9/11 Gitmo squad: Yes, we really did it
posted at 11:46 am on March 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Just in case anyone had any doubt, the Gitmo detainees held on charges relating to 9/11 want everyone to know that the US made no mistake in keeping them locked up for the last seven years. In fact, not only have they confessed to their involvement during CIA questioning, they have just issued a press release bragging about it:
The five detainees at Guantánamo Bay charged with planning the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the United States naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.
The document, which may be released publicly on Tuesday, uses the Arabic term for a consultative assembly in describing the five men as the “9/11 Shura Council,” and it says their actions were an offering to God, according to excerpts of the document that were read to a reporter by a government official who was not authorized to discuss it publicly. …
In their filing, the men describe the planning of the Sept. 11 attacks and the killing of Americans as a model of Islamic action, and say the American government’s accusations cause them no shame, according to the excerpts read by the government official.
“To us,” the official continued reading, “they are not accusations. To us they are a badge of honor, which we carry with honor.”
The New York Times does not identify all five, but do include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, and Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi. KSM insists that he masterminded the attacks, which fits exactly what his confession stated; Osama bin Laden had the overall idea, and KSM organized it into action.
Some wonder whether the government could win a criminal court case against KSM and bin al-Shibh after their waterboarding, which non-military courts would see as coercion, if not torture. This removes all of the remaining suspense, doesn’t it? Freely given statements in custody are certainly admissible in any US court. That admission alone would be enough to find them guilty of 3,000 counts of murder, terrorism, and conspiracy. In war, that gets a death penalty, which is exactly what they want.
The Times offers this analysis:
Several of the men have earlier said in military commission proceedings at Guantánamo that they planned the 2001 attacks and that they sought martyrdom. The strategic goal of the five men in making the new filing, which reached the military court on March 5, was not clear.
Of course it’s clear. They’re tired of being stuck at Gitmo and want to get martyred. We can either accommodate their request or find a way to lock them up for life, and frankly, I’m not sure which is more appealing. We should stop dancing around it and make a decision one way or the other, and soon.
Update: Comment of the day, from PimFortuynsGhost: “Man, Alex Jones is going to be pi$$ed.”
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Let each of them die from trichinosis and tell the world the cause of death.
Johan Klaus on March 10, 2009 at 1:45 PM
I am certain that Obama will release them, since they really didn’t do any harm to his home country Africa.
workingforpigs on March 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM
If Obama will drop the charges against someone that would plan bombing and killing 19 american serviceman, I am sure that he won’t care that they killed 3000 civilians that were employed. Now if they bombed homeless voters that would possibly re-elect this boob, then he would take action.
workingforpigs on March 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
It’s amazing what a bunch of perverts will confess to. May hell embrace them as soon as possible.
OhEssYouCowboys on March 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM
This may well be the stupidest thing ever posted here.
Supporting the Death Penalty, as both a punishment to deter others, a permanent protection against recidivism and as a societal reinforcement of of moral imperatives has nothing to do with torture; the forcible extraction of information. Torture is not lethal, nor is intended to be. Nor do we execute murders slowly and painfully. In fact, we go out of our way to not inflict pain!
Liberals ride in the little bus.
GunRunner on March 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I don’t understand all this anger directed at Ron Jeremy. Sure, he sucked his own pipe in one movie, but that was 25 years ago.
keep the change on March 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM
I don’t understand all this anger directed at Ron Jeremy. Sure, he sucked his own pipe in one movie, but that was 25 years ago.keep the change on March 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Oh my…hhat was it George Carlin used to say in one of his skits…”if I could reach I’d never leave the house…”
Liberty or Death on March 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Damn, preview is your friend…aaarrgggh!
Liberty or Death on March 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM
This reminds me of the Onion skit where a truther and an Al Queda representative were arguing over who was behind 9/11. AQ doesn’t want its thunder stolen.
Grafted on March 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
I’m sure the left would howl about my statement and others may condemn my idea as barbaric and that’s their judgement, but then again I have a very viceral response when I think of what these animals did to 3,000 of my INNOCENT fellow Americans!
To this day it is difficult for me to watch the videos of 9-11, in particular the victims that leapt to their death to avoid being incinerated…I cannot fathom the horrors they endured, therefore it is my sincere hope that the animals responsible for 9-11 will be shown NO QUARTER!
Liberty or Death on March 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM
If he was on fire, he would not be pi$$ed on by me. That is not a one-man conspiracy; that is my solemn vow.
Sergeant Tim on March 10, 2009 at 2:52 PM
For another, by your rationale, if you support the death penalty, there’s no reason to oppose any form of torture whatsoever. I suspect most conservatives oppose at least some forms of torture, so that argument does not fly.
You are an idiot! The death penalty and ‘torture’ are not the same thing. How’d you get so stupid????
MooreMom on March 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM
You do know that many Gitmo detainees were not found on a battlefield, correct?
My point is simple: how do we know we got the right guys? I’m not talking about the 5 that just confessed – I’m speaking of the hundreds of others.
Dont you realize how preposterous that is? To truly think that anyone on the left is pro-terrorist?
Being against torture or against indefinite detention without trial is not to support terrorists or terrorism. It’s to abhor the idea that we are detaining or punishing innocents.
Right now, due to the Padilla and al-Marri cases, there is nothing in the law which prevents the feds from plucking YOU out from your bed in the middle of the night, claiming that you’re an enemy combatant, and putting you in a hole with no access to lawyers. They can keep you there as long as they like and treat you pretty much how they please.
Are you happy with the fact that the Obama administration has this power? I’m not.
orange on March 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM
You should have read my post more carefully. I was using the rationale of the poster I was quoting. As you find that rationale to be “stupid”, you apparently agree with me.
orange on March 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Absolutely false. I opposed the unConstitutional means that the Bush admin used, and I continue to oppose them now that the Obama admin is using them.
Read Glenn Greenwald’s blog. He doesnt let Obama off the hook. He praises some things that Obama has done to reverse Bush admin policies, but criticizes many more that Obama has continued.
orange on March 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM
orange on March 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Gleen or Rick Ellensburg? I get confused.
PimFortuynsGhost on March 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM
9/11 WAS AN OUTSIDE JOB!
Glenn Jericho on March 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM
As you well know, a trumped up story against conservatives, is much more palatable to liberals then facts.
Why use facts when you have a theory…
right2bright on March 10, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I say make them wear a good old capitalist t-shirt like this one in black.
right2bright on March 10, 2009 at 4:17 PM
OBL? Where are you? hmmm sure can get lost in those hills eh?
johnnyU on March 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM
We should smear them with pork fat, set them on fire, and shove them off the top of the Empire State Building.
fleiter on March 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM
They have to be executed. If they stay in jail for ten years or more, some lib judge from San Francisco or elsewhere will find a way to release them and grant them asylum in the USA. Or they will be given radio host dj positions on NPR or some other libtard network to spew their poisons.
eaglewingz08 on March 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I realize this was long winded but I wanted to be sure to answer your questions as best I could.
No I don’t know and don’t give a rats azz if they were or were not found on the battlefield. If someone in our military thought capturing them was the right thing to do and they determined the person posed a current or future threat then who am I to second guess them, I wasn’t there and my life wasn’t on the line. I also have the utmost faith in our military men and women to what they believe to be right in order to win the war and protect themselves; it is you that is questioning their motives and judgment here, not me.
See above comment.
No I do not believe my comment as preposterous in the least, while I may have painted all on the left with a broad brush there have been numerous examples post 9-11 of the pacifist left bending over backwards to apologize to jihadists for the actions our nation has taken in its defense against their murdering fascist ideology that came to rear its ugly head on 9-11!
I could spend the next three days listing all of the vile and ridiculous rhetoric the left has spewed over the last 8 years that proves beyond a doubt many on the left are terrorist apologist that blame “Imperialist America” for 9-11 instead of placing the blame where it belongs, squarely on the shoulders of fascist Islam, however if you’re an honest person orange then there is no need for me to compile such a list as you already know the rhetoric I speak of, and if you don’t well then as Tokyo Rosie would say, Google it!
I never said it was, however if you think about what you are asking our government to do it is directly/indirectly playing into the hands of the terrorists. Our military already conducts itself in a manner that is above and beyond what is required of them in regard to the treatment and prosecution of illegal enemy combatants, they (the terrorists) are afforded much more in the way of rights than any of our soldiers would ever get from them.
Also, terrorists don’t respect the rule of law, especially not our laws, they only respect their religious edicts (laws) found in the Quran and if you’ve done even a little research into the edicts of the Quran you should have come to the realization of what Islam is all about by now, if not then you’re not comprehending what you are reading.
Islam is a fascist religious/political ideology of intolerance, intolerance of other religions, other lifestyles (homosexuality just to name one lifestyle) intolerance of the many freedoms we take for granted and freedoms in general, and they are all about the subjugation of everyone under their strict and draconian Sharia ideology, basically the complete antithesis of what our nation was founded upon.
Yep, I’m happy with the fact, if it saves even one American life and prevents another 9-11 or worse then I’m all for it. Look up Maslow’s hierarchy of needs orange, while it’s good to be vigilant in protecting our constitutional rights our constitution is not a suicide pact, survival needs come first! If we have to temporarily curb some of our liberties (although I haven’t seen any major change in my liberties since 9-11) in order for our republic to survive then so be it, after all if our republic is lost then what good is our constitution? Well?
I’ve been hearing this same rhetoric from the left since 9-11 and the truth is I’m not concerned in the least. First I’m a citizen of the United States, I’m not a terrorist, enemy of the state, nor an illegal enemy combatant having taken up arms against the US on a foreign battlefield while not wearing a uniform or fighting under the flag of a recognized nation.
Another reason I’m not concerned, you may recall Johnny Walker Linde was captured in Afghanistan while taking up arms against the US, even though he too was not wearing a uniform or fighting under a recognized flag and thus would have clearly fallen under the status of an “illegal enemy combatant” yet he was never a victim of the above rendition as you described above, but in fact he was given his US habeas corpus rights (because he’s an American citizen) and was therefore afforded a trial by his peers in a US criminal court, this fact alone makes your argument moot.
In addition I have not experienced nor have I ever even heard rumor of the government boogey-men in black snatching any American citizen and holding them indefinitely without the US right of Habeas Corpus, so again I fail to see what your concern is, in fact I beleive this lefty concern is nothing but a red-herring to distract from the fact the left are terrorist apologist.
Bottom line is illegal enemy combatants that are not US citizens (as John Walker was) are not and should never be afforded US Habeas Corpus rights, period. Now if the jihadists want to start wearing uniforms and fight under the flag of a recognized nation well then they should by all means be afforded their rights under the Geneva Convention and I’m sure our government will comply.
But as long as they don’t then they are illegal enemy combatants and will be treated as such. To provide them with US Habeas Corpus rights essentially ties our military’s hands behind its back making it less nimble, limiting its ability to obtain critical information, places our soldiers in the field at greater risk and overall is a detriment to prosecuting this war in order to win and save American lives and possibly saving our republic. Hell, the Geneva Convention doesn’t even require normal POW’s to be read their rights (e.g., Miranda rights) as is required under US Habeas Corpus, and doing so while at war and on a battlefield is absurd, ridiculous, and directly/indirectly does play into the hands of terrorists!
Any other questions?
Liberty or Death on March 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I’m not interested in revenge. Just justice and preventative medicine.
Find out every thing that the Quran describes as loathsome and apply it to these men and then broadcast it to the world.
Let the world see that Allah does not reward their actions.
shick on March 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
I’m not sure I follow could you expand on your ideas a bit more?
:)
shick on March 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM
LOL…I know it was very long winded but orange asked some questions and made certain comments about an earlier comment I made so I felt it important to educate orange on some facts, basic logic, and common sense, all things most on the left have none of especially when it comes to the WOT and fascist Islam in general.
Liberty or Death on March 10, 2009 at 6:46 PM
lets get joe millon hairs the best lawyer in the world libs. i know some of you pathetic sorry people think he was justified in what he doine well that my stupid friend is
garbage they murdered over 3000 people i am shure there are tens of thousands of good americans who would love to step on these things like a bug i will not call them people there not .the bible says at the end of time they would kill you thinking they are doing the will of god.lets not kill them let somebody push them out of a plane ,any volunteers.
wade underhile on March 10, 2009 at 7:19 PM
It’s comments like this that make me wonder why I bother posting comments here. It’s very rare that I get any actual substantive debate, yet it’s common for people to call me names. I dont really care if you want to call me names, but I find that it gets in the way of intelligent discourse.
orange on March 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Option 1) Line them up and use 1 bullet per, from behind, in random order…
Option 2) Place them in a steel framed structure, superheat the steel, watch as the steel melts and the structure falls under it’s own weight, pour bacon grease on the remaining ashes, film it and give a copy to Rosie…
Option 3) Dress them up as women (not a 1st for many of them), give them some bread, then let the Saudi’s order up 40 lashes…
Gohawgs on March 10, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Barry will continue to defend the guilty, every criminal and murderer has a job on his watch.
lasertex on March 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Exactly.
Just keep repeating the same thing over and over and over, and with the help of the MSM, many people consider it the truth.
The “Bush Lied” liberal drivel is a good example.
Almost every major democrat said the same things about Saddam before Bush was President and even up until they voted for the Iraq war.
Every investigation has cleared Bush of this bogus charge and the democrats have had the power to impeach since 2006,but have done nothing.
Yet this pathetic accusation is still shouted as “fact” by the “smart ones”.
“Why use facts when you have a theory” sums liberals up pretty well.
Baxter Greene on March 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM
A liberal posting a few condemnations of Obama in no way shape or form compares to the constant barrage of bigoted hate from the left in the form of protests in the streets,anti- Bush movies being made,entertainers on a regular basis bashing Bush for his policies,and democrats on the hill accusing Bush of war crimes and of destroying our
Constitution.
Liberals have more than shown that their faux outrage and selective moralization is nothing but a political tool,not a stand for right and wrong.
Still waiting for the anti-war rallies condemning the Chicken hawk Obama for war crimes.
Baxter Greene on March 11, 2009 at 12:09 AM
I don’t seem to remember Tim McVeigh sitting around waiting to be executed for this long.
Cylor on March 11, 2009 at 12:31 AM
My thoughts exactly.
***NEVER EVER FORGET September 11, 2001***
Last is First on March 11, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Umm, how long did it take before there were marches in the street condemning Bush? 2-3 years? Yet you want people marching against Obama after less than 2 months.
You previously said “Nothing but compliance and support coming from liberals about this now that the occupant in the White House has a (D) beside his name.”
Then I showed you that you were wrong – that there are liberals who criticize Obama when he follows the Bush lead. So then you move the goalposts.
orange on March 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM
First of all orange I was not addressing you in that post, I was responding to schik’s comment here:
Nice deflection move orange, instead of debating my responses to your questions you throw out the “name calling” card. My comment you quoted was not directed at you but was in response to shick’s comment, yet you still feel as though I “called you names” which I never did. I did however comment that I was attempting to educate you and provide you with some perspective, common sense, and logic when it comes to the WOT (or a better example would be the war on fascist Islam) as you and many on the left have demonstrated many times over the last 8 years you are lacking the common sense and logic to see the situation (the war against fascist Islam) for what it is, a fight for our very freedoms and way of life and not what the left “feels” it’s about like “no war for oil” or “no imperialism” or “no war for Halliburton” and all of the many other memes the left constantly throws around. If that is “calling you names” well then I stand guilty as accused.
You claim you rarely get substantive debate and that name calling gets in the way of intelligent debate, I agree and that is why I do my best to refrain from personal attacks (calling names) when debating someone, this is why your comment confuses me as I see nowhere in my responses to your questions where I called you a name.
Instead what you did was a classic deflect move in order to avoid actually debating the answers I provided to your questions and that is very telling to me. It tells me you have no factual, logical or common sense rebuttal to my well thought out, factual, logic filled, and common sense responses to your questions and so the only move you had left was to deflect from debating the actual topic by accusing me of calling you names, something I challenge you to point out exactly where I called YOU a name in any of my comments.
So orange if it’s truly substantive debate and intelligent discourse you desire you may want to start by refuting my answers with facts, logic, and common sense instead of resorting to deflection.
I await your response.
Liberty or Death on March 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM
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