still left without much information about how Microsoft is ensuring American workers are being protected or specifics of its H-1B visa hiring practices.”

In Mr. Smith’s letter, he says that approximately 15 percent of Microsoft’s workforce consists of H-1B employees – this, and his previous comments seem to indicate that most of the cuts will be coming from Microsoft’s American employees.

Microsoft has long championed the H1-B visa program. It has consistently urged Congress to rethink the H1-B limits and allow more foreign workers into America. It says that its H1-B workers are a key to its success.

While Microsoft is firing some workers, it is also hiring others, so it says the net impact will only be 2,000 to 3,000 fewer jobs.

While Microsoft’s letter certainly provides an enlightening response on the cuts, it falls short of the detailed breakdown of how many H1-B jobs were being cut versus jobs of American citizens, which Sen. Grassley demanded of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. Senator Grassley is the ranking Republican member of the Senate Finance Committee.

© 2009, DailyTech

Well, if Bill & Co. are relying upon Customer Call Centers staffed by people that can’t speak clear, unaccented English they’re doomed.

Is there any question as to why I don’t use Microsoft products?

SeniorD on March 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM

If gun owners would just turn in their firearms, the economy would automatically rebound. Duh.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Maybe we all should change the with holding status on our W2′s by adding a couple of zeros to it. The government has no problem adding zeros why should we? Then next year at tax time we all can use Turbo Tax and little Timmy G. will give everyone a pass.

milwife88 on March 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM

How about if they turn in their bullets?

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM

If gun owners would just turn in their firearms, the economy would automatically rebound. Duh.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I’ll turn in my bullets. Front first.

MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Maybe we all should change the with holding status on our W2’s by adding a couple of zeros to it. The government has no problem adding zeros why should we? Then next year at tax time we all can use Turbo Tax and little Timmy G. will give everyone a pass.

milwife88 on March 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I just jacked up mine, and suggest everyone do the same. There is no law against owing money April 15.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM

I don’t mind, as long as it shuts down the DC borrow and spend machine.
Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM

I don’t mind either, then again I don’t live in a large metro area.

The problem arises when Ogabe and Crew decide not to let another crisis go to waste and enact a few hundred new edicts in response to urban unrest. The 2nd Amendment comes first to mind.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Ugh, I’m so disgusted by this “saved” jobs BS. What is Barry going to say once his socialist policies put us in double digit unemployment? “Sure we lost millions of jobs, but we would have lost 3.5 million more if I hadn’t ‘saved’ them by sacking your great-grandchildren with trillions in debt?”

Where is the anger? When are people going to revolt?

RightWinged on March 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM

“We have to keep the door open,” Pelosi said. “The word of the day is confidence. Confidence in our markets, confidence in lending, confidence in our financial institutions.”

Mmmm-hmmm.

One reason for the fragility in the credit default swap market of late is that markets fear that bank bondholders, who today are protected even before U.S. taxpayers, could soon see their status change. The worry is that if even bondholders are put at risk, U.S. and foreign investors alike would stop financing all corporate America. The administration says that won’t happen, but market participants believe (probably correctly) that this White House can’t control Congress.

DrSteve on March 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Whatever Obama wants
Obama gets
And little man, little Obama wants you
Make up your mind to have no regrets
Recline yourself, resign yourself, you’re through
I always get what I aim for
And your heart’n soul is what I came for

Whatever Obama wants
Obama gets,
Take off your coat
Don’t you know you can’t win?
You’re no exception to the rule,
I’m irresistible, you fool, give in!…Give in!…Give in!

CK MacLeod on March 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto:

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

Obama has already handled 2, 5, 7, and 10.

Need more stimulus to take care of the rest.

faraway on March 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM

This may be the only “revolt” they pay attention to. It is our money after all. :)

milwife88 on March 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

If gun owners would just turn in their firearms, the economy would automatically rebound. Duh.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I, truly, believe that, within 10 years, there will be Federal Gun Confiscation Squads, for the purpose of disarming law-abiding citizens. What happened after Katrina IS the future.

Socialism abhors an armed populous.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

How about if they turn in their bullets?
Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Sorry, no; guns kill people and they need to be confiscated. After that the nation rebounds and one million jobs per month will be created. Don’t you understand simple economics?

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Pelosi said. “The word of the day is confidence.

Great. A Sesame Street comment from one of the very idiots that is causing the lack of confidence.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM

They are just a one trick pony. Or is this a case of “If at first you don’t succeed try, try and try again.”
Of course you eventually have to come face to face with the definition of insanity. It is doing something the same way every time and expecting a different outcome.
Today must be cliche day. Sheesh

Just A Grunt on March 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I just jacked up mine, and suggest everyone do the same. There is no law against owing money April 15.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM

BTW, I didn’t add multiple zeros, but I did adjust so that they are not working off my money interest free. If hundreds of thousands did that, a shock wave would hit DC.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Tea parties are going to disappear, other sorts of parties are going to take their place, the sort of “parties” that involve riot police, tear gas and rage.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Gun show just north of Boston last weekend, ONE vendor did over $250K in ammunition sales in just two days. Its coming.

Viper1 on March 10, 2009 at 2:41 PM

How about if they turn in their bullets?

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I’ll turn in my bullets. Front first.

MadisonConservative on March 10, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Great minds….

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Should we keep throwing our money into a giant hole?

lorien1973 on March 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Thank me.

Weight of Glory on March 10, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Should we keep throwing our money into a giant hole?

lorien1973 on March 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM

If you love America, you throw money in its hole!

Christien on March 10, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Wow, the Dow is up 294 because Citi posted a profit. It’s trading a just about $1.40/share and everyone’s invited to another Obama cocktail party at the WH.
$1.40??? it used to trade in the $40 range. My 409(k) is still in the tank. Obambots need to wake up. BTW: a “surge in the markets” are expected to happen on the 12th as Barny the “Spending Queen” Frank (thanks Rush!) introduces a repeal of the mark-to-market rule, which will artifically inflate assests held by banks. So if the Obamabots start celebrating remind them it was the dems that put that rule in place in the fist place. I’m off to bed, need to go to work tonight. Have a great day all.

ChicagoBlues on March 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

The Second Stimulus saves only ONE job – Barack Obama’s.

faraway on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Says you.

New Obama slogan: “I can’t be overdrawn…I still have checks left!”

Snowed In on March 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

calculating that banks may need another $2 trillion in TARP before they’re safely solvent again

Using this approach… as banks become solvent, taxpayers will become INSOLVENT.

dominigan on March 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Gun show just north of Boston last weekend, ONE vendor did over $250K in ammunition sales in just two days. Its coming.
Viper1 on March 10, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Word.

I reload and am having trouble finding .45 ACP brass; the bullets are no problem but the new brass is scarce. My local Cabela’s is low on just about everything in their firearms department.

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

everyone’s invited to another Obama cocktail party at the WH.

Well, duh, tomorrow’s Wednesday!

Snowed In on March 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Weight of Glory,

GMTA! Just to be safe, America needs two money holes.

Christien on March 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Ok, answer me this. The first porkulus bill was signed less than a month ago, correct? And we all know that most of the spending doesn’t even occur until 2010 and beyond. So wouldn’t they want to wait and see if Porkulus I is effective before even discussing Porkulus II: The Next Day? What’s next? Porkulus’ Revenge?

And then there’s the more practical question. Where the hell is all this money coming from?! I don’t know if anyone’s seen that rant by Alan Keyes on Youtube, but the dude is right. We don’t have this money! If the Dems keep this up, soon the dollar will be worth less than what we wipe our asses with. Hmm, maybe Sheryl Crow can use that instead.

Doughboy on March 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM

This sh*t has got to stop.

Besides, I am all out of KY.

-Dave

Dave R. on March 10, 2009 at 2:56 PM

What basis?

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Take the last “stimulus” bill, combine with all Congressmen and the President who voted it through… and examine each expense for whether its allowed or disallowed under the Constitution.

Since all Congressmen and the President swear an oath of office to uphold the Constitution. Couldn’t they be impeached for violating their oath of office? Just a thought…

dominigan on March 10, 2009 at 2:57 PM

GMTA! Just to be safe, America needs two money holes.

Christien on March 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Heh. Indeed.

Weight of Glory on March 10, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’m thinking if they just give me, say, 5 million dollars, I can stimulate the economy in my own, creative way.

pullingmyhairout on March 10, 2009 at 2:58 PM

So, the Donkey’s position is to “stay the course”… *sigh*. So much hypocrisy, so little time.

Neo-con Artist on March 10, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Collins, Snowe and Specter are standing ready to vote.

patrick neid on March 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Oops. Guess Obama made a little slip up.

darii on March 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM

“No, no. An aide made a mistake in answering the questionnaire. I mean, you misunderstand what I said. I’ve been entirely consistent on this question. Let me make one thing absolutely clear…”

- President Teleprompter
on just about any issue you can name

landshark on March 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM

The “saved jobs” metric is so bizarre. May as well just say “I saved 200 million jobs!!1!” How can you possibly measure what didn’t happen?

Lehosh on March 10, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Hey,didn’t the stimulus package create 25 police officer jobs in Ohio or something?

Caper29 on March 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Great news: Democrats already gearing up for second stimulus

I see him standing in the rain
Raindrops falling on him
He doesn’t even seem to care
He stands there and smiles as if just at me

And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Money everywhere

I love the Money Man
Oh, I don´t know just why
His Hope and Change simply catches my eye
I love the Money Man
He seems so generous and kind
He sweeps thoughts of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ into my mind

I know I have to say bravo
(bravo, bravo)
He smiles over at me
It’s as if he takes me by the hand
And we walk
To break the bank alone

And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Money everywhere

MB4 on March 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM

I’ll soon take all my troubles over to Obama Rue
You know The One with the never ending Hope and Change shtick
He’s got a pad down on Pennsylvania avenue
He’ll be passin’ out little bottles of Obama Potion Number Nine

I’ll tell him that I’m having trouble with my mortgage payments
It’s gotten even worse in these last few weeks
He’ll kiss me on the cheek and he’ll made a magic sign
He’ll say “What you need is Obama Potion Number Nine”

He’ll turn around and gave me a wink
He’ll say “I’m gonna have my Michelle make it up right here in the White House sink”
It’ll smell like Chicago, it’ll look like socialist ink
I’ll hold my nose, I’ll close my eyes, I’ll take a drink

I won’t know if it is day or night
I’ll start grabbin’ everyone else’s money that is in sight
But when there’s nothin’ left to grab
It’ll break my little bottle of Obama Potion Number Nine

MB4 on March 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Hey,didn’t the stimulus package create 25 police officer jobs in Ohio or something?

Caper29 on March 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Yep….for a year anyway. Then Ohio needs to come up with the funds to keep them employed.

Doughboy on March 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I, truly, believe that, within 10 years, there will be Federal Gun Confiscation Squads

The life-expectancy of Federal Gun Confiscation Agents will plummet.

LimeyGeek on March 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Boy Emperor Obama and General Wrong-way Geithner are doing a financial version replay of WWI. In WWI millions of troops were sent into a meat grinder and killed with little, if any, advancement in battlefield position achieved. Now Boy Emperor Obama and General Wrong-way Geithner are sending trillions of dollars into a Bailout Pork Grinder with little, if any, advancement in the economy being made.

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.
- Karl Marx

Get ready for your children and grandchildren, in what is left of America, to be indentured coolies to the Chinese.

MB4 on March 10, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Bishop on March 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Try Arms&Ammo.com. Last I looked they still had brass, powder and primers. Midway is on backorder for everything.

a capella on March 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM

In WWI millions of troops were sent into a meat grinder and killed with little, if any, advancement in battlefield position achieved

Or to quote Blackadder – “we’ve moved no further than an asthmatic ant with some heavy shopping”

LimeyGeek on March 10, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Gee… who’d a thunk it. George Snufalufagus is the first cheerleader for explaining why Stimulus II- Economic Boogaloo is necessary.

Damiano on March 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM

I would recommend getting off roman numerals, it is going to get pretty confusing for the common folk. Porkulous #498 is easier to understand than Porkulous CDXCVIII

neuquenguy on March 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM

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