The obligatory “Rush rips Newt for calling him irrational” post
posted at 6:55 pm on March 9, 2009 by Allahpundit
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When even a guy famous for screaming says it’s time to calm down, it’s probably time to calm down. The boss assured me this morning, though, that people are still interested in the “I hope he fails” debate and the boss is (almost) always right, so here’s the obligatory link to Rush accusing Newt of criticizing him on yesterday’s “Meet the Press” (albeit not by name) because, and I quote, “I am at the top of the mountain of what I do. Everybody underneath it wants what I’ve got… I know that Newt would give his whatever to have what I’ve got.” A taste:
I’m surprised by nothing when I’m dealing with people in the media who think they’re in politics. No, as has always been the case, Anna Lee, the strength and the courage, the energy that I get is from my audience. I wrote a book once, and one of the chapters is “My Success is Not Determined by Who Wins Elections,” ’cause they come and go. They are fly-by-night operators, and most of them stand for nothing until they see a poll about what the American people want, and then they go out and try to say one way or another what the American people want while trying to falsely hold onto an ideology at the same time — and you can’t count on them. You can’t depend on them. They will sell you out; they will throw you overboard to save themselves, faster than anything. And they’ll use you on their way up as often as they can at the same time.
He took an oblique shot at Newt (also not by name) at CPAC too. Watch the clip of Gingrich on MTP insisting that it’s “irrational” to hope Obama fails but okay to hope he changes his mind on policy; opinions differ as to whether that’s what Rush meant all along. And with that, I’ll join Ace and Patterico in the “enough already” camp and let you have at it.
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I know that and Newt is not in that camp. I have written dozens of blog posts about why AGW has nothing to do with the environment but is solely about a command and control fascist takeover.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM
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jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Goat,
I’ve read you enough to know you don’t believe it.(AGW)
But newt does…
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 10:39 PM
For newt to go on TV…spewing this garbage…no matter how he tries to color it…he’s still…pick a color.
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 10:41 PM
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 10:39 PM
All Newt is saying is that IF it were real these are conservative solutions. He knows the science is far from settled but what’s wrong with promoting cleaner technology as long as it helps and not hurts the economy, that is what I get from Newt’s position.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Spartan Ace captured the essence of today’s Gingrich in this title.
Feedie on March 9, 2009 at 10:47 PM
That stance is AGW lite…newt not you…
Truth is the REAL science indicates almost the exact op…
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Newt’s simply past his sell-by date. Kind of an elderly Frum, in fact.
I think the rot set in when he left elected office and was suddenly powerless. Then Hannity came along and gave his shoes a tongue-bath (”you’re a great American, Mr Speaker, let not your heart be troubled”) and that old-time thirst for attention bit him again.
Sometimes you have to know when the old fastball has lost its zip and hang up the glove and uniform. It’s been that time for Newt for a while.
MrScribbler on March 9, 2009 at 10:51 PM
I am just very tired of seeing one of our best thinkers and ideas guys, Newt, being smeared with positions he has not taken. I get his newsletters and participate in American Solutions when I can. Newt is a very smart guy and I am sure he keeps abreast of the data coming from the actual scientific community on climate studies. Does he support AGW alarmists? NO. Does he support a cleaner environment? YES. I have no problem with that as a conservative outdoorsman.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM
It’s a shame to see what power does to people. Newt deserves a lot of credit for ridding Congress of decades of one-party Democrat rule.
Feedie on March 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM
What about Republicans who aren’t big C conservatives. You know, the Libertarians, Reaganites, Defense hawks, Paulnuts etc who are of on the right but simply not interested in the Christianized Communism that people in the the Hot Air Comments seem to think is in someway compatible with living in a Republic.
The same people who supported Huckabee (a communist from same church as Jimmy Carter) and wouldn’t vote for Romney because “he’s not a real Christian” are telling everyone else to fall in line and pleasure Rush Limbaugh to shore up our righty credentials.
Sorry guys but if being a Conservative means squealing girlishly when ever Rush Limbaugh launches into a boiler plate monologue about “the elites” and their evil ways that could just as easily be written by Joss Whedon then I’d rather be a liberal.
When did the idea of Reagan’s coalition change from a big tent of patriots who loved America and sought to defend our country and capitalism from the rising tide of leftism to a circular firing squad made up of Internet trolls, talk radio groupies and David Frum? When did supposedly liberty loving individualists start demanding ideological purity?
I know a lot of gay people and don’t think letting them get married is a big deal. But that suddenly makes me little more than the Hugo Chavez of South Carolina despite the fact that the majority of you have cribbed your stance on gays in a Republic not from the Bible but directly from communism and mirrors Chevez’s own policies.
Allahpundit, Patterico and everyone else that disagrees with you have just as much legitimate claim to the GOP as anyone else and it’s time we realized that the idea of a big tent means bring people together that may have many ideological differences but who will do the right thing and not sit out the next election.
You know, like so many Conservatives did which is why Obama was elected…
Rob Taylor on March 9, 2009 at 11:02 PM
I had a charter a few years back down here in SE Fla where there was no place for the deep cold water to go but up, to the surface, and those divers had nothing on but skin…on a lighter note the ladys looked good…they were cold…
the resident expert,a greenie, could only explain it as some kind of inverion and the cold water was forced to the surface…in less than a 100 ft of water. AND…this has happened numerious times since…the greenie is nowhere to be found…granted, this is anecdotal, but it sure has a lot of the locals scracing their collective heads…
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:02 PM
I wish Newt realized feeding this beast was stupid
karasoth on March 9, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Nor do I …I love aquagreen water…and do what I can to preserve it… and that goes way beyond my livelihood…
I know in my heart that this science is bogus and it’s all about controlling our lives…
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:08 PM
One of these guys like Newt needs to give Rush’s side when saying they don’t want the President to fail. It is bothering even with a man like Gingrich that they can’t add the disclaimer…”But wanting Obama to fail along with the country is not the same as wanting him and his policies to change the country to a more socialist model which is what Rush said and repeated”
Letting the lie go unchallanged is the real crime these politicians are making. They make it appear that they agree that is what he said and that is kowtowing to the Democrat lie.
Rush really may be the last man standing.
Conan on March 9, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Conan,
agreed.
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM
I know in my heart that this science is bogus and it’s all about controlling our lives…
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:08 PM
I have been saying that very thing fro several years now, AGW is not about the environment its about controlling the masses in a fascistic way.
On a side note, where in Florida are you? Do you run fishing or diving charters? I am headed back to the SE in a few weeks and might be interested.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I respect Rush, I USED to respect Newt.
Newt has gone off the reservation and there is no coming back.
There comes a time when you draw a line in the sand and say, “No further”. Conservative ideals have been “compromised” in the name of “bi-partisanship” which means one thing and one thing only. Liberal/socialist policies were merely delayed. And now we see the fruition of that “bi-partisanship”.
Beating a dead horse here but, John McCain is as “moderate” as they come and he had his ass handed to him. And before anyone jumps on Sarah Palin, McCain got MORE votes from conservatives because of her. Or would all of you “big tenters” have been happier with Joe Lieberman? Don’t bother answering that, I really don’t care.
Obama wants socialism and I want Obama to fail. The democratic party wants to “redefine” America in their image and I want the democratic party to fail. I want them to fail each and every time they try to twist this country into some Euro-style Utopia. I want them to fail each and every time they attempt to by-pass the Constitution. I want them to fail every single time they attempt to destroy the ideals that this country was founded on.
I make no apologies for it….I WANT them to fail….forever….and ever.
Talon on March 9, 2009 at 11:20 PM
So the way it works it you cry about being treated unfairly in a fair debate and we all crawl to your position?
BTW What position would that be? What from the buffet would you like to take and leave please notify the rest of us.
I used to be selfish and think that there needed to be a party that perfectly agrees with me and then I realized that would be a bunch of parties with about 5% of the vote a piece like in Europe if we all did that.
Here is how it really works.
The left defines a platform. The right defines a platform. You decide which party has more of your values and you vote.
All that you would accomplish by redefining the Republican party with a non-Conservative base is a base of about 5 -15% trying to get to 50%. Sound sensible to you? It isn’t exactly great math and 3rd party candidates have proven it is a loser. Conservatives are the base of the Republicans and Liberals are the base of the Democrat party and it goes from there. You don’t see the Socialist Obama apologizing that people have to get behind the far left do you? They all have to get on board and that is that.
Conan on March 9, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Talon on March 9, 2009 at 11:20 PM
+100, hear hear!
goat on March 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Goat,
I run a few different sailboats…
If you want to do some fishing I can hook you up.
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Newt is right.
Rationally.
getalife on March 9, 2009 at 11:32 PM
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM
I have your email addy still and will stay in touch here or there. I will go with both snorkeling and fishing.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Newt and his R boys lost credibilty and control of Congress by not being conservative when they had the power.
Plus, he thinks the theory of Man-Made
Global WarmingClimate Change is something worth crippling our economic future over.I hope Obama’s follies fail.
Rationally.
Newt is yesterday’s gecko.
profitsbeard on March 9, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Goat,
Send me your itinerary…I’ll see what I can do…No charge for the help…;)
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:40 PM
The obligatory “Why does Allahpundit say ‘the obligatory’ so often” comment.
Kevin M on March 9, 2009 at 11:44 PM
That would be how it worked if we we playing World of Warcraft and the Right was the Alliance. But in reality “Conan” their are a more than two political stances on any issue just as there are more than two parties.
Not to enrage you mighty Cimmerian warrior but Libertarians, for example, have a very different view of what would constitute good National Defense then Rush, me or maybe you but that doesn’t mean they aren’t right leaning and it certainly doesn’t mean they lean left as their ideas of National defense are in no way similar to the Democrats.
So in your world, one full of both dualistic political clarity and wolf pelt loincloths, where should the Libertarians go?
Rob Taylor on March 9, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Jerry I am moving back to the SE from Ca. and it will be a while before I can plan a pleasure trip but I hope the free advice and help stands, thanks!
goat on March 9, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Yes…no problem…Just did a little bit of a move myself…it sucks…take care, need my sleep…
at my age…well.
jerrytbg on March 9, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Newt is yesterday. Rush is now.
docdave on March 10, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Who is tomorrow?
Upstater85 on March 10, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Eric Canter, Paul Ryan and a few others.
goat on March 10, 2009 at 12:48 AM
So, now Christians are communist?
Johan Klaus on March 10, 2009 at 12:50 AM
The early church did live in communities that we might now call communes; however, I there is an argument to be made that Christians should favor a small, non-compassionate government.
Upstater85 on March 10, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Not bad. Has anyone heard of Hankins in Southern Indiana? He’s young, but seems passionate.
Upstater85 on March 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM
You believe in fairy tales too?
Johan Klaus on March 10, 2009 at 12:55 AM
Johan Klaus on March 10, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Rob Taylor on March 10, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Oops. Screwed up the block quote. You know what I meant.
Rob Taylor on March 10, 2009 at 1:05 AM
Newt? Isn’t he the guy sitting on the couch with Hilary Clinton agreeing with her policies? Didn’t I see a chummy commercial with him and Mrs. Clinton? Newt seems more friendly with the left than he does with the right.
aigle on March 10, 2009 at 1:11 AM
You chose the words. You criticized conservatives. If you want to be a liberal, have at it. Or, you could start another party.
Johan Klaus on March 10, 2009 at 1:17 AM
They (Newt, Steele, etc.) still believe that being nice is going to win over those who mistrust the GOP/Conservatives and who want Gov’t handouts.
Wrong.
The problem is that the Dem Party Lite attracts few followers. The GOP has no fix for the economy other than for it to heal thyself. Folks don’t want to hear that. They’ve had it drummed into their heads that FDR, Reagan and Clinton all ‘fixed’ the economy so they actually think the government can fix it now.
Hard to fight against a myth because it doesn’t exist in the first place.
I’d hate to be a conservative GOP candidate. Your Dem opponent will list program after program and offer fixes for the economy.
I’d sit there and say, “Uh, well, I don’t have any programs in mind. In fact, there’s many that need to go because they don’t work. No, this isn’t a state-run economy so the state therefore can’t ‘fix’ it.”
So it’s easy to see why the Dems are so successful in this day and age.
Dr. ZhivBlago on March 10, 2009 at 1:28 AM
What he criticized was the big C conservatives, a group who ironically are not defined by conservatism, but instead by the self esteem one gets from being on the in group and an in group out group dynamic. Actual conservatism, meaning conservative ideologies and not a bunch of people who get around and love patting themselves on the back for being conservative while purging anyone who suggests that maybe you’re supporting a bad idea, has nothing to do with your damn little group.
Actual conservatives are concerned with advancing small government policies. Actual conservatives are concerned with returning the market to the center of our economy. Actual conservatives are about advancing a strong national defense. And the way you can tell the big C Conservatives aren’t actual conservative is that they’re perpetually willing to throw the advancement of those principles under the bus in the name of feeling special. If you can feel more ideologically pure than someone, you don’t give a damn about the impact it has on whether or not conservative principles are being helped, hindered, or destroyed.
If the big C Conservatives were actually conservatives they’d be looking for way to expand the movement, say “Hey, if we don’t agree on stem cell research, whatever, as long as we agree on the core principles and can work together in their advancement” or say “Hey, if we don’t agree on gays, or we don’t agree on abortion, or we don’t agree on whatever, but since we have no shortage of things that we agree on and can work together on, as we’re joined by these core principles, what joins us is far more important than what divides us.”
But instead with the big C Conservatives you get the goddamn Chinese Communist Party under Mao, if you disagree with the leader than you’re ideologically impure and you must be purged.
So I’ll tell you what, have fun at your little circle jerk, and we’ll go off and actually advance conservatism. Fair enough?
galenrox on March 10, 2009 at 1:33 AM
Newt had his jump-the-shark moment when he consented to be filmed on a couch with Pelosi.
You defeat the enemy, not get in bed with them.
gdonovan on March 10, 2009 at 4:38 AM
You defeat the enemy, not get in bed with them.
gdonovan
Hmmm,.. Newt and Pelosi in bed together. Excuse me while I wretch.
SKYFOX on March 10, 2009 at 6:09 AM
Newt is far from being a conservative. A Republican yes but not a conservative. Rush did the right thing by calling him out. Newt is a charlatan. Another lib sell-out just like Gov. Mark Sanfrord from SC.
Rush did the right thing by calling him out. Newt is a charlatan. Another lib sell-out just like Gov. Mark Sanfrord from SC and his Gramnesty Lindsey “goober” Grahm.
Newt was the guy leading the charge to impeach BJ Clinton and at the same time having an affair lest we forget (hypocrisy of the greatest order), that is why he resigned from the house.
Newt blows in the wind just like a wind sock, not knowing which way to go next because he has no foundation other then some political aspiration of being President which, lets not kid ourselves, he won’t pass the smell test come primary season. I can’t figure out for the life of me why people give this idiot the time of day.
Thank God for people like Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin to call these Repub-lo-tards out for the people they truly are.
0321_GUY on March 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM
Enough already? It’s just getting interesting. Obama went mano-a-mano with Sarah Palin. Who was Sarah compared to by the Dems? Certainly not Biden! When they put up the lists of college honors, they used Obama’s. So we had the spectacle of Obama’s cred being compared not with his opponent but with his opponent’s second — and not because Obama’s cred would withstand comparison with his opponent’s, either.
Now Obama goes after Rush Limbaugh, who’s never run for elected office, and who is part of the Press Establishment — albeit part of the part which is antagonistic to Obama.
It’s like the big bully on the beach kicking sand in the face of the little guy reading a comic book, on the back of which is an ad for Charles Atlas.
If he does it enough times, what’s going to happen?
unclesmrgol on March 10, 2009 at 8:56 AM
If you got them together in the same room, they would end up with a consensus.
Newt doesn’t want someone to fail, just to fail, and Rush doesn’t want someones failed policy to work.
They are just both approaching it differently, but they both want the same thing…different actions from the White House.
Now let’s let this be the last time “the boss” demands this to be a thread…
right2bright on March 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Good news.
Dow up 275.
It worked.
getalife on March 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM
It is a more likely event that Barry will fail than he will change his shallow mind. Who is being more rationa;?
Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Citi turns profit for Jan. and Feb.
Crisis over.
Newt and your three mavericks are in good shape.
The rest of the gop not so much.
getalife on March 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Even if they constituted the majority of posters here, which I don’t believe is the case, why give more than a passing, contemptuous thought to the negative, fault-finding commenters? Unless you are using some Jedi or perhaps atheistically-based mind control techniques to get people to click on your topic headlines that I am presently unaware of, would Patterico chastise me for saying that those who take the time to bitch about what you choose to write about are deranged, to some degree at least?
I know I am sharing the sentiment of many others when I tell you that I greatly appreciate your blogging efforts, and that for the sake of your emotional stability, you should ignore those who don’t. :)
Bizarro No. 1 on March 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM
The President saved a bush depression.
He is on his way to greatness.
How about a little respect for our President instead of wanting him to fail?
getalife on March 10, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Tell that to Crisis King Ogabe!
And I’m afraid the economy’s “crisis” isn’t over quite yet.
Newt’s not in office and those “3 mavericks” are in deep doo-doo with the Conservative GOP base.
McSpecter’s already facing opposition for reelection.
You let us worry about the GOP and you take carry of the DemocRats who are certainly covering themselves with glory as they hold the WH, and their majorities in the Senate and Congress!
Jenfidel on March 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Nope. Never. It won’t happen.
Jenfidel on March 10, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Buy, buy, buy!
getalife on March 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Totally irrational and even insane position. Whatever Al Gore does, you MUST run AS FAR AS YOU CAN from him. Like, for example, I saw him once eat soup with a spoon. Needless to say, spoons are now outlawed in my house.
Same with global warming. There’s numerous articles and presentation that say that global warming is real. Very few actual scientists make a conclusion that because the problem is real, that implies that whatever the left suggests as a possible solution is automatically valid.
Now, could we do this? Accept the scientific consensus on the problem, and yet reject political games and pork handouts to left wing organizations that do nothing to solve it? Like, yes, institutionalized racism is a real thing. No, affirmative action doesn’t solve it. Yes, global warming is real but no, destroying American economy doesn’t solve it. Could we say that?
The answer is: OF COURSE, NOT. That would make us whimps in the eyes of fat people on the radio. And if we have at least one clearly defined goal, it is to please them.
Anyway, is it just me or are the gays particularly black racist?
radiofreevillage on March 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM
With no respect at all to you or your wet eared arrogant little boy President, get bent. You guys on the left spent 8 years wanting GWB to fail in fighting a war against terrorists; and now we’re supposed to line up and wish success on William Ayer’s bff? I don’t think so. Obama isn’t on his way to greatness. The media will say it, even as the nation burns around it; you’ll believe because you worship the arrogant little shite, but all he’s going to do is try to turn this country into a clone of Europe. That’s not greatness. That’s mediocrity. It’s a 2 party system; you opposed Bush because apparently you liked Islamic terrorist more than him. Well, we oppose Obama. And it wasn’t a depression he inherited from President Bush; he’s turning it into one because him and that feckless band of a**clowns in Congress aren’t doing anything about it.
The Libertarians will probably follow whoever makes weed legal. As long as they can smoke a garbage bag a day, they don’t care who’s in power.
austinnelly on March 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM
There was no “Bush depression.”
What the markets are reacting to is the future and the prospect of what Obama’s programs and policies will do the economy which is clearly disastrous, unprofitable and punitive to those businesses, companies and individuals that are successful.
Jenfidel on March 10, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Never ever want your country to fail.
You will lose.
getalife on March 10, 2009 at 12:43 PM
That Citi story is total BS. They turned a profit before write-downs. That is like saying I earned $20 bucks today but I lost $2000 betting on the ponies. That entire story was a smoke and mirrors dance, a Perception Management tactic used to boost their dismal stock price that is all it was. It does not change the fact that their debt far outweighs their “profit” and their debt will continue to outweigh their “profit” for years to come.
0321_GUY on March 10, 2009 at 12:45 PM
We don’t want our country to fail, it’s Ogabe’s policies we want to fail because they would cause the country to fail.
Jenfidel on March 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Jenfidel on March 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM
His policies are working to save a bush depression.
Your candidate has emerged for 12.
It is Newt.
getalife on March 10, 2009 at 12:54 PM
His policies are creating the Obama depression!
It has nothing to do with Bush.
You wish!
Newt’s a loser.
My candidate and that of a lot of other people is Gov. Sarah Palin!
Jenfidel on March 10, 2009 at 1:08 PM
lol
If this was a serious assessment by you based on the limited time 0bamessiah’s been in office, I’d say that you would make a excellent candidate for a guest on a new “Kids Say the Darndest Things”, once hosted by Art Linkletter.
Let’s say that 0bamessiah’s attempts at reviving the economy work. Would you honestly tell those who believe that success shouldn’t be defined just by end results but also by the methods chosen to reach certain ends, and who also believe that 0bamassiah’s economic plan is immoral and/or unethical, that they should wish for his success even if they believe how he defines success is wrong and/or bad?
Do you understand that what you and people like you are espousing is that everyone should get on board the S.S. 0bama, whether or not it goes against their own principles to do so? No, you don’t understand this, and I will tell you that’s related to you being a Leftie…
Bizarro No. 1 on March 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM
It is Bushitler or Bush-Hitler or something else? I can never get that straight.
TheUnrepentantGeek on March 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM
No I think your missing the conspiratorial connection. The Obama White House called Newt to tell him to bash on Rush. It’s all part of Operation Rushbo and tomorrow the world will end… simple…
PresidenToor on March 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Not my president, I still have not seen documents proving he is an American citizen.
Dissent is patriotic right?
I’d state I’d want him to fail but it is already clear in less than 50 days he already has.
gdonovan on March 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Oh come on..enough already. Rush this, Rush that blah blah blah.
Terrye on March 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM
I nominate Elephant Pegleg for leader of the new Big Tent GOP.
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Because Mavericks win elections. /sarc
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM
I hope that’s true for Obama in 2012.
“For the first time in my adult life, I’m proud of my country.” Michelle Obama
chunderroad on March 10, 2009 at 5:48 PM
When Newt came up with his American Solutions, I told folks that he will try to use it to run for President. When he adopted Global Warming alarmism, I knew it! Lost all credibility with me. Hope he doesn’t get back into “public service.”
Christian Conservative on March 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM
I am as confused as the next guy about this whole dustup Allah, Ace, and, apparently, Patterico have taken against Rush Limbaugh, and fellow conservatives.
I wrote the following over at Ace’s place:
I pose the same question to you, Allah. What is your beef? I don’t get it.
Frankly, and I hope I am wrong, it looks like you, and the other more libertarian members of the team, are getting steamed at the conservative members of your blogs for being, uh, conservative.
Libertarians have their own view of things – I agree with some, but disagree with most of libertarianism – and have their own party. We come here to discuss conservative beliefs, ideas, and politics with other conservatives. We don’t come here to have our conservatism blasted by libertarians who don’t appreciate conservative values, like marriage, morality, and the protection of innocent life.
We don’t besmirch your libertarian leanings, don’t besmirch our conservatism.
I think that is what is going on here.
Joe Pyne on March 10, 2009 at 8:53 PM
I go much, much further than Rush on this. Wanting policies to fail doesn’t stop the damage they do and, often, doesn’t stop further policies along the same lines from being implemented. All of Lenin’s policies were total failures, yet Lenin succeeded in spite of those policy failures. What Russia needed was for Lenin, himself, to fail – which didn’t happen. Russia had to suffer through decades of pure hell because of Lenin’s success, even in the face of the total failure of his policies.
The idiot messiah must fail – not his policies, but HIM – and he must fail so miserably that he is run out of town (if not thrown in jail) and anyone associated with him, or his politics, is never taken seriously again. That is what is needed.
Frankly, I don’t see why some people on the squishy right are having such a problem understanding this very simple point.
progressoverpeace on March 10, 2009 at 9:29 PM
I think you make a valid historical point, although I would suggest politically and culturally early 20th century Russia, and early 21st century America are vastly different.
“Squishy right”? I would say Allah, and a few others, are more centrist, or left-leaning, libertarian. They see more a problem with Rush, and probably you and me, than Obama.
Joe Pyne on March 10, 2009 at 10:41 PM
There is no doubt that we are not nearly the same culture as Russia was. We have never been. But, we still ended up with a marxist in the White House and a Congress that is more than willing to do anything he wants, so, functionally – in terms of our vulnerability – we are in the same spot.
Mostly, I was just trying to put the idea of the man failing versus his policies failing into, what I consider to be, proper perspective. Failed policies don’t insure that they will be stopped (as the French found out as their revolution proceeded). I understand that Rush only meant that he wanted the idiot messiah to fail in his socialist policies (or implementing them) but I think that the real issue goes far deeper.
Sadly, I must agree with you on this, though I would put Allah a touch more to the right.
progressoverpeace on March 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Opinions don’t differ. The scuzzy left knows exactly what Rush meant… I want Obambi to fail as well. I wanted him to fail in getting elected because he’s a socialist-come-communist, and what he wants for this country is nothing at all related to what I want for this country. Why is the World should I change my mind about Bambi and his goals simply because he is now in a position to carry them out? For goodness sake! All the more reason to hope that he fails.
The dishonesty that so many are engaging in is to equate Bambi’s goals with what’s good for the country, thus conflating his failure with the nation’s failure. His failure is the nation’s success – because what he wants in no good for any of us.
seanrobins on March 11, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Folks … the Newt Gingrich of the 80’s, the GOP firebrand who fought WITH FIRE against the Democrats – using virtually every tactic in the books to crush his enemies and culminate a historic victory in ‘94 …
Well that Newt is long since dead.
What we have now is a guy who sits on a couch with Nancy Pelosi and talks about the evils of Global Warming … and now this.
The fight is gone from the soldier. The gas needle is on empty here.
HondaV65 on March 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM
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